Post by: ghosthunter on January 16, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Legislature-weighs-ban-on-openly-carrying-guns-in-chamber-288857421.html (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Legislature-weighs-ban-on-openly-carrying-guns-in-chamber-288857421.html)
Post by: WSU on January 16, 2015, 03:52:46 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on January 16, 2015, 03:53:41 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 16, 2015, 04:05:06 PM
Post by: Bob33 on January 16, 2015, 04:15:52 PM
Those protesters are doing way more harm than good. Nothing like skinheads in gas masks with guns protesting to help the cause.Gottlieb agrees."The devil could be in the details," he said. "But I understand the concern. I share it."
They made their point, loud and clear.
Post by: timberfaller on January 16, 2015, 09:21:11 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 16, 2015, 09:30:27 PM
Maybe they are antis looking to play the part and use bad behavior to shift public opinion to their real side.
That seems like a long shot
Post by: Bob33 on January 16, 2015, 09:35:27 PM
Post by: timberfaller on January 16, 2015, 09:39:28 PM
NOT in today's world!! :o
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 17, 2015, 07:09:04 AM
"That seems like a long shot"
NOT in today's world!! :o
I think it is, do you have evidence on the contrary? This person is also named in a captioned photograph on the KOMO website. Do you think it is likely he is being duped by the other members of his group? Those protesters must be who they seem, just a little googling will dispel any notions of a black-ops disinformation acting campaign by antis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw5Lt2hSTtI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw5Lt2hSTtI)
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Legislature-weighs-ban-on-openly-carrying-guns-in-chamber-288857421.html?tab=gallery&c=y&img=6 (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Legislature-weighs-ban-on-openly-carrying-guns-in-chamber-288857421.html?tab=gallery&c=y&img=6)
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 17, 2015, 07:15:04 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on January 17, 2015, 07:19:09 AM
These guys will continue to convince the rest of the public that gun owners are whack jobs. Thanks guys! :tup::yeah: I don't see how demonstrations like that help gun owners in any way.
Post by: netcoyote on January 17, 2015, 07:36:25 AM
Post by: Special T on January 17, 2015, 07:58:15 AM
Post by: Bob33 on January 17, 2015, 08:08:18 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 17, 2015, 08:36:17 AM
Post by: SCRUBS on January 17, 2015, 09:21:09 AM
These guys will continue to convince the rest of the public that gun owners are whack jobs. Thanks guys! :tup::yeah: I don't see how demonstrations like that help gun owners in any way.
:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: Kittman on January 17, 2015, 09:56:51 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on January 17, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
It would not really matter if it was airsofts they were wielding. It is the fear they represent to the Sheeple. The law will pass and thus provide another potential "Safe From Guns" hotspot for a perpetrator of a murder suicide whacko to gravitate to.
Not a law.
Change of rules.
And it has been finalized according to the Skagit Valley Herald this am.
No More guns in Chamber :tdown: :bow:
Post by: netcoyote on January 17, 2015, 10:48:49 AM
Shoving your right to bear arms in the face of others to make a point is stupid and counter productive.
After all, isn't this what many of us dislike about other groups? I don't dislike gays, liberals, minorities or others who have different opinions of the world than me. What I dislike is having any of them try to shove their opinions in my face like I should somehow entirely agree with them without reservation. BS.
When I have visitors who I know dislike guns, I will be sensitive to that and not purposely bring up a gun related topic. If they start it, I will take the conversation as far as they are comfortable with and then drop it. No preaching. I hate being preached to and respect others right to not have to endure it.
Post by: baldopepper on January 17, 2015, 11:49:43 AM
The picture actually reminded me of a Muslim demonstration in Iraq. The only thing missing was firing the guns in the air. Sooner or later, someone will make a mistake and do that, too.Same thought that I had. In light of the recent events in Europe, this moronic fringe group couldn't have picked a worse time to pull a stunt like that. Once again we law-abiding, sensible gun owners are going to get painted with the mud covered brush that these types create. Geeze they make it easy for the anti 's to get legislation passed. I felt my stomach turn when I saw the picture in this mornings Seattle Times.
Post by: idahohuntr on January 17, 2015, 12:05:00 PM
Post by: bradslam on January 17, 2015, 12:25:41 PM
Post by: 300rum on January 17, 2015, 01:32:54 PM
Post by: 300rum on January 17, 2015, 01:39:41 PM
I felt my stomach turn when I saw the picture in this mornings Seattle Times.
I am suprised to why people would get the Seattle Times? I however get the same feeling whenever I look at most newspapers.
Post by: KFhunter on January 17, 2015, 01:43:35 PM
This isn't a fringe group nor a fringe issue, it's a 2a issue and 99% of us on this forum are gun owners affected in some way by 594
It would have been nice to see well dressed professional types with concealed carry's doing it though.
