Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 07, 2014, 03:10:22 AM
Post by: Jellymon on December 07, 2014, 03:17:46 AM
Apples grow.
One guy plants corn to attract deer and places his stand where he expects deer to go eat the corn.
Another guy puts out apples and places his stand where he expects deer to eat the apples.
Whats the difference?
I dont bait deer, but i dont care if someone else does it. Keep taking away little things and you end up with nothing.
Post by: grundy53 on December 07, 2014, 04:52:00 AM
I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.You obviously don't know much about baiting.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 07, 2014, 05:34:34 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 07:27:56 AM
:yeah: Quite obviously
x2
Post by: teanawayslayer on December 07, 2014, 07:32:46 AM
Post by: Hunting7mm on December 07, 2014, 07:37:47 AM
You have to place the seeds on the ground for anything to grow. :chuckle:
Apples grow.
One guy plants corn to attract deer and places his stand where he expects deer to go eat the corn.
Another guy puts out apples and places his stand where he expects deer to eat the apples.
Whats the difference?
I dont bait deer, but i dont care if someone else does it. Keep taking away little things and you end up with nothing.
:yeah:
Post by: Rob Allen on December 07, 2014, 08:22:15 AM
that said i am also opposed to new laws we have plenty already. someone said if it ain't broken don't fix it..
Is anything broken?
Post by: benhuntin on December 07, 2014, 08:24:43 AM
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Post by: 1bugman on December 07, 2014, 08:28:08 AM
:bash:
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 08:28:47 AM
I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards. Anything more than that is not hunting. It's just shooting and there's no skill involved in that.
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 08:29:21 AM
Hunters are their own worst enemy.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
:yeah:
Post by: JBar on December 07, 2014, 08:30:02 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 08:30:23 AM
I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards.
And I want a law that says no archery shots over 30 yards.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 07, 2014, 08:31:17 AM
Post by: steeleywhopper on December 07, 2014, 08:33:56 AM
Hunters are their own worst enemy.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Post by: pips4bucks on December 07, 2014, 08:38:04 AM
I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
What are you going to tell the handicapped kid who really wants to shoot a deer, or the old guy who can't hike the hills anymore, or the dad taking his young kids out? It could be you in years to come.
WDFW encourages baiting in problem areas to thin herds. Take that tool away and then what happens? State and City officials may have to pay sharp shooters to come in and do the job hunters would be happy to do. More taxpayer burden.
How about we stop getting our hunting/trapping privileges taken away? Here's a few things we can't do anymore;
Hound hunting for cats and bears
Baiting for bears
Use of leg hold and body gripping traps
All of those things were taken away via voter initiative. Thank you D-bag Washington voters....
Just because you don't do it doesn't give you the right to take that away from anyone else.
Post by: jnevs23 on December 07, 2014, 08:39:03 AM
I think it's an unfair advantage to hunt at long ranges. Ban long range shots!
Post by: gonehuntin68 on December 07, 2014, 08:48:01 AM
That style of hunting may not be for you but why would you want to deny others from using this style of hunting? If its not for you don't do it!
:yeah:
Post by: vandeman17 on December 07, 2014, 08:56:52 AM
:yeah: some people never cease to amaze me. I don't like "long range" hunting and will never partake myself. Does that mean I want it banned? Heck no, to each their ownI figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards. Anything more than that is not hunting. It's just shooting and there's no skill involved in that.
Post by: LabChamp on December 07, 2014, 09:04:07 AM
(please, no profanity)
Post by: teanawayslayer on December 07, 2014, 09:04:56 AM
i disagree with this statement. Not everyone can just pick up a rifle and hit what they shoot at. Especially it to 800-1000+ yards. There is a lot of skill involved. I think your statement is ignorant!I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards. Anything more than that is not hunting. It's just shooting and there's no skill involved in that.
Post by: benhuntin on December 07, 2014, 09:06:58 AM
Im pretty sure he was being sarcastic.i disagree with this statement. Not everyone can just pick up a rifle and hit what they shoot at. Especially it to 800-1000+ yards. There is a lot of skill involved. I think yours statement is ignorant!I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards. Anything more than that is not hunting. It's just shooting and there's no skill involved in that.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Post by: fly4fish on December 07, 2014, 09:15:04 AM
What about hunting over water? An animal can eat anywhere, but there are typically only a few places to drink.
Post by: Ccortez on December 07, 2014, 09:18:40 AM
Post by: Becky on December 07, 2014, 09:21:12 AM
i disagree with this statement. Not everyone can just pick up a rifle and hit what they shoot at. Especially it to 800-1000+ yards. There is a lot of skill involved. I think your statement is ignorant!I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards. Anything more than that is not hunting. It's just shooting and there's no skill involved in that.
You absolutely missed the point.
Post by: netcoyote on December 07, 2014, 09:21:24 AM
This stuff is red meat for politicians and creating internal group conflict just adds fuel to the fire. So far I haven't heard anyone speak to the biological side of the argument. Maybe there is not much data to draw on. If that's the case, maybe that is where the effort should be focused.
