Post by: Special T on December 21, 2014, 09:01:58 PM
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/12/robert-farago/increasingly-armed-mexican-populace-preparing-revolution/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/12/robert-farago/increasingly-armed-mexican-populace-preparing-revolution/)
America’s anti-gunners vilify gun owners who dare suggest that armed citizens are a bulwark against government tyranny. Maybe back in the late 1700’s, but not today. They scoff at the idea, arguing that these latter day self-styled armed American patriots wouldn’t stand a chance against the might of a modern military, should such a thing come to pass. Well it has come to pass, just across our southern border . . .
Mexico is a case study of exactly what happens to a disarmed populace faced with a tyrannical government, backed by military force.
Suffering from decades of kidnapping, rape, torture, mutilation, murder and mass murder; brutalized by drug cartels and their government enablers, Mexico’s disarmed rural populations have taken up arms in their own defense – illegally – and formed citizen militias. These autodefensas are locked in battle with vicious drug cartels, corrupt local police, the Mexican military and the recently formed faux citizens’ police force called Fuerza Rural.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 21, 2014, 10:29:36 PM
Post by: Crunchy on December 21, 2014, 10:49:09 PM
Post by: stevemiller on December 21, 2014, 11:15:56 PM
Now we will see if there really is any BROWN PRIDE if any go back to help their fellow countrymen. :bash:
Post by: Special T on December 22, 2014, 07:46:28 AM
Post by: timberfaller on December 26, 2014, 10:42:05 AM
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/12/26/mexicans-protest-german-embassy-say-guns-used-to-kill-missing-students-were/ (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/12/26/mexicans-protest-german-embassy-say-guns-used-to-kill-missing-students-were/)
The they are already "infected" by the Disease!
Post by: montana44mag on December 27, 2014, 03:10:27 PM
Mexico's problems are so deep. Need to overthrow the drug cartels somehow. I don't think they can do it on their own.
Its our moral responsibility to stop violently controlling peoples personal lives, legalize all drugs here and abroad, and support gun, and armament rights for all peoples.
Post by: Bean Counter on December 27, 2014, 03:46:33 PM
The notion that legalizing drugs will put the cartels out of business is as silly as thinking that by having a 365 day hunting season that we can eliminate poaching. The cartels aren't on a social justice mission in their quest to bring recreational marijuana to hard working, middle class Americans so they can let their hair down on the weekend. They look for what is profitable and high stakes and then engage; violently. Several cartels, notably Los Zetas, have pushed into other violent and dangerous activities when turf was lost in the drug trade and often such other activities like human trafficking, racketeering, and prostitution. Are we going to legalize all activities in hopes that it will put the bad guys out of business?
Post by: montana44mag on December 27, 2014, 04:07:44 PM
Are we going to legalize all activities in hopes that it will put the bad guys out of business?
No, just all activities between consenting ADULTS, such as drugs, prostitution, gambling, betting, and making and trading weapons. In a free market, these would no longer be profitable for gangs.
Then we can focus our resources on ACTUAL CRIME, such as theft, extortion, burglary, pedophilia and human slavery.
We should fully support the idea of an armed Mexican populace "cutting out the cancer" in their society.
Viva La Revolution!
Post by: Bean Counter on December 27, 2014, 05:37:55 PM
Post by: montana44mag on December 27, 2014, 06:48:27 PM
I see. If I adulterate the MILF next door, her children would be "victimless" in such a transaction. Gotcha.
Really? Were you born this way? did you hit your head? :bash: How much does trolling pay these days? You type so well for being so :drool: :o :bash:
Are you suggesting we use tax dollars to stop "milfs" from hooking up with the neighbors?
Way to try and de-rail a serious thread....like always.
Go back to your hole.
Post by: Bean Counter on December 27, 2014, 06:50:14 PM
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...Then we can focus our resources on ACTUAL CRIME, such as theft, extortion, burglary, pedophilia and human slavery...
More "we are the world" feel good ideology that reads good on paper. Doesn't pass the smell test in the real world.
Human trafficking and child sex slavery thrives in countries where prostitution is legal.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/15/legal-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-from-the-annals-of-bad-economic-research/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/15/legal-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-from-the-annals-of-bad-economic-research/)
"This paper investigates the impact of legalized prostitution on human trafficking inflows.