Post by: 300rum on January 17, 2015, 01:50:22 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 17, 2015, 01:52:05 PM
Post by: 300rum on January 17, 2015, 01:54:28 PM
They didn't ban concealed...just open carry stating it falls under props like signs/banners. I kind of wonder what else could fall under there interpretation--could druggies not wear dredlocks or have pot symbols on their clothes, would the smell of patchouli and weed be a prop, gays not wear rainbow clothes, bikers not wear leather jackets with patches, cowboys no longer wear hats?
Post by: Bob33 on January 17, 2015, 02:05:57 PM
If the folks were all dressed in suits and jackets with concealed carry one would have a very different perception than if the Clampits came down out the hills packing ARs - the motive is the same, the goals are the same, but the two versions would not be accepted the same way.i agree. Perception matters. Had they dressed well and held the weapons without looking like drunks at a middle eastern wedding celebration, the perception would not be as negative.
This isn't a fringe group nor a fringe issue, it's a 2a issue and 99% of us on this forum are gun owners affected in some way by 594
It would have been nice to see well dressed professional types with concealed carry's doing it though.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 17, 2015, 04:35:02 PM
If the folks were all dressed in suits and jackets with concealed carry one would have a very different perception than if the Clampits came down out the hills packing ARs - the motive is the same, the goals are the same, but the two versions would not be accepted the same way.
This isn't a fringe group nor a fringe issue, it's a 2a issue and 99% of us on this forum are gun owners affected in some way by 594
It would have been nice to see well dressed professional types with concealed carry's doing it though.
You're absolutely right. It is a 2A issue, and here's the problem: prior to this demonstration, the open carry of firearms was allowed in the chamber. They could've legally gone in with sidearms, not making any more fuss than going in with a briefcase, and the issue wouldn't have been on anyone's radar. However, some geniuses decided that the chamber was a good place to actually wave guns around. As a result, they're doing what amounts to restricting our 2A rights. When your observance of your personal right to bear arms includes a display which calls attention to that right in what is to many, an aggressive and threatening behavior, they then have no problem when the government says "no" to your rights.
Post by: csaaphill on January 18, 2015, 06:15:36 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 18, 2015, 08:42:11 PM
Post by: Crunchy on January 18, 2015, 09:06:26 PM
Post by: Curly on January 18, 2015, 09:13:28 PM
good for them show we aren't gona take it any more Boo Hiss on the legislatures for wetting themselves!But they are going to take it. They just lost their right for open carry!
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 19, 2015, 05:33:49 AM
good for them show we aren't gona take it any more Boo Hiss on the legislatures for wetting themselves!But they are going to take it. They just losttheirour right for open carry!
Fixed it for you.
Post by: Curly on January 19, 2015, 07:15:32 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 19, 2015, 07:43:27 AM
good for them show we aren't gona take it any more Boo Hiss on the legislatures for wetting themselves!
We already had the right. The same guys who helped us at Starbucks and Target helped us in the legislative chamber. Thanks guys! :tup: And 90% of everyone who saw that picture on the front page of the ST is thinking, "Those guys are nuts! Something should be done about that." That picture will likely become the poster of the registration movement that's about to begin.
I have the 1st Amendment right to stand in a cop's face and swear at him. I choose to keep that right and not exercise it to a point where the rest of the public thinks that there are times when our 1st Amendment rights should be void. I will fight for my right to bear arms, but I'll be damned if that means I'll purposely alienate myself from the majority by shoving it in their faces and scaring them.
Post by: h20hunter on January 19, 2015, 07:49:58 AM
good for them show we aren't gona take it any more Boo Hiss on the legislatures for wetting themselves!
I have the 1st Amendment right to stand in a cop's face and swear at him. I choose to keep that right and not exercise it to a point where the rest of the public thinks that there are times when our 1st Amendment rights should be void. I will fight for my right to bear arms, but I'll be damned if that means I'll purposely alienate myself from the majority by shoving it in their faces and scaring them.
We have a winner!
Keep exercising those rights to the extreme folks.....that way when the majority is alienated enough they will damn sure make sure restrictions pass oh so easy!
Post by: hoytem on January 19, 2015, 01:57:46 PM
Maybe they are antis looking to play the part and use bad behavior to shift public opinion to their real side.
I fail to see this as bad behavior. If simply being legally armed in an act of peaceful protest is bad behavior then we are all in trouble. Does it look good to the stay at home soccer mom? probably not. But this is no different than the other 2A rallies at the capitol.
Post by: Bob33 on January 19, 2015, 04:31:34 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 19, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
[/b][/u]Maybe they are antis looking to play the part and use bad behavior to shift public opinion to their real side.
I fail to see this as bad behavior. If simply being legally armed in an act of peaceful protest is bad behavior then we are all in trouble. Does it look good to the stay at home soccer mom? probably not. But this is no different than the other 2A rallies at the capitol.
