Post by: KFhunter on January 15, 2015, 01:10:59 PM
Post by: AspenBud on January 15, 2015, 01:37:46 PM
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wolf-news/bc-remove-24-wolves-save-selkirk-caribou/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wolf-news/bc-remove-24-wolves-save-selkirk-caribou/)
First, thanks for posting this.
Second, this is a good one to really hammer CNW, HSUS, and other groups pressuring WDFW and even the Fed to protect "endangered wolves." They don't like it when someone points out to them that another more endangered species is now threatened by their policies regarding wolves. Many people don't even know about the caribou.
Post by: asl20bball on January 15, 2015, 02:13:32 PM
"...hunting and trapping hasn't work" (with the wolves). No surprise there. Unfortunately wolves will not be controlled by hunting/trapping alone. History has proven that already.
Post by: GBoyd on January 15, 2015, 02:59:35 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on January 15, 2015, 03:19:31 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 15, 2015, 03:39:20 PM
Post by: villageidiot on January 15, 2015, 06:46:27 PM
Looking at other states and the potential growth of wolves we should be doubling our wolf population every year. Last year I believe WDFW said it increased by one. What a joke! Ever wonder where the others went to?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 15, 2015, 07:01:56 PM
Post by: NWBREW on January 15, 2015, 07:03:40 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 15, 2015, 07:27:03 PM
Not as many wolves 14 years ago. Less impact. It may be too late but I'm glad they are starting to do something.
I know. But they could of done something before there were only a couple/few caribou left. It's to bad things have to be studied to death when it's darn near too late to do anything right...
Post by: bearpaw on January 15, 2015, 07:34:16 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 15, 2015, 07:37:51 PM
Post by: kentrek on January 15, 2015, 07:53:49 PM
I brought this exact issue up to the wildlife commission with no response, it was as if they didn't care, all that mattered was wolves!
It's amazing how some animals are more "privileged" than others....it's stuff like this that gives me little confidence in our state/general public to protect our wildlife
Post by: lokidog on January 15, 2015, 09:02:45 PM
I brought this exact issue up to the wildlife commission with no response, it was as if they didn't care, all that mattered was wolves!
It's amazing how some animals are more "privileged" than others....it's stuff like this that gives me little confidence in our state/general public to protect our wildlife
:yeah:
Post by: Curly on January 16, 2015, 02:38:12 AM
Post by: PA BEN on January 16, 2015, 06:49:34 AM
The livestock industry is and will be the hardest hit by the wolves. If the wolf groups can come up with real compensation for livestock losses then and only then will the wolf population increase to any degree. Right now all the livestock owners get is a head nod and potential compensation. The wolfies tell the news media they are compensating the livestock owners which rarely happens. Most all the the cattlemen have observed and know others that have lost cattle so just lock and load and don't even consider reporting anything. The wolves have moved into the Republic and Oroville area but they are running into very inhospitable habitat.At the wolf meeting in Colville they said that they are growing at a 38% rate.
Looking at other states and the potential growth of wolves we should be doubling our wolf population every year. Last year I believe WDFW said it increased by one. What a joke! Ever wonder where the others went to?
Post by: trophyhunt on January 16, 2015, 07:22:51 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 16, 2015, 08:03:21 AM
I brought this exact issue up to the wildlife commission with no response, it was as if they didn't care, all that mattered was wolves!
I know that several of us brought this up to the Wildlife Commission before the plan was adopted. They didn't care about them or the final remaining indigenous Cascade wolves. IMO, this clearly illuminates the strategy of some to use wolves as a vehicle to end big game hunting. They don't care about the wolves, or the caribou for that matter. They want to forward anti-hunting objectives. While this may not be true of all who support the outrageous wolf plan, it is certainly true of a great many. This will be my only post in this thread to avoid confrontation as requested.
Post by: bearpaw on January 16, 2015, 12:49:12 PM
I wonder what the Canadians think about wolf reintroduction in this country?
The Canadians I know, many of them, are still laughing and cracking jokes that we paid something like $10,000 each to buy Canadian wolves when they would have given them to us for free, as many as we want, so they could get rid of them! Serious, Canadians are laughing like crazy about that!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 16, 2015, 02:53:31 PM
Post by: Southpole on January 16, 2015, 03:44:15 PM
That pretty much sums it up. People need to look waaay further ahead to the end goal. Wolves, grizzlies and cats are supposed replace hunters in this state. In my opinion I don't think Washington will ever delist the wolf. The state will hire "Animal Control" agents to take care of problem animals and Indians will continue to hunt. It sounds crazy and I REALLY hope I'm wrong. Maybe this won't happen with the new director heading up the department. Thanks Canada, blaze away!I brought this exact issue up to the wildlife commission with no response, it was as if they didn't care, all that mattered was wolves!