According to economic theory, there are two opposing effects of unknown magnitude. The
scale effect of legalized prostitution leads to an expansion of the prostitution market,
increasing human trafficking, while the substitution effect reduces demand for trafficked
women as legal prostitutes are favored over trafficked ones. Our empirical analysis for a
cross-section of up to 150 countries shows that the scale effect dominates the substitution
effect. On average, countries where prostitution is legal experience larger reported human
trafficking inflows."
... Oops :o
Roll THAT in your blunt and smoke it.
Post by: Mark Brenckle on December 28, 2014, 06:34:27 AM
Did you read the article you linked? The quote you pasted is a quote from a study that the article is saying was a crappy study...Quote...Then we can focus our resources on ACTUAL CRIME, such as theft, extortion, burglary, pedophilia and human slavery...
More "we are the world" feel good ideology that reads good on paper. Doesn't pass the smell test in the real world.
Human trafficking and child sex slavery thrives in countries where prostitution is legal.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/15/legal-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-from-the-annals-of-bad-economic-research/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/15/legal-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-from-the-annals-of-bad-economic-research/)
"This paper investigates the impact of legalized prostitution on human trafficking inflows.
According to economic theory, there are two opposing effects of unknown magnitude. The
scale effect of legalized prostitution leads to an expansion of the prostitution market,
increasing human trafficking, while the substitution effect reduces demand for trafficked
women as legal prostitutes are favored over trafficked ones. Our empirical analysis for a
cross-section of up to 150 countries shows that the scale effect dominates the substitution
effect. On average, countries where prostitution is legal experience larger reported human
trafficking inflows."
... Oops :o
Roll THAT in your blunt and smoke it.
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on December 28, 2014, 08:27:42 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 28, 2014, 09:23:53 AM
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Did you read the article you linked? The quote you pasted is a quote from a study that the article is saying was a crappy study...
Yes I actually read it. The review of the study gives people a chance to appreciate the two positions and one can read for themselves both positions and make up their determination. I go with the side of empirical data more than the theoretical/esoteric. He cites his facts as "sheer implausibility" without much original research unless I missed it. In the end he also agrees that legalized prostitution is likely to increase human trafficking.
Post by: montana44mag on December 28, 2014, 10:19:48 AM
QuoteDid you read the article you linked? The quote you pasted is a quote from a study that the article is saying was a crappy study...
Yes I actually read it. The review of the study gives people a chance to appreciate the two positions and one can read for themselves both positions and make up their determination. I go with the side of empirical data more than the theoretical/esoteric. He cites his facts as "sheer implausibility" without much original research unless I missed it. In the end he also agrees that legalized prostitution is likely to increase human trafficking.
Even if that study were correct, which I highly doubt, (look at Nevada) its disgusting and immoral to put public tax dollars (which we dont have)and guns into peoples bedrooms, I cant believe in 2014 there are still literate people who want to point guns at consenting ADULTS having sex! :o Its this kind of perverse idea that we can use violence to control peoples personal lives that makes huge black markets where crime thrives, in FACT its usually the perpetrators who want more control laws to increase profit margins.
Post by: Bean Counter on December 28, 2014, 12:04:54 PM
To me its not so much about "pointing guns at people" as you seem very fixated on. I think a lot of the benefit of keeping certain vices prohibited is simply what we avoid when they are legal, so in the case of prostitution that would mean more illegal sex trade and immigration, or in the case of marijuana it spells more teenage use (which will have deleterious effect over the course of their whole life), risks of introducing more hard narcotics (the so called 'gateway' effect), lost worker productivity, danger from abuse by users in critical industries, as well cartels branching into more nefarious activities to recover lost income. In many cases I don't support the average toker or John going to jail but I tout the benefits of prosecutorial discretion when no other charges can be levied. I haven't heard of anybody going to jail or prison for being caught with a dime bag and wasn't up to anything else, especially on their first offense. :twocents:
Post by: montana44mag on December 28, 2014, 01:28:11 PM
To me its not so much about "pointing guns at people" as you seem very fixated on.
Well yes of course, its the threat of deadly force (a violent act) which makes it possible to kick in the door of 2 adults and kidnap them, take their time and money from them, all while subjecting them to a diet that most would consider torture and surrounding them with actual criminals like pedos and killers.
It dosent need to be "the gun in the room" that imposes the violence either, this is only the newest in a long line of weapons used to threaten people.
Swords, whips, stones, fists, and spears have all been used to attempt to change human behavior.