Not only is it different, but it's exactly the opposite. You must remember that those rallies on the steps of the statehouse were about rights that we lost un I594. This demonstration in the chamber is the opposite. They took the rights we had (we were allowed to open carry in the legislative chamber), and through their outrageousness, lost us those rights.
Post by: h2ofowlr on January 19, 2015, 05:15:31 PM
[/b][/u]Maybe they are antis looking to play the part and use bad behavior to shift public opinion to their real side.
I fail to see this as bad behavior. If simply being legally armed in an act of peaceful protest is bad behavior then we are all in trouble. Does it look good to the stay at home soccer mom? probably not. But this is no different than the other 2A rallies at the capitol.
Not only is it different, but it's exactly the opposite. You must remember that those rallies on the steps of the statehouse were about rights that we lost un I594. This demonstration in the chamber is the opposite. They took the rights we had (we were allowed to open carry in the legislative chamber), and through their outrageousness, lost us those rights.
The open carry movement chalked up another ban due to there lack of common sense. The way the media has made everyone afraid of assault rifles as said, it's the quickest way to freak the uniformed out and get banned. :bash:
Post by: KFhunter on January 19, 2015, 05:18:26 PM
If there's no security then I want to provide my own.
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Post by: Netminder01 on January 19, 2015, 06:39:14 PM
Post by: rtspring on January 19, 2015, 07:22:00 PM
Its your right it this state to walk down a street with a weapon, but alot of you bash a guy for doing so!! Keep it up and we will all be getting robbed by bad people witb guns while we have none!!! Keep giving in to what others THINK and your butts will be looking for a knife while someone is shoving a gun in your face!!!
Remember this?
No wolves! We could hunt with dogs! We could bait deer and elk! We could bait bears! They are taking everything we love. But yet some of you would turn in a bear baiter cause its "poaching" how pathetic you are for helping these SOB'S..
And then we have the people who point out every chance they get on someone pointing a muzzle at someone!!! It happens, heck I've done it.. Or the blaze orange not on in a pic, your pathetic!!! For what some damn stupid points that may get you some horns that you cant eat but u try to bust a guy for not taking all the rib meat...
Some of you so called hunters need to really look in the mirror before judging others..
Post by: KFhunter on January 19, 2015, 07:35:14 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 19, 2015, 07:41:24 PM
It needs to be like a courthouse, they must provide security and lock boxes for guns. I think this "ban" should be nullified until they make concessions to adhere to the same conditions as a courthouse.
legislature chambers have the same potential for emotionally charged outbursts as a courtroom does, I fail to really see much of a difference.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 19, 2015, 07:45:19 PM
Someone please make a good argument why guns are needed in legislature chamber?
It needs to be like a courthouse, they must provide security and lock boxes for guns. I think this "ban" should be nullified until they make concessions to adhere to the same conditions as a courthouse.
legislature chambers have the same potential for emotionally charged outbursts as a courtroom does, I fail to really see much of a difference.
I agree with you on this as well. Was really surprised that it was allowed In the first place.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 19, 2015, 07:49:10 PM
Someone please make a good argument why guns are needed in legislature chamber?Well, it is a right and not to be infringed. And you can still take them in there, just need a case or carry concealed. The guys probably would've been alright going in there and sitting and keeping the actual guns as a non-issue. But there aren't supposed to be demonstrations in the chamber, which the picture looks like they are staging a demonstration.
It needs to be like a courthouse, they must provide security and lock boxes for guns. I think this "ban" should be nullified until they make concessions to adhere to the same conditions as a courthouse.
legislature chambers have the same potential for emotionally charged outbursts as a courtroom does, I fail to really see much of a difference.
Post by: KFhunter on January 19, 2015, 08:17:10 PM
The lawmakers are not safer due to this action.
Post by: csaaphill on January 20, 2015, 11:50:33 PM
They shouldn't be scared in the first place. That's the point is people open carrying should not look out of place, nor should it be scary to people. By saying it is were/your only giving into them, and telling others how they should protest. I never read where it says a protester has to follow PC rules, or something inorder to do so! I am very sure people thought those at the liberty tree looked dumb as well and probably balked when they burned Brittish flags. I'm sure the timid probably thought it wrong to dress up as Indians and throw tea into the Boston harbor too. I would wager too, that if the Founders worried about how others in their cause, how it made them look they would of just done it anyhows, or just laughed at them and told them to get the heck out of the way.good for them show we aren't gona take it any more Boo Hiss on the legislatures for wetting themselves!
We already had the right. The same guys who helped us at Starbucks and Target helped us in the legislative chamber. Thanks guys! :tup: And 90% of everyone who saw that picture on the front page of the ST is thinking, "Those guys are nuts! Something should be done about that." That picture will likely become the poster of the registration movement that's about to begin.
