Post by: Wacenturion on December 26, 2014, 10:21:27 AM
Post by: carlyoungs on December 26, 2014, 10:23:59 AM
Post by: Firedogg on December 26, 2014, 10:27:48 AM
My wallet hurts just thinking of buying ammo.
And congrats to your orthopedist on his future vacation after rebuilding your shoulder.
Post by: actionshooter on December 26, 2014, 10:31:12 AM
I'm the same, just had to have one and I never shoot it.
Which model 70 is that? It looks like a classic express with a super grade butt pad.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 26, 2014, 10:32:57 AM
And I recommend Dr Winston Warme at UW for any future shoulder issues...... He did a great job on mine :chuckle:
Post by: Wacenturion on December 26, 2014, 11:00:07 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on December 26, 2014, 11:02:34 AM
Looks great!
I'm the same, just had to have one and I never shoot it.
Which model 70 is that? It looks like a classic express with a super grade butt pad.
It's one of the new FN (South Carolina Model 70's)....Cabelas Ltd. Edition Model 70 Super Grade...2011 I believe. I have a few FN's and love em.
Post by: starbailey on December 26, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
I have a friend that used a 458 win to hunt elk with on west side for years. He's a little older now and figured to give his shoulder a break so he switched to a 375 hh. :chuckle:
Post by: Rich_S on December 26, 2014, 11:12:14 AM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ssbrpg67msnv68/.458%20mag.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ssbrpg67msnv68/.458%20mag.MOV?dl=0)
Post by: hollymaster on December 26, 2014, 11:13:35 AM
Would've been close to the same experience. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: theshade on December 26, 2014, 11:14:25 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 26, 2014, 11:22:22 AM
A group of us were near Las Vegas, shooting at a dry lake. One of the guys brought his .458 Win. Mag. and enough ammo that anybody who dared, could fire it once. This is a very short video of a buddy of mine who tried it. He is 6'4" and 280+ lbs. He kinda hammed it up a bit, but the recoil speaks for itself.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ssbrpg67msnv68/.458%20mag.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ssbrpg67msnv68/.458%20mag.MOV?dl=0)
"OK, now shoulders back and be sure to put most of your weight on your back leg" :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 26, 2014, 11:45:35 AM
A .450 Ackley or .450 Ultra would have flat leveled the guy. :chuckle:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 26, 2014, 11:48:58 AM
With a shooting form like that. A .300 Win mag would have probably resulted in the same rearward step. :tup:
A .450 Ackley or .450 Ultra would have flat leveled the guy. :chuckle:
Maybe it was windy? :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: splitshot on December 26, 2014, 11:55:43 AM
Post by: 87Ford on December 26, 2014, 12:42:46 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 26, 2014, 12:50:29 PM
I was looking at 470ne's a few years back but then I came to my senses as I don't see Africa in my 10 year plan. :chuckle: Oh but I sure love the big bores.375 makes for an outstanding elk rifle! Hell i even used mine on a mule deer this year! :tup:
I have a friend that used a 458 win to hunt elk with on west side for years. He's a little older now and figured to give his shoulder a break so he switched to a 375 hh. :chuckle:
Post by: Bofire on December 26, 2014, 01:37:25 PM
My normal bag game,deer,elk gun is a 300WM has been for 30 years, my custom 300 kicks less than most 06's. My brothers 30-378 is not a big kicker either.
I like the 458 I think you are gonna like it, the stock looks beautiful. I bet you can load reduced loads for fun. There used to be a gunsmith on Pacific in Tacoma, McCanns I think. He built M1 Garands in 458 win mag. I got to shoot one at Tacoma sportsmans range once.
Good luck and report back!!!
Carl
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 26, 2014, 02:12:29 PM
Post by: RadSav on December 26, 2014, 02:38:04 PM
Post by: Stein on December 26, 2014, 02:45:16 PM
My normal bag game,deer,elk gun is a 300WM has been for 30 years, my custom 300 kicks less than most 06's.
