BANNING GUNS IN LEGISLATURE CHAMBER

[pianoman9701]

Shoving your right to bear arms in the face of others to make a point is stupid and counter productive.

Shoving there right to be vegan, catholic, christian, gay, or anything else is not though?

Kind of a silly comparison. None of these normally includes waving a gun around inside a legislative chamber. I'll say it again: before this demonstration, our right to open carry was intact. Because of this demonstration, it's gone. You can say all you want that they've violated the 2nd Amendment but the result is still that through no fault of my own, I can't open carry in a public place where I could just a week ago. And it's not because of a voter initiative or a bill proposed by a liberal gun hater. It's because those demonstrators couldn't be satisfied with having the right. They had to make the papers by demonstrating it in an aggressive and distasteful manner. There was no need for that demonstration. THEY brought this on. They're the same ones who forced Target's hands and Starbucks hands.

[netcoyote]

 

[magnanimous_j]

Thanks a lot, idiots. Now even more people (who probably didn't care before) think we're all a bunch of backwoods retards. Way to go.

Next time you have another brilliant idea, run it by someone who owns a tie first

[pianoman9701]

Thanks a lot, idiots. Now even more people (who probably didn't care before) think we're all a bunch of backwoods retards. Way to go.

Next time you have another brilliant idea, run it by someone who owns a tie first

  No chit!

[pianoman9701]

I would really like to hear what anyone else on here would do diff. besides just staying out of it and letting the ones that are doing it (wrong as put by most) keep doing it.Quit arm chairing it and do something.

I think it's pretty clear. When you already have a right, don't shove it down people's throat. No arm chairing here. I'm very active in opposing restrictions to my rights, whether they come as a result of legislation, initiative, or as a result of an idiot waving a gun around where it's not needed.

[KFhunter]

Shoving your right to bear arms in the face of others to make a point is stupid and counter productive.

Shoving there right to be vegan, catholic, christian, gay, or anything else is not though?

Kind of a silly comparison. None of these normally includes waving a gun around inside a legislative chamber. I'll say it again: before this demonstration, our right to open carry was intact. Because of this demonstration, it's gone. You can say all you want that they've violated the 2nd Amendment but the result is still that through no fault of my own, I can't open carry in a public place where I could just a week ago. And it's not because of a voter initiative or a bill proposed by a liberal gun hater. It's because those demonstrators couldn't be satisfied with having the right. They had to make the papers by demonstrating it in an aggressive and distasteful manner. There was no need for that demonstration. THEY brought this on. They're the same ones who forced Target's hands and Starbucks hands.

...and now it can't be ignored.  It's illegal to hold demonstrations in the chamber.   Someone or someone's in years past did something with umbrellas, and now even if it's raining cats and dogs you cannot openly take an umbrella in the chamber.  You can have one stuffed away in your bag, but you cannot openly display an umbrella.

Now, just like umbrella's there's a precedence for open display of firearms on the chamber floors used as a protest.  Until now that's never happened, so there was never a need to ban open displays of a firearm.  Now they're banned 

If a bunch of dooofus' wanted to take swords in the chamber and use them to protest they'd get banned too.  (don't get any ideas folks)


This is NOT a 2A issue, it's an issue of protesting where it's not warranted or allowed.

[JimmyHoffa]

I would really like to hear what anyone else on here would do diff. besides just staying out of it and letting the ones that are doing it (wrong as put by most) keep doing it.Quit arm chairing it and do something.

Do your demonstration on the lawn and steps, sit with your gun at your side in the chamber--not waving it around like dirka dirka and saying 'we're taking our capitol back'.

[h20hunter]

Thanks a lot, idiots. Now even more people (who probably didn't care before) think we're all a bunch of backwoods retards. Way to go.

Next time you have another brilliant idea, run it by someone who owns a tie first

Can we get a poll/tag for some of the best comments ever? Love this one. Nailed it Mags....just nailed it.

We, responsible 2A supporters, can have an impact every single day. We can conduct ourselves in a manner that is not offensive. We can engage and encourage thoughtfull disucssion with our peers when possible. When out in public, either for comment, sport, or leisure we can do the exact same thing as well. Many of us so called armchair guys do far more than worry about making big bold statements on internet forums.

[rtspring]

Thanks a lot, idiots. Now even more people (who probably didn't care before) think we're all a bunch of backwoods retards. Way to go.

Next time you have another brilliant idea, run it by someone who owns a tie first

Can we get a poll/tag for some of the best comments ever? Love this one. Nailed it Mags....just nailed it.

