Post by: Rich_S on December 17, 2014, 10:55:36 AM
Why go to the trouble of turning it into a wildcat? Regular .284 ammunition is hard to come by as it is.
Post by: fastdam on December 17, 2014, 10:59:29 AM
Post by: Bill W on December 17, 2014, 11:55:55 AM
I know that at one time I owned 2 Model 70 .264 Mag Westerners and one Remington 700 Classic limited edition. Now I only have the Model 70's.
Bill
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2014, 12:11:58 PM
Post by: jjhunter on December 17, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Post by: Rich_S on December 17, 2014, 03:31:58 PM
Because a 6.5 142gr Sierra MK or a 140 Berger VLD from a 6.5-284 will walk all over anything you can stuff in a .284 Winchester. . .
What do you mean by "walk all over . . ."?
Post by: timberfaller on December 17, 2014, 03:56:57 PM
Different strokes for different folks.
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2014, 04:38:19 PM
Quite a few guys running .284 win the 180s. Pretty solid combo could probably edge a 6.5/140 combo.
Check the speed on a 180gr out of a .284 Win. Do the math and let me know. :tup:
Post by: whacker1 on December 17, 2014, 04:51:16 PM
and maybe 3000fps 140 out of 6.5x284
Probably faster depending on the load?
Post by: Rich_S on December 17, 2014, 04:53:08 PM
Quite a few guys running .284 win the 180s. Pretty solid combo could probably edge a 6.5/140 combo.
Check the speed on a 180gr out of a .284 Win. Do the math and let me know. :tup:
Are you saying that the faster a bullet goes, the "better" it is? I still have no idea what "walk all over" means in English. Please elaborate.
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2014, 05:09:39 PM
Post by: whacker1 on December 17, 2014, 05:16:16 PM
Quite a few guys running .284 win the 180s. Pretty solid combo could probably edge a 6.5/140 combo.
Check the speed on a 180gr out of a .284 Win. Do the math and let me know. :tup:
Are you saying that the faster a bullet goes, the "better" it is? I still have no idea what "walk all over" means in English. Please elaborate.
For me, yes faster is better. 140 is light recoil and at 2900-3100 fps plenty fast. decent, b.c. in 6.5, so it bucks the wind pretty well. It is a pretty popular wildcat for a reason.
Post by: Jolten on December 17, 2014, 05:22:26 PM
By Chuck Hawks
Winchester introduced the .284 in 1963. Their intention was to duplicate .270 Winchester ballistics in a cartridge short enough to function through Winchester's short action Model 88 lever and Model 100 semi-automatic rifles. The .284 was a commercial flop from the outset. Today it is almost obsolete, replaced in most hunter's affections by the later 7mm-08 Remington.
Oddly, the greatest interest in the .284 case has come from wildcatters, who have gleefully necked it up and down. Today, the most popular and useful .284-case based cartridge is not the original, but rather the 6.5mm-284 Norma. This former wildcat rules F-Class long range competition.
As I write this the only remaining Winchester factory load drives a 150 grain Power Point bullet at a MV of 2860 fps and ME of 2724 ft. lbs. from a 24" test barrel. At 200 yards the figures are 2344 fps and 1830 ft. lbs. The Winchester trajectory figures look like this: +2.1" at 100 yards, 0 at 200 yards, -3.4" at 250 yards, and -8.5" at 300 yards.
These ballistics make it clear that the .284 is still every bit as good as the .280 Remington with the same weight bullet. Of course the short, handy mountain rifles for which the .284 seems best suited seldom come with 24" barrels. As far as I know, aside from Winchester, no other major company has ever loaded factory ammunition for the .284.
According to the second edition of the Sierra Reloading Manual their sleek 140 grain boat-tail spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2400 fps by 46.3 grains of IMR 4350 powder, and 2900 fps by 54.9 grains of IMR 4350. At a MV of 2900 fps this bullet has ME of 2614 ft. lbs. At 200 yards the figures are 2524 fps and 1981 ft. lbs. The trajectory of that load looks like this: +3" at 100 yards, +2.7" at 200 yards, +0.6" at 250 yards, -2.9" at 300 yards, and -8" at 350 yards. Clearly, with this bullet the .284 Winchester is a good 300 yard deer, antelope, sheep, and goat cartridge.
Post by: whacker1 on December 17, 2014, 05:24:01 PM
one source:
142 smk with a .595 BC at 3050 according to some data, so it should buck the wind pretty well
Nosler lists 6.5x284 Norma
140 accubond at .509 BC at 2769-2953 fps.
284
Nosler lists a 175 grain at .519 BC at 2511-2641 fps depending on powder
So a better balistic coefficient moving at 500 fps faster....It seems like a pretty good deal to me. I don't own one, but i have explored options in a build for one, and always intrigued by the concept.
Post by: Jolten on December 17, 2014, 05:25:08 PM
The 6.5mm-284 (a wildcat) when loaded with an appropriate bullet is a good hunting cartridge, but presents no advantage over more readily available cartridges. As Chuck Hawks has pointed out: “With the SAAMI standardized .260 Remington, 6.5mm Rem. Mag. and immensely popular .270 Winchester all being factory loaded in the U.S., it is a little hard to see just where the 6.5mm-284 . . . fits into the modern scheme of things (for hunting) in North America.” If you are looking for a magnum caliber for hunting, the .257 Weatherby and .270 Weatherby are hard to beat in the Vanguard rifle.
Seems Chuck hawk prefers the standard 284
Post by: whacker1 on December 17, 2014, 05:28:05 PM
BiggerHammer - have you built one yet?
Post by: coachcw on December 17, 2014, 05:28:42 PM
The bullet diameter has nothing to do with accuracy. I'm guessing the reason to go 6.5 would be to take advantage of speed gains and a better BC.not true in wind the slender 6.5 140 bullet performs fabulously. my 6.5 shoots 3147 fps with the 140 vlds out of a 30 inch pipe with a break . basically zero recoil and you see impact down range through the scope . the downfall is they are barrel burners if you plan on only running 1500 rounds through it in it's life the 6.5 rocks. if you do rebarrl the one you have leave it a bit long and you can rechamber it down the road and not loose the performance.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 17, 2014, 05:30:58 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2014, 05:44:23 PM
I am waiting to see more builds in the 6.5x300 RUM.
BiggerHammer - have you built one yet?
I built a 6.5 Badger, 6.5-.338 Ultra Magnum with a 40 degree shoulder. In the pic bellow, left to right.
.338 RUM case, 6.5 Badger with a 160gr Matrix VLD, .375 BME with a 350gr Sierra MK, 6.5-.284 case
Yorke has also built a 6.5 Badger and the .375 BME(Box Monkey Express) is Yorke's creation.
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Post by: RadSav on December 17, 2014, 05:58:25 PM
Kiwi "Grant Lovelock" (True-Flite barrels) seems to be doing well with the 180 from the 284. Said it was his choice because of the improved performance in wind compared to the 6.5. For deer hunting I think you get a little better terminal performance from the 129/130 grain velocity of the 6.5 while having a better BC than the 140 grain .284. I'd rather have the 284 for an elk hunt, but would not feel too under gunned if I had a 6.5 in my hands. Both great cartridges. Just wish you could get some darn 284 stamped brass more than once every decade. Would make my next project a lot easier decision.