I have the 1st Amendment right to stand in a cop's face and swear at him. I choose to keep that right and not exercise it to a point where the rest of the public thinks that there are times when our 1st Amendment rights should be void. I will fight for my right to bear arms, but I'll be damned if that means I'll purposely alienate myself from the majority by shoving it in their faces and scaring them.
Post by: bearpaw on January 21, 2015, 12:38:42 AM
What we have now is the worst, law abiding citizens prevented from carrying while law breakers continue to ignore gun laws anyways.
The lawmakers are not safer due to this action.
:yeah: While I understand the reason for their action, the net effect regardless of what they may think, is that once again they have only eliminated law abiding folks from carrying guns.
Post by: csaaphill on January 21, 2015, 01:25:02 AM
It was a knee jerk reaction too. We shoule write and tell them off too, or at least let it be known were not happy with their reaction.What we have now is the worst, law abiding citizens prevented from carrying while law breakers continue to ignore gun laws anyways.
The lawmakers are not safer due to this action.
:yeah: While I understand the reason for their action, the net effect regardless of what they may think, is that once again they have only eliminated law abiding folks from carrying guns.
Post by: csaaphill on January 21, 2015, 01:33:22 AM
That wont mater we lose it no matter whatgood for them show we aren't gona take it any more Boo Hiss on the legislatures for wetting themselves!
I have the 1st Amendment right to stand in a cop's face and swear at him. I choose to keep that right and not exercise it to a point where the rest of the public thinks that there are times when our 1st Amendment rights should be void. I will fight for my right to bear arms, but I'll be damned if that means I'll purposely alienate myself from the majority by shoving it in their faces and scaring them.
We have a winner!
Keep exercising those rights to the extreme folks.....that way when the majority is alienated enough they will damn sure make sure restrictions pass oh so easy!
Post by: csaaphill on January 21, 2015, 01:40:00 AM
I'm not against open carry, but why would one want to bring an AR or AK into the chamber? About as bright as the open carry into all the restaurants who then have there hands forced to regulate it. Open carry side arm, but the long guns, get people worked up. :dunno:Is that like asking why would you want a gun in the first place, or how about the whats your need?
Answer is, it shouldn't matter why it should only matter that you can or could Just like the old fail! "If you have nothing" to hide crap why defend your right". People that say that crap just don't get it.
Post by: Special T on January 21, 2015, 10:15:14 AM
If they wanted to change peoples mind and make the need for the 2A important the display would have been more thougthful. Something that displayed the importance of the 2A, Put it in a positive light, provided discussion opportunity and positive coverage would have been the goals IF it had been done to promote the 2A.
There is no reason to sing to the choir. we need to change the hearts and minds of those who are undecided or uninterested in the 2A... They also happen to be the largest hunk of the population in this state.
Post by: montana44mag on January 21, 2015, 10:46:23 AM
:yeah: And meanwhile, every flick of their pens is inevitably "using guns" against someone, somewhere.....The only way they can "ban" something is by using more guns.It was a knee jerk reaction too. We shoule write and tell them off too, or at least let it be known were not happy with their reaction.What we have now is the worst, law abiding citizens prevented from carrying while law breakers continue to ignore gun laws anyways.
The lawmakers are not safer due to this action.
:yeah: While I understand the reason for their action, the net effect regardless of what they may think, is that once again they have only eliminated law abiding folks from carrying guns.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 21, 2015, 11:01:07 AM
Shoving your right to bear arms in the face of others to make a point is stupid and counter productive.Shoving there right to be vegan, catholic, christian, gay, or anything else is not though?
Kind of a silly comparison. None of these normally includes waving a gun around inside a legislative chamber. I'll say it again: before this demonstration, our right to open carry was intact. Because of this demonstration, it's gone. You can say all you want that they've violated the 2nd Amendment but the result is still that through no fault of my own, I can't open carry in a public place where I could just a week ago. And it's not because of a voter initiative or a bill proposed by a liberal gun hater. It's because those demonstrators couldn't be satisfied with having the right. They had to make the papers by demonstrating it in an aggressive and distasteful manner. There was no need for that demonstration. THEY brought this on. They're the same ones who forced Target's hands and Starbucks hands.
Post by: netcoyote on January 21, 2015, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 21, 2015, 11:27:31 AM
Next time you have another brilliant idea, run it by someone who owns a tie first
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 21, 2015, 11:30:59 AM
Thanks a lot, idiots. Now even more people (who probably didn't care before) think we're all a bunch of backwoods retards. Way to go.
Next time you have another brilliant idea, run it by someone who owns a tie first
:chuckle: No chit!
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 21, 2015, 12:08:31 PM
I would really like to hear what anyone else on here would do diff. besides just staying out of it and letting the ones that are doing it (wrong as put by most) keep doing it.Quit arm chairing it and do something.
