Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 10, 2014, 09:56:45 PM
Post by: Todd_ID on December 10, 2014, 10:14:01 PM
Post by: npaull on December 10, 2014, 10:16:44 PM
But no, head shots are just not something done with bows and arrows. Ever.
Post by: BlacktailBowhunter on December 10, 2014, 10:29:04 PM
That is such a low percentage shot, even with a rifle I find that irresponsible.
Post by: lokidog on December 10, 2014, 10:31:13 PM
I'm not sure where you have read posts that they are "taken this way all the time" other than on anti-hunting sites. Responsible hunters know this; you very well should know this; and bringing it up in a public forum is only an attempt to incite a reaction. I suggest thinking before typing in cases like this.
Seems from previous posts that this is the intent of this OP. :dunno:
Post by: Fullabull on December 10, 2014, 10:38:27 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 10, 2014, 10:47:17 PM
Rather than throw stones at your fellow hunters, try standing together with them.
Post by: RadSav on December 10, 2014, 10:51:38 PM
Thankfully in 35 years of hunting I have only seen a few animals shot in the head with an arrow. Usually the result of a range estimation error. Accidents do happen, as with anything in life. The statement that elk and deer are taken this way all the time is misleading. I'm sure there are elk and deer killed this way every year by errant shots. But I highly doubt that the percentage of bowhunters that attempt this shot even reaches 1%.
Post by: mfswallace on December 10, 2014, 10:59:07 PM
Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
Post by: BlacktailBowhunter on December 10, 2014, 11:01:52 PM
I would venture to say that most deer that do not take a vital hit with a broadhead heal up quickly and live a normal life. Much like someone getting a sugical cut on the leg or head.
Just take a look at MMA fighters, they take hits and cuts and heal up just fine.
Thanks for sharing the fact that the buck was seen on video after living through an attempt on his life. I am guessing he is enjoying his extra bling and appears to be showing it off in front of the cameras for all to see.
That buck may just start a new fad for other bucks and we may see bucks running into arrows head on :IBCOOL:
It is always nice to see more evidence that proves most un-recovered bow shot deer actually live to see another day and go on as if nothing ever happened. Thanks for sharing. :hello:
Post by: RadSav on December 10, 2014, 11:20:11 PM
That buck may just start a new fad for other bucks and we may see bucks running into arrows head on :IBCOOL:
I'm a Wild and Crazy deer!
That deer's name is Navin R. Johnson. He was born a poor blacktail. What a jerk :chuckle:
Post by: mfswallace on December 10, 2014, 11:38:11 PM
That buck may just start a new fad for other bucks and we may see bucks running into arrows head on :IBCOOL:
I'm a Wild and Crazy deer!
That deer's name is Navin R. Johnson. He was born a poor blacktail. What a jerk :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Thanks Rad
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 11, 2014, 06:18:04 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on December 11, 2014, 06:24:09 AM
I'm not sure where you have read posts that they are "taken this way all the time" other than on anti-hunting sites. Responsible hunters know this; you very well should know this; and bringing it up in a public forum is only an attempt to incite a reaction. I suggest thinking before typing in cases like this.
I see it a lot on pro-hunting FB pages.
Post by: grundy53 on December 11, 2014, 06:41:10 AM
:yeah:I'm not sure where you have read posts that they are "taken this way all the time" other than on anti-hunting sites. Responsible hunters know this; you very well should know this; and bringing it up in a public forum is only an attempt to incite a reaction. I suggest thinking before typing in cases like this.
Seems from previous posts that this is the intent of this OP. :dunno:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on December 11, 2014, 06:42:32 AM
I think jackalope nailed it With the intent of the op.
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2014, 07:00:35 AM
Post by: bhawley76 on December 11, 2014, 07:03:06 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 11, 2014, 08:33:45 AM
:stirthepot:thats all lr338 does it seems....
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2014, 08:48:34 AM
Post by: longwalker on December 11, 2014, 08:57:35 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 11, 2014, 09:23:25 AM
Post by: xXLojackXx on December 11, 2014, 12:25:33 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 11, 2014, 12:28:52 PM
That buck may just start a new fad for other bucks and we may see bucks running into arrows head on :IBCOOL:
I'm a Wild and Crazy deer!
That deer's name is Navin R. Johnson. He was born a poor blacktail. What a jerk :chuckle:
"I like to keep the laughs rolling even while playing..."
Those skits are irreplaceable RAD. Born a poor blacktail hahahahahaha! From rags to riches...to rags.
Post by: BlacktailBowhunter on December 11, 2014, 12:46:32 PM
That buck may just start a new fad for other bucks and we may see bucks running into arrows head on :IBCOOL:
I'm a Wild and Crazy deer!
That deer's name is Navin R. Johnson. He was born a poor blacktail. What a jerk :chuckle:
Very creative. This made me laugh alot. LOL. I love it.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 11, 2014, 01:05:14 PM
Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
Sort of like long range hunting?
Post by: returnofsid on December 11, 2014, 06:32:52 PM
If I found myself being accused of something, that I wasn't guilty of, you'd best bet I'd be responding, forthwith! However, if I were being accused of something, that I WAS guilty of, I'd probably be feeling ashamed, and not likely to respond as quickly...