Post by: Rich_S on December 17, 2014, 06:28:13 PM
My Model 88, with 139-140 grain bullets clocks in at just over 3,000 fps and throws groups just under 1 moa if I do my job (not likely these days). I have four or five hundred factory and reloaded rounds in my locker, enough for a lifetime of shooting. You'll have to deal with my son and daughter after I'm gone, 'cause I'm not selling any now.
Anyway, thanks for the conversation. To me it looks like another "fad" wildcat load. Until the next one. If I need speed, I'll load my .300 Win. Mag. with sabots and .22 boolits. :hello:
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2014, 06:36:44 PM
So, to me it seems the concensus is that the 6.5 - .284 is a current favorite on the target range while, for actual use as a hunting rifle, the standard .284 Winchester is as good as the guy behind the trigger. BTW, I wasn't looking for smart ass answers like, "I think you'll figure it out." I was genuinely curious what all the hoopla was about. I'm not a current subscriber to magazines and thought perhaps the good people here on the forum could help.
My Model 88, with 139-140 grain bullets clocks in at just over 3,000 fps and throws groups just under 1 moa if I do my job (not likely these days). I have four or five hundred factory and reloaded rounds in my locker, enough for a lifetime of shooting. You'll have to deal with my son and daughter after I'm gone, 'cause I'm not selling any now.
Anyway, thanks for the conversation. To me it looks like another "fad" wildcat load. Until the next one. If I need speed, I'll load my .300 Win. Mag. with sabots and .22 boolits. :hello:
It wasn't smart ass, a little home work will take a guy a long ways. The 6.5-.284 is far beyond a "Fad" wildcat cartridge. Norma and Lapua make quality brass for it. Along with several other manufacturers.
Factory loaded ammunition is available also.
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimensionids=9926 (http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimensionids=9926)
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/794750/hornady-reloading-brass-65mm-284-norma-box-of-50 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/794750/hornady-reloading-brass-65mm-284-norma-box-of-50)
http://www.nosler.com/65-284-norma/ (http://www.nosler.com/65-284-norma/)
Post by: mountainman on December 17, 2014, 06:40:24 PM
So, to me it seems the concensus is that the 6.5 - .284 is a current favorite on the target range while, for actual use as a hunting rifle, the standard .284 Winchester is as good as the guy behind the trigger. BTW, I wasn't looking for smart ass answers like, "I think you'll figure it out." I was genuinely curious what all the hoopla was about. I'm not a current subscriber to magazines and thought perhaps the good people here on the forum could help.:tup:
My Model 88, with 139-140 grain bullets clocks in at just over 3,000 fps and throws groups just under 1 moa if I do my job (not likely these days). I have four or five hundred factory and reloaded rounds in my locker, enough for a lifetime of shooting. You'll have to deal with my son and daughter after I'm gone, 'cause I'm not selling any now.
Anyway, thanks for the conversation. To me it looks like another "fad" wildcat load. Until the next one. If I need speed, I'll load my .300 Win. Mag. with sabots and .22 boolits. :hello:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 17, 2014, 06:47:03 PM
So, to me it seems the concensus is that the 6.5 - .284 is a current favorite on the target range while, for actual use as a hunting rifle, the standard .284 Winchester is as good as the guy behind the trigger. BTW, I wasn't looking for smart ass answers like, "I think you'll figure it out." I was genuinely curious what all the hoopla was about. I'm not a current subscriber to magazines and thought perhaps the good people here on the forum could help.
My Model 88, with 139-140 grain bullets clocks in at just over 3,000 fps and throws groups just under 1 moa if I do my job (not likely these days). I have four or five hundred factory and reloaded rounds in my locker, enough for a lifetime of shooting. You'll have to deal with my son and daughter after I'm gone, 'cause I'm not selling any now.
Anyway, thanks for the conversation. To me it looks like another "fad" wildcat load. Until the next one. If I need speed, I'll load my .300 Win. Mag. with sabots and .22 boolits. :hello:
A "fad" wildcat round that's been around for 40 years?
Post by: jjhunter on December 17, 2014, 06:54:54 PM
Quite a few guys running .284 win the 180s. Pretty solid combo could probably edge a 6.5/140 combo.
Check the speed on a 180gr out of a .284 Win. Do the math and let me know. :tup:
Checked the speed and did the math. I've run a 284/180 combo at 2900-ish. I've also run 6.5x284s/140s from 2900-3050. Both great combos - one is not leaps and bounds ahead of the other if set up right. In optimal set-ups, id take the 284.
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2014, 07:12:29 PM
Quite a few guys running .284 win the 180s. Pretty solid combo could probably edge a 6.5/140 combo.
Check the speed on a 180gr out of a .284 Win. Do the math and let me know. :tup:
Checked the speed and did the math. I've run a 284/180 combo at 2900-ish. I've also run 6.5x284s/140s from 2900-3050. Both great combos - one is not leaps and bounds ahead of the other if set up right. In optimal set-ups, id take the 284.
No problem for a 7mm Magnum to push a 180 at 2900. As for the .284 Win and a 180 at 2900?? I would have to see that for myself on the chrony. I suspect it's south of "2900 ISH" by a ways. Unless we are talking "Optimal set-ups" and 30" plus barrels.
Post by: jjhunter on December 17, 2014, 07:17:27 PM
Quite a few guys running .284 win the 180s. Pretty solid combo could probably edge a 6.5/140 combo.
Check the speed on a 180gr out of a .284 Win. Do the math and let me know. :tup:
Checked the speed and did the math. I've run a 284/180 combo at 2900-ish. I've also run 6.5x284s/140s from 2900-3050. Both great combos - one is not leaps and bounds ahead of the other if set up right. In optimal set-ups, id take the 284.
No problem for a 7mm Magnum to push a 180 at 2900. As for the .284 Win and a 180 at 2900?? I would have to see that for myself on the chrony. I suspect it's south of "2900 ISH" by a ways. Unless we are talking "Optimal set-ups" and 30" plus barrels.
I only shoot optimal set-ups. Lol!
Post by: Bofire on December 17, 2014, 07:19:17 PM
Carl
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 07:27:42 PM
Quite a few guys running .284 win the 180s. Pretty solid combo could probably edge a 6.5/140 combo.
Check the speed on a 180gr out of a .284 Win. Do the math and let me know. :tup:
Checked the speed and did the math. I've run a 284/180 combo at 2900-ish. I've also run 6.5x284s/140s from 2900-3050. Both great combos - one is not leaps and bounds ahead of the other if set up right. In optimal set-ups, id take the 284.
No problem for a 7mm Magnum to push a 180 at 2900. As for the .284 Win and a 180 at 2900?? I would have to see that for myself on the chrony. I suspect it's south of "2900 ISH" by a ways. Unless we are talking "Optimal set-ups" and 30" plus barrels.
No way in hell a 284 is pushin a 180@2900... Both chamberings setup for long range are gonna need a long action with bullets used for such, use a 280ai or 6.5/06ai and 26" snouts. Gonna run 28"-30" snouts shoot your 6.5 stw, badger, nosler or 7 stw, rogue, 7/375 Ruger etc... Kind of a no brainer in book..