We, responsible 2A supporters, can have an impact every single day. We can conduct ourselves in a manner that is not offensive. We can engage and encourage thoughtfull disucssion with our peers when possible. When out in public, either for comment, sport, or leisure we can do the exact same thing as well. Many of us so called armchair guys do far more than worry about making big bold statements on internet forums.

Run it by someone with a tie? Thats a nailed it statement??

A Tie makes you no better than anyone else, its for show.  Always has been.. 

[JimmyHoffa]

What makes someone with a suit and tie more acceptable than someone without is what i dont.

You mean like a gas mask.

[h20hunter]

Ah yes....further Rt rants and comments chimed in by Mr. Miller. Quit focusing on one or two words and making your rants revolve around them. We get it, sure we do. Clearly the rants and ramblings based on emotion are an art form here.

Bottom line....current stand up and shout tactics and a show of force will do exactly what you are trying to prevent. These tactics are offensive to many 2A supports and pretty much the rest of everyone else. It has been stated that this battle is one for clear minds, open discussion, and the use of pen and paper, not the show of guns and scare tactics. If you don't see that then I'm sure you never will. Also, you are fully welcome to your opinion. However, when the majority rules against you and we, as 2A supporters, are all punished with further restrictions we will say thank you to you, not those opposed, but those that are creating the opposition. Like divided hunters, the extreme of us are the worst enemy we could ask for.

[KFhunter]

What makes someone with a suit and tie more acceptable than someone without is what i dont.

I don't either honestly, it sucks but it is true. 


example:

Felons standing trial wear a suit and tie, if they can't afford one the government will purchase one for them so they can stand trial in a suit and tie.

I'd prefer it if they were forced to wear the same attire as when the offense occurred, but then it would be a mistrial because the clothing would give the jury preconceived notions and possibly sway them to a guilty judgement based on appearances. 

it is what it is, human nature.

[KFhunter]

Shoving your right to bear arms in the face of others to make a point is stupid and counter productive.

Shoving there right to be vegan, catholic, christian, gay, or anything else is not though?

Kind of a silly comparison. None of these normally includes waving a gun around inside a legislative chamber. I'll say it again: before this demonstration, our right to open carry was intact. Because of this demonstration, it's gone. You can say all you want that they've violated the 2nd Amendment but the result is still that through no fault of my own, I can't open carry in a public place where I could just a week ago. And it's not because of a voter initiative or a bill proposed by a liberal gun hater. It's because those demonstrators couldn't be satisfied with having the right. They had to make the papers by demonstrating it in an aggressive and distasteful manner. There was no need for that demonstration. THEY brought this on. They're the same ones who forced Target's hands and Starbucks hands.

...and now it can't be ignored.  It's illegal to hold demonstrations in the chamber.   Someone or someone's in years past did something with umbrellas, and now even if it's raining cats and dogs you cannot openly take an umbrella in the chamber.  You can have one stuffed away in your bag, but you cannot openly display an umbrella.

Now, just like umbrella's there's a precedence for open display of firearms on the chamber floors used as a protest.  Until now that's never happened, so there was never a need to ban open displays of a firearm.  Now they're banned 

If a bunch of dooofus' wanted to take swords in the chamber and use them to protest they'd get banned too.  (don't get any ideas folks)


This is NOT a 2A issue, it's an issue of protesting where it's not warranted or allowed.

I want you all to read this, I think it may have gotten buried in the chatter.

[h20hunter]

Suit and tie is a metaphor. It is an example of the division we have between those that believe that showing up and strapping on your AR will accomplish something, anything. That division is very real and you better believe it is one of the biggest downfalls that 2A supporters face. If one out of 10 gun owners conduct themselves in an offensive manner than the other 9 "suit and tie" guys will be so overwhelmed by the negative reactions their efforts will be null and void.

[baldopepper]

One of the worst aspects of this type of behavior is the fact that it makes it easier for the anti's to go after many of the things we use our guns for. Their reasoning is that if 2A protects gun ownership, go after the things we use those guns for (i.e. hunting, target shooting, etc..) as there is no 2A hurdle to jump over. These in your face, I dare you to do something tactics do nothing more than add to the ranks of those who see no reason why anyone other than police and military have to have guns.  For those who don't live or deal with the people who control the vote in this state (i.e. King, Pierce, Snohomish counties) they just don't seem to get the concept of how badly we are outnumbered.  Did'nt the vote tally from 594 hit home?  We got a plain old fashioned butt kicking and it wasn't just from lack of voters or laziness, I suspect the defeat would have been even worse with a higher turnout. Keep daring them and eventually they'll take the dare.