There...that settles it... :rolleyes:
Post by: jrebel on December 07, 2014, 09:25:15 AM
Ultimately, shouldn't this decision (to bait or not bait) be based on the biological implications of the decision? Does it affect the health or the size of any game population? After all, THAT should be what we are interested in as hunters. If you start throwing emotions, politics and the "them vs us" mentality into the conversation, everyone looses, including the game population.
This stuff is red meat for politicians and creating internal group conflict just adds fuel to the fire. So far I haven't heard anyone speak to the biological side of the argument. Maybe there is not much data to draw on. If that's the case, maybe that is where the effort should be focused.
There...that settles it... :rolleyes:
Very well said. :yeah:
Post by: _TONY_ on December 07, 2014, 09:25:55 AM
Ultimately, shouldn't this decision (to bait or not bait) be based on the biological implications of the decision? Does it affect the health or the size of any game population? After all, THAT should be what we are interested in as hunters. If you start throwing emotions, politics and the "them vs us" mentality into the conversation, everyone looses, including the game population.
This stuff is red meat for politicians and creating internal group conflict just adds fuel to the fire. So far I haven't heard anyone speak to the biological side of the argument. Maybe there is not much data to draw on. If that's the case, maybe that is where the effort should be focused.
There...that settles it... :rolleyes:
I agree with you 100%
Post by: 3nails on December 07, 2014, 09:30:02 AM
Have you had your morning coffee yet? Maybe make a stronger second cup! :chuckle:i disagree with this statement. Not everyone can just pick up a rifle and hit what they shoot at. Especially it to 800-1000+ yards. There is a lot of skill involved. I think your statement is ignorant!I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards. Anything more than that is not hunting. It's just shooting and there's no skill involved in that.
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 09:32:14 AM
i disagree with this statement. Not everyone can just pick up a rifle and hit what they shoot at. Especially it to 800-1000+ yards. There is a lot of skill involved. I think your statement is ignorant!I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards. Anything more than that is not hunting. It's just shooting and there's no skill involved in that.
There was an amazing amount of sarcasm intended in my post. I took the OP's handle and ran with it. Sorry for the confusion. I'm actually in the process of potentially building a long range rifle myself. I was thinking of setting a blind 783 yards away from my salt lick.
:yike:
Post by: 3nails on December 07, 2014, 09:38:37 AM
:lol4:i disagree with this statement. Not everyone can just pick up a rifle and hit what they shoot at. Especially it to 800-1000+ yards. There is a lot of skill involved. I think your statement is ignorant!I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards. Anything more than that is not hunting. It's just shooting and there's no skill involved in that.
There was an amazing amount of sarcasm intended in my post. I took the OP's handle and ran with it. Sorry for the confusion. I'm actually in the process of potentially building a long range rifle myself. I was thinking of setting a blind 783 yards away from my salt lick.
:yike:
Post by: Turner89 on December 07, 2014, 09:43:19 AM
Sarcasm again....... Right? :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle::lol4:i disagree with this statement. Not everyone can just pick up a rifle and hit what they shoot at. Especially it to 800-1000+ yards. There is a lot of skill involved. I think your statement is ignorant!I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards. Anything more than that is not hunting. It's just shooting and there's no skill involved in that.
There was an amazing amount of sarcasm intended in my post. I took the OP's handle and ran with it. Sorry for the confusion. I'm actually in the process of potentially building a long range rifle myself. I was thinking of setting a blind 783 yards away from my salt lick.
:yike:
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 09:51:23 AM
:lol4:i disagree with this statement. Not everyone can just pick up a rifle and hit what they shoot at. Especially it to 800-1000+ yards. There is a lot of skill involved. I think your statement is ignorant!I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards. Anything more than that is not hunting. It's just shooting and there's no skill involved in that.
There was an amazing amount of sarcasm intended in my post. I took the OP's handle and ran with it. Sorry for the confusion. I'm actually in the process of potentially building a long range rifle myself. I was thinking of setting a blind 783 yards away from my salt lick.
:yike:
Now that's funny.
Post by: ellensburgpo on December 07, 2014, 09:57:29 AM
Post by: TheHunt on December 07, 2014, 10:00:32 AM
Dear longrangehunter,
I think it's an unfair advantage to hunt at long ranges. Ban long range shots!
I take exception to this post. I think we need a law which the hunter must only take 1000+ yard shots.
Post by: buckfvr on December 07, 2014, 10:05:38 AM
It is but another method for hunters to engage in, and some older and disabled hunters rely on TRYING to bring deer in as they can not pursue them beyond their limits. So dont be fooled by the automatic success label many put on baiting.
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 10:07:21 AM
You seem intent on just starting a fight and not really having a conversation......pointless. And netcoyote nailed it with his post.
Just stating my opinion, is that not allowed? If people managed herds over a long duration it would have an impact, however baiting occurs FOR THE MOST PART, a few days or morning of opening day apples, corn, hay goes on the ground.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about in regards to baiting if you think it just happens a couple days before opening day.
Post by: buckfvr on December 07, 2014, 10:10:08 AM
You seem intent on just starting a fight and not really having a conversation......pointless. And netcoyote nailed it with his post.