Post by: jjhunter on December 17, 2014, 07:32:44 PM
Post by: mountainman on December 17, 2014, 07:33:54 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 07:35:12 PM
Post by: jjhunter on December 17, 2014, 07:36:44 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2014, 07:37:35 PM
Common sense has prevailed!!! Lol!!!!
Again...
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 07:37:48 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 07:40:13 PM
If I wanted to know more about the .284, I probably call guys building them and f classers shooting them. :tup:
Or talk to your buddy Travis and have a real .284 chambering build, trumping said chambering with a shorter snout. Win win?????
Post by: jjhunter on December 17, 2014, 07:41:08 PM
Post by: jjhunter on December 17, 2014, 07:42:10 PM
If I wanted to know more about the .284, I probably call guys building them and f classers shooting them. :tup:
Or talk to your buddy Travis and have a real .284 chambering build, trumping said chambering with a shorter snout. Win win?????
Not arguing that.
Post by: mountainman on December 17, 2014, 07:43:16 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 07:43:38 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 07:44:49 PM
Exactly...If I wanted to know more about the .284, I probably call guys building them and f classers shooting them. :tup:
Or talk to your buddy Travis and have a real .284 chambering build, trumping said chambering with a shorter snout. Win win?????
Not arguing that.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 17, 2014, 07:50:25 PM
Post by: mountainman on December 17, 2014, 07:53:20 PM
Quote from: CAMPMEAT link=topic=167126.msg2!206852#msg2206852 date=1418874625
Mine's bigger than yours....................I'll bring the popcorn if you bring the butter
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 17, 2014, 07:53:45 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2014, 07:54:32 PM
Mine's bigger than yours....................
No it isn't.
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 07:56:34 PM
Post by: RadSav on December 17, 2014, 07:57:16 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2014, 07:58:30 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 07:59:33 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:00:33 PM
Now that's a "Google" search! ;)
Lmfao!!
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 17, 2014, 08:02:12 PM
Somebody build me a .416 Rigby necked down to .284 so I can figure out if it kills deer.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:03:00 PM
Post by: RadSav on December 17, 2014, 08:03:16 PM
"Regarding the .284, the reason I mentioned it is because it is a cartridge so often overlooked these days, a nice option for a hunter wanting something a little different rather than the usual magnum class LR hunting rifles. I don't know why people get the .284 case and immediately want to neck it down. Ultimately, very few people use the parent cartridge but those who do, achieve fantastic results. Grant LoveLock, owner of True-Flite Barrels New Zealand, decided, on a whim, to give the .284 a go for F-Class shooting late in 2008. The results have been beyond all expectations and from a long target barrel, Grant utilizes the 180 grain VLD at 2950fps. This combo has literally been a winner. The .284 is quite unique, low recoiling when built in an appropriate rifle, wind bucking and on game, hard hitting. Bullet choice in 7mm is plentiful, from controlled expanding to frangible, from 140 grains to 180 grains if using a 1:9 twist. Like I said, the .284 is very much overlooked but for no good reason."
I don't usually need to do Google searches for Nathan Foster information. His website to me is like comic books to a character on Big Bang Theory. Pretty smart guy on terminal ballistics. Puts together a great website too. When I need to relieve some stress that is my go to therapy ;)
Post by: mountainman on December 17, 2014, 08:05:46 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 17, 2014, 08:08:16 PM
Here is the result of a Google search for "+Nathan Foster+Grant Lovelock+284"
"Regarding the .284, the reason I mentioned it is because it is a cartridge so often overlooked these days, a nice option for a hunter wanting something a little different rather than the usual magnum class LR hunting rifles. I don't know why people get the .284 case and immediately want to neck it down. Ultimately, very few people use the parent cartridge but those who do, achieve fantastic results. Grant LoveLock, owner of True-Flite Barrels New Zealand, decided, on a whim, to give the .284 a go for F-Class shooting late in 2008. The results have been beyond all expectations and from a long target barrel, Grant utilizes the 180 grain VLD at 2950fps. This combo has literally been a winner. The .284 is quite unique, low recoiling when built in an appropriate rifle, wind bucking and on game, hard hitting. Bullet choice in 7mm is plentiful, from controlled expanding to frangible, from 140 grains to 180 grains if using a 1:9 twist. Like I said, the .284 is very much overlooked but for no good reason."
Dude... In New Zealand they use LH twist.
Really no comparison.
Post by: RadSav on December 17, 2014, 08:10:40 PM
Dude... In New Zealand they use LH twist.
I will have to remember that next time I am going south of the equator to hunt...must get LH twist rifle made :tup:
Post by: jjhunter on December 17, 2014, 08:12:21 PM
JJ will build a 283 because it'll cost twice as much and to be cool... Kinda why he shoots a 7/300 wsm instead of a 7 wsm...
Norma brass, my friend.
Post by: jackelope on December 17, 2014, 08:12:31 PM
Post by: rtspring on December 17, 2014, 08:12:38 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:12:53 PM
Here is the result of a Google search for "+Nathan Foster+Grant Lovelock+284"
"Regarding the .284, the reason I mentioned it is because it is a cartridge so often overlooked these days, a nice option for a hunter wanting something a little different rather than the usual magnum class LR hunting rifles. I don't know why people get the .284 case and immediately want to neck it down. Ultimately, very few people use the parent cartridge but those who do, achieve fantastic results. Grant LoveLock, owner of True-Flite Barrels New Zealand, decided, on a whim, to give the .284 a go for F-Class shooting late in 2008. The results have been beyond all expectations and from a long target barrel, Grant utilizes the 180 grain VLD at 2950fps. This combo has literally been a winner. The .284 is quite unique, low recoiling when built in an appropriate rifle, wind bucking and on game, hard hitting. Bullet choice in 7mm is plentiful, from controlled expanding to frangible, from 140 grains to 180 grains if using a 1:9 twist. Like I said, the .284 is very much overlooked but for no good reason."
I don't usually need to do Google searches for Nathan Foster information. His website to me is like comic books to a character on Big Bang Theory. Pretty smart guy on terminal ballistics. Puts together a great website too. When I need to relieve some stress that is my go to therapy ;)
Lol my lord!!!.... I believe everything on the web!!! Geez this place is funny...
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2014, 08:16:14 PM
This thread is funny. So how does thr .284 work on 2 points? :chuckle:
Stuffs them in the dirt as well as a 5.56 and a 60gr Nolser Partition. Both are great 2 point medicine!
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2014, 08:19:10 PM
Post by: b23 on December 17, 2014, 08:21:46 PM
Like a lot of the things we debate on here, most of it is subject to personal opinion. The argument can be made either way, which one is better. Calling the 6.5-284 a "Fad" is pretty funny considering how long, its been a very popular cartridge but hey, it's a free world, call it whatever you want. I doubt any of the many 6.5-284 shooters will care.
As for a .284 w/180's running 2900fps, wellllllll, you could be surprised. A straight 284 Win. on a long action with a long throat and a powder that was well suited for this combo would get closer than you think, with even a 26in tube. You'd be running your loads right at redline to get there but there's a very likely chance you could get 2800fps w/180 and 26in tube and not go over max pressure.