I think it's pretty clear. When you already have a right, don't shove it down people's throat. No arm chairing here. I'm very active in opposing restrictions to my rights, whether they come as a result of legislation, initiative, or as a result of an idiot waving a gun around where it's not needed.
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2015, 12:16:13 PM
Shoving your right to bear arms in the face of others to make a point is stupid and counter productive.Shoving there right to be vegan, catholic, christian, gay, or anything else is not though?
Kind of a silly comparison. None of these normally includes waving a gun around inside a legislative chamber. I'll say it again: before this demonstration, our right to open carry was intact. Because of this demonstration, it's gone. You can say all you want that they've violated the 2nd Amendment but the result is still that through no fault of my own, I can't open carry in a public place where I could just a week ago. And it's not because of a voter initiative or a bill proposed by a liberal gun hater. It's because those demonstrators couldn't be satisfied with having the right. They had to make the papers by demonstrating it in an aggressive and distasteful manner. There was no need for that demonstration. THEY brought this on. They're the same ones who forced Target's hands and Starbucks hands.
...and now it can't be ignored. It's illegal to hold demonstrations in the chamber. Someone or someone's in years past did something with umbrellas, and now even if it's raining cats and dogs you cannot openly take an umbrella in the chamber. You can have one stuffed away in your bag, but you cannot openly display an umbrella.
Now, just like umbrella's there's a precedence for open display of firearms on the chamber floors used as a protest. Until now that's never happened, so there was never a need to ban open displays of a firearm. Now they're banned :DOH:
If a bunch of dooofus' wanted to take swords in the chamber and use them to protest they'd get banned too. (don't get any ideas folks)
This is NOT a 2A issue, it's an issue of protesting where it's not warranted or allowed.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 21, 2015, 12:16:21 PM
I would really like to hear what anyone else on here would do diff. besides just staying out of it and letting the ones that are doing it (wrong as put by most) keep doing it.Quit arm chairing it and do something.Do your demonstration on the lawn and steps, sit with your gun at your side in the chamber--not waving it around like dirka dirka and saying 'we're taking our capitol back'.
Post by: h20hunter on January 21, 2015, 12:18:44 PM
Thanks a lot, idiots. Now even more people (who probably didn't care before) think we're all a bunch of backwoods retards. Way to go.
Next time you have another brilliant idea, run it by someone who owns a tie first
Can we get a poll/tag for some of the best comments ever? Love this one. Nailed it Mags....just nailed it.
We, responsible 2A supporters, can have an impact every single day. We can conduct ourselves in a manner that is not offensive. We can engage and encourage thoughtfull disucssion with our peers when possible. When out in public, either for comment, sport, or leisure we can do the exact same thing as well. Many of us so called armchair guys do far more than worry about making big bold statements on internet forums.
Post by: rtspring on January 21, 2015, 12:49:13 PM
Thanks a lot, idiots. Now even more people (who probably didn't care before) think we're all a bunch of backwoods retards. Way to go.
Next time you have another brilliant idea, run it by someone who owns a tie first
Can we get a poll/tag for some of the best comments ever? Love this one. Nailed it Mags....just nailed it.
We, responsible 2A supporters, can have an impact every single day. We can conduct ourselves in a manner that is not offensive. We can engage and encourage thoughtfull disucssion with our peers when possible. When out in public, either for comment, sport, or leisure we can do the exact same thing as well. Many of us so called armchair guys do far more than worry about making big bold statements on internet forums.
Run it by someone with a tie? Thats a nailed it statement??
A Tie makes you no better than anyone else, its for show. Always has been..
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 21, 2015, 12:56:04 PM
What makes someone with a suit and tie more acceptable than someone without is what i dont.You mean like a gas mask.
Post by: h20hunter on January 21, 2015, 12:58:22 PM
Bottom line....current stand up and shout tactics and a show of force will do exactly what you are trying to prevent. These tactics are offensive to many 2A supports and pretty much the rest of everyone else. It has been stated that this battle is one for clear minds, open discussion, and the use of pen and paper, not the show of guns and scare tactics. If you don't see that then I'm sure you never will. Also, you are fully welcome to your opinion. However, when the majority rules against you and we, as 2A supporters, are all punished with further restrictions we will say thank you to you, not those opposed, but those that are creating the opposition. Like divided hunters, the extreme of us are the worst enemy we could ask for.
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2015, 12:59:37 PM
What makes someone with a suit and tie more acceptable than someone without is what i dont.
I don't either honestly, it sucks but it is true.
example:
Felons standing trial wear a suit and tie, if they can't afford one the government will purchase one for them so they can stand trial in a suit and tie.
I'd prefer it if they were forced to wear the same attire as when the offense occurred, but then it would be a mistrial because the clothing would give the jury preconceived notions and possibly sway them to a guilty judgement based on appearances.
it is what it is, human nature.
