Post by: Spuddieselwwu on December 03, 2014, 01:49:34 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 03, 2014, 01:51:59 PM
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on December 03, 2014, 01:55:31 PM
Friday?
I wonder if they'll be running stings this weekend.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 03, 2014, 02:01:31 PM
Post by: 300rum on December 03, 2014, 02:06:36 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 03, 2014, 02:17:07 PM
I doubt anyone will get busted that wouldn't have been busted before, selling to a felon where the gun was used in a felony (as an example).
This was never about getting criminals. All you need is an angry ex-wife with a cell phone to take pictures and movies with or a pissed fired employee who witnessed a "transfer" in the shop after today. This law will be used and abused in order to disqualify as many people from their 2A rights as possible. The people who wrote this bill did so intentionally in a vague way to snare as many people as possible. The fewer the number of people with gun rights, the closer they are to their goal of an end to personal gun ownership.
Post by: Bofire on December 03, 2014, 02:32:07 PM
Carl
Post by: Bob33 on December 03, 2014, 02:37:29 PM
Post by: Crunchy on December 03, 2014, 02:37:36 PM
I doubt there is a line of cops waiting to be the first to make this type of arrest.
Post by: bobcat on December 03, 2014, 02:41:18 PM
Especially the cops in the bigger cities, and I have no doubt they would love nothing more than to be the first to bust someone for selling a gun without going through the background check process.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 03, 2014, 02:46:12 PM
Post by: Crunchy on December 03, 2014, 03:01:31 PM
To bust someone for a misdemeanor?
I know a lot of cops, and not one has even mentioned anything that would indicate they are excited about busting someone for transferring a gun to someone else without a background check.
Post by: spikehunter on December 03, 2014, 03:19:33 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 03, 2014, 05:47:50 PM
Some people just have their tinfoil hat on a little tight. :chuckle:It's not the cops. It's the people reporting the "crime". We know that anti gunners have already called the police on people who open carry to report false crimes. Once the police have a complaint, they have no choice but to investigate.
I doubt there is a line of cops waiting to be the first to make this type of arrest.
Post by: Song Dog on December 03, 2014, 05:55:27 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 03, 2014, 05:57:27 PM
Post by: Bofire on December 03, 2014, 05:59:23 PM
If they are lucky they will trace original sale, keep tracking until they find a scape goat. I am sure it will be several years before anything happens.
'Unless the burnt girl friend turns in the boy friend who beat her up for buying a gun from her exhusband" :dunno: OR "maybe the ugly divorce with threats because her brother gave her a gun because her boy friend was a junky, that beat her."
There is nothing good to come from the law :(
Carl
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 03, 2014, 06:13:36 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 03, 2014, 06:17:56 PM
Been a cop for 27 years decided to retire and will be leaving this State so I don't become an outlaw by accident.I appreciate your service but in due time we all will be outlaws :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on December 04, 2014, 12:29:13 PM
We will do this legally, we must meet on an idian reservation to avoid legal issues since i594 passed. Cabelas or Tulalip Casino parking lots only. FTF only. No shipping. No Canadians. Washington residence ONLY.
Post by: boneaddict on December 04, 2014, 12:31:21 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 04, 2014, 12:35:42 PM
How is 594 enforced on tribal land? I just saw this on an Armslist ad:
We will do this legally, we must meet on an idian reservation to avoid legal issues since i594 passed. Cabelas or Tulalip Casino parking lots only. FTF only. No shipping. No Canadians. Washington residence ONLY.
Ironic that Indian Reservations are viewed as the last vestige of liberty.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 04, 2014, 12:44:47 PM
How is 594 enforced on tribal land? I just saw this on an Armslist ad:
We will do this legally, we must meet on an idian reservation to avoid legal issues since i594 passed. Cabelas or Tulalip Casino parking lots only. FTF only. No shipping. No Canadians. Washington residence ONLY.