Post by: mountainman on December 17, 2014, 08:25:28 PM
I'm a huge 6.5-284 fan. In my opinion it's one of the greatest mid sized, can do a little bit of everything, rounds ever made. I forget it's even a wildcat, until I hear someone call it one. Factory rifles chambered in 6.5-284 and many different manufacturers making loaded ammo, it's hard for me to think of it as a wildcat round. My 6-284 is so easy to make, because of the 6.5-284 Lapua brass, I forget it's a wildcat, too.:yeah: :chuckle:
Like a lot of the things we debate on here, most of it is subject to personal opinion. The argument can be made either way, which one is better. Calling the 6.5-284 a "Fad" is pretty funny considering how long, its been a very popular cartridge but hey, it's a free world, call it whatever you want. I doubt any of the many 6.5-284 shooters will care.
As for a .284 w/180's running 2900fps, wellllllll, you could be surprised. A straight 284 Win. on a long action with a long throat and a powder that was well suited for this combo would get closer than you think, with even a 26in tube. You'd be running your loads right at redline to get there but there's a very likely chance you could get 2800fps w/180 and 26in tube and not go over max pressure.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:26:16 PM
This thread is funny. So how does thr .284 work on 2 points? :chuckle:
Stuffs them in the dirt as well as a 5.56 and a 60gr Nolser Partition. Both are great 2 point medicine!
Lmao!!! I'm crying!!!...
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:27:24 PM
I'm a huge 6.5-284 fan. In my opinion it's one of the greatest mid sized, can do a little bit of everything, rounds ever made. I forget it's even a wildcat, until I hear someone call it one. Factory rifles chambered in 6.5-284 and many different manufacturers making loaded ammo, it's hard for me to think of it as a wildcat round. My 6-284 is so easy to make, because of the 6.5-284 Lapua brass, I forget it's a wildcat, too.
Like a lot of the things we debate on here, most of it is subject to personal opinion. The argument can be made either way, which one is better. Calling the 6.5-284 a "Fad" is pretty funny considering how long, its been a very popular cartridge but hey, it's a free world, call it whatever you want. I doubt any of the many 6.5-284 shooters will care.
As for a .284 w/180's running 2900fps, wellllllll, you could be surprised. A straight 284 Win. on a long action with a long throat and a powder that was well suited for this combo would get closer than you think, with even a 26in tube. You'd be running your loads right at redline to get there but there's a very likely chance you could get 2800fps w/180 and 26in tube and not go over max pressure.
Try a 6.5/06 AI and be healed....
Post by: b23 on December 17, 2014, 08:27:56 PM
It really has nothing to do with that... Say your building a *censored* 68 camaro, you want say, true 400 hp out of a small block, you gonna use a 283 or a 400 small block???
I'd start with the 283 because I hate those over heating, siamesed cylinder, POS 400's but that's just me. :chuckle:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:31:31 PM
It really has nothing to do with that... Say your building a *censored* 68 camaro, you want say, true 400 hp out of a small block, you gonna use a 283 or a 400 small block???
I'd start with the 283 because I hate those over heating, siamesed cylinder, POS 400's but that's just me. :chuckle:
Somehow I believe that, and I bet you drive diesel and pull a trailer 3 times a year??
Post by: jjhunter on December 17, 2014, 08:31:47 PM
It really has nothing to do with that... Say your building a *censored* 68 camaro, you want say, true 400 hp out of a small block, you gonna use a 283 or a 400 small block???
I'd start with the 283 because I hate those over heating, siamesed cylinder, POS 400's but that's just me. :chuckle:
you don't have to explain yourself to .257. He shoots weatherbys....factory...weatherbys. By choice.
Post by: jjhunter on December 17, 2014, 08:34:45 PM
Post by: b23 on December 17, 2014, 08:35:54 PM
It really has nothing to do with that... Say your building a *censored* 68 camaro, you want say, true 400 hp out of a small block, you gonna use a 283 or a 400 small block???
I'd start with the 283 because I hate those over heating, siamesed cylinder, POS 400's but that's just me. :chuckle:
Somehow I believe that, and I bet you drive diesel and pull a trailer 3 times a year??
Nope, haven't owned a diesel pickup since I sold my boat two years ago. :tup:
Post by: mountainman on December 17, 2014, 08:36:42 PM
Lol, can't belittle a man for his choice :chuckle:It really has nothing to do with that... Say your building a *censored* 68 camaro, you want say, true 400 hp out of a small block, you gonna use a 283 or a 400 small block???
I'd start with the 283 because I hate those over heating, siamesed cylinder, POS 400's but that's just me. :chuckle:
you don't have to explain yourself to .257. He shoots weatherbys....factory...weatherbys. By choice.
Post by: b23 on December 17, 2014, 08:41:48 PM
It really has nothing to do with that... Say your building a *censored* 68 camaro, you want say, true 400 hp out of a small block, you gonna use a 283 or a 400 small block???
I'd start with the 283 because I hate those over heating, siamesed cylinder, POS 400's but that's just me. :chuckle:
you don't have to explain yourself to .257. He shoots weatherbys....factory...weatherbys. By choice.
Oh h*ll no, do I shoot weatherbys. That's not to say I didn't at one time, many years ago, but I haven't owned one in a long time. In fact, the only factory rifle I currently own is a 300win mag I bought a couple weeks ago from a member here and it was only bought to be a donor.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:43:09 PM
It really has nothing to do with that... Say your building a *censored* 68 camaro, you want say, true 400 hp out of a small block, you gonna use a 283 or a 400 small block???
I'd start with the 283 because I hate those over heating, siamesed cylinder, POS 400's but that's just me. :chuckle:
you don't have to explain yourself to .257. He shoots weatherbys....factory...weatherbys. By choice.
Really? I killed 3 deer in 2 weeks on my daddies ranch, I killed 2 elk with my bow and blah blah, I'm selling my Sitka gear and getting the best, blah blah blah .....
One thing is for certain justin , that 257 Roy shootin factory ammo has killed a bigger mule deer buck than you or any of your "custom" rifles.... Just sayin
Post by: JJB11B on December 17, 2014, 08:43:28 PM
Because a 6.5 142gr Sierra MK or a 140 Berger VLD from a 6.5-284 will walk all over anything you can stuff in a .284 Winchester. For hunting purposes and your average range. It isn't going to matter on game, for hunting you do have a larger, heavier bullet selection in .284 than you do in 6.5.That sounds like a serious coyote killer
Post by: yorketransport on December 17, 2014, 08:44:48 PM
From reasonable length barrels (under 20" :tup:) the 284 wins in my book. It's the whole expansion ratio thing. You can only burn so much powder in a short barrel. I don't know about you guys with your 28-30" barrels though. It seems like cheating to use such a long barrel plus have a rifle stock on your gun. :tung:
Plus if you're going to run an overbore barrel burner like the 6.5x284 you may as well go all out and shoot the 6.5 Badger. It makes anything off of the 284 case look like a black powder cartridge!
Andrew
Post by: JJB11B on December 17, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
400 small block is a boat anchor. Just saying.Why not build a stroker? way better sounding anyway
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:49:35 PM
It really has nothing to do with that... Say your building a *censored* 68 camaro, you want say, true 400 hp out of a small block, you gonna use a 283 or a 400 small block???
I'd start with the 283 because I hate those over heating, siamesed cylinder, POS 400's but that's just me. :chuckle:
you don't have to explain yourself to .257. He shoots weatherbys....factory...weatherbys. By choice.