Just stating my opinion, is that not allowed? If people managed herds over a long duration it would have an impact, however baiting occurs FOR THE MOST PART, a few days or morning of opening day apples, corn, hay goes on the ground.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about in regards to baiting if you think it just happens a couple days before opening day.
The last part says it all...................and then some, youve now exposed yourself.
Post by: mikeybuck on December 07, 2014, 10:10:20 AM
Sure wish I did.
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 10:10:28 AM
My buddy sat in a blind on one of those sites for 2 days and didn't see an animal. That particular site has been baited consistently for 2 years now.
:dunno:
Post by: PolarBear on December 07, 2014, 10:11:08 AM
Post by: jasnt on December 07, 2014, 10:13:24 AM
no baiting needs to be started months in advance if you want to actually draw anything in. I feed the deer year round with corn,high protein mineral supplement and two large food plots. 90% of all visitors to my place are at night. Rarely do I get a deer off this place but I love doing it. Baiting is not what many believe it to be. Its very expensive!You seem intent on just starting a fight and not really having a conversation......pointless. And netcoyote nailed it with his post.
Just stating my opinion, is that not allowed? If people managed herds over a long duration it would have an impact, however baiting occurs FOR THE MOST PART, a few days or morning of opening day apples, corn, hay goes on the ground.
Post by: mikeybuck on December 07, 2014, 10:14:48 AM
Please enlighten me on how EVERYONE baits game animals?
Please enlighten me on how you think everyone baits? You seem to have a picture painted in your head about bait piles, now paint that picture.
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 10:17:45 AM
Post by: HornHoarder on December 07, 2014, 10:19:30 AM
Post by: 3nails on December 07, 2014, 10:19:58 AM
Post by: Hunting7mm on December 07, 2014, 10:22:32 AM
I want a law that says every hunter must mind his own business and quit hen-pecking their fellow outdoorsmen.
I like that!!!!!
Post by: Netminder01 on December 07, 2014, 10:25:20 AM
I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards. Anything more than that is not hunting. It's just shooting and there's no skill involved in that.
:chuckle:
Post by: 3nails on December 07, 2014, 10:27:14 AM
I made this my businessWell that is aarrogance at its finest (your quote from first post)
Post by: 3nails on December 07, 2014, 10:30:31 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 10:30:33 AM
I made this my businessWell that is aarrogance at its finest (your quote from first post)
Besides being able to cut and paste, your point being what?
You just made his point again.
Post by: buckfvr on December 07, 2014, 10:35:15 AM
No one has to do it, but those that want to can, and it should remain that way until they do a three year scientific study that shows it is having a negative impact on the herds.........and that by the way is wdfw verbatum on criteria for wolf/deer/elk/moose management.
Post by: Hunting7mm on December 07, 2014, 10:35:55 AM
Post by: jasnt on December 07, 2014, 10:38:55 AM
its just one more peace of hunting they are taking away! Next will be no artificial lures or calls, cause really we dont need them. Then maybe trail cams cause they are an unfair advantage, then ...... Eventually brother we will have no hunting at all. We need to stick together and fight for every single tiny peace we have no matter what! I'm sure if this was a type of hunting you did you would be out raged. Look what happened with hound hunting, look what's happened to trapping and bear hunting. We need to stick together, stand up for all hunters and hunters methods. Next on the list may very well be your hunting method. It wont affect me. But I will stand and your side and fight to save it! Why because I'm a hunter and I dont want to loose any more options weather mine or my brothers and sisters.I want a law stating that you can only carry 1 rifle round, one muzzleloader charge and one arrow while out hunting. After all, if you can't get it done in one shot, you do not deserve to be hunting. :chuckle:
By the way, I HATE the practice of baiting but that does not mean that I want it banned or will trash another hunter for using it, unless they are baiting in a city park or something like that. :chuckle:
I'm all that since I dont enjoy hunting in a war zone. The topic " wow that just happened" talks about a guy who shot a number of times at a deer. Trust me, one bullet will kill an animal but you actually have to shoot your rifle a few times before going hunting.
If baiting does not increase success, why is it so important?
Post by: Netminder01 on December 07, 2014, 10:40:15 AM
but several others including myself have another opinion.
I'd enjoy hearing from others with your point of view and I'm not sure you articulated your opinion. In your first post.. "if it grows". Will you spend a minute to clearly articulate your point so there's no confusion?
Post by: Hunting7mm on December 07, 2014, 10:43:53 AM
but several others including myself have another opinion.
I'd enjoy hearing from others with your point of view and I'm not sure you articulated your opinion. In your first post.. "if it grows". Will you spend a minute to clearly articulate your point so there's no confusion?
My opinion is leave baiting alone!!!!!! We have enough laws.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 07, 2014, 10:45:45 AM
Post by: Hunting7mm on December 07, 2014, 10:46:21 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 10:47:22 AM
Hey bud, that could be a slippery slope.WHAT IF I was poor, can't afford a hunting license, large caliber rifle and therefore my method is to hunt at night with a .22 rifle to feed my family and because I enjoy hunting?