I know that several of us brought this up to the Wildlife Commission before the plan was adopted. They didn't care about them or the final remaining indigenous Cascade wolves. IMO, this clearly illuminates the strategy of some to use wolves as a vehicle to end big game hunting. They don't care about the wolves, or the caribou for that matter. They want to forward anti-hunting objectives. While this may not be true of all who support the outrageous wolf plan, it is certainly true of a great many. This will be my only post in this thread to avoid confrontation as requested.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 17, 2015, 07:41:38 AM
Post by: wolfbait on January 17, 2015, 09:21:56 AM
That pretty much sums it up. People need to look waaay further ahead to the end goal. Wolves, grizzlies and cats are supposed replace hunters in this state. In my opinion I don't think Washington will ever delist the wolf. The state will hire "Animal Control" agents to take care of problem animals and Indians will continue to hunt. It sounds crazy and I REALLY hope I'm wrong. Maybe this won't happen with the new director heading up the department. Thank Canada, blaze away!I brought this exact issue up to the wildlife commission with no response, it was as if they didn't care, all that mattered was wolves!
I know that several of us brought this up to the Wildlife Commission before the plan was adopted. They didn't care about them or the final remaining indigenous Cascade wolves. IMO, this clearly illuminates the strategy of some to use wolves as a vehicle to end big game hunting. They don't care about the wolves, or the caribou for that matter. They want to forward anti-hunting objectives. While this may not be true of all who support the outrageous wolf plan, it is certainly true of a great many. This will be my only post in this thread to avoid confrontation as requested.
:yeah: :bash: :bash:
Post by: KFhunter on January 17, 2015, 09:31:37 AM
That pretty much sums it up. People need to look waaay further ahead to the end goal. Wolves, grizzlies and cats are supposed replace hunters and livestock growers in this state. In my opinion I don't think Washington will ever delist the wolf. The state will hire "Animal Control" agents to take care of problem animals and Indians will continue to hunt. It sounds crazy and I REALLY hope I'm wrong. Maybe this won't happen with the new director heading up the department. Thank Canada, blaze away!I brought this exact issue up to the wildlife commission with no response, it was as if they didn't care, all that mattered was wolves!
I know that several of us brought this up to the Wildlife Commission before the plan was adopted. They didn't care about them or the final remaining indigenous Cascade wolves. IMO, this clearly illuminates the strategy of some to use wolves as a vehicle to end big game hunting. They don't care about the wolves, or the caribou for that matter. They want to forward anti-hunting objectives. While this may not be true of all who support the outrageous wolf plan, it is certainly true of a great many. This will be my only post in this thread to avoid confrontation as requested.
added to your post. Keep in mind the bulk of livestock killed in WA was killed on private lands not public.
Post by: Southpole on January 17, 2015, 10:17:17 AM
:tup:That pretty much sums it up. People need to look waaay further ahead to the end goal. Wolves, grizzlies and cats are supposed replace hunters and livestock growers in this state. In my opinion I don't think Washington will ever delist the wolf. The state will hire "Animal Control" agents to take care of problem animals and Indians will continue to hunt. It sounds crazy and I REALLY hope I'm wrong. Maybe this won't happen with the new director heading up the department. Thank Canada, blaze away!I brought this exact issue up to the wildlife commission with no response, it was as if they didn't care, all that mattered was wolves!
I know that several of us brought this up to the Wildlife Commission before the plan was adopted. They didn't care about them or the final remaining indigenous Cascade wolves. IMO, this clearly illuminates the strategy of some to use wolves as a vehicle to end big game hunting. They don't care about the wolves, or the caribou for that matter. They want to forward anti-hunting objectives. While this may not be true of all who support the outrageous wolf plan, it is certainly true of a great many. This will be my only post in this thread to avoid confrontation as requested.
added to your post. Keep in mind the bulk of livestock killed in WA was killed on private lands not public.
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 18, 2015, 07:42:00 AM
I brought this exact issue up to the wildlife commission with no response, it was as if they didn't care, all that mattered was wolves!
These are the same wolves that the WDFW refused to acknowledge in this state and termed them transit packs. This applys to the entire Washington/Canada line.
Post by: Eli346 on January 18, 2015, 11:38:25 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 18, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
I'm hoping they don't let the elk herd get down to 18 ungulates before deciding that maybe reintroducing wolves without a plan was a good idea!
Until the WDFW reach the wolf management goals you will see no interaction to protect any other resource. That means having breeding pairs in Southwest Washington for I believe 3 years. That being the case you do the math on what will be left!
People always reminise about the "Good Old Days". Right now you are living them!!
Post by: wolfbait on January 18, 2015, 01:42:04 PM
I'm hoping they don't let the elk herd get down to 18 ungulates before deciding that maybe reintroducing wolves without a plan was a good idea!
Until the WDFW reach the wolf management goals you will see no interaction to protect any other resource. That means having breeding pairs in Southwest Washington for I believe 3 years. That being the case you do the math on what will be left!
People always reminise about the "Good Old Days". Right now you are living them!!
WDFW have stated it will be 6-7 years before they have enough BP's to delist, I wonder how they know that? Magic Ball?