Of course not all forms of violence are bad either, shooting a burglar or murderer or stopping an arson, theft, or other property crime are heroic acts of defensive violence, which are generally supported by thinkers and philosophers throughout time.
perhaps a review on the philosophy of liberty would serve us good at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I)
Post by: Bean Counter on December 28, 2014, 02:43:13 PM
Interesting word play. There are "actual criminals" and what? "pseudo criminals?" These are no longer decided by the legislative process and interpreted (and sometimes appropriately struck down) by the judicial process and now decided by ... you?
To me its not so much about "pointing guns at people" as you seem very fixated on.
Well yes of course, its the threat of deadly force (a violent act) which makes it possible to kick in the door of 2 adults and kidnap them, take their time and money from them, all while subjecting them to a diet that most would consider torture and surrounding them with actual criminals like pedos and killers.
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It dosent need to be "the gun in the room" that imposes the violence either, this is only the newest in a long line of weapons used to threaten people.
Swords, whips, stones, fists, and spears have all been used to attempt to change human behavior.
Yep. thank God.
I very much appreciate state patrol using their swords, whips, stones, fists, and spears to 'take away your freedom' to speed 90 miles per hour down the freeway. I very much appreciate the IRS-CID suing their swords, whips, fists, and spears to arrest those who aren't paying their taxes as long as I am. I appreciate the military tribunal that would take away the liberty of those who would dodge a draft if I am marching my sons off to war..
Those may or may not qualify for your divine approval of 'actual crimes.'
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Of course not all forms of violence are bad either, shooting a burglar or murderer or stopping an arson, theft, or other property crime are heroic acts of defensive violence, which are generally supported by thinkers and philosophers throughout time.So if I understand your position correct--one has to directly be hurting another person in order for it to be an "actual crime"?
Well if you'll excuse me I'm off to go spotlight and shoot some deer out of season..
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perhaps a review on the philosophy of liberty would serve us good at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I)
I watched about half that. Not sure where the author claims his authority. The Framers claimed their authority from Almighty God in accordance with natural law.
Post by: montana44mag on January 02, 2015, 12:16:02 AM
I appreciate the military tribunal that would take away the liberty of those who would dodge a draft if I am marching my sons off to war..Quote
Even if it were your own son who was refusing to kill people? Or to die for something he didn't believe in? You would force your child to murder?
Post by: montana44mag on January 02, 2015, 01:14:45 AM
I watched about half that. Not sure where the author claims his authority. The Framers claimed their authority from Almighty God in accordance with natural law.
That video is a description of natural law and is one of the most "Jeffersonian" productions Ive ever seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I)
I'd like to hear what some Hispanic and Latino peoples have to say about their concept of personal liberty.
Post by: Bean Counter on January 02, 2015, 02:10:42 AM
I appreciate the military tribunal that would take away the liberty of those who would dodge a draft if I am marching my sons off to war..Even if it were your own son who was refusing to kill people? Or to die for something he didn't believe in? You would force your child to murder?
Wow that's a very telling statement... Fighting in a war = murder. Keep running your mouth, please.
My children are imbued with a sense of patriotism and national pride from youth and therefore know better. We don't pledge allegiance to a political party or even a president. We pledge allegiance to our flag. This is our glorious legacy that differs vastly from that of most nations the world has seen rise and fall. Maybe you have forgotten or never learned that.
Post by: montana44mag on January 02, 2015, 02:32:56 AM
I appreciate the military tribunal that would take away the liberty of those who would dodge a draft if I am marching my sons off to war..Even if it were your own son who was refusing to kill people? Or to die for something he didn't believe in? You would force your child to murder?
Wow that's a very telling statement... Fighting in a war = murder. Keep running your mouth, please.
My children are imbued with a sense of patriotism and national pride from youth and therefore know better. We don't pledge allegiance to a political party or even a president. We pledge allegiance to our flag. This is our glorious legacy that differs vastly from that of most nations the world has seen rise and fall. Maybe you have forgotten or never learned that.
Yeah, I remember the Vietnamese were about to take over America, real self defense there. I guess you think Vietnam was worth it? I guess we'll never agree on anything except loving this country and eating backstraps. You better believe if there were a war on OUR soil, Id fight to the death if need be...that's what people do when you invade their homeland.
That whole Gulf of Tonkin thing was sketchy at best as well.
http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/world198_4.html (http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/world198_4.html)
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/tapes.htm (http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/tapes.htm)
Post by: Bean Counter on January 02, 2015, 12:02:00 PM
I guess we'll never agree on anything except loving this country and eating backstraps.
That's a start, boss. Happy New Year to ya. :brew:
Post by: montana44mag on January 04, 2015, 12:38:49 PM