Hey now you get it. But some a-hole didn't like hunting at night so he got a law passed that banned it.
Post by: Netminder01 on December 07, 2014, 10:49:30 AM
but several others including myself have another opinion.
I'd enjoy hearing from others with your point of view and I'm not sure you articulated your opinion. In your first post.. "if it grows". Will you spend a minute to clearly articulate your point so there's no confusion?
My opinion is leave baiting alone!!!!!! We have enough laws.
Ooops - Sorry Hunting7MM, I meant to pose this question to Longrangehunter 338 (author of the original post). More coffee ! :tung:
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 07, 2014, 10:50:08 AM
Hey bud, that could be a slippery slope.WHAT IF I was poor, can't afford a hunting license, large caliber rifle and therefore my method is to hunt at night with a .22 rifle to feed my family and because I enjoy hunting?
Your comparison is between legal and illegal hunting methods. It makes no sense. It's like saying if you like to ride a bicycle, why not ride a motorcycle without a license. No one here is saying they'll bait if it's illegal. But even the title of your thread is arrogant. You've decided to tell everyone that they should not do something that's legal because you don't want it. If you don't want to bait, don't bait. I don't. But the difference between you and me is that you've decided everyone else should agree with you. That's arrogance in the most pure sense.
ar·ro·gance noun \ˈer-ə-gən(t)s, ˈa-rə-\
: an insulting way of thinking or behaving that comes from believing that you are better, smarter, or more important than other people
Post by: runamuk on December 07, 2014, 10:51:36 AM
Seriously we dont need more new laws people need to just stinkin do or dont do what they feel is proper within the current legal nightmare we call our laws.
Post by: CementFinisher on December 07, 2014, 10:51:57 AM
I want a law that says every hunter must mind his own business and quit hen-pecking their fellow outdoorsmen.
:yeah:
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
Already illegal....no need to make a change to address that.
Why do you think that method became illegal? Maybe unfair advantage
Nope......someone had an opinion.
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 10:57:05 AM
My point is that baiting is not fair chase. Legal or illegal people will continue to spot light, continue to bait SO DOES IT REALLY MATTER. AS LONG AS DEER MEAT GOES INTO MY FREEZ THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
Says you.
I don't think hunting in the rut is fair chase. Or hunting with binoculars. Or etc, etc.
Post by: Hunting7mm on December 07, 2014, 10:58:27 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148)
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 07, 2014, 10:59:28 AM
Longrangehunter338 if your so against baiting why did you ask for deer and elk attractant recipes.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148)
Snap! That's not fair chase.
Post by: Netminder01 on December 07, 2014, 11:00:13 AM
And my opinion is NO BAITING
See we all have our opinions
Why? Because you don't think it's fair to the deer?? If your opinion is rooted in controlling success rate, this is not your decision to make. We all pay licenses and fees to the state to monitor harvest rates regardless of free range, food plots or a pile of apples on private land. Removing this option for hunters will inevitably lower success rates thereby lower the number of hunters who spend time and money in this sport. It would be a massively poor financial move for all the businesses, land owners, guides, etc who's livelihood (let alone personal enjoyment) come from hunting.
- Do you think the placement of decoys should also not be allowed? Deer calls?
- What about attractants like doe estrus or buck bombs?
- Is your opinion relegated to game? What about attractants for fish (smelly jelly, bait fish, etc)?
Net
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 11:00:20 AM
Longrangehunter338 if your so against baiting why did you ask for deer and elk attractant recipes.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148)
Too funny.
Say as I do, not as I do.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 07, 2014, 11:00:43 AM
Already illegal....no need to make a change to address that.
Why do you think that method became illegal? Maybe unfair advantage
Just seemed like a weak argument on your point, something to just throw out there because there was nothing else. And no real comparison to the issue at hand.
I am not convinced that the number of bait hunters out there make that large of an impact on overall harvest, where as a night hunter could.
Post by: CementFinisher on December 07, 2014, 11:02:29 AM
Fair chaise or ethical, are words antis like to use to catch the attention or heart strings of people, they are words that come from ideas, views, perspectives, emotions, and feeling, that are constantly changinging. they are not facts
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 11:03:03 AM
Longrangehunter338 if your so against baiting why did you ask for deer and elk attractant recipes.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148)
Is it not legal?
Are you kidding me? Are you 12? Last I checked baiting is still legal.
Post by: Hunting7mm on December 07, 2014, 11:04:24 AM
Longrangehunter338 if your so against baiting why did you ask for deer and elk attractant recipes.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148)
Too funny.
Say as I do, not as I do.
:yeah:
Post by: grundy53 on December 07, 2014, 11:05:23 AM
My point is that baiting is not fair chase. Legal or illegal people will continue to spot light, continue to bait SO DOES IT REALLY MATTER. AS LONG AS DEER MEAT GOES INTO MY FREEZ THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.And your the guy who gets to decide what's fair chase and what's not?
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 11:08:35 AM
What does longrangehunter338 and a teenage girl have in common?
They are both right because they know they are right.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 07, 2014, 11:10:16 AM
Longrangehunter338 if your so against baiting why did you ask for deer and elk attractant recipes.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148)
Is it not legal?
