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gold tip 7595 with max hunter vanes and twenty grain inserts with 100 shuttle t's. right at 420 grains
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Post by: Whitpirate on January 08, 2015, 09:39:14 PM
Easton A/C/C Pro Hunter, 3 blazer vanes and tipped with a 125gr RadSav head.
Or as I like to call it the "no one stocks this in WA" arrow.
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Easton A/C/C Pro Hunter, 3 blazer vanes and tipped with a 125gr RadSav head.
Or as I like to call it the "no one stocks this in WA" arrow.
Better get em while you can. I believe easton might be discontinuing the ACC pro hunter.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 09, 2015, 06:19:48 PM
I noticed they dropped the price big time this year. I'm gonna order a pile of them in the next week or so. Its an amazing arrow that I'm not ready to part ways with yet.Easton A/C/C Pro Hunter, 3 blazer vanes and tipped with a 125gr RadSav head.
Or as I like to call it the "no one stocks this in WA" arrow.
Better get em while you can. I believe easton might be discontinuing the ACC pro hunter.
This is a true statement :chuckle:Easton A/C/C Pro Hunter, 3 blazer vanes and tipped with a 125gr RadSav head.
Or as I like to call it the "no one stocks this in WA" arrow.
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Post by: RadSav on January 15, 2015, 04:32:57 PM
This is a true statement :chuckle:Easton A/C/C Pro Hunter, 3 blazer vanes and tipped with a 125gr RadSav head.
Or as I like to call it the "no one stocks this in WA" arrow.
Ain't that the crazy truth! One of the best Washington legal arrows and harder than heck to find in this state. I loaded up on them last year. Think I got a break at 10 dozen. Pain only lasted a few weeks :chuckle:
My favorite setup right now is a Maxima 350 w/three AAE Max-Hunter vanes, Beman 23 grain ViBrake inserts and a 100 grain point. Can use this on my 70# 335fps and slower bows when hunting out of state. Can also use it out of my 64# Experience in this state.
Second favorite is the ACC Pro Hunter 390 that I shoot out of the Bear Dark Horse at 64#. This is my blind hunting bow. I shoot 100 grain points out of it with AAE MaxHunter vanes as well. I have a camo version too, but haven't killed much with it in the past few years.
My favorite Washington legal setup is one that bounces back and forth depending on my mood the morning of the hunt. I am equally fond of the ACC Pro Hunter in 340 and the stack of Carbon Express KV Hunters I bought before they discontinued that shaft. I have two bows set and ready to go with each shaft (so four total). I shoot the KV Hunters with Blazer vanes, Easton Micro Nocks, 38 grain brass inserts and 100 grain points. I shoot the ACC PH340's with AAE MaxHunter vanes and 125 grain points.
All arrows are fletched full helical, all use Blazer wraps, 27.5" in length and have an FOC between 12 and 13%.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 15, 2015, 04:38:45 PM
Post by: RadSav on January 15, 2015, 05:10:50 PM
Any truth to the discontinued rumor Rad? My paranoia got the best of me so I ordered 5 dozen a few days ago. If its true I will morgage the house and get some more.
I really have no idea.
This past ATA I was dang near glued to the booth. Got away once and made a straight line to talk with Steve Sims and then straight back. Only shot two arrows this year :o I tried to get D-Rock and MLBowhunting to preview and shoot some bows for me. But beyond that I just didn't get much additional information this year. And of course Easton is still the same arrogant "If you don't have a tv show we aren't interested in speaking with you" attitude they have been the past ten years. So I now have only one single friend related to Easton for information. I will see him at the NABA show in mid February. If you haven't got an answer by then I will find out from Gary at that show. If they are going away I will probably buy at least another gross before they are gone.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 15, 2015, 05:36:49 PM
Roger that. I am gonna just shoot them an email and see if I can get an answer.Any truth to the discontinued rumor Rad? My paranoia got the best of me so I ordered 5 dozen a few days ago. If its true I will morgage the house and get some more.
I really have no idea.
This past ATA I was dang near glued to the booth. Got away once and made a straight line to talk with Steve Sims and then straight back. Only shot two arrows this year :o I tried to get D-Rock and MLBowhunting to preview and shoot some bows for me. But beyond that I just didn't get much additional information this year. And of course Easton is still the same arrogant "If you don't have a tv show we aren't interested in speaking with you" attitude they have been the past ten years. So I now have only one single friend related to Easton for information. I will see him at the NABA show in mid February. If you haven't got an answer by then I will find out from Gary at that show. If they are going away I will probably buy at least another gross before they are gone.