:o
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 26, 2014, 02:52:06 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 26, 2014, 03:05:18 PM
Post by: RadSav on December 26, 2014, 03:21:20 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on December 26, 2014, 03:23:24 PM
Post by: birddogdad on December 26, 2014, 03:34:05 PM
Thanks for the input.....looks like I won't need the UW shoulder doctor after all........ :chuckle:
I have one of these myself, hated it for years until I finally decided to get a brake for it. most brakes will HALF felt recoil.. now I can shoot the max loads withtout it shaking my eyes loose or my shoulder black n blue.. a lot like a turkey load in shotgun...
Post by: T Pearce on December 26, 2014, 03:59:34 PM
Post by: actionshooter on December 26, 2014, 04:06:45 PM
There used to be a gunsmith on Pacific in Tacoma, McCanns I think. He built M1 Garands in 458 win mag. I got to shoot one at Tacoma sportsmans range once.
Good luck and report back!!!
Carl
Yep, McCann was around for years, I think he died a few years ago, not sure if anyone is still building them or not.
But cool is exactly what those are.
Post by: RadSav on December 26, 2014, 04:13:42 PM
I dont shoot the kickers from a low bench anymore. I'll setup on the hood of my truck, this seems to help maintain retina position :dunno:
Good tip! More upright when shooting the big bores seems to help take the recoil as well as reduce scope eye.
If using the hood of the truck make sure you remember the scope is above the bore :chuckle: I've seen more than one guide truck with grooves and holes in the hood :yike:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 26, 2014, 04:24:27 PM
There used to be a gunsmith on Pacific in Tacoma, McCanns I think. He built M1 Garands in 458 win mag. I got to shoot one at Tacoma sportsmans range once.
Good luck and report back!!!
Carl
Yep, McCann was around for years, I think he died a few years ago, not sure if anyone is still building them or not.
But cool is exactly what those are.
There was an auction about a year ago and we ended up with a few small things. His wife was trying to sell some of the patents, but I don't know if his .458 project was included.
Post by: T Pearce on December 26, 2014, 04:27:39 PM
Years ago I "Powder Burned" the hood of mom's newer Wagoneer. Lucky for me it was never mentioned cause it never really polished out.I dont shoot the kickers from a low bench anymore. I'll setup on the hood of my truck, this seems to help maintain retina position :dunno:
Good tip! More upright when shooting the big bores seems to help take the recoil as well as reduce scope eye.
If using the hood of the truck make sure you remember the scope is above the bore :chuckle: I've seen more than one guide truck with grooves and holes in the hood :yike:
A friend put 3 7RM rounds through the box of his truck...... it happens :chuckle:
Post by: Wacenturion on December 26, 2014, 05:02:41 PM
Post by: T Pearce on December 26, 2014, 05:12:56 PM
The faster big bores are the scope killers.
Lighted reticle equals dark timber Elk and Black bear hidey holes.
Gun maker D'arcy Echols decided that the 458 Lott was too much to scope IFRC
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 26, 2014, 05:13:01 PM
Post by: T Pearce on December 26, 2014, 05:17:45 PM
That scope would be a good choice, I shot a Burris straight 2.75x on a Ruger No1 Tropical I had in .458 Win Mag. From a low bench with a max charge of powder behind a 500gr bullet. You knew when the trigger broke. ;)Low bench (owch)
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 26, 2014, 05:30:23 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 26, 2014, 05:46:46 PM
You will have a lot of fun with the big bore stuff. My buddy had a 585 built and he just needs to get a stock for it. Then we are going to have some fun with it.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 26, 2014, 06:38:21 PM
Post by: yorketransport on December 26, 2014, 09:36:29 PM
I had an Interarms 458 Win Mag that weighed about 8.5# scoped for a while. We called it "crash" because the recoil was like a minor car wreck every time you shot it. I loved that gun. :chuckle: The only bullet it shot well was the discontinued 400gr Barnes X bullet. It would put 3 of them into about 1.25" at 100 yards with the 4x scope. When I ran out of the bullets I sold the gun. Now I have the 458 Arnold (essentially a 458 Lott) to take it's place. The Arnold does have a muzzle brake on it though. I must be getting soft. :chuckle:
Andrew
Post by: Wacenturion on December 27, 2014, 09:49:23 AM
Post by: Rob on December 27, 2014, 11:23:22 AM
I'll tell you why....
Because they are AWESOME!!!
The classic scope for a bigbore is the Leopold vxIII 1.5-5x20.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/leupold-vx-3-1-5-5x20-rifle-scope.html (http://www.opticsplanet.com/leupold-vx-3-1-5-5x20-rifle-scope.html)
I picked up a VX6 1-6x24 for my 450dakota. It is unreal. The depths of field is astonishing. I can see the front sight on the end of the barrel in full focus while also focused beyond 100 yards. The fov is also amazing with most of the 100 yard target line in the scope at Kenmore. Highly recommend this one!
http://www.opticsplanet.com/leupold-vx-6-1-6x24mm-rifle-scope-matte-black.html (http://www.opticsplanet.com/leupold-vx-6-1-6x24mm-rifle-scope-matte-black.html)
Enjoy your rifle. The recoil on a 458win is very manageable. And shooting an '06 will be a cakewalk.
Post by: Rob on December 27, 2014, 11:26:52 AM
Great wood furniture on that gun!
Post by: birddogdad on December 27, 2014, 07:34:23 PM
Post by: RadSav on December 27, 2014, 07:56:31 PM
I would argue unless you cant see thru the open sights, you really don't need a scope. these have limited range, well within the open sight ability. Brush, quick shots, any angle, perfect! I shoot cast, FMJ and even "plinker" rounds that my nephew used to shoo at targets before I put on a brake. Great addition to your gunsafe!
Dang near identical trajectory to the 30-30 Winchester.
Post by: stevemiller on December 27, 2014, 09:03:51 PM
Post by: argie1891 on December 28, 2014, 02:21:41 PM
Post by: yorketransport on December 28, 2014, 05:44:44 PM
I would argue unless you cant see thru the open sights, you really don't need a scope. these have limited range, well within the open sight ability. Brush, quick shots, any angle, perfect! I shoot cast, FMJ and even "plinker" rounds that my nephew used to shoo at targets before I put on a brake. Great addition to your gunsafe!
Loaded up with some of the 350gr bullets at over 2500 fps (very doable!) it would make a great 200 yard elk gun. The trajectory is better than people think if you move away from the round nose bullets. I have my 458 Arnold sited in at 150 yards with the 450gr TSX. 300 yard hits aren't tough at all with a slight hold over.
Andrew
Post by: birddogdad on December 28, 2014, 06:09:29 PM
I would argue unless you cant see thru the open sights, you really don't need a scope. these have limited range, well within the open sight ability. Brush, quick shots, any angle, perfect! I shoot cast, FMJ and even "plinker" rounds that my nephew used to shoo at targets before I put on a brake. Great addition to your gunsafe!
Loaded up with some of the 350gr bullets at over 2500 fps (very doable!) it would make a great 200 yard elk gun. The trajectory is better than people think if you move away from the round nose bullets. I have my 458 Arnold sited in at 150 yards with the 450gr TSX. 300 yard hits aren't tough at all with a slight hold over.
Andrew
agree, 200 yds is fine open sights, as if I said, you can see well enough to use them...
Post by: Wacenturion on December 28, 2014, 06:28:45 PM
Funny...had a friend (member here) ask me today what the heck I was doing buying an Elephant gun. I finally figured it out. I told him it was because I had watched too many Steward Granger movies as a kid.... :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on December 28, 2014, 08:48:51 PM