Oh h*ll no, do I shoot weatherbys. That's not to say I didn't at one time, many years ago, but I haven't owned one in a long time. In fact, the only factory rifle I currently own is a 300win mag I bought a couple weeks ago from a member here and it was only bought to be a donor.
I've been know to slum a mark V ultra lightweight a time or 2.... Quite handily...
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
400 small block is a boat anchor. Just saying.Why not build a stroker? way better sounding anyway
Lotsa folks do, off a 400 sm of course...
Post by: b23 on December 17, 2014, 08:52:28 PM
Try a 6.5/06 AI and be healed....
Funny you say that because my dad has one he had built off of a Howa donor action. It shoots extremely well. He pushes 140 Bergers right around 3100-3150. He can get 3200 pretty easy but his brass doesn't last nearly as long when he starts pushing it 3200+
But, I don't think the minimal increase the 6.5-06Ack Imp gets over the 6.5-284 is worth the extra work. :tup:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:53:36 PM
I've had both, still have the 284. The way I see it, the 6.5x284 exists so that I can neck the brass up to make 284 cases. :chuckle:
From reasonable length barrels (under 20" :tup:) the 284 wins in my book. It's the whole expansion ratio thing. You can only burn so much powder in a short barrel. I don't know about you guys with your 28-30" barrels though. It seems like cheating to use such a long barrel plus have a rifle stock on your gun. :tung:
Plus if you're going to run an overbore barrel burner like the 6.5x284 you may as well go all out and shoot the 6.5 Badger. It makes anything off of the 284 case look like a black powder cartridge!
Andrew
My god, someone that uses their head for more than a hat rack...
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:54:44 PM
Try a 6.5/06 AI and be healed....
Funny you say that because my dad has one he had built off of a Howa donor action. It shoots extremely well. He pushes 140 Bergers right around 3100-3150. He can get 3200 pretty easy but his brass doesn't last nearly as long when he starts pushing it 3200+
But, I don't think the minimal increase the 6.5-06Ack Imp gets over the 6.5-284 is worth the extra work. :tup:
Work??
Post by: mountainman on December 17, 2014, 08:55:07 PM
and the biggest________award goes to...It really has nothing to do with that... Say your building a *censored* 68 camaro, you want say, true 400 hp out of a small block, you gonna use a 283 or a 400 small block???
I'd start with the 283 because I hate those over heating, siamesed cylinder, POS 400's but that's just me. :chuckle:
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you don't have to explain yourself to .257. He shoots weatherbys....factory...weatherbys. By choice.
Really? I killed 3 deer in 2 weeks on my daddies ranch, I killed 2 elk with my bow and blah blah, I'm selling my Sitka gear and getting the best, blah blah blah .....
One thing is for certain justin , that 257 Roy shootin factory ammo has killed a bigger mule deer buck than you or any of your "custom" rifles.... Just sayin
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:56:10 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 08:58:30 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 17, 2014, 09:09:15 PM
Mine's bigger than yours....................
No it isn't.
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Ah, mine takes up a whole page by itself.............so I can't download it. Very big................
Post by: yorketransport on December 17, 2014, 09:14:11 PM
Andrew I'd like to build a 375 BME 32" snout shootin 350 gr sierras
We can make that happen. :tup: Leave these small bore rounds for the "target" shooters. If a 140-180gr bullet at 3000 fps is good, then a 350 gr bullet at over 3000 fps must be better! :chuckle: Just stock up on powder now and start buying H1000 and Retumbo by the keg. :o
Andrew
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2014, 09:18:17 PM
Mine's bigger than yours....................
No it isn't.
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Ah, mine takes up a whole page by itself.............so I can't download it. Very big................
Dang Gina!!!
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 17, 2014, 09:21:25 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 17, 2014, 09:24:20 PM
Can you tell deer season is over? Sheesh. :chuckle:I think the closest is a 30-378 Wby. the 378 and larger class were based of the rigby.
Somebody build me a .416 Rigby necked down to .284 so I can figure out if it kills deer.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 17, 2014, 09:33:10 PM
I think it's a Brit thing that carried to their territories. You can get an Enfield, they're LH twist. Something about how most shooters are right handed and a LH twist rifle will push more toward the right during recoil, a RH pushes to the left which is weak side. Gives more deflection, your sight would be further off target after the shot.Dude... In New Zealand they use LH twist.
I will have to remember that next time I am going south of the equator to hunt...must get LH twist rifle made :tup:
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 18, 2014, 06:54:41 AM
400 small block is a boat anchor. Just saying.
But if you can neck down those cylinders...would it be more than a boat anchor? :chuckle:
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 18, 2014, 07:04:53 AM
"Bro you gotta have them 37" Nittos and a 6" long arm lift if you expect to get to work when there is a skiff of snow on the ground...if you settle for the 3" lift, you'll only be able to fit 35's and they might rub...how in the world you expect to navigate those tank traps?"
Post by: jjhunter on December 18, 2014, 07:10:42 AM
It really has nothing to do with that... Say your building a *censored* 68 camaro, you want say, true 400 hp out of a small block, you gonna use a 283 or a 400 small block???
I'd start with the 283 because I hate those over heating, siamesed cylinder, POS 400's but that's just me. :chuckle:
you don't have to explain yourself to .257. He shoots weatherbys....factory...weatherbys. By choice.
Really? I killed 3 deer in 2 weeks on my daddies ranch, I killed 2 elk with my bow and blah blah, I'm selling my Sitka gear and getting the best, blah blah blah .....
One thing is for certain justin , that 257 Roy shootin factory ammo has killed a bigger mule deer buck than you or any of your "custom" rifles.... Just sayin
It is apparent that one of us is taking this waaayyyy more seriously than the other. :chuckle:
BTW, did you hack into my Christian Mingle account? You seem to know what too many "facts" about me? :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 18, 2014, 07:18:52 AM
Post by: whacker1 on December 18, 2014, 07:49:18 AM
It really has nothing to do with that... Say your building a *censored* 68 camaro, you want say, true 400 hp out of a small block, you gonna use a 283 or a 400 small block???
I'd start with the 283 because I hate those over heating, siamesed cylinder, POS 400's but that's just me. :chuckle:
you don't have to explain yourself to .257. He shoots weatherbys....factory...weatherbys. By choice.
Really? I killed 3 deer in 2 weeks on my daddies ranch, I killed 2 elk with my bow and blah blah, I'm selling my Sitka gear and getting the best, blah blah blah .....
One thing is for certain justin , that 257 Roy shootin factory ammo has killed a bigger mule deer buck than you or any of your "custom" rifles.... Just sayin
It is apparent that one of us is taking this waaayyyy more seriously than the other. :chuckle:
BTW, did you hack into my Christian Mingle account? You seem to know what too many "facts" about me? :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 18, 2014, 08:23:07 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 18, 2014, 09:14:46 AM
30" 284 win.... my Lord people are funny, great thread though!!
Post by: WoodlandShooter on December 18, 2014, 12:11:55 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 18, 2014, 12:29:06 PM
what abput a 6.8x64??