Based on your prior statements, if you had your way it wouldn't be.
Yet you openly ask for help in doing just what you come on here and say is wrong??
Here is another word to add to the mix:
hypocrite
[hip-uh-krit]
noun
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 11:11:02 AM
GO HAWKS
Post by: jasnt on December 07, 2014, 11:11:30 AM
Actually this post was in response to the topic "OPPOSE ANY RESTRICTION ON BAITING - EMAIL TO WDFW"if we could just stick together we could change alot!
Do I bait, nope, do I care nope, just wanted to play devil's advocate on this issue. There will always be divided lines such as those who poke at the The Crush with Lee and Tiffany or the monster roosie that was hunted with Eva Shockey over a pile of apples on private land. That topic and pic of that huge elk are on here.
I personally care more about having to pay more fees to access tree farm property but that won't change.
Post by: KFhunter on December 07, 2014, 11:12:26 AM
As long as it's legal, ethical and humane as possible I don't care how you hunt.
Please don't buy into the lines the anti-hunting advocates uses when restricting our hunting privileges one baby step at a time, you're helping to slice your own throat.
I guarantee a method you do use will be closer to the chopping block with each success anti-hunting advocates enjoy. It won't stop until hunting is eliminated.
Post by: Pinetar on December 07, 2014, 11:13:26 AM
Longrange - IF possible for you, read and understand what most on here say about sticking together and fighting the BIG BATTLE and get off your high horse.
Go to Blacktail's recent post "Where does it stop" and maybe you can be part of the solution instead of the problem.
Post by: Hunting7mm on December 07, 2014, 11:14:41 AM
Let's quit advocating for less hunting and instead focus on how to improve opportunity, no matter how you pursue your game.
As long as it's legal, ethical and humane as possible I don't care how you hunt.
Please don't buy into the lines the anti-hunting advocates uses when restricting our hunting privileges one baby step at a time, you're helping to slice your own throat.
:tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: Bango skank on December 07, 2014, 11:16:48 AM
Post by: Pinetar on December 07, 2014, 11:17:17 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 11:22:31 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 11:24:34 AM
Longrangehunter338 if your so against baiting why did you ask for deer and elk attractant recipes.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165040.msg2175148.html#msg2175148)
Is it not legal?
Is it not baiting?
Laffin.
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 11:26:30 AM
So I have an opinion, CONSTRUCTIVE arguments are given to change my opinion, I "change" my opinion and now I'm backpedaling?
You started a thread three weeks ago asking for advice on deer attractants. Now you started a thread advocating for the banning of baiting. That is not backpedaling.
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 11:36:52 AM
Really bigshooter, so much for professionalism. Good to know you can handle the responsibility of carrying a loaded firearm into the woods.
Maybe you should try and get that banned too.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 07, 2014, 11:38:42 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 07, 2014, 11:39:48 AM
So I have an opinion, CONSTRUCTIVE arguments are given to change my opinion, I "change" my opinion and now I'm backpedaling?
Timing is everything.
Changing your stance only after getting called out by your prior post asking for recipes does shine a suspicious light on it.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 07, 2014, 11:40:29 AM
Boy, season gets finished and people get owly. Merry Christmas all!
:yeah:
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 11:44:05 AM
Really bigshooter, so much for professionalism. Good to know you can handle the responsibility of carrying a loaded firearm into the woods.
Maybe you should try and get that banned too.
It will never happen, unfortunately clowns will forever be allowed in the woods
And on this forum. :DOH:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 07, 2014, 11:44:26 AM
Post by: lewy on December 07, 2014, 11:46:05 AM
If ya don't, then don't.
Don't tell others they can't.
If ya wanna own a gun, own a gun.
If ya don't, then don't.
Don't tell others they can't.
Some of you people are as bad as the gun grabbing morons in this country. Mind ur own damn business and do ur own thing. That being said, I don't hunt over bait, but someday I may want to?
Post by: teanawayslayer on December 07, 2014, 11:47:38 AM
my bad!i disagree with this statement. Not everyone can just pick up a rifle and hit what they shoot at. Especially it to 800-1000+ yards. There is a lot of skill involved. I think your statement is ignorant!I figured since the topic was posted to gather support to maintain baiting for deer and elk and thosewho do not support baiting not to respond. Well that is aarrogance at its finest. If anything I think washington would be better to go to no baiting like missouri does. If it grows it IS NOT BAITING. If you place it on the ground it is baiting. Just my thoughts but, if you just have to dump a bunch of hay or apples on the ground you might as well do a canned hunt.
I'd like to start a campaign to create a new law restricting rifle hunting to shots no more than 300 yards. Anything more than that is not hunting. It's just shooting and there's no skill involved in that.
There was an amazing amount of sarcasm intended in my post. I took the OP's handle and ran with it. Sorry for the confusion. I'm actually in the process of potentially building a long range rifle myself. I was thinking of setting a blind 783 yards away from my salt lick.
:yike:
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 11:53:12 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 07, 2014, 11:56:25 AM
So I have an opinion, CONSTRUCTIVE arguments are given to change my opinion, I "change" my opinion and now I'm backpedaling?
Timing is everything.
Changing your stance only after getting called out by your prior post asking for recipes does shine a suspicious light on it.
So now I have to be against baiting. I cannot agree with anyone on here as to why baiting should be maintain and legal.
You start a thread saying it should not be legal.
Post responses calling people arrogant for not agreeing with your opinion.
Someone finds a post where you asked how to make up baits in another thread.
Then you claim "Devil's Advocate" and announce your stance has been suddenly been changed.
Hard to really know where you stand and what your true feelings are...
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 11:58:28 AM
Really bigshooter, so much for professionalism. Good to know you can handle the responsibility of carrying a loaded firearm into the woods.
Maybe you should try and get that banned too.
It will never happen, unfortunately clowns will forever be allowed in the woods
And on this forum. :DOH:
So you are going to leave this forum then?
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I should have known you wouldn't get it. :tung:
Post by: billythekidrock on December 07, 2014, 12:02:13 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 07, 2014, 12:04:02 PM
5 pages? C'mon people. You really going to let this troll get you riled up? Forgive his ignorance / entitled attitude and put your energy into someone or something positive.
It is a slow Sunday...... :chuckle:
Post by: runamuk on December 07, 2014, 12:04:58 PM
No worries. The Internet plus sarcasm plus my dry sense of humor = hard to read at times.
funny I seem to get you just fine and I am known to be quite dense :)
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 12:05:33 PM
5 pages? C'mon people. You really going to let this troll get you riled up? Forgive his ignorance / entitled attitude and put your energy into someone or something positive.
NO..........Riled up? No again. I'm having fun.
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 12:06:20 PM
5 pages? C'mon people. You really going to let this troll get you riled up? Forgive his ignorance / entitled attitude and put your energy into someone or something positive.
It is a slow Sunday...... :chuckle:
Hawks don't play until 1. I need something to fill the time.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 07, 2014, 12:06:53 PM
No worries. The Internet plus sarcasm plus my dry sense of humor = hard to read at times.
funny I seem to get you just fine and I am known to be quite dense :)
:chuckle:
Post by: billythekidrock on December 07, 2014, 12:07:07 PM
5 pages? C'mon people. You really going to let this troll get you riled up? Forgive his ignorance / entitled attitude and put your energy into someone or something positive.
It is a slow Sunday...... :chuckle:
LOL I guess so. Up to 6 now.
Post by: billythekidrock on December 07, 2014, 12:08:19 PM
5 pages? C'mon people. You really going to let this troll get you riled up? Forgive his ignorance / entitled attitude and put your energy into someone or something positive.
It is a slow Sunday...... :chuckle:
Hawks don't play until 1. I need something to fill the time.
Pretty sure it is at 1:25 so you have a little more time to kill.
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 12:10:39 PM
So I have an opinion, CONSTRUCTIVE arguments are given to change my opinion, I "change" my opinion and now I'm backpedaling?
Timing is everything.
Changing your stance only after getting called out by your prior post asking for recipes does shine a suspicious light on it.
So now I have to be against baiting. I cannot agree with anyone on here as to why baiting should be maintain and legal.
You start a thread saying it should not be legal.
Post responses calling people arrogant for not agreeing with your opinion.
Someone finds a post where you asked how to make up baits in another thread.
Then you claim "Devil's Advocate" and announce your stance has been suddenly been changed.
Hard to really know where you stand and what your true feelings are...
Got to read the entire post. I originally posted this topic in response to the thread telling everyone toemail the wdfw and keep baiting legal. the thread starter told anyone who does not agree to not post any response. I was told in this thread that timing is everything. I can't suddenly agree to maintain baiting soooo I have to maintain my opposition to baiting. With sportmen like bigshooter I can totally see why we are divided, if someone does not agree resort to immature jokes.
This is the first state I have lived in that allows baiting. I never baited before and never will and I no longer care what other trigger pullers do in the woods.
Mom someone is making jokes about me. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 12:11:31 PM
5 pages? C'mon people. You really going to let this troll get you riled up? Forgive his ignorance / entitled attitude and put your energy into someone or something positive.
It is a slow Sunday...... :chuckle:
Hawks don't play until 1. I need something to fill the time.
Pretty sure it is at 1:25 so you have a little more time to kill.
Pregame man pregame. :chuckle:
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
So I have an opinion, CONSTRUCTIVE arguments are given to change my opinion, I "change" my opinion and now I'm backpedaling?
Timing is everything.
Changing your stance only after getting called out by your prior post asking for recipes does shine a suspicious light on it.
So now I have to be against baiting. I cannot agree with anyone on here as to why baiting should be maintain and legal.
You start a thread saying it should not be legal.
Post responses calling people arrogant for not agreeing with your opinion.
Someone finds a post where you asked how to make up baits in another thread.
Then you claim "Devil's Advocate" and announce your stance has been suddenly been changed.
Hard to really know where you stand and what your true feelings are...
Got to read the entire post. I originally posted this topic in response to the thread telling everyone toemail the wdfw and keep baiting legal. the thread starter told anyone who does not agree to not post any response. I was told in this thread that timing is everything. I can't suddenly agree to maintain baiting soooo I have to maintain my opposition to baiting. With sportmen like bigshooter I can totally see why we are divided, if someone does not agree resort to immature jokes.
This is the first state I have lived in that allows baiting. I never baited before and never will and I no longer care what other trigger pullers do in the woods.
So you are not even from our state and moved in and think you have the right to tell guys that have been doing something for generations they can't anymore :bash: Move back to where you came from.
Not back to where he came from. Go straight to California you will fit right in.
Post by: billythekidrock on December 07, 2014, 12:14:59 PM
5 pages? C'mon people. You really going to let this troll get you riled up? Forgive his ignorance / entitled attitude and put your energy into someone or something positive.
It is a slow Sunday...... :chuckle:
Hawks don't play until 1. I need something to fill the time.
Pretty sure it is at 1:25 so you have a little more time to kill.
Pregame man pregame. :chuckle:
So the game before the pregame would be pregame game?
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 12:15:37 PM
So I have an opinion, CONSTRUCTIVE arguments are given to change my opinion, I "change" my opinion and now I'm backpedaling?
Timing is everything.
Changing your stance only after getting called out by your prior post asking for recipes does shine a suspicious light on it.
So now I have to be against baiting. I cannot agree with anyone on here as to why baiting should be maintain and legal.
You start a thread saying it should not be legal.
Post responses calling people arrogant for not agreeing with your opinion.
Someone finds a post where you asked how to make up baits in another thread.
Then you claim "Devil's Advocate" and announce your stance has been suddenly been changed.
Hard to really know where you stand and what your true feelings are...
Got to read the entire post. I originally posted this topic in response to the thread telling everyone toemail the wdfw and keep baiting legal. the thread starter told anyone who does not agree to not post any response. I was told in this thread that timing is everything. I can't suddenly agree to maintain baiting soooo I have to maintain my opposition to baiting. With sportmen like bigshooter I can totally see why we are divided, if someone does not agree resort to immature jokes.
This is the first state I have lived in that allows baiting. I never baited before and never will and I no longer care what other trigger pullers do in the woods.
This is washington i'm a sportsperson. Some a-hole got sportsman banned. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 12:18:03 PM
5 pages? C'mon people. You really going to let this troll get you riled up? Forgive his ignorance / entitled attitude and put your energy into someone or something positive.
It is a slow Sunday...... :chuckle:
Hawks don't play until 1. I need something to fill the time.
Pretty sure it is at 1:25 so you have a little more time to kill.
Pregame man pregame. :chuckle:
So the game before the pregame would be pregame game?
Don't get technical with me. It's killing my good mood. :chuckle:
Post by: 4fletch on December 07, 2014, 12:19:31 PM
kinda like calling the kettle blackReally bigshooter, so much for professionalism. Good to know you can handle the responsibility of carrying a loaded firearm into the woods.
Maybe you should try and get that banned too.
It will never happen, unfortunately clowns will forever be allowed in the woods
Post by: Bigshooter on December 07, 2014, 12:22:39 PM
Malibu is awesome :chuckle:
Only in Pina colada's.
Post by: pd on December 07, 2014, 12:29:04 PM
If ya wanna bait, then bait.
If ya don't, then don't.
Don't tell others they can't.
If ya wanna own a gun, own a gun.
If ya don't, then don't.
Don't tell others they can't.
Some of you people are as bad as the gun grabbing morons in this country. Mind ur own damn business and do ur own thing. That being said, I don't hunt over bait, but someday I may want to?
Thank you, Lewy. That is exactly how I feel.
Post by: LittleJohn on December 07, 2014, 01:25:17 PM
I am not for or against baiting, I don't have a hand in the game.
I tried baiting when I lived in Washington. In my experience the time, energy, and money spent on baiting was not worth it. Baiting did not increase my success rate at all.
Spending the time and money scouting and learning new areas instead of baiting did however increase my success rate.
:twocents: :twocents: :tup:
Post by: buckfvr on December 07, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
Somehow people keep killing mature deer and elk in Montana without the use of baiting.
I am not for or against baiting, I don't have a hand in the game.
I tried baiting when I lived in Washington. In my experience the time, energy, and money spent on baiting was not worth it. Baiting did not increase my success rate at all.
Spending the time and money scouting and learning new areas instead of baiting did however increase my success rate.
:twocents: :twocents: :tup:
I agree except lets not compare success in wa vs. success in montana as apples to apples........
Post by: benhuntin on December 07, 2014, 01:39:40 PM
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Post by: billythekidrock on December 07, 2014, 01:44:36 PM
5 pages? C'mon people. You really going to let this troll get you riled up? Forgive his ignorance / entitled attitude and put your energy into someone or something positive.
It is a slow Sunday...... :chuckle:
Hawks don't play until 1. I need something to fill the time.
Pretty sure it is at 1:25 so you have a little more time to kill.
Pregame man pregame. :chuckle:
So the game before the pregame would be pregame game?
Don't get technical with me. It's killing my good mood. :chuckle:
Getting technical was tiring...or maybe it was this thread. Took a nice nap...and missed the first couple drives.
Post by: Igor on December 07, 2014, 02:00:42 PM
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.
Please note the part about "improper advantage" as it might pertain to baiting.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 07, 2014, 02:09:39 PM
You wanted scientific data
http://www.mfoa.net/animal_activism_events/activism/black_bears_analysis.html (http://www.mfoa.net/animal_activism_events/activism/black_bears_analysis.html)
Pros and cons of baiting black bear and why it was changed.
For deer
http://www.realtree.com/brow-tines-and-backstrap/the-bait-debate (http://www.realtree.com/brow-tines-and-backstrap/the-bait-debate)
Black bear baiting was banned in WA because an uneducated public was 1. allowed to vote on an issue that should've remained in the hands of qualified wildlife biologists, and 2. influenced by multi-million dollar special interest groups who lied to them, much like what happened on 594. It had nothing to do with ethics or fair chase. We're paying the price for it today with an over-populated predator base of bears, cougars, and large dogs. If this decision were left strictly in the hands of wildlife managers, hunters would continue to have the use of baiting as the numbers of ungulates don't yet dictate a change in methods. The introduction of wolves may change that in the near future. But that's more a fault of the outrageous wolf plan than it is of baiting itself.
Post by: Bango skank on December 07, 2014, 02:12:13 PM
You wanted scientific data
http://www.mfoa.net/animal_activism_events/activism/black_bears_analysis.html (http://www.mfoa.net/animal_activism_events/activism/black_bears_analysis.html)
Pros and cons of baiting black bear and why it was changed.
For deer
http://www.realtree.com/brow-tines-and-backstrap/the-bait-debate (http://www.realtree.com/brow-tines-and-backstrap/the-bait-debate)
So you post a link to an anti hunting groups site about bears, and a link about deer hunting that is basically an opinion piece that holds not a shred of scientific data. If you were trying to make a point you failed
Post by: mfswallace on December 07, 2014, 02:17:00 PM
Here is the Boone and Crockett definition of fair chase:
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.
Please note the part about "improper advantage" as it might pertain to baiting.
Please note the part about "lawful" !!
Let me finish your thought since you didn't copy and paste all of the info from B&C your quoting!
HUNTER ETHICS
Fundamental to all hunting is the concept of conservation of natural resources. Hunting in today's world involves the regulated harvest of individual animals in a manner that conserves, protects, and perpetuates the hunted population. The hunter engages in a one-to-one relationship with the quarry and his or her hunting should be guided by a hierarchy of ethics related to hunting, which includes the following tenets:
1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.
2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.
3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.
4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.
5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.
6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment
Please note #2 !!!!! Especially the OP who is admittedly not from here!
Many Boone and Crockett animals were either discovered(cams) and hunted because of bait or taken with the aid of bait...
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 02:19:23 PM
Post by: mfswallace on December 07, 2014, 02:33:27 PM
Post by: Bango skank on December 07, 2014, 02:34:41 PM
Post by: Bango skank on December 07, 2014, 02:45:34 PM
Yeah, and every one makes him look like a bigger idiot.
Haha, Stiil waiting for your proof or is your opinion scientific?
Dont know what it is youre asking me to prove, let alone why i should have the need to prove it. And as for my opinion, the only opinion ive stated here is that youre acting like an idiot.
Post by: hughjorgan on December 07, 2014, 02:55:26 PM
Yeah, and every one makes him look like a bigger idiot.
Haha, Stiil waiting for your proof or is your opinion scientific?
Dont know what it is youre asking me to prove, let alone why i should have the need to prove it. And as for my opinion, the only opinion ive stated here is that youre acting like an idiot.
Why is baiting a necessary way of hunting?
Why is hunting neccessary, just buy your meat at the grocery store it is a lot cheaper.
Post by: Birdguy on December 07, 2014, 02:58:42 PM
:bdid: SAD TO SEE AS A SPOTSMAN! :bash: :bash:
Post by: mfswallace on December 07, 2014, 03:03:10 PM
Post by: Igor on December 07, 2014, 03:08:32 PM
Here is the Boone and Crockett definition of fair chase:
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.
Please note the part about "improper advantage" as it might pertain to baiting.
Please note the part about "lawful" !!
Let me finish your thought since you didn't copy and paste all of the info from B&C your quoting!
HUNTER ETHICS
Fundamental to all hunting is the concept of conservation of natural resources. Hunting in today's world involves the regulated harvest of individual animals in a manner that conserves, protects, and perpetuates the hunted population. The hunter engages in a one-to-one relationship with the quarry and his or her hunting should be guided by a hierarchy of ethics related to hunting, which includes the following tenets:
1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.
2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.
3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.
4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.
5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.
6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment
Please note #2 !!!!! Especially the OP who is admittedly not from here!
Many Boone and Crockett animals were either discovered(cams) and hunted because of bait or taken with the aid of bait...
Hey, pay attention!! I didn't state that baiting is not lawful. My point is that baiting has nothing to do with fair chase. Parse it any way you like........it still isn't!!!
Post by: Bob33 on December 07, 2014, 03:24:21 PM