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2015, 01:03:08 PM
Shoving your right to bear arms in the face of others to make a point is stupid and counter productive.Shoving there right to be vegan, catholic, christian, gay, or anything else is not though?
Kind of a silly comparison. None of these normally includes waving a gun around inside a legislative chamber. I'll say it again: before this demonstration, our right to open carry was intact. Because of this demonstration, it's gone. You can say all you want that they've violated the 2nd Amendment but the result is still that through no fault of my own, I can't open carry in a public place where I could just a week ago. And it's not because of a voter initiative or a bill proposed by a liberal gun hater. It's because those demonstrators couldn't be satisfied with having the right. They had to make the papers by demonstrating it in an aggressive and distasteful manner. There was no need for that demonstration. THEY brought this on. They're the same ones who forced Target's hands and Starbucks hands.
...and now it can't be ignored. It's illegal to hold demonstrations in the chamber. Someone or someone's in years past did something with umbrellas, and now even if it's raining cats and dogs you cannot openly take an umbrella in the chamber. You can have one stuffed away in your bag, but you cannot openly display an umbrella.
Now, just like umbrella's there's a precedence for open display of firearms on the chamber floors used as a protest. Until now that's never happened, so there was never a need to ban open displays of a firearm. Now they're banned :DOH:
If a bunch of dooofus' wanted to take swords in the chamber and use them to protest they'd get banned too. (don't get any ideas folks)
This is NOT a 2A issue, it's an issue of protesting where it's not warranted or allowed.
I want you all to read this, I think it may have gotten buried in the chatter.
Post by: h20hunter on January 21, 2015, 01:08:04 PM
Post by: baldopepper on January 21, 2015, 01:20:36 PM
Post by: h20hunter on January 21, 2015, 01:22:44 PM
Post by: rtspring on January 21, 2015, 01:30:30 PM
One of them is me, ask anyone who has met me face to face. Whether or not Im worth my salt. I try to do good for even the strangest of strangers. But, I cannot sit back and let people bash people for either there IQ or if they have a tie on or not.
I love guns and hunting!!! We should all come together as one and start fighting instead of being walked over everytime we turn around..
It seems at times that we stab each other rather that push our anger to the anti's. I know I am guilty of that, I apologize for that. Im just angered and frustrated.
Post by: h20hunter on January 21, 2015, 01:50:02 PM
Just to be clear, Im onboard with looking like fools in front of the general public, but telling one to wear a suit and tie is stupidity at best. Nicely dressed sure! A whole lot of good people in this world dont even own a suit and tie.
So, you say that you are onboard with looking like fools? Sorry, say again? Do you think those that are pushing for further restrictions share that opinion? I don't think they do.
Of course plenty of good people out there don't own a suit and tie. You have seized that single element of many comments and continue to rant about it.
Post by: baldopepper on January 21, 2015, 01:50:30 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 21, 2015, 01:55:04 PM
In no way am I suggesting laying down and waiting for the gun grabbers to take our guns. Not a certain kind of gun, nor a magazine capacity - none of it. I'm suggesting we get out of the threatening fight mentality and present our views as normal and mainstream; retaining our Constitutional rights is just common sense.
Post by: rtspring on January 21, 2015, 02:10:23 PM
Just to be clear, Im onboard with looking like fools in front of the general public, but telling one to wear a suit and tie is stupidity at best. Nicely dressed sure! A whole lot of good people in this world dont even own a suit and tie.
So, you say that you are onboard with looking like fools? Sorry, say again? Do you think those that are pushing for further restrictions share that opinion? I don't think they do.
Of course plenty of good people out there don't own a suit and tie. You have seized that single element of many comments and continue to rant about it.
Yes looking like fools? I never did say those in question!! A fool as in a AR15 over your shoulder walking down main street! Dont put words in others mouths and you will fair alot better pilgrim...
Your the ignorant one who said " you must have a tie on"". Or your nobody!!! How do you say it again?? YOU NAILED IT MAGS!!
Ha, you questioning my intelligence is a joke. It took you 3 months to kill one bear :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on January 21, 2015, 02:20:13 PM
Just to be clear, Im onboard with looking like fools in front of the general public, but telling one to wear a suit and tie is stupidity at best. Nicely dressed sure! A whole lot of good people in this world dont even own a suit and tie.
So, you say that you are onboard with looking like fools? Sorry, say again? Do you think those that are pushing for further restrictions share that opinion? I don't think they do.
Of course plenty of good people out there don't own a suit and tie. You have seized that single element of many comments and continue to rant about it.
Yes looking like fools? I never did say those in question!! A fool as in a AR15 over your shoulder walking down main street! Dont put words in others mouths and you will fair alot better pilgrim...
Your the ignorant one who said " you must have a tie on"". Or your nobody!!! How do you say it again?? YOU NAILED IT MAGS!!