Didn't you do this to me last month ? :tup:
Post by: WoodlandShooter on December 18, 2014, 12:42:37 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 18, 2014, 01:20:36 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 18, 2014, 01:32:45 PM
or the 6.8-06???now that would be a wildcat worth owning! :chuckle: :rolleyes:
Post by: Mike450r on December 18, 2014, 01:40:49 PM
or the 6.8-06???now that would be a wildcat worth owning! :chuckle: :rolleyes:
I bet you could find tons of brass already necked down
Post by: higunner on December 19, 2014, 11:14:45 AM
Post by: mountainman on December 19, 2014, 11:28:19 AM
It always amazes me how jacked up and opinionated people get over hot rod/stroker calibers, when a HUGE percentage of those same people are unable to max out the capabilities of calibers like .308 Winchester. K.I.S.S. Just sayinso true..as we get older many realize that..
Post by: higunner on December 19, 2014, 11:52:14 AM
Post by: coachcw on December 19, 2014, 01:10:58 PM
Post by: Curly on December 19, 2014, 01:22:54 PM
or the 6.8-06???now that would be a wildcat worth owning! :chuckle: :rolleyes:
Even better would be a .284-06
;)
Post by: putemdownhard on December 19, 2014, 01:32:07 PM
Post by: putemdownhard on December 19, 2014, 01:59:18 PM
Post by: buckfvr on December 19, 2014, 02:24:12 PM
Buying into current hype sells rifles and accessories as well as bows and accessories, all with high hopes of becoming better shooters............... :twocents:
Post by: Rich_S on December 19, 2014, 02:26:25 PM
Now, my dad - there was a real man! I wish I was more like him. Still miss him every day and try to be as good with my kids as he was with me.
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But - thanks for the vote of confidence. For everybody reading this, putemdownhard is a guy I look up to, in more ways than one. I couldn't deal with the stuff he has to without getting mentioned in the daily arrest report.
Post by: jjhunter on December 19, 2014, 08:21:49 PM
There is some great info on the straight 284 on 6br.com. Look under "guns of the week". There are a couple featured 284s in two different configurations. The articles talk about the 284's capabilities with newer powders available (rl 17).
Lots of great info if you are interested.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 19, 2014, 08:31:26 PM
Many people compulsively get what they perceive to be latest and greatest, in hopes of they themselves becoming the same.
Buying into current hype sells rifles and accessories as well as bows and accessories, all with high hopes of becoming better shooters............... :twocents:
What makes everybody think that 6.5-284 is hype, or latest and greatest?
Many here weren't even born when the 284 was wildcatted. :dunno:
Post by: fastdam on December 19, 2014, 08:43:20 PM
The bullet diameter has nothing to do with accuracy. I'm guessing the reason to go 6.5 would be to take advantage of speed gains and a better BC.not true in wind the slender 6.5 140 bullet performs fabulously. my 6.5 shoots 3147 fps with the 140 vlds out of a 30 inch pipe with a break . basically zero recoil and you see impact down range through the scope . the downfall is they are barrel burners if you plan on only running 1500 rounds through it in it's life the 6.5 rocks. if you do rebarrl the one you have leave it a bit long and you can rechamber it down the road and not loose the performance.
What do you mean, "thats not true". I made your point, before you did. Please explain
Post by: yorketransport on December 19, 2014, 10:43:53 PM
what kind of barell life do you guys get from the 6.5 badger ?
Short. :chuckle: Probably in the 6-700 range. Think about it though, how many guys really shoot that much? A 6.5 Badger barrel would last most shooters a life time.
It always amazes me how jacked up and opinionated people get over hot rod/stroker calibers, when a HUGE percentage of those same people are unable to max out the capabilities of calibers like .308 Winchester. K.I.S.S. Just sayinA lot of people buy vehicles with V-6 or V-8 engines and would be better served with a 4 cylinder. It's no different with guns. For me, a 4 cylinder Ford Ranger won't pull my boat as well as my Duramax will, and a 308 won't hold a group at 1400 yards as well as the 6.5 Badger, 7 RUM, 338 Edge, or 375 BME will. The 308 can't even keep up with the 243. Heck, the 308 can't keep up with my 284 pistol at that range! (see how I brought that back full circle and back on topic :tup:)
What makes everybody think that 6.5-284 is hype, or latest and greatest?
Many here weren't even born when the 284 was wildcatted. :dunno:
Maybe the "new" designation is based on the newer 6.5-284 Norma version instead of the old 6.5-284 Winchester. :dunno:
Many people compulsively get what they perceive to be latest and greatest, in hopes of they themselves becoming the same.
Buying into current hype sells rifles and accessories as well as bows and accessories, all with high hopes of becoming better shooters............... :twocents:
I just build them so that people will like me and want to be my friend. I'm so lonely............. :'(
Andrew
Post by: Bean Counter on December 19, 2014, 11:11:22 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 20, 2014, 02:14:28 AM
Why does anybody care? Does it matter if it is? :dunno::yeah: who cares what others do?
Post by: coachcw on December 20, 2014, 07:00:02 AM
sorry I miss read your post. The Lil 6.5 is a out standing projectileThe bullet diameter has nothing to do with accuracy. I'm guessing the reason to go 6.5 would be to take advantage of speed gains and a better BC.not true in wind the slender 6.5 140 bullet performs fabulously. my 6.5 shoots 3147 fps with the 140 vlds out of a 30 inch pipe with a break . basically zero recoil and you see impact down range through the scope . the downfall is they are barrel burners if you plan on only running 1500 rounds through it in it's life the 6.5 rocks. if you do rebarrl the one you have leave it a bit long and you can rechamber it down the road and not loose the performance.
What do you mean, "thats not true". I made your point, before you did. Please explain
Post by: higunner on December 20, 2014, 05:52:29 PM
Post by: JJB11B on December 20, 2014, 06:51:05 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 20, 2014, 06:52:54 PM
I have a Remington 700 BDL in 22-250, the barrel is shot out and want to rebarrel it into something a little mightier and legal for deer hunting, Dont say .308 I have two of those already. What calibers/ wildcats are out there? What would you recomend? I will primarily coyote hunt and maybe do a little deer hunting with it. Im thinking a little faster and flatter, longer range
.243
.260
Post by: JJB11B on December 20, 2014, 06:59:58 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 20, 2014, 07:02:47 PM
Plain old .260 Rem?
1-8 twist :)
Post by: JJB11B on December 20, 2014, 09:37:04 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on December 20, 2014, 09:46:46 PM
I have a Remington 700 BDL in 22-250, the barrel is shot out and want to rebarrel it into something a little mightier and legal for deer hunting, Dont say .308 I have two of those already. What calibers/ wildcats are out there? What would you recomend? I will primarily coyote hunt and maybe do a little deer hunting with it. Im thinking a little faster and flatter, longer range
.250-3000
Post by: RadSav on December 20, 2014, 10:54:45 PM
I have a Remington 700 BDL in 22-250, the barrel is shot out and want to rebarrel it into something a little mightier and legal for deer hunting, Dont say .308 I have two of those already. What calibers/ wildcats are out there? What would you recomend? I will primarily coyote hunt and maybe do a little deer hunting with it. Im thinking a little faster and flatter, longer range
.250-3000
.250-3000 AI if you really want to be a lone wolf! Or maybe a .22 Cheetah. Even though it's not legal for deer it does sound fun and you wouldn't need a new barrel as you should be able to just shorten and rechamber :dunno:
Post by: yorketransport on December 21, 2014, 09:43:27 AM
I have a Remington 700 BDL in 22-250, the barrel is shot out and want to rebarrel it into something a little mightier and legal for deer hunting, Dont say .308 I have two of those already. What calibers/ wildcats are out there? What would you recomend? I will primarily coyote hunt and maybe do a little deer hunting with it. Im thinking a little faster and flatter, longer range
Take a look at either the 6.5-284 or maybe just a straight 284 Win. We should start a thread about the benefits of each. :chuckle: If you want to be different, try one of the different versions of the 25-08. :tup:
Yorketransport, you most just be an amazing shot. Just curious, whats your group at 1400 yards?I will admit, you've called me out. It's not actually 1400 yards. It's actually 1389. And as for my shooting, I'm not that good. The 308 is just that mediocre. :tup:
It's hard to measure the group sizes since they're 20 feet up the rock wall. We're holding sub MOA though. The spots on the rock that we're shooting at are about 8" diameter though. When the weather clears up enough to allow it we'll go up and get some more video and pictures of the targets. I put a bowling pin out there so that now we will have an object of a familiar size to give some scale. The area is fogged in and the wind is terrible this time of year though so we don't do much shooting out there.
A few of the videos from early this summer are posted up on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0EXLCn6OCsYGCLTfAZutEg (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0EXLCn6OCsYGCLTfAZutEg)
Andrew
Post by: Wenatcheejay on February 21, 2015, 03:24:30 PM
So, who solved the dilemma by owning both calibers?
(((This Guy!))) :)
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on February 21, 2015, 03:40:05 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 21, 2015, 07:30:50 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 21, 2015, 07:33:25 PM
If your at 30"', why not go 32"? It would be super quick as a hi-Lifter jack bar! :tup: It could also second for a spit if you want to grill whatever you have shot in the field whole on the spot.
:chuckle:
Post by: Lincoln4 on February 21, 2015, 10:21:16 PM
Post by: timberfaller on February 21, 2015, 10:40:51 PM
I have a Remington 700 BDL in 22-250, the barrel is shot out and want to rebarrel it into something a little mightier and legal for deer hunting, Dont say .308 I have two of those already. What calibers/ wildcats are out there? What would you recomend? I will primarily coyote hunt and maybe do a little deer hunting with it. Im thinking a little faster and flatter, longer range
I have a Ruger Ultra lite in 257 Roberts, nasty on coyotes! as long as your not into saving their pelts!! :yike:
Give that one a try!!
Keep posting boys! this is one of the FUN threads!! :tup:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 03, 2016, 05:35:08 PM
A 6.5-284 Norma followed me home from the gun store last week.
I sure hope I can get it sighted in before the barrel is burned out. :chuckle:
Maybe we can bring this one back to life?
Post by: coachcw on January 03, 2016, 05:42:47 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 03, 2016, 06:09:17 PM
Tell us more is she Purdy ? I just ordered some parts for a 260 today.Savage long range hunter.
About as purdy as a factory savage gets I guess. :chuckle:
I need to save some pennies to put some glass on and buy reloading components tho! :yike:
Can't wait to shoot it.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 03, 2016, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 03, 2016, 06:56:25 PM
I'm gonna be working up a load for Whit's 6.5 this spring. Will be interesting to see what kind of speed I can milk out of it. What's the twist on the LR savage?It's an 8 twist. What rifle is whits?
You gonna use the vld?
Post by: yorketransport on January 03, 2016, 07:08:44 PM
***old thread alert!***
A 6.5-284 Norma followed me home from the gun store last week.
I sure hope I can get it sighted in before the barrel is burned out. :chuckle:
Maybe we can bring this one back to life?
:stirthepot:
The 284 Winchester is better!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 03, 2016, 07:10:46 PM
:chuckle:***old thread alert!***
A 6.5-284 Norma followed me home from the gun store last week.
I sure hope I can get it sighted in before the barrel is burned out. :chuckle:
Maybe we can bring this one back to life?
:stirthepot:
The 284 Winchester is better!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 03, 2016, 07:12:02 PM
savage 111 I think and ya, 140 vldI'm gonna be working up a load for Whit's 6.5 this spring. Will be interesting to see what kind of speed I can milk out of it. What's the twist on the LR savage?It's an 8 twist. What rifle is whits?
You gonna use the vld?
Post by: coachcw on January 03, 2016, 07:20:08 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 03, 2016, 07:27:19 PM
Second choice would be 130 ablr.
No idea what powder I'll try. I have time to research and collect crap.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 03, 2016, 07:32:10 PM
That 111 may like the 130 abs, my hot loads opened up a bit in her .Good to know. I wish I had some 6.5 stuff laying around to play with. My have to keep my eye out on shooters for some seconds.
Post by: yorketransport on January 03, 2016, 09:25:45 PM
Post by: opdinkslayer on January 04, 2016, 06:52:36 AM
I'm hoping to try the 142 ablr. Or the 143 eld x
Second choice would be 130 ablr.
No idea what powder I'll try. I have time to research and collect crap.
Hey Bull, I got the savage 116 lr fluted 6.5 and they just flat shoot. It was responsible for a WY muley changing adresses from 600 yds this past fall with an 18 yr old kid behind the trigger for the very 1st time. I put a Zeiss conquest 6.5-20 on her and worked up a load of a 140 berger vld over 57.0 gr Retumbo. It shoots sub .500 consistantly at 100 and sub moa at 300 yds. I've heard H1000 is also a go to powder. I might play with those new Hornady ELD-X's as well just to see what they will do. Good luck! :tup:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 04, 2016, 07:37:30 AM
Thanks
Post by: b23 on January 04, 2016, 12:00:35 PM
I've got a 6.5-284 barreled action I did some horse trading for this past fall. It has a trued Rem 700 LA and a 26in 1-8tw Shilen CM barrel. Shilen barrels aren't really at the top of favs list and their CM barrels are even further down so only time will tell how well it shoots. Having it all put together and bedded into a HS Prec. Sendero take off stock that they shortened up to fit my 13 daughter. Berger 140's and RL26 is what I'll be trying first when it's all done, which will be any day now. If this barrel shoots well, I'll have it threaded for a new SAS Barricade that's currently in ATF jail and if it doesn't, well, I guess I can make a jack handle out of it and hang a new Hart barrel on it. Funny how those hodgepodge "good deals" often end up costing you more than if you'd have just done it right from the beginning. Hopefully, I get lucky on this one. :tup:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 04, 2016, 01:03:58 PM
How in the heck did I miss this post last night!!?? :chuckle:***old thread alert!***
A 6.5-284 Norma followed me home from the gun store last week.
I sure hope I can get it sighted in before the barrel is burned out. :chuckle:
Maybe we can bring this one back to life?
:stirthepot:
The 284 Winchester is better!
Post by: b23 on January 04, 2016, 01:45:43 PM
That oughta be good for a couple more pages of squabbling don't ya think. :chuckle:
Post by: opdinkslayer on January 04, 2016, 05:33:35 PM
That's good to hear the heavies work well with retumbo. I have a good amount of that at home. What oal are you running them at opdink? There's sure a lot of room in the mag to seat them long!Mine likes them at 3.15 coal and lots of room in that long action for them. Just have to put them in the mag right or they wont feed very well.