Post by: 270Shooter on January 15, 2015, 06:10:06 PM
Post by: RadSav on January 15, 2015, 06:57:07 PM
Goldtip Kinetic XT's 5575 with 100 gr G5 Strikers, hope to get one bloody this fall.
Hope! What kind of positive mojo is that? Hope is for fools and lovers. :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 15, 2015, 06:59:39 PM
I "hope" they don't disco my arrows! :'(Goldtip Kinetic XT's 5575 with 100 gr G5 Strikers, hope to get one bloody this fall.
Hope! What kind of positive mojo is that? Hope is for fools and lovers. :chuckle:
Post by: 270Shooter on January 15, 2015, 07:01:22 PM
Let me rephrase that, "I plan to get one bloody this fall." lolGoldtip Kinetic XT's 5575 with 100 gr G5 Strikers, hope to get one bloody this fall.
Hope! What kind of positive mojo is that? Hope is for fools and lovers. :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on January 15, 2015, 07:07:25 PM
Let me rephrase that, "I plan to get one bloody this fall." lolGoldtip Kinetic XT's 5575 with 100 gr G5 Strikers, hope to get one bloody this fall.
Hope! What kind of positive mojo is that? Hope is for fools and lovers. :chuckle:
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Do you have boxing glove arrows too? :chuckle: :chuckle:
I learned from that early on. Hit a bear with one and it just made him mad. I won't make that mistake again. :boxin:
Post by: JBar on January 25, 2015, 07:10:45 AM
Easton A/C/C Pro Hunter, 3 blazer vanes and tipped with a 125gr RadSav head.
Or as I like to call it the "no one stocks this in WA" arrow.
Better get em while you can. I believe easton might be discontinuing the ACC pro hunter.
I seen that they are labeling these with the Cabelas name ACComplice so I'm not totally sold that they will discontinue the ACC pro hunter line.
I currently shoot the ACC Pro 390 but will probably switch to something more available and more likely to stay in production GT XT Hunters.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 25, 2015, 08:32:05 AM
Mountain archery cancelled my order because they were out of stock but they still have the 390 shafts available and they are marked down to $119 per dozen. Pretty good deal. I have been on a full on search and destroy mission all morning actually, to find 340 shafts. I grabbed up the last 3 dozen that Lancaster had, and am now sifting through ebay :bash: Interesting about Cabelas though.Easton A/C/C Pro Hunter, 3 blazer vanes and tipped with a 125gr RadSav head.
Or as I like to call it the "no one stocks this in WA" arrow.
Better get em while you can. I believe easton might be discontinuing the ACC pro hunter.
I seen that they are labeling these with the Cabelas name ACComplice so I'm not totally sold that they will discontinue the ACC pro hunter line.
I currently shoot the ACC Pro 390 but will probably switch to something more available and more likely to stay in production GT XT Hunters.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 25, 2015, 08:43:27 AM
Just checked out Cabelas website and sure enough, those are it. $90 for 6 though, I think not! :bash:Easton A/C/C Pro Hunter, 3 blazer vanes and tipped with a 125gr RadSav head.
Or as I like to call it the "no one stocks this in WA" arrow.
Better get em while you can. I believe easton might be discontinuing the ACC pro hunter.
I seen that they are labeling these with the Cabelas name ACComplice so I'm not totally sold that they will discontinue the ACC pro hunter line.
I currently shoot the ACC Pro 390 but will probably switch to something more available and more likely to stay in production GT XT Hunters.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on January 25, 2015, 08:58:10 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on January 25, 2015, 09:20:41 AM
:yike: $90 for 6, I thought my FMJ's were spendy. Good luck on Ebay, I hope you can get some there instead.Just checked out Cabelas website and sure enough, those are it. $90 for 6 though, I think not! :bash:Easton A/C/C Pro Hunter, 3 blazer vanes and tipped with a 125gr RadSav head.
Or as I like to call it the "no one stocks this in WA" arrow.
Better get em while you can. I believe easton might be discontinuing the ACC pro hunter.
I seen that they are labeling these with the Cabelas name ACComplice so I'm not totally sold that they will discontinue the ACC pro hunter line.
I currently shoot the ACC Pro 390 but will probably switch to something more available and more likely to stay in production GT XT Hunters.