Ha, you questioning my intelligence is a joke. It took you 3 months to kill one bear :chuckle:
It took me a lot longer than 3 months...I didn't kill one for quite some time. That is besides the point.
I understand that you see things in black and white and don't see my point regarding mine as well as others when it comes to how we dress. I clearly said the suit and tie is an example of looking professional. Nothing more.
You said you are onboard with looking the fool in front of others. Your words not mine. I have not resorted to calling anyone ignorant. I'm not putting words in anyones mouth. I don't believe you are reading what you are typing and are responding out of emotion.
I also have not questioned your intelligence. I'm trying to keep the discussion openminded and non arguementative.
I suppose if you can not have a discussion without using insults and becoming emotional than I'll refrain from quoting your words, not mine, and offering my comments to the discussion.
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 21, 2015, 03:01:51 PM
agreed 100%.so how do we turn it around?How do we educate the ones on the fence without sending them running the other way?When I harvest an animal people that see it that are not hunters want to come over and check it out most of them think its awsome and want to check into hunting a little some dont at all but i would say most do.So is hiding your harvest a good or bad thing these days?A lot of people want to shoot guns,is there any ideas as to how we can get more people into it without breaking these new laws that were put on us?I dont see any way thats a good way yet.If anyone has anything im sure we are all ears.Other than all these people are doing it wrong.
Guns are ingrained in American culture, so I don’t think it’s a hard sell. You are right, there are plenty of people interested in them, but don’t know where to start. I’ve taken a handful of newbies to the range for the first time, and they usually love it. When I was on the dating market, I would regularly bring 3rd or 4th dates there. I don’t know why, but I swear that women pick it up faster than men. I love the look on their faces the first time they let one off and it actually hits paper.
As far as winning over the fence sitters, the most important thing is to not get emotional. The anti’s are completely emotional and it’s their main weakness. I was at the Ballard Farmer’s Market a few months ago during the campaign for i594, and there was a lady there with some propaganda and she was so aggressive and emotional that she looked like a total lunatic. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the people she was haranguing, and most of these people looked like they came right from shooting a Subaru commercial. North Face jackets, $200 jeans, REI light hiking shoes, Starbucks cups, the works. These people should have been in her wheelhouse, but she was launching them left and right. So I went up to her and by staying dead calm, ignoring her hysterics, and very simply refuting her points, got her SOOOOO pissed off (Me? Spinning people up? Go figure) I thought she was either going to cry or hit me. I wish someone had recorded it, it would have been great on Youtube.
“It’s attitudes like yours that allow African-American boys to have a 10% chance of dying of violence in this country.”
“Most sociologists put the blame almost completely on generational poverty and lack of economic opportunity. Weapon accessibility is incidental. And I think they prefer black now.”
“Well, next time you read about some abusive husband shooting his wife to death, I hope it’s worth it for you to keep you little toys.”
“Wouldn’t a weapon that allows a physically weaker person to defend against a stronger one, be good for abused women?”
“AAAAAAARGGHGGGH 30 Dead kids in newton!!!!!!! AAAAAAARRUGGGH!”
It was one of my finer performances.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 21, 2015, 03:11:45 PM
Post by: Bob33 on January 21, 2015, 03:12:13 PM
Talk respectfully with others that may not have had positive exposure to hunting/guns.
Get engaged with organizations or activites to promote gun safety and hunting. Become a hunter education instructor.
It is as much what you do not do, as it is what you do.
Post by: Special T on January 21, 2015, 04:23:46 PM
agreed 100%.so how do we turn it around?How do we educate the ones on the fence without sending them running the other way?When I harvest an animal people that see it that are not hunters want to come over and check it out most of them think its awsome and want to check into hunting a little some dont at all but i would say most do.So is hiding your harvest a good or bad thing these days?A lot of people want to shoot guns,is there any ideas as to how we can get more people into it without breaking these new laws that were put on us?I dont see any way thats a good way yet.If anyone has anything im sure we are all ears.Other than all these people are doing it wrong.
Guns are ingrained in American culture, so I don’t think it’s a hard sell. You are right, there are plenty of people interested in them, but don’t know where to start. I’ve taken a handful of newbies to the range for the first time, and they usually love it. When I was on the dating market, I would regularly bring 3rd or 4th dates there. I don’t know why, but I swear that women pick it up faster than men. I love the look on their faces the first time they let one off and it actually hits paper.
As far as winning over the fence sitters, the most important thing is to not get emotional. The anti’s are completely emotional and it’s their main weakness. I was at the Ballard Farmer’s Market a few months ago during the campaign for i594, and there was a lady there with some propaganda and she was so aggressive and emotional that she looked like a total lunatic. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the people she was haranguing, and most of these people looked like they came right from shooting a Subaru commercial. North Face jackets, $200 jeans, REI light hiking shoes, Starbucks cups, the works. These people should have been in her wheelhouse, but she was launching them left and right. So I went up to her and by staying dead calm, ignoring her hysterics, and very simply refuting her points, got her SOOOOO pissed off (Me? Spinning people up? Go figure) I thought she was either going to cry or hit me. I wish someone had recorded it, it would have been great on Youtube.