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 11, 2014, 06:42:36 PM
Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
Sort of like long range hunting?
What's long range hunting?
Post by: kentrek on December 11, 2014, 06:43:45 PM
Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
Sort of like long range hunting?
What's long range hunting?
When you walk a long ways :dunno:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 11, 2014, 06:46:25 PM
Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
Sort of like long range hunting?
Or when you burn a lot of gas?
What's long range hunting?
When you walk a long ways :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on December 11, 2014, 07:19:51 PM
Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
Sort of like long range hunting?
Or when you burn a lot of gas?
What's long range hunting?
When you walk a long ways :dunno:
You need a tack driver for that?
Post by: longrangekiller on December 11, 2014, 07:24:34 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 11, 2014, 07:25:12 PM
In 338. ;)Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
Sort of like long range hunting?
Or when you burn a lot of gas?
What's long range hunting?
When you walk a long ways :dunno:
You need a tack driver for that?
Post by: kentrek on December 11, 2014, 07:47:15 PM
In 338. ;)Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
Sort of like long range hunting?
Or when you burn a lot of gas?
What's long range hunting?
When you walk a long ways :dunno:
You need a tack driver for that?
Is that the bow speed or unit number :dunno:
So confused
:chuckle:
Post by: lokidog on December 11, 2014, 07:55:11 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 11, 2014, 08:47:54 PM
In 338. ;)Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
Sort of like long range hunting?
Or when you burn a lot of gas?
What's long range hunting?
When you walk a long ways :dunno:
You need a tack driver for that?
Is that the bow speed or unit number :dunno:
So confused
:chuckle:
.338
Win mag
Lapua
Edge
So many possibilities.
Post by: nacheshunter on December 11, 2014, 09:00:11 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 11, 2014, 09:01:28 PM
Check the OP's name.In 338. ;)Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
Sort of like long range hunting?
Or when you burn a lot of gas?
What's long range hunting?
When you walk a long ways :dunno:
You need a tack driver for that?
Is that the bow speed or unit number :dunno:
So confused
:chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 11, 2014, 09:08:57 PM
Hit this guy with the :ban: hammer. Clearly doesn't contribute anything positive to this forum.I better add in there that I shoot a Mathews :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 11, 2014, 10:23:14 PM
FACEBOOK PAGE : BLACKTAIL DEER HUNTING ( the original one, a HOWTOHUNT.com chapter)
It will show the trail cam video of the buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. Read the comments below and you will see that there are those that advocate taking head shots with their bow.
Dave Tunstall I don't think anyone would intentionally try a headshot with a bow. At least, I sure hope not. It should be clear that there's not enough energy to make a lethal wound. I'm assuming (hoping) it was just a REALLY bad shot.
Dylan Webb It can be done you just have to be a man about it and draw at least 70 pounds.
John Cooper Yeah ^ my buddies dad killed a bull elk by a head shot so it can be done and lethal too
Dylan Webb I've seen "on TV" a guy kill a Grizzly with an archery head shot.
Joseph Mark Still a stupid idea.
Emmett D. Wortman Lethal, it is possible, but, VERY, UNETHICAL AND IMPRACTICAL.
Dorian Buhler Stupid.
Dylan Webb Only if you miss
Brandon Mauseth Yes can be done but y take the chance??? Just plain stupid
Brad Molash Lmao.really? Be man about it and make an ethical shot for christ sakes
Emmett D. Wortman Dylan Webb, you can read any professional literature and this a very unethic shot. If it is to save your life and it is a last resort, maybe.
Austin Powell Depend who u are. If u think its a good shot take it. If u don't like the shot then simply don't shoot. If I think its ethical to shoot one in the knee and u don't....who are u to stop me
Brandon Mauseth Lmao!!! Just watch the vid it's not a good shot and anyone should not be proud of it!!!!
Emmett D. Wortman With a bow any one who thinks it is ethical is an idiot.
Gary Pendergast Late season archery is killing off the great bucks guys but you are destroying the herds!
Brad Molash If you think a head shot with a bow is ethical ur a bonehead and shouldn't be hunting with one
Austin Powell If it dies it clearly an ethical shot
Tyson Jamesew Healon The i ideas a quick clean kill.. With no suffering to the animal.. I promise that buck was in some real pain.
Brandon Sullivan Hey, brad do you thing the clackamas will have catchable nuber of fish next week if its not blown out?
Ryan Clark Not saying how I feel about this, but plenty of animals get away no matter where you aim to shoot. To me this is no different then seeing a buck with an arrow in the body that lived.
Cory McCall I've take three deer , two pigs now with head shots but would never try from the side of the head just head on. Drops them in there tracks
Emmett D. Wortman Austin Powell, that is not logical thinking. Just because the shot kills, does not mean it is ethical. That is like saying the average hunter should take a 500 yard shot and if it kills, it's fine. What about the times it does not kill and you end up with a wounded animal?
Jack G Friend I bet that hurt when he was in tight brush.
Jonathan Vandervelden Head moves to much, kill zone to small, very painfull and slow death and it looks horrible for archery hunters and give them a bad name if people see deer with arrows sticking out I there heads
Jay Graves Somebody killed that deer. It was on one of these other pages.
Joseph Mark Wyatt Sebright you gotta see some of this
Jack G Friend Is that string on the front fork too?
Beau Moody Michael Johnson
Greg van Loo Hopefully doesn't kill him when he hits it on something
Brad Molash LmaoBrandon Sullivan, very fishy:)
Austin Powell Emmet and joseph I am a hunter. And don't even try to deny that u haven't shot an animal with no recovery. Cause if u do ur jusll bull headed. *censored* happens when ur in the woods. And I never said I liked knee shots. I said if I did than that my prefence I can shoot how I want
Emmett D. Wortman And you are right, you can take whatever idiotic, stupid, UNETHICAL shot you want.
Austin Powell Well either way. If I intentional aim for the for head and it quickly turns its head and I don't hit it good. Nothing I could do about that
Austin Powell Head shot is an easy shot
Emmett D. Wortman Other than shoot the vital area and potentially get a good shot. The more you talk Austin, honestly, the more you prove you should not handle a weapon.
Austin Powell Y cause I could kill a deer by shooting it in the head. Sound like a good marksman to me
John Vaughn Take out the pump station everything stops fast and ethical.
Joseph Mark Austin you just proved why you shouldn't shoot at the head. The more you talk the deeper you get ahha.
Austin Powell Joseph if I shoot any were at a deer and it moves my shot could be thrown off. Abd if that's the case no one should hunt
Matt Fowler I have shot a deer in the head before, was a great shot didn't blood shot any meat and the animal was in zero pain. So I honestly have nothing bad to say with head shots if u can get a good shot
Matt Fowler Uhh idk the shot would have to be absolutely perfect for me to even thing about it but idk if I even would then
John Vaughn I am sooooooo glad I was tought how to hunt by a wise man who tought me hunting ethics with rifle and bow, not by a hotshot trying to prove himself to his friends.
Nick Birddog Liday Here's the thing, I have respect for the wild game that I chase and kill. And as a hunter that respect obligates me to place an ethical shot that will end the animals life as quickly and efficiently as possible. You argue with that point and you've just dunce capped yourselves. Enjoy the evening.
Julien Dickie I just seen this guy mounted. Thankfully someone put him out of his misery.
Justin McClaughry 70lb draw alone ain't gonna cut it... HEAVY ARROW HEAVY BROADHEAD AND A BOW THAT CAN BE SHOT AT IBO SPEEDS BY A GANGLY TALL GUY. if your not putting KINETIC ENERGY down range you better just take a seat and let the rest of us do the bow hunting
Nick Birddog Liday Hrrrm 60 lbs won't cut through the chest and fillet the heart for me? I better get back in the gym!
Nick Birddog Liday they do! I deleted that cause I didn't want to be so mean, but in light of your humorous response I should've left it!
John Vaughn Wait I'm short with a short draw 80 lb should work lol need the power for them tough pump stations.
Justin McClaughry Lol... I'm just saying that if your gonna think your arrow is a bone smasher you'd better had done the calculations to know your Kinetic energy,
Nick Birddog Liday No in all honesty I read your comment wrong. I completely agree. Don't take shots you can't confidently know are going to ethically kill your game.
Randy Bonner This is why anytime I hear some *censored* about "Hunt with a bow, give the deer a chance!" I ask them "A chance for what? Do you have any idea what the hell you're talking about?"
Justin McClaughry Headshots can be done on deer with a bow, BUT it takes a very high speed bow slingin around 550+grains to GUARANTEE that it'll be successful. Brass inserts FOR SURE!
Justin McClaughry I know a lot of rifle hunters who screw up and wound animals too, only difference they did it 200yds away
Emmett D. Wortman Still think it's BS, but I will do more research.
Justin McClaughry Actually if someone does the actual research on it I'd love to see the results for needed kinetic energy.
Sean Marston NEVER shoot a bow at at a deer in the head. Jesus *censored*. Don't get me wrong, I shot a pig in the head at 40 yards, square between the eyes, and luckily it worked, it was more of a test since pigs are more like rats to me, but I would never try that on a deer.
Sean Marston Kinetic energy is a huge factor, but I feel the biggest is the angle. I wouldn't have tried the shot on the pig if his head was up.
Anything different then a 90 degree the arrow is gonna connect and be thrown off course. *censored*, a tall blade of grass throws arrows off it's mark. There's too much room for error to even attempt it on a deer.
Joshua Foster Any living animal should get equal respect when out harvesting them.
My first comment wasnt aimed at you sean.
Sean Marston I didn't think it was. Ha I was just adding after thinking about it more.
Steve Isdahl sometimes '*censored* happens' and what may 'look' was a planned headshot , may not really be what happened ! I remember years ago when I was around 18 I finally had a crack at a monster blacktail I had been after for a while. The adrenaline was over load to say the least !! At the time , I shot bare bow ( no sites) and a finger tab and as well I am left eye dominant but shoot a bow right handed ( a gun left handed) . Anyway , for whatever reasons it happened , I must have 'pulled' my release and the damned arrow nailed him at the base of his antler...and he took off with a new aluminum antenna !!!! Oh man was I upset... but it was a srew up , not planned.... *censored* happens....lol
Emmett D. Wortman Again, I do not believe we are taking about accidents here, we are talking intentional shot placement.
Emmett D. Wortman I am only going to say that a 15 minute or so search of the net reveals that head shots are unethical in what appears to be a VAST majority of ethical hunters.
Emmett D. Wortman From long time outdoor writer Chuck Hawks:
Emmett D. Wortman Do not attempt brain shots (or head shots of any kind). The brain is very small and animals constantly move and turn their heads, even when they are standing still. Do not attempt neck shots. The neck is large, but the spinal cord inside is small and difficult to sever. Both brain and neck shots are deadly if perfectly executed, as they shut down the central nervous system, but if the bullet is off only an inch or two the animal is very likely to escape and be lost, only to die hours or days later.
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 11, 2014, 10:26:27 PM
I'm not sure where you have read posts that they are "taken this way all the time" other than on anti-hunting sites. Responsible hunters know this; you very well should know this; and bringing it up in a public forum is only an attempt to incite a reaction. I suggest thinking before typing in cases like this.
Seems from previous posts that this is the intent of this OP. :dunno:
If the group page, Blacktail hunting is an anti-hunting page I would really like to know.
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 11, 2014, 10:32:11 PM
Interestingly, the OP hasn't been back to respond to any allegations that he had other than good intentions, when starting this thread...
If I found myself being accused of something, that I wasn't guilty of, you'd best bet I'd be responding, forthwith! However, if I were being accused of something, that I WAS guilty of, I'd probably be feeling ashamed, and not likely to respond as quickly...
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 11, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
Sort of like long range hunting?
How about you read what my long range hunting is and then make comments like that. out of a backpack burning leather not shooting long distances. It is good that you assume though which makes total sense, you are a sitka blacktail.
Post by: jackelope on December 12, 2014, 07:52:51 AM
Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
FACEBOOK PAGE : BLACKTAIL DEER HUNTING ( the original one, a HOWTOHUNT.com chapter)
It will show the trail cam video of the buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. Read the comments below and you will see that there are those that advocate taking head shots with their bow.
Dave Tunstall I don't think anyone would intentionally try a headshot with a bow. At least, I sure hope not. It should be clear that there's not enough energy to make a lethal wound. I'm assuming (hoping) it was just a REALLY bad shot.
Dylan Webb It can be done you just have to be a man about it and draw at least 70 pounds.
John Cooper Yeah ^ my buddies dad killed a bull elk by a head shot so it can be done and lethal too
Dylan Webb I've seen "on TV" a guy kill a Grizzly with an archery head shot.
Joseph Mark Still a stupid idea.
Emmett D. Wortman Lethal, it is possible, but, VERY, UNETHICAL AND IMPRACTICAL.
Dorian Buhler Stupid.
Dylan Webb Only if you miss
Brandon Mauseth Yes can be done but y take the chance??? Just plain stupid
Brad Molash Lmao.really? Be man about it and make an ethical shot for christ sakes
Emmett D. Wortman Dylan Webb, you can read any professional literature and this a very unethic shot. If it is to save your life and it is a last resort, maybe.
Austin Powell Depend who u are. If u think its a good shot take it. If u don't like the shot then simply don't shoot. If I think its ethical to shoot one in the knee and u don't....who are u to stop me
Brandon Mauseth Lmao!!! Just watch the vid it's not a good shot and anyone should not be proud of it!!!!
Emmett D. Wortman With a bow any one who thinks it is ethical is an idiot.
Gary Pendergast Late season archery is killing off the great bucks guys but you are destroying the herds!
Brad Molash If you think a head shot with a bow is ethical ur a bonehead and shouldn't be hunting with one
Austin Powell If it dies it clearly an ethical shot
Tyson Jamesew Healon The i ideas a quick clean kill.. With no suffering to the animal.. I promise that buck was in some real pain.
Brandon Sullivan Hey, brad do you thing the clackamas will have catchable nuber of fish next week if its not blown out?
Ryan Clark Not saying how I feel about this, but plenty of animals get away no matter where you aim to shoot. To me this is no different then seeing a buck with an arrow in the body that lived.
Cory McCall I've take three deer , two pigs now with head shots but would never try from the side of the head just head on. Drops them in there tracks
Emmett D. Wortman Austin Powell, that is not logical thinking. Just because the shot kills, does not mean it is ethical. That is like saying the average hunter should take a 500 yard shot and if it kills, it's fine. What about the times it does not kill and you end up with a wounded animal?
Jack G Friend I bet that hurt when he was in tight brush.
Jonathan Vandervelden Head moves to much, kill zone to small, very painfull and slow death and it looks horrible for archery hunters and give them a bad name if people see deer with arrows sticking out I there heads
Jay Graves Somebody killed that deer. It was on one of these other pages.
Joseph Mark Wyatt Sebright you gotta see some of this
Jack G Friend Is that string on the front fork too?
Beau Moody Michael Johnson
Greg van Loo Hopefully doesn't kill him when he hits it on something
Brad Molash LmaoBrandon Sullivan, very fishy:)
Austin Powell Emmet and joseph I am a hunter. And don't even try to deny that u haven't shot an animal with no recovery. Cause if u do ur jusll bull headed. *censored* happens when ur in the woods. And I never said I liked knee shots. I said if I did than that my prefence I can shoot how I want
Emmett D. Wortman And you are right, you can take whatever idiotic, stupid, UNETHICAL shot you want.
Austin Powell Well either way. If I intentional aim for the for head and it quickly turns its head and I don't hit it good. Nothing I could do about that
Austin Powell Head shot is an easy shot
Emmett D. Wortman Other than shoot the vital area and potentially get a good shot. The more you talk Austin, honestly, the more you prove you should not handle a weapon.
Austin Powell Y cause I could kill a deer by shooting it in the head. Sound like a good marksman to me
John Vaughn Take out the pump station everything stops fast and ethical.
Joseph Mark Austin you just proved why you shouldn't shoot at the head. The more you talk the deeper you get ahha.
Austin Powell Joseph if I shoot any were at a deer and it moves my shot could be thrown off. Abd if that's the case no one should hunt
Matt Fowler I have shot a deer in the head before, was a great shot didn't blood shot any meat and the animal was in zero pain. So I honestly have nothing bad to say with head shots if u can get a good shot
Matt Fowler Uhh idk the shot would have to be absolutely perfect for me to even thing about it but idk if I even would then
John Vaughn I am sooooooo glad I was tought how to hunt by a wise man who tought me hunting ethics with rifle and bow, not by a hotshot trying to prove himself to his friends.
Nick Birddog Liday Here's the thing, I have respect for the wild game that I chase and kill. And as a hunter that respect obligates me to place an ethical shot that will end the animals life as quickly and efficiently as possible. You argue with that point and you've just dunce capped yourselves. Enjoy the evening.
Julien Dickie I just seen this guy mounted. Thankfully someone put him out of his misery.
Justin McClaughry 70lb draw alone ain't gonna cut it... HEAVY ARROW HEAVY BROADHEAD AND A BOW THAT CAN BE SHOT AT IBO SPEEDS BY A GANGLY TALL GUY. if your not putting KINETIC ENERGY down range you better just take a seat and let the rest of us do the bow hunting
Nick Birddog Liday Hrrrm 60 lbs won't cut through the chest and fillet the heart for me? I better get back in the gym!
Nick Birddog Liday they do! I deleted that cause I didn't want to be so mean, but in light of your humorous response I should've left it!
John Vaughn Wait I'm short with a short draw 80 lb should work lol need the power for them tough pump stations.
Justin McClaughry Lol... I'm just saying that if your gonna think your arrow is a bone smasher you'd better had done the calculations to know your Kinetic energy,
Nick Birddog Liday No in all honesty I read your comment wrong. I completely agree. Don't take shots you can't confidently know are going to ethically kill your game.
Randy Bonner This is why anytime I hear some *censored* about "Hunt with a bow, give the deer a chance!" I ask them "A chance for what? Do you have any idea what the hell you're talking about?"
Justin McClaughry Headshots can be done on deer with a bow, BUT it takes a very high speed bow slingin around 550+grains to GUARANTEE that it'll be successful. Brass inserts FOR SURE!
Justin McClaughry I know a lot of rifle hunters who screw up and wound animals too, only difference they did it 200yds away
Emmett D. Wortman Still think it's BS, but I will do more research.
Justin McClaughry Actually if someone does the actual research on it I'd love to see the results for needed kinetic energy.
Sean Marston NEVER shoot a bow at at a deer in the head. Jesus *censored*. Don't get me wrong, I shot a pig in the head at 40 yards, square between the eyes, and luckily it worked, it was more of a test since pigs are more like rats to me, but I would never try that on a deer.
Sean Marston Kinetic energy is a huge factor, but I feel the biggest is the angle. I wouldn't have tried the shot on the pig if his head was up.
Anything different then a 90 degree the arrow is gonna connect and be thrown off course. *censored*, a tall blade of grass throws arrows off it's mark. There's too much room for error to even attempt it on a deer.
Joshua Foster Any living animal should get equal respect when out harvesting them.
My first comment wasnt aimed at you sean.
Sean Marston I didn't think it was. Ha I was just adding after thinking about it more.
Steve Isdahl sometimes '*censored* happens' and what may 'look' was a planned headshot , may not really be what happened ! I remember years ago when I was around 18 I finally had a crack at a monster blacktail I had been after for a while. The adrenaline was over load to say the least !! At the time , I shot bare bow ( no sites) and a finger tab and as well I am left eye dominant but shoot a bow right handed ( a gun left handed) . Anyway , for whatever reasons it happened , I must have 'pulled' my release and the damned arrow nailed him at the base of his antler...and he took off with a new aluminum antenna !!!! Oh man was I upset... but it was a srew up , not planned.... *censored* happens....lol
Emmett D. Wortman Again, I do not believe we are taking about accidents here, we are talking intentional shot placement.
Emmett D. Wortman I am only going to say that a 15 minute or so search of the net reveals that head shots are unethical in what appears to be a VAST majority of ethical hunters.
Emmett D. Wortman From long time outdoor writer Chuck Hawks:
Emmett D. Wortman Do not attempt brain shots (or head shots of any kind). The brain is very small and animals constantly move and turn their heads, even when they are standing still. Do not attempt neck shots. The neck is large, but the spinal cord inside is small and difficult to sever. Both brain and neck shots are deadly if perfectly executed, as they shut down the central nervous system, but if the bullet is off only an inch or two the animal is very likely to escape and be lost, only to die hours or days later.
If this is your indicator of this sort of thing happening "all the time", I think you've got some more reading to do. You might consider reading more before establishing your opinions and/or concerns. 1 post on a Facebook page or a youtube video or 2 shouldn't be enough to establish a basis for techniques used.
It's kinda like you're trying to pit user groups against each other with these posts. I suspect that's not your intent. I suspect you're a younger guy, and you're learning. If I'm wrong, let me know.
1 last thing....
You also might consider changing your username to something other than longrangehunter... if you're not in fact a long range hunter.
Post by: Mudman on December 12, 2014, 08:06:21 AM
Post by: h20hunter on December 12, 2014, 08:11:49 AM
Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.
Sort of like long range hunting?
How about you read what my long range hunting is and then make comments like that. out of a backpack burning leather not shooting long distances. It is good that you assume though which makes total sense, you are a sitka blacktail.
"You are a sitka blacktail"
Wth? Some kind of insult? Mr. Longrange you have many people confused here. You appear to simply start threads to stir things up. For example your baiting thread shows two YouTube links that are the most extreme cases of people baiting, no...feeding, pet deer. They are not hunting and do not show hunters that ethically bait deer. Since you mentioned your "explanation thread" you appear to be very concerned about proving and going to great lenghts to post and prove your opinions. You are a bit of a flip-flopper and appear.....appear being the key word to illustrate our collective opinions of your posts....to simply post for the purpose of causing a ruckus. Then, when questioned you throw soft insults and act insulted.
Post by: Netminder01 on December 12, 2014, 08:25:36 AM
You're posts lately make me wonder whether or not you are in favor of hunting at all.
:yeah:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 12, 2014, 08:29:46 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on December 12, 2014, 08:38:12 AM
Post by: _TONY_ on December 12, 2014, 09:12:20 AM
Post by: Gobble on December 12, 2014, 09:21:07 AM
Interestingly, the OP hasn't been back to respond to any allegations that he had other than good intentions, when starting this thread...
If I found myself being accused of something, that I wasn't guilty of, you'd best bet I'd be responding, forthwith! However, if I were being accused of something, that I WAS guilty of, I'd probably be feeling ashamed, and not likely to respond as quickly...
Bueller? Bueller? Bueller??????
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on December 12, 2014, 10:16:30 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on December 12, 2014, 11:43:40 AM
Post by: RadSav on December 12, 2014, 11:51:33 AM
Like I already said. Facebook is full of fakes. Most of the people saying they've heard of this from there brothers cousin have never set foot in the field. That's why they mostly refer to the friend of a friend that took a head shot. and the guys whoy say they have done it are probably liars or ignorant. Its only when you come to a real hunting site that the users acutally hunt. You can make a quick look at this thread and see not many hunters take that chance
Just look at the posts of guys shooting pigs in the head straight on...Yeah right!!! Maybe out of a treestand with his head down feeding you could get lucky on a pig. Straight on from the ground is about as close to impossible as an archery shot gets. Elk and deer follow that by only a small degree. Facebook, like most of the internet is filled with wannabes and dreamers!!
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 13, 2014, 10:25:21 AM
You all crack me up. Everyone taking my name literally made me a long range hunter. I mean if that is what it says, must be. So a name like sitka blacktail, I will take it literally and think you are a crazy smart blacktail that has access to a computer.
Facebook like it or not is a public forum just as this one is. To claim without knowing everyone on that fb page as well as this forum that people are fake on that page is a fallacy.
I was asked for proof of feeding deer, youtube, facebook, those videos are of real life wild deer conditioned to people feeding them. All those videos meant to show is that just like Ivan Pavlov and his dogs, animals can be conditioned.
gobble gobble gobble- great to see you are not trying to just stur things up.
No problem, I will load up a few hundred 168 gr hpbt and start shooting out to a 1000 yards since that is what everyone thinks I do.
This is great conversation though and you are right, i have to make sure my stance is known so here it is. I am against baiting/feeding, ME personally against it HOWEVER if other hunters want to do that, go right on doing it.
If you think age brings knowledge or some how deserves respect based on their own opinions, I will ask this forum what is a "hunter". There are a lot of pros in the media, of all ages and genders. The young female who came under fire for killing a lion. I guess she is too young to know anything? Melissa bachman, under fire for killing a lion as well. Eva shockey for killing a bear in NC. Those 3 ladies have done more hunting than most on this forum and are half the age. I guess they dont know anything. Wolves thread for example, people (HUNTERS) are questioned about their validity as a hunter as soon as they post something that others disagree with. That is how the bay of pigs SNAFU happened, everyone agreeing with everyone. In case you have not noticed, I do not agree with what everyone says. I'm man enough to say, I misspoke in my original post stating,," deer and elk are taken this way all the time" my own opinion, any big game being taken intentionally with a head shot with archery equipment is irresponsible. Same with those that shoot at running game animals and say they practice shooting at running game(moving targets) which is why they are able to do this. It was also stated they would go hunting with an semi auto so they could get more shots off.
Now after all that said, have at me gentlemen and ladies.
Post by: stevemiller on December 13, 2014, 11:02:45 AM
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 13, 2014, 05:58:30 PM
Nothing to explain- the entire comment:
" same guys complain when they don't catch anything except trash. I cannot wait until there are no more fish and game to catch and hunt" I guess you are not fluent in sarcasm.
So you agree with guys going out and shooting up hunting areas with others around them trying to call in waterfowl?
Post by: stevemiller on December 13, 2014, 06:06:10 PM
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 13, 2014, 08:42:20 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 13, 2014, 08:54:19 PM
Haha roflmao, watching me, where I dont see you. You got me I'm PETA proud. Being part of the group of people who eat tasty animals is a great group. :chuckle:Do you eat brain soup ? :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 14, 2014, 01:56:05 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on December 14, 2014, 06:47:26 AM
Says the guy who took an 87 yard shot at a running deer
Dude. :chuckle: That deer died in the cut. I didn't flip the arrow cause I was desperate. I shot cause I was confident. My bow has the same velocity as a 100 grain .243, just ask rad, he told me so. Bloodshot a lot more meat though. Even at 87.5 yards. I've heard story's of a certain significant other taking LONG Shots too... Let's make this an ethics thread we don't have enough of that. Or even better a long shot w the bow thread. I want to hear what's the longest us archery hunters have KILLED an animal. Rad I'll let you start. :chuckle:
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 15, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
The fastest current bows are the market top out between 360s to 370s feet per second. The fastest crossbows top out at 415-420 feet per second. That is just the speed, actual kenetic energy onto the target is far less than that. I would very much like to know how you have an archery setup shooting over 2000 feet per second.
Post by: lokidog on December 15, 2014, 12:26:53 PM
243 MV is 2960 give or take a few feet per second.
The fastest current bows are the market top out between 360s to 370s feet per second. The fastest crossbows top out at 415-420 feet per second. That is just the speed, actual kenetic energy onto the target is far less than that. I would very much like to know how you have an archery setup shooting over 2000 feet per second.
More brain soup I guess...... :chuckle:
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 15, 2014, 12:33:18 PM
243 MV is 2960 give or take a few feet per second.
The fastest current bows are the market top out between 360s to 370s feet per second. The fastest crossbows top out at 415-420 feet per second. That is just the speed, actual kenetic energy onto the target is far less than that. I would very much like to know how you have an archery setup shooting over 2000 feet per second.
More brain soup I guess...... :chuckle:
As long as you are learning something, I will keep on teaching :chuckle:
Post by: lokidog on December 15, 2014, 12:35:06 PM
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 15, 2014, 12:39:20 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 16, 2014, 07:09:30 AM
Says the guy who took an 87 yard shot at a running deer
Dude. :chuckle: That deer died in the cut. I didn't flip the arrow cause I was desperate. I shot cause I was confident. My bow has the same velocity as a 100 grain .243, just ask rad, he told me so. Bloodshot a lot more meat though. Even at 87.5 yards. I've heard story's of a certain significant other taking LONG Shots too... Let's make this an ethics thread we don't have enough of that. Or even better a long shot w the bow thread. I want to hear what's the longest us archery hunters have KILLED an animal. Rad I'll let you start. :chuckle:
I'll bite, 67 yards on a coyote.
Longest shot on a buck, 43 yards.
Longest (only) elk ~7 feet
Shouldn't it be the other way around :o
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on December 16, 2014, 08:15:57 AM
243 MV is 2960 give or take a few feet per second.
The fastest current bows are the market top out between 360s to 370s feet per second. The fastest crossbows top out at 415-420 feet per second. That is just the speed, actual kenetic energy onto the target is far less than that. I would very much like to know how you have an archery setup shooting over 2000 feet per second.
Fps means nothing. 100 lb ft ke is where it's at. My arrows are lead. Actually pure carbon with a little brass.
Says the guy who took an 87 yard shot at a running deer
Dude. :chuckle: That deer died in the cut. I didn't flip the arrow cause I was desperate. I shot cause I was confident. My bow has the same velocity as a 100 grain .243, just ask rad, he told me so. Bloodshot a lot more meat though. Even at 87.5 yards. I've heard story's of a certain significant other taking LONG Shots too... Let's make this an ethics thread we don't have enough of that. Or even better a long shot w the bow thread. I want to hear what's the longest us archery hunters have KILLED an animal. Rad I'll let you start. :chuckle:
I'll bite, 67 yards on a coyote.
Longest shot on a buck, 43 yards.
Longest (only) elk ~7 feet
Shouldn't it be the other way around :o
Yeah seems backwards. Did you hit the yote in the head? :chuckle:
Post by: sirmissalot on December 16, 2014, 08:55:46 AM
It's gettin deep in here!
Farthest shot on an elk for me was this year, a follow up shot on a bull at 64 yards
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftapatalk.imageshack.com%2Fv2%2F14%2F12%2F16%2F64481fce3246ce9beea4f27c660e0afe.jpg&hash=73e5be6412a1e998b35deebb29b35a88670cf1e5)
34 yards on a deer
Around 30 yards on a bear, no time to range
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 16, 2014, 05:02:25 PM
243 MV is 2960 give or take a few feet per second.
The fastest current bows are the market top out between 360s to 370s feet per second. The fastest crossbows top out at 415-420 feet per second. That is just the speed, actual kenetic energy onto the target is far less than that. I would very much like to know how you have an archery setup shooting over 2000 feet per second.
Fps means nothing. 100 lb ft ke is where it's at. My arrows are lead. Actually pure carbon with a little brass.Says the guy who took an 87 yard shot at a running deer
Dude. :chuckle: That deer died in the cut. I didn't flip the arrow cause I was desperate. I shot cause I was confident. My bow has the same velocity as a 100 grain .243, just ask rad, he told me so. Bloodshot a lot more meat though. Even at 87.5 yards. I've heard story's of a certain significant other taking LONG Shots too... Let's make this an ethics thread we don't have enough of that. Or even better a long shot w the bow thread. I want to hear what's the longest us archery hunters have KILLED an animal. Rad I'll let you start. :chuckle:
I'll bite, 67 yards on a coyote.
Longest shot on a buck, 43 yards.
Longest (only) elk ~7 feet
Shouldn't it be the other way around :o
Yeah seems backwards. Did you hit the yote in the head? :chuckle:
Nope, double lunged him and watched him tilt over after about 100 yards.
Post by: irishevox on December 17, 2014, 07:35:15 AM
Step away from the YouTube. You're posts lately make me wonder whether or not you are in favor of hunting at all. What is the point you are trying to make with this thread? 1st you attempt to put a black eye on hunters that use bait, now it seems as though you're attempting to start drama with the bowhunting community. I'd challenge you to find a single archery hunter in this online hunting community of several thousand members who takes head shots with archery tackle "all the time". I'd almost think you'd find very few if any that say they'd take that shot at all.I agree with Jackelope 110% on this :yeah:
Rather than throw stones at your fellow hunters, try standing together with them.
Post by: Jellymon on December 17, 2014, 08:00:02 AM
243 MV is 2960 give or take a few feet per second.
The fastest current bows are the market top out between 360s to 370s feet per second. The fastest crossbows top out at 415-420 feet per second. That is just the speed, actual kenetic energy onto the target is far less than that. I would very much like to know how you have an archery setup shooting over 2000 feet per second.
Fps means nothing. 100 lb ft ke is where it's at. My arrows are lead. Actually pure carbon with a little brass.Says the guy who took an 87 yard shot at a running deer
Dude. :chuckle: That deer died in the cut. I didn't flip the arrow cause I was desperate. I shot cause I was confident. My bow has the same velocity as a 100 grain .243, just ask rad, he told me so. Bloodshot a lot more meat though. Even at 87.5 yards. I've heard story's of a certain significant other taking LONG Shots too... Let's make this an ethics thread we don't have enough of that. Or even better a long shot w the bow thread. I want to hear what's the longest us archery hunters have KILLED an animal. Rad I'll let you start. :chuckle:
I'll bite, 67 yards on a coyote.
Longest shot on a buck, 43 yards.
Longest (only) elk ~7 feet
Shouldn't it be the other way around :o
Yeah seems backwards. Did you hit the yote in the head? :chuckle:
100 ft lbs of KE? That's only about 50-90 ft lbs LESS than a .22 long rifle! SMOKIN!! :chuckle:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on December 17, 2014, 08:08:38 AM
I can't make this stuff up people. 100.7 to be exact.
Post by: irishevox on December 17, 2014, 08:13:51 AM
^^^^ FASTER! at about 370 FPS
Post by: CoryTDF on December 17, 2014, 08:46:36 AM
Post by: irishevox on December 17, 2014, 08:58:42 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on December 17, 2014, 09:39:46 AM
Post by: Tbar on December 17, 2014, 09:54:44 AM
I already said FPS means nothing! :chuckle: I cant even find where PSE advertises The KE of the full throttle. Probably cause its less than 100.7.... :dunno: My bow knocks animals down at 90 yards so it might be a little over kill but shortens the blood trail.Your bow has the same KE as a. 243? At any range? Are you a betting man? :chuckle:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on December 17, 2014, 10:04:18 AM
I already said FPS means nothing! :chuckle: I cant even find where PSE advertises The KE of the full throttle. Probably cause its less than 100.7.... :dunno: My bow knocks animals down at 90 yards so it might be a little over kill but shortens the blood trail.Your bow has the same KE as a. 243? At any range? Are you a betting man? :chuckle:
No. Your way off. I was being sarcastic when I said rad told me so....
http://cpw.state.co.us/PublishingImages/Hunting/ElkHuntingUniversity/EHU-CH2/Ballistics.jpg (http://cpw.state.co.us/PublishingImages/Hunting/ElkHuntingUniversity/EHU-CH2/Ballistics.jpg)
I got all day guys...
Post by: irishevox on December 17, 2014, 10:09:56 AM
I already said FPS means nothing! :chuckle: I cant even find where PSE advertises The KE of the full throttle. Probably cause its less than 100.7.... :dunno: My bow knocks animals down at 90 yards so it might be a little over kill but shortens the blood trail.Your bow has the same KE as a. 243? At any range? Are you a betting man? :chuckle:
I can bet he won't bet.... he is probably researching right now
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on December 17, 2014, 10:16:21 AM