Post by: JBar on January 25, 2015, 09:38:06 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 25, 2015, 09:59:47 AM
http://www.mountain-archery.com/Easton-Archery-A/C/C-Pro-Hunting-Shafts.aspx (http://www.mountain-archery.com/Easton-Archery-A/C/C-Pro-Hunting-Shafts.aspx)
Post by: JBar on January 25, 2015, 11:02:29 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 25, 2015, 11:05:12 AM
Thanks! Just picked up a dozen off archery talk last week for $75 so even $119 is hard to choke down. Probably just need to bite the bullet and pick up a dozen to have. I'm giving the GT XT's a try on my next 3D shoot but it'll be hard to switch out for hunting purposes as the PRO's have done really well for that application.Nice! $75 is a smokin deal!
Post by: JBar on January 25, 2015, 11:10:49 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 25, 2015, 11:20:53 AM
Ha, just picked up another 21 for $150. Not quite as good a deal but still... :IBCOOL::kneel: :chuckle:
Post by: earlmarne on January 25, 2015, 11:50:26 AM
I wont be running anything that light ever again unless for 3d or the sort.
Thinking this year I will go with BE rampages with 75 grain insert and 100 grain head.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on January 25, 2015, 12:56:03 PM
Post by: earlmarne on January 25, 2015, 04:59:18 PM
Typed it all into my on target and it comes in dead in the green at 28 inches .250 spine but I always try and err on the stiff side.
Figure I can turn it down or cut it shorter if it wont tune
Post by: SGTDuffman on February 13, 2015, 07:47:20 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on February 14, 2015, 07:25:59 AM
Full Metal Jacket 300, 75gr brass insert, 175gr ABS Samurai. Total weight of about 650 grains. They stop for nothing.Nice, what is the draw weight on your bow?
I assume by your name you are in the military, thanks for your service.
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Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on February 14, 2015, 12:59:11 PM
Worried that it is going to come out weak from a 70 lb decree hd
Typed it all into my on target and it comes in dead in the green at 28 inches .250 spine but I always try and err on the stiff side.
Figure I can turn it down or cut it shorter if it wont tune
I leave mine a little long. That way the broad head sits out past my finger. And it made the difference between the 250 or the 340s. The 250s are way to stiff. Even the 340s seemed brittle but durable enough. I shoot the 125 grizz tricks and four helical fletch. Tunes just fine at 72 lbs for me.
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Post by: Greg Mullins on February 15, 2015, 09:06:51 AM
I think some guys should weigh there arrows :chuckle:
Post by: nw_bowhunter on February 19, 2015, 01:45:59 PM
:yeah:I think some guys should weigh there arrows :chuckle:
I was wondering how some of the GT's setups were making weight. Maybe shooting less than 70 pounds? When I researched getting GT's sizing chart for 70+ pounds chart recommends .300 spine. I know you can add brass weights but most aren't specifying that in their setup except for Coach.
I'm currently shooting Carbon Express Maxima 350's @ 29", brazers vanes, 125 tip and I'm at 420.
Post by: RadSav on February 20, 2015, 01:54:30 AM
Shooting A 402 grain goldtip.
Don't you know you can't kill an elk with that? You must shoot calves! :chuckle:
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Post by: Torrent50 on February 26, 2015, 08:56:24 AM
I was told that I was right on the line between 400 and 340 but would lose about 10 fps if I went to the 340. I am wondering if that is really a big deal or not. Do you think I should go to the 340? I am working on the tuning with the ones I have now, which is all new to me.
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 26, 2015, 09:32:36 AM
I'm pretty new to bowhunting and want to get some input on my arrow setup. My gut tells me that something may be not quite right. I am shooting 67lbs and have FMJ 400's cut to 27 3/4 with a slick trick 100gr standard broadhead. Just weighed one and it was 432 grains. I am getting about 270 to 275 fps with them.Looking at the FMJ website the 340 is 11.3 grains per inch and the 400 is 10.2 grains per inch. I am not that savvy in arrow set up but if your looking for more speed I don't think you will get it with an heavier arrow. You will get more kinetic energy with a heavier arrow I would believe. I maybe also talking out of my butt but logically looking at weights that is what I think would happen.
I was told that I was right on the line between 400 and 340 but would lose about 10 fps if I went to the 340. I am wondering if that is really a big deal or not. Do you think I should go to the 340? I am working on the tuning with the ones I have now, which is all new to me.
Post by: Torrent50 on February 26, 2015, 09:52:59 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 26, 2015, 10:16:40 AM
Not really looking for more speed. I don't think that losing 10 fps would be that big of a deal, but maybe I am wrong. Seems to me that energy is more important than speed, but that's coming from a gun background. Just want to make sure I am shooting the optimum setup. Since I don't know much about tuning a bow, I am guessing that having the wrong setup will make that much more difficult, if not impossible.I would think you have a good setup :tup: but other guys can chime in since I am not an expert :chuckle: just know enough to be dangerous.
Post by: RadSav on February 26, 2015, 10:32:30 AM
Not really looking for more speed. I don't think that losing 10 fps would be that big of a deal, but maybe I am wrong. Seems to me that energy is more important than speed, but that's coming from a gun background. Just want to make sure I am shooting the optimum setup. Since I don't know much about tuning a bow, I am guessing that having the wrong setup will make that much more difficult, if not impossible.
Newer bows I would always error on the stiff side. 10 fps only matters if you are measuring your manhood. When it comes to killing stuff you have plenty of energy if you are on the edge between 400 and 340.
Of course if you are hunting elephants, cape buffalo or Hippo it's not enough energy. Might not be enough energy in North America if you are trying to shoot Walrus. Beyond that, sounds like you have plenty ;)
Post by: lamrith on February 26, 2015, 10:46:15 AM
With 432grn you are over the Min required weight for hunting in WA. Your Min weight is 402grn. You are shooting 270-275fps, while not the cutting edge fastest it is plenty. In fact it is higher than the norm 5-10yrs ago and people been killing big game for centuries with slower. That speed and that arrow weight you have good KE going on. In term of your killing power, you have all you need for sure. Faster can be nice as it can result in a flatter shooting arrow which in turn in theory would be more forgiving of ranging errors.
The real key though is how does your existing set-up shoot for you. Have you shot it with both BH and field tips? Is it consistent, and accurate? If so, I would leave it alone and just keep shooting and become one with your set-up. There are literally pages of threads here and on sights like archery-talk with people that changed a good running package in the search for "more" and spend weeks/months trying to get it dialed back in.
Like Russ I am not an expert on this stuff, and Arrow spine is still a bit of a mystery to me. If the 400's are shooting good I would not mess with anything. But be sure to shoot with both Field Tips and BH now so you know how it works with both. That way if there is an issue you know now and then can make that change to 340 if needed with plenty of time before hunting season. Or possibly look at having a good bow shop do a tune for you and adjust to how you shoot before changing arrows, a good tune does wonders.
I had minor point of impact change between fields and BH, but the consistency of the shots did not change so I stuck with what I had and just bumped my sight to compensate for the drop change.
Post by: Torrent50 on February 26, 2015, 03:16:34 PM
I just got done doing some more shooting and am feeling better about what I have. Maybe there is something to be said for believing in what you are shooting after all.
I really appreciate the input. One of these days I might actually feel like I know what I'm doing.
Post by: lamrith on February 26, 2015, 03:25:07 PM
Just stay at it and keep throwin splinters. Reminds me I need to get mine out and get shooting again, I have not touched it since Nov!
Post by: Rainier10 on February 26, 2015, 03:26:13 PM
Well, I have no plans to shoot walrus, though maybe they would be more my speed.Awesome statement.
Post by: RadSav on February 26, 2015, 05:29:23 PM
I'm a bit paranoid since the arrow setup is the last remnant of my original bow purchase and setup at a large sporting goods retailer who shall remain nameless. I later found out that they not only gave me the wrong bow, but had it all sorts of screwed up.
I just got done doing some more shooting and am feeling better about what I have. Maybe there is something to be said for believing in what you are shooting after all.
My first bow was purchased at a Western Auto store 35 years ago this year. When I shot my first deer I had a Bear quiver that had arrows from Western Auto, True Value and Payless Drugs. I knew them as the Black ones, the Brown ones and the Green ones :chuckle: My broadheads were Satellite, Bear and Bodkin. All in the same quiver while hunting my first few years. I didn't know any better, but I thought they shot great! And since my first two deer went about 10 yards COMBINED...they probably weren't all that bad :dunno:
My third year bowhunting I got a new Bear compound bow from the True Value store. Along with it I got a completely matched set of Nirk cedar arrows. I got six WASP Cam-Lok broadheads and six Zwickey Delta broadheads. Rotated them in the quiver so it was WASP/Zwickey/WASP/Zwickey/WASP/Zwickey....I had loads of confidence in that 65# bow. And I felt as though I might even be breaking the unthinkable 200 fps threshold :IBCOOL: That year I filled all three of my tags with a blacktail buck, a nice bear and a spike elk. After the first few years I was disappointed the deer went a long way after the hit. I bet it went 30 yards with a liver shot. The bear went maybe 15 yards and the elk was shot in the leg with a WASP at 20 yards and made it 60 more yards before a Zwickey went through his liver and diaphragm. An hour later I found him about 40 yards from where that second arrow hit. :whoo:
It was years later when I went to work in an archery shop that I found out that I couldn't kill anything with those early setups. That no one could shoot them accurately and that I was just roaming the woods leaving a trail of wounded animals in my wake. It wasn't until I went to shoot at the Kenmore range that the experts told me everything I shot was crap and that I paid too much for every piece of garbage I owned. And it wasn't until I shot in and won my first 3-D tournament that I learned that my equipment didn't measure up on the big wiener stage :rolleyes: All this time I thought filling the freezer and killing what I aimed at was all that mattered...guess I was wrong all those years :DOH:
"Maybe there is something to be said for believing in what you are shooting after all." To that statement I :bow: :tup:
Post by: Jellymon on February 26, 2015, 06:30:11 PM
Post by: coachcw on February 26, 2015, 08:26:53 PM
I'm pretty new to bowhunting and want to get some input on my arrow setup. My gut tells me that something may be not quite right. I am shooting 67lbs and have FMJ 400's cut to 27 3/4 with a slick trick 100gr standard broadhead. Just weighed one and it was 432 grains. I am getting about 270 to 275 fps with them.your set up is fine at your draw the spine should be fine . If it shoots paper and Flys a broad head the same as a field point stay with it. If you go heavier my guess is she will fall off the table down range. The whole wdfw rule on arrow wieght is a joke , should be a minimum ke not arrow wieght rule .
I was told that I was right on the line between 400 and 340 but would lose about 10 fps if I went to the 340. I am wondering if that is really a big deal or not. Do you think I should go to the 340? I am working on the tuning with the ones I have now, which is all new to me.
Post by: RadSav on February 26, 2015, 11:29:45 PM
I see that advertisement that got Glenn all worked up quite often as I work around the office. Now that I want to make a copy to post I can not find it :bash: I'll post it up if I remember next time it surfaces.
Post by: coachcw on February 27, 2015, 08:42:07 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 27, 2015, 10:27:45 PM
Rav honestly I believe some fourty pound bows shouldn't be used on elk . No o fence to woman and children of course.
The 40# rule for elk should be raised, I agree. Oregon it is 40 for deer and bear 50 for elk, or at least it was when I started. I think that is a pretty good rule even though there is a huge difference between a 45# modern bow and a 45# longbow at a woman and youth draw length. You would think there would be some common sense assumed by hunters. But it's hard to regulate stupid no matter how many laws you pass!
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Post by: RadSav on March 01, 2015, 10:40:16 PM
I'm shooting Beaman MFX 340's with blazers, and Crimson Venom Viper 125 grain broadheads. I just wish I could get my hands on some more on those broadheads.
Might want to show those to a gamie before you use them in Washington state :o
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 02, 2015, 07:57:44 AM
Gold Tip HT Hunters 7595's, Muzzy 100gr 4 blade broad heads, Blazer vanes and Nockturnal lighted nocks, complete pass through on last 3 deer in pass 3 years. This year was a little strange though. I hit just behind the should nicking the shoulder blade with one of the broad head blades which that deflected in into a rib taking that out and causing the arrow to almost a 90 degree turn exiting out just in front the back hip on the other side. Probably going to with 125 gr broad heads for this year.So I use this setup on my Bowtech Destoyer 340 a 63lbs draw and draw length 29" for now. I just got a Hoyt Turbotec 80lb draw and 30" draw length. Now if I turn down the bow poundage to 70lbs I will be right at the state limit with 125gr broad heads. Weight of my arrows with 125gr heads is 436gr. What would you all recommend if I want to keep the bow at 80lbs? At that legal weight would be 480gr. I thought about going to the Gold Tip Kinetic line but I really like my Hunters.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 02, 2015, 08:51:34 AM
:yeah:I'm shooting Beaman MFX 340's with blazers, and Crimson Venom Viper 125 grain broadheads. I just wish I could get my hands on some more on those broadheads.
Might want to show those to a gamie before you use them in Washington state :o
I would call that "barbed" and definitely not smooth back to the shaft.
Post by: goody31 on March 02, 2015, 02:58:27 PM
:yeah:I'm shooting Beaman MFX 340's with blazers, and Crimson Venom Viper 125 grain broadheads. I just wish I could get my hands on some more on those broadheads.
Might want to show those to a gamie before you use them in Washington state :o
I would call that "barbed" and definitely not smooth back to the shaft.
The gamie in Bumping and from twisp area didn't think they were barbed when they checked me. I just like the way they cut thru deer. I would like to actually get a shot at an elk one of these years...
Post by: RadSav on March 02, 2015, 03:17:20 PM
Would be nice if the WDFW would clarify the rule since this is not the first time broadheads that are clearly in violation of the rule get a pass. If the state doesn't care then they need to get rid of that rule all together. Would make life for bowhunters and archery shops a whole lot easier if you didn't have to second guess every broadhead with a bump, dip, curve or jag.
Post by: goody31 on March 02, 2015, 03:29:34 PM
They do look like this, right? Not sure how you can read the regulations and determine that is not a barbed head. Did the gamie ask you out on a date afterward :chuckle:
Would be nice if the WDFW would clarify the rule since this is not the first time broadheads that are clearly in violation of the rule get a pass. If the state doesn't care then they need to get rid of that rule all together. Would make life for bowhunters and archery shops a whole lot easier if you didn't have to second guess every broadhead with a bump, dip, curve or jag.
Yes those are them, and I was told they don't "angle back to the shaft" as it reads, they step down towards the base of the arrow where it threads. And yes it's always clear as mud in the regs. Now those guys might not of cared when they checked but some rookie out there making a name for themselves might next time. Its a crap shoot either way. Who knows maybe this year they will take it out of the regs with the mechanical's being introduced since most of them all angle back to the shaft.
Post by: RadSav on March 02, 2015, 04:40:39 PM
with a broadhead blade unless the
broadhead is unbarbed and completely
closed at the back end of the blade or
blades by a smooth, unbroken surface
starting at maximum blade width and
forming a smooth line toward the feather
end of the shaft and such line does not angle
toward the point.
I think you might have read it backward. As written it is clear that a smooth unbroken line must angle from the widest point toward the feathered end of the shaft. Back when this rule was new there were tickets written for Brute broadheads that had even a slight curve that arched from the widest point ever so slightly toward the point before continuing the arch toward the fletching. I field tested a two blade broadhead back in the eighties called the Calmont Super2. It was similar in design to the one piece ferruled Bear Razorhead but 1.5" wide and completely flat at the back of the blade. It did not angle toward the point or the nock being completely square to the shaft. I was told by WDFW that it too was illegal in Washington state and I had to field test it in Oregon, California, South Carolina and Texas instead.
Most of the popular expendables are not barbed. Some are without question, but most have blades that will fold forward eliminating and chance of a barb. Most pull from an animal with much less effort than a legal fixed head. I believe the regulations will clarify that a legal expandable would be required to fold/swivel forward in an unbarbed manner. Quite a few states that read that way and it would be easy for this state to just cut and paste unless they worry about plagiarism :rolleyes:
Most broadheads from todays high performance bows completely penetrate. Even my wife and her little bow shooting three blade broadheads penetrate most every deer or bear she shoots. So barbed is not the horrible thing it was when recurves and longbows ruled the sport. But poor penetration still happens on occasion. And we as good stewards need to be vigilant in our efforts to make sure a non-vital arrow strike doesn't become the next viral Youtube video and ammunition for the anti-hunting/anti-bowhunting extremists. If we have to pay some inconvenience in doing so...that might not be the worst thing :dunno:
Post by: coachcw on March 03, 2015, 08:25:58 PM
I know a guy that has a bunch of 2419 ? :chuckle:, maybe for that bow ....... ;)Gold Tip HT Hunters 7595's, Muzzy 100gr 4 blade broad heads, Blazer vanes and Nockturnal lighted nocks, complete pass through on last 3 deer in pass 3 years. This year was a little strange though. I hit just behind the should nicking the shoulder blade with one of the broad head blades which that deflected in into a rib taking that out and causing the arrow to almost a 90 degree turn exiting out just in front the back hip on the other side. Probably going to with 125 gr broad heads for this year.So I use this setup on my Bowtech Destoyer 340 a 63lbs draw and draw length 29" for now. I just got a Hoyt Turbotec 80lb draw and 30" draw length. Now if I turn down the bow poundage to 70lbs I will be right at the state limit with 125gr broad heads. Weight of my arrows with 125gr heads is 436gr. What would you all recommend if I want to keep the bow at 80lbs? At that legal weight would be 480gr. I thought about going to the Gold Tip Kinetic line but I really like my Hunters.
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 03, 2015, 08:31:47 PM
Really. I wonder who that is. :chuckle:I know a guy that has a bunch of 2419 ? :chuckle:, maybe for that bow ....... ;)Gold Tip HT Hunters 7595's, Muzzy 100gr 4 blade broad heads, Blazer vanes and Nockturnal lighted nocks, complete pass through on last 3 deer in pass 3 years. This year was a little strange though. I hit just behind the should nicking the shoulder blade with one of the broad head blades which that deflected in into a rib taking that out and causing the arrow to almost a 90 degree turn exiting out just in front the back hip on the other side. Probably going to with 125 gr broad heads for this year.So I use this setup on my Bowtech Destoyer 340 a 63lbs draw and draw length 29" for now. I just got a Hoyt Turbotec 80lb draw and 30" draw length. Now if I turn down the bow poundage to 70lbs I will be right at the state limit with 125gr broad heads. Weight of my arrows with 125gr heads is 436gr. What would you all recommend if I want to keep the bow at 80lbs? At that legal weight would be 480gr. I thought about going to the Gold Tip Kinetic line but I really like my Hunters.
Post by: coachcw on March 03, 2015, 08:44:53 PM
nothing like using big sticks. I'm gonna push van 250 with the 95 grain inserts and 80 lbs limbs on my insanity.Really. I wonder who that is. :chuckle:I know a guy that has a bunch of 2419 ? :chuckle:, maybe for that bow ....... ;)Gold Tip HT Hunters 7595's, Muzzy 100gr 4 blade broad heads, Blazer vanes and Nockturnal lighted nocks, complete pass through on last 3 deer in pass 3 years. This year was a little strange though. I hit just behind the should nicking the shoulder blade with one of the broad head blades which that deflected in into a rib taking that out and causing the arrow to almost a 90 degree turn exiting out just in front the back hip on the other side. Probably going to with 125 gr broad heads for this year.So I use this setup on my Bowtech Destoyer 340 a 63lbs draw and draw length 29" for now. I just got a Hoyt Turbotec 80lb draw and 30" draw length. Now if I turn down the bow poundage to 70lbs I will be right at the state limit with 125gr broad heads. Weight of my arrows with 125gr heads is 436gr. What would you all recommend if I want to keep the bow at 80lbs? At that legal weight would be 480gr. I thought about going to the Gold Tip Kinetic line but I really like my Hunters.
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 03, 2015, 08:52:41 PM
I would have said 80lbs I crazy but after drawing that bow it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought.nothing like using big sticks. I'm gonna push van 250 with the 95 grain inserts and 80 lbs limbs on my insanity.Really. I wonder who that is. :chuckle:I know a guy that has a bunch of 2419 ? :chuckle:, maybe for that bow ....... ;)Gold Tip HT Hunters 7595's, Muzzy 100gr 4 blade broad heads, Blazer vanes and Nockturnal lighted nocks, complete pass through on last 3 deer in pass 3 years. This year was a little strange though. I hit just behind the should nicking the shoulder blade with one of the broad head blades which that deflected in into a rib taking that out and causing the arrow to almost a 90 degree turn exiting out just in front the back hip on the other side. Probably going to with 125 gr broad heads for this year.So I use this setup on my Bowtech Destoyer 340 a 63lbs draw and draw length 29" for now. I just got a Hoyt Turbotec 80lb draw and 30" draw length. Now if I turn down the bow poundage to 70lbs I will be right at the state limit with 125gr broad heads. Weight of my arrows with 125gr heads is 436gr. What would you all recommend if I want to keep the bow at 80lbs? At that legal weight would be 480gr. I thought about going to the Gold Tip Kinetic line but I really like my Hunters.
Post by: RadSav on March 03, 2015, 08:58:48 PM
I know a guy that has a bunch of 2419 ? :chuckle:, maybe for that bow ....... ;)
I love Lincoln Logs. They're fun!
Post by: sneakyjake on March 03, 2015, 09:31:19 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 03, 2015, 11:51:44 PM
I also noticed I hit the heart more often and the liver less leading to shorter blood trails. If I have to blood trail at all! I also noticed I could hold steady enough, long enough that I could shoot when I wanted to instead of when I needed to. Of course those heavy arrows out of the 80# bow did break bricks and stacks of glass better than my 70# bows. ;)
I've also noticed that my effective range is longer with the 70# bow than it was with the 80# bow. And actually it is even better now with 63-65# than it was at 70#. But some things are the same. When I shoot an elk at the base of the scapula, just above the ball joint, my arrows stick just like they did at 70# and just as they did at 80#. I now break the ball joint when I hit it solid just like I did when I shot 70# and just as I did at 80# too.