Thanks
Post by: yorketransport on January 05, 2016, 05:28:50 AM
Don't forget about sectional density, definitely better on those .264 bullets compared to the .284's. :tup:
Well that's a load of horse excrement! Do an apples to apples comparison and .284s bullets are just as good as .264. Compare the 180gr .284 bullets to the 142gr .264s and they're very similar.
Furthermore, I find your opinion to be wrong and offensive because it's not the same as mine. Therefore, you must be an unethical hunter and likely a poor marksman. You probably hunt with semi auto too!
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 05, 2016, 07:59:20 AM
:tup: that's what I like to see!Don't forget about sectional density, definitely better on those .264 bullets compared to the .284's. :tup:
Well that's a load of horse excrement! Do an apples to apples comparison and .284s bullets are just as good as .264. Compare the 180gr .284 bullets to the 142gr .264s and they're very similar.
Furthermore, I find your opinion to be wrong and offensive because it's not the same as mine. Therefore, you must be an unethical hunter and likely a poor marksman. You probably hunt with semi auto too!
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
But watch the chuckle spacing. Rumor has it they don't put up with escessive spacing around these parts anymore. :chuckle:
Post by: b23 on January 05, 2016, 02:28:23 PM
Don't forget about sectional density, definitely better on those .264 bullets compared to the .284's. :tup:
Well that's a load of horse excrement! Do an apples to apples comparison and .284s bullets are just as good as .264. Compare the 180gr .284 bullets to the 142gr .264s and they're very similar.
Furthermore, I find your opinion to be wrong and offensive because it's not the same as mine. Therefore, you must be an unethical hunter and likely a poor marksman. You probably hunt with semi auto too!
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
LOL Wait a minute, I thought you were the one that said go straight for the 160's and if my apples are being compared to your apples, they win by .009. :tup:
And further more, what does me being and extremely lousy marksman and using a surpressed full auto AR for hunting have to do with it? Don't you know I'm blind in both eyes and only have a hook on my shooting arm and I need every advantage I can get. Besides, on full auto, I can usually get all 30 rounds on paper from 10 yards out when I do a full mag dumb. Sheesh, how much better than that do I need to be.... :o
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 05, 2016, 02:36:02 PM
Post by: b23 on January 05, 2016, 02:41:42 PM
The 190gr 7mm Matrix VLD's are just plain wicked. 8)
Oh big deal, like .009 really matters Mr fancy pants with ur Matrix 190gr bullets.... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: theleo on January 05, 2016, 02:49:26 PM
The 190gr 7mm Matrix VLD's are just plain wicked. 8)So is my mother in law, doesn't mean I'd take her hunting though.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 05, 2016, 02:50:43 PM
The 190gr 7mm Matrix VLD's are just plain wicked. 8)So is my mother in law, doesn't mean I'd take her hunting though.
Scary!
Post by: yorketransport on January 05, 2016, 02:59:00 PM
Some people might see that as a pretty good reason to take her out in the woods, far from other people. :peep:The 190gr 7mm Matrix VLD's are just plain wicked. 8)So is my mother in law, doesn't mean I'd take her hunting though.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 05, 2016, 04:24:13 PM
This is exactly why I brought this old thread up instead of starting my own 6.5-284 thread.
Post by: theleo on January 05, 2016, 05:11:35 PM
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Some people might see that as a pretty good reason to take her out in the woods, far from other people. :peep:
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I see no reason why others should get a reprieve, misery loves company. I might just have to get an uber magnum and put a break on it. I could stand to lose the nagging sound in my ear and it would be more useful than a 6.5-284 for hunting.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 05, 2016, 07:07:11 PM
So is my mother in law, doesn't mean I'd take her hunting though.Some people might see that as a pretty good reason to take her out in the woods, far from other people. :peep:
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I see no reason why others should get a reprieve, misery loves company. I might just have to get an uber magnum and put a break on it. I could stand to lose the nagging sound in my ear and it would be more useful than a 6.5-284 for hunting.
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Huh? I can't hear you... Maybe because I have a uber mag with a brake and can't hear anymore. But I want a smaller lighter non braked rifle for hunting. :chuckle:
Btw is it brake or break?
Let's keep this going!
Post by: theleo on January 05, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
How you guys go out in the woods with a bullet smaller in diameter smaller than 7mm is pretty *censored*. What do you tell your families when you get out of the woods by a rabid pine squirrel?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 05, 2016, 08:09:18 PM
With the use of my trusty wrist watch calculator and a pen from my pocket protector. I deduce that the energy level required to cleanly take a game animal with PRECISE shot placement, will require a 6.5-50bmgai with no less than a 48" barrel. I've contacted Weatherby with my concerns and they tell me it will surely be a success so long as the shoulder has a radius.:chuckle:
How you guys go out in the woods with a bullet smaller in diameter smaller than 7mm is pretty *censored*. What do you tell your families when you get out of the woods by a rabid pine squirrel?
Post by: coachcw on January 05, 2016, 08:09:23 PM
Post by: theleo on January 05, 2016, 08:12:33 PM
I get a kick when guys say how they want a rifle they can just go anywhere and buy ammo. My bet is guys look I g for a accurate rifle are OK with bring ammo from home on there hunt ....6.5 may be kinda odd balls but the performance speaks for itsself. And ammo is very available.Hunting with a 6.5? I guess their performance on a rock chuck hunt would be... adequate.
Post by: b23 on January 05, 2016, 08:30:02 PM
What do you tell your families when you get out of the woods by a rabid pine squirrel?
You know, come to think of it, my wife kinda acts like a rabid pine squirrel around the house a lot. Do you think I could be a little under gunned with a 6.5 for those occasions?? To tell you the truth, I'm actually a little more concerned about those odd balls coachcw is referring to than my wife acting like a rabid pine squirrel though. I've heard those things can really be troublesome. :yike: :yike:
Post by: theleo on January 05, 2016, 08:36:20 PM
Put one of those dinky little 6.5 pills next to a cast iron skillet and tell me you're not under gunned.What do you tell your families when you get out of the woods by a rabid pine squirrel?
You know, come to think of it, my wife kinda acts like a rabid pine squirrel around the house a lot. Do you think I could be a little under gunned with a 6.5 for those occasions?? To tell you the truth, I'm actually a little more concerned about those odd balls coachcw is referring to than my wife acting like a rabid pine squirrel though. I've heard those things can really be troublesome. :yike: :yike:
Post by: b23 on January 05, 2016, 08:46:52 PM
Put one of those dinky little 6.5 pills next to a cast iron skillet and tell me you're not under gunned.
Yeah, but have you seen the sectional density on a cast iron skillet?! Pfff, the 6.5 is wayyyyyy better. :tup:
Post by: theleo on January 05, 2016, 09:21:46 PM
And if you asked the lady of my house, the sectional density of my skull is second to none!Put one of those dinky little 6.5 pills next to a cast iron skillet and tell me you're not under gunned.
Yeah, but have you seen the sectional density on a cast iron skillet?! Pfff, the 6.5 is wayyyyyy better. :tup:
Post by: theleo on January 05, 2016, 09:28:33 PM