As I understand it, reservations are sovereign Native territory but are subject to some Federal laws, as well as Indian laws, not state law. Ceded lands are State land and therefor subject to state law. However, a WA resident buying a firearm outside the state, like on a reservation, must run it through an FFL to be within the law to bring it back into the state. If the person selling it to him is a WA resident, he is guilty of a gross misdemeanor if he doesn't go through the FFL to perform a background to transfer the weapon, regardless of where the transfer takes place.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 04, 2014, 12:47:24 PM
Isn't it--well except for the alcohol thing. And they also are the only group that actually owns property--not renting from a government with 'property taxes'. I've been trying to convince some guys that they should open gun stores, host gun shows, have a full auto rental shooting range and a brothel.How is 594 enforced on tribal land? I just saw this on an Armslist ad:
We will do this legally, we must meet on an idian reservation to avoid legal issues since i594 passed. Cabelas or Tulalip Casino parking lots only. FTF only. No shipping. No Canadians. Washington residence ONLY.
Ironic that Indian Reservations are viewed as the last vestige of liberty.
Post by: bigtex on December 04, 2014, 01:08:40 PM
If I, a non-tribal member, go to the Muckleshoot rez and sell my gun to Billy Bob the non-tribal member without a background check, then I am just as guilty as if I did it in downtown Seattle.
It's kind of simple. Non-tribal member on rez is subject to state law, and in some cases federal law.
Post by: MLHSN on December 04, 2014, 01:09:24 PM
Post by: bigtex on December 04, 2014, 01:11:08 PM
What exactly is the penalty for selling without FFL transfer?First time is a gross misdemeanor. If you have a prior conviction for the offense, then a Class C Felony.
Post by: Bean Counter on December 04, 2014, 01:18:29 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 04, 2014, 01:25:48 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 04, 2014, 01:28:09 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 04, 2014, 01:35:23 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 04, 2014, 07:09:18 PM
Hope this link works:
http://www.khq.com/clip/10918711/new-gun-background-checks-in-effect (http://www.khq.com/clip/10918711/new-gun-background-checks-in-effect)
Sounds like some vendors are canceling the table.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 05, 2014, 05:28:03 AM
Post by: addicted2hunting on December 06, 2014, 06:03:28 PM
Been a cop for 27 years decided to retire and will be leaving this State so I don't become an outlaw by accident.I appreciate your service but in due time we all will be outlaws :dunno: :chuckle:
Our founding fathers were outlaws... committed treason to be exact...I think its starting to look a lot like it was then don't you? lets just see how far it goes and who really believes in freedom.
Post by: luvmystang67 on December 08, 2014, 10:21:52 AM
I feel like not...
Post by: Bob33 on December 08, 2014, 10:24:40 AM
So, If I'm at a gunshow, am I technically able to handle the weapon prior to passing the background check and purchasing it?Not legally, unless one of the exemptions is met.
I feel like not...
Post by: bobcat on December 08, 2014, 10:28:12 AM
Post by: Bob33 on December 08, 2014, 10:33:32 AM
I guess they'll need to do background checks on everyone as soon as they walk in the door. Otherwise, what's the point in going to a gun show if you aren't allowed to pick up and handle different firearms?I'm not sure that would satisfy i-594, which requires a separate background check for each and every transfer.
Post by: bobcat on December 08, 2014, 10:36:32 AM
I guess they'll need to do background checks on everyone as soon as they walk in the door. Otherwise, what's the point in going to a gun show if you aren't allowed to pick up and handle different firearms?I'm not sure that would satisfy i-594, which requires a separate background check for each and every transfer.
Yes, you are right. Every time you want to look at a gun, it will require another background check. :bash:
Post by: luvmystang67 on December 08, 2014, 10:41:22 AM
Post by: Curly on December 08, 2014, 10:45:00 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 08, 2014, 10:48:08 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 08, 2014, 10:48:33 AM
So, If I'm at a gunshow, am I technically able to handle the weapon prior to passing the background check and purchasing it?
I feel like not...
If the transferor/sellor is an FFL, yes. Otherwise, you technically need another exemption.