I was always amazed that no one was impressed when I missed when shooting 80#. But I have impressed myself with all the hearts I've hit with these new wimpy bows 8) I quit shooting 80# when I tore a rotator cuff hunting in below zero temperatures trying to shoot back over my left shoulder. Not that I wanted to give the impression that my wiener shrunk, but because I had to. I finished my season shooting 55# left handed and put a spike in the freezer after a 45 yard shot and a 10 yard blood trail. That's when I realized the injury just might be the best thing that ever happed to me. After the pain was gone it really was the best thing to happen to me.
I'd happily shoot 80# again if I ever decided to hunt Cape Buffalo or hippo. But until then I'll be happy losing those "Man Points" and replace them with trophy points. I am married after all so Man Points buy me NOTHING! A full freezer does buy me a happy wife though :chuckle:
Post by: coachcw on March 04, 2015, 07:00:23 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 04, 2015, 07:48:35 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 04, 2015, 07:55:36 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on March 04, 2015, 08:31:33 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 04, 2015, 08:40:31 AM
Up until last year the Idaho state record was taken with a 58# compound bow with a 26" draw length. Also with a 100 grain Savora broadhead, BTW :chuckle: So you should have plenty of bow if you can find the time.
Post by: Encore 280 on March 04, 2015, 08:54:16 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 04, 2015, 09:50:11 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on March 04, 2015, 10:33:26 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 04, 2015, 10:41:04 AM
Ok so the more distance between the axels means easier draw? My 3G is 33" between axels so I guess that would explain it then. I'm gradually getting used to it though. Next step is 65# maybe in a couple weeks or a couple months I'll crank it up a turn or two.That is what I have noticed. I might be wrong though. I am surely not an expert here :chuckle:
Post by: coachcw on March 04, 2015, 01:32:26 PM
Shoot in sub freezing temperatures or after charging up a hill to cut off a bull and you may wish you had a 70# bow. Although if you're a lucky bass and just drive up to your raffle bull with the truck... :chuckle: :chuckle:I used to shoot a 100lbs martin fury so I guess dropping down to a 80 lbs bow makes it feel like butter . Rav its ok if your weak your still a good guy . :chuckle:
Post by: Encore 280 on March 04, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 04, 2015, 03:53:59 PM
Post by: Encore 280 on March 04, 2015, 04:06:16 PM
Post by: coachcw on March 04, 2015, 04:54:11 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 04, 2015, 06:44:12 PM
Ok so I was just outside shooting and I'm thinking "60# draw weight on a bow so what does it matter if the axel distance is 33" or 37", you're still pulling 60#" :bash: Right? :dunno: Ok I'm going back out and shoot some more.
At the same draw length the longer axel to axel generally speaking has a shorter peak force draw curve. So even though it may still be 60# the distance the arrow travels while being thrust by the full 60# in shorter. Bow manufacturers are making this less as issue as in years past, but in general this still hold true.
Post by: Encore 280 on March 04, 2015, 07:01:24 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 04, 2015, 07:59:48 PM
So the angle of the string on a bow with axels farther apart is going to be less and the way I see it (I'm Norwegian) the force will be less than a bow with a shorter distance between axels and more angle on the string meaning more force at let off time. I'm thinking both bows with 28" draw length. This is really going south I think. Sorry guys. :chuckle:
For the most part that is correct. Though a few inches in A2A difference usually adds up to very little.
Of course a longer bow like Coach's with his long draw length will have more energy than a 30" bow at 27 inch draw length of the same draw weight. However, a short draw length bow at 80# may store the same energy in it's force draw curve as a longer draw length bow at 70# giving them the same stored energy and nearly the same speed if arrow weight and system drag are near equal.
Post by: coachcw on March 04, 2015, 08:27:26 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 05, 2015, 04:07:29 AM
I used to shoot a 100lbs martin fury so I guess dropping down to a 80 lbs bow makes it feel like butter . Rav its ok if your weak your still a good guy . :chuckle:
With age comes wisdom. You'll get there some day :tung:
Post by: coachcw on March 05, 2015, 06:42:57 AM
maybe but you will be to old to remember that you told ne so :chuckle:I used to shoot a 100lbs martin fury so I guess dropping down to a 80 lbs bow makes it feel like butter . Rav its ok if your weak your still a good guy . :chuckle:
With age comes wisdom. You'll get there some day :tung:
Post by: coachcw on March 14, 2015, 11:22:00 AM
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Post by: whackmaster on March 15, 2015, 08:38:19 AM
No cpxl. My overdrive. Is a 70 ,Awesome set up :tup:
Post by: Greg Mullins on March 15, 2015, 08:29:53 PM