Post by: wolfbait on January 19, 2015, 08:26:17 AM
Up to 24 wolves in British Columbia just north of Idaho will be shot by helicopter gunners this winter in an effort to save the 18 remaining southern Selkirk Mountains woodland caribou from extinction.
The Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resources formally announced the wolf removal effort Thursday, but the planning has been underway for more than a year, said Wayne Wakkinen, Idaho Fish and Game Department regional wildlife manager in Coeur d’Alene.
Both the predators and their prey roam across the U.S.-Canada border into North Idaho and the northeastern corner of Washington. The caribou have been listed as an endangered species in the United States since 1984, and they’re also protected in British Columbia.
Idaho and Washington wildlife officials have been consulted, as well as First Nations, the U.S. Forest Service and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Canadian officials said.
In the South Peace region of the province, officials announced plans to kill 120 to 160 wolves to save caribou herds threatened by predation. In the four caribou herds that roam that region, at least 37 percent of all adult mortalities have been documented as wolf predations, Canadian officials said.
The South Selkirk herd has declined from 46 caribou in 2009 to 27 in 2012 and to 18 in a survey conducted 10 months ago. Evidence points to wolves being the leading cause of mortality, officials said.
Caribou in the South Selkirk Mountains have been struggling, largely from losses of old-growth habitat and related issues, despite releases of new animals in Canada to bolster the numbers. Snowmobiling has been restricted in most of the core recovery area in Canada and the United States.
“B.C. considered removing wolves last year,” Wakkinen said. “We authorized them to operate into Idaho up to 12 miles for any wolf control action to benefit caribou, but they never used it.”
Six of the South Selkirk caribou were captured last winter and radio-collared. While monitoring the animals, Canadian researchers learned that two caribou – 11 percent of the remaining herd – were killed by wolves in the past 10 months.
The researchers later captured and fixed radio collars on wolves in two of the three packs in the Selkirk Caribou Recovery Zone to monitor their movements.
“The wolves were collared with the intent of a control action later this winter to eliminate those wolf packs in the caribou recovery area,” Wakkinen said.
Mountain lions also have killed caribou in the wider Purcell’s-Selkirk region, ministry reports say.
“Two of the wolf packs are north of B.C. Highway 3, and one is south of the highway and often right on the border in the northern tier of Idaho,” Wakkinen said. Wolves regularly roam the Boundary Lake area of Idaho, he said.
Last week, radio-collared caribou were in Washington “within a slingshot distance of Canada and Idaho,” Wakkinen said.
Washington has not given Canadian officials authority for wolf control, said state Fish and Wildlife wolf policy director Dave Ware.
Hunting and trapping of wolves in British Columbia have not effectively reduced populations and may even split up packs and increase predation rates on caribou, officials said.
Habitat recovery continues to be an important part of caribou recovery but cannot address the critical needs of these herds in the short term, they said.
http://www.spokesman.com/outdoors/stories/2015/jan/17/wolves-predators-of-caribou-will-be-killed-by-bc/ (http://www.spokesman.com/outdoors/stories/2015/jan/17/wolves-predators-of-caribou-will-be-killed-by-bc/)
"Washington has not given Canadian officials authority for wolf control, said state Fish and Wildlife wolf policy director Dave Ware."
Post by: jasnt on January 19, 2015, 09:25:48 AM
I'm hoping they don't let the elk herd get down to 18 ungulates before deciding that maybe reintroducing wolves without a plan was a good idea!
Until the WDFW reach the wolf management goals you will see no interaction to protect any other resource. That means having breeding pairs in Southwest Washington for I believe 3 years. That being the case you do the math on what will be left!
People always reminise about the "Good Old Days". Right now you are living them!!
:yeah:
Post by: Roundhead on February 03, 2015, 08:23:28 PM
Marie-France
January 15, 2015 at 6:37 pm
And why can the wolves not be relocated? Why must they lose their lives?
Post by: wolfbait on February 03, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
I'm hoping they don't let the elk herd get down to 18 ungulates before deciding that maybe reintroducing wolves without a plan was a good idea!
Until the WDFW reach the wolf management goals you will see no interaction to protect any other resource. That means having breeding pairs in Southwest Washington for I believe 3 years. That being the case you do the math on what will be left!
People always reminise about the "Good Old Days". Right now you are living them!!
Just like IDFG!
"But regardless of what IDFG may say now as more Idahoans are learning the extent of the extreme wolf damage to our deer and elk herds, Director Groen, Deputy Director Unsworth and virtually every other IDFG official have made it abundantly clear that their only goal concerning wolves has been to build a huntable population of wolves as a big game trophy species and ignore their impact on Idaho wildlife and rural Idaho citizens."
http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/Outdoorsman_No_38_Feb-April_2010_IdahoFG_Director_Warns_FG_Commission_Not_to_Show_Controversial_Wolf_Documents_to_Public.pdf (http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/Outdoorsman_No_38_Feb-April_2010_IdahoFG_Director_Warns_FG_Commission_Not_to_Show_Controversial_Wolf_Documents_to_Public.pdf)
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