“It’s attitudes like yours that allow African-American boys to have a 10% chance of dying of violence in this country.”
“Most sociologists put the blame almost completely on generational poverty and lack of economic opportunity. Weapon accessibility is incidental. And I think they prefer black now.”
“Well, next time you read about some abusive husband shooting his wife to death, I hope it’s worth it for you to keep you little toys.”
“Wouldn’t a weapon that allows a physically weaker person to defend against a stronger one, be good for abused women?”
“AAAAAAARGGHGGGH 30 Dead kids in newton!!!!!!! AAAAAAARRUGGGH!”
It was one of my finer performances.
That would do more for 2A rights than the display in the Capitol! Shame on you Mags! That video clip would change they way 90% of your detractors feel about you!
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 21, 2015, 05:07:17 PM
When I was on the dating market, I would regularly bring 3rd or 4th dates there.
The world famous third date rule?
Post by: netcoyote on January 21, 2015, 06:19:54 PM
agreed 100%.so how do we turn it around?How do we educate the ones on the fence without sending them running the other way?When I harvest an animal people that see it that are not hunters want to come over and check it out most of them think its awsome and want to check into hunting a little some dont at all but i would say most do.So is hiding your harvest a good or bad thing these days?A lot of people want to shoot guns,is there any ideas as to how we can get more people into it without breaking these new laws that were put on us?I dont see any way thats a good way yet.If anyone has anything im sure we are all ears.Other than all these people are doing it wrong.
Guns are ingrained in American culture, so I don’t think it’s a hard sell. You are right, there are plenty of people interested in them, but don’t know where to start. I’ve taken a handful of newbies to the range for the first time, and they usually love it. When I was on the dating market, I would regularly bring 3rd or 4th dates there. I don’t know why, but I swear that women pick it up faster than men. I love the look on their faces the first time they let one off and it actually hits paper.
As far as winning over the fence sitters, the most important thing is to not get emotional. The anti’s are completely emotional and it’s their main weakness. I was at the Ballard Farmer’s Market a few months ago during the campaign for i594, and there was a lady there with some propaganda and she was so aggressive and emotional that she looked like a total lunatic. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the people she was haranguing, and most of these people looked like they came right from shooting a Subaru commercial. North Face jackets, $200 jeans, REI light hiking shoes, Starbucks cups, the works. These people should have been in her wheelhouse, but she was launching them left and right. So I went up to her and by staying dead calm, ignoring her hysterics, and very simply refuting her points, got her SOOOOO pissed off (Me? Spinning people up? Go figure) I thought she was either going to cry or hit me. I wish someone had recorded it, it would have been great on Youtube.
“It’s attitudes like yours that allow African-American boys to have a 10% chance of dying of violence in this country.”
“Most sociologists put the blame almost completely on generational poverty and lack of economic opportunity. Weapon accessibility is incidental. And I think they prefer black now.”
“Well, next time you read about some abusive husband shooting his wife to death, I hope it’s worth it for you to keep you little toys.”
“Wouldn’t a weapon that allows a physically weaker person to defend against a stronger one, be good for abused women?”
“AAAAAAARGGHGGGH 30 Dead kids in newton!!!!!!! AAAAAAARRUGGGH!”
It was one of my finer performances.
Mags takin' one for the team in Seattle. He's probably the best to represent 2A issues to the Seattle crowd because he "speaks the language" and understand the mentality. I'd probably immediately start hyperventilating when trying to confront one of those lunatics.
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2015, 06:25:21 PM
Post by: netcoyote on January 21, 2015, 08:09:13 PM
So what your saying is it takes a monkey to communicate in a room full of chimpanzee's.
Hopefully, I was saying it in a more respectful way.
Post by: Dan-o on January 21, 2015, 08:31:29 PM
Shoving your right to bear arms in the face of others to make a point is stupid and counter productive.Shoving there right to be vegan, catholic, christian, gay, or anything else is not though?
Kind of a silly comparison. None of these normally includes waving a gun around inside a legislative chamber. I'll say it again: before this demonstration, our right to open carry was intact. Because of this demonstration, it's gone. You can say all you want that they've violated the 2nd Amendment but the result is still that through no fault of my own, I can't open carry in a public place where I could just a week ago. And it's not because of a voter initiative or a bill proposed by a liberal gun hater. It's because those demonstrators couldn't be satisfied with having the right. They had to make the papers by demonstrating it in an aggressive and distasteful manner. There was no need for that demonstration. THEY brought this on. They're the same ones who forced Target's hands and Starbucks hands.
:yeah:
Perfect summation of the situation.
Those morons did damage. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: