Post by: huntnnw on January 22, 2015, 07:54:29 PM
Post by: huntnnw on January 22, 2015, 08:00:36 PM
Post by: huntingcl on January 22, 2015, 08:02:40 PM
Post by: huntnnw on January 22, 2015, 08:05:34 PM
Post by: CementFinisher on January 22, 2015, 08:07:17 PM
Post by: Skillet on January 22, 2015, 08:43:39 PM
Just be happy they're still planting hatchery fish...(for now):yeah: there are many folks, some on here even, that would prefer you don't even get to fish steelhats there at all. :bash:
Catch and release to your hearts content, IMO. "What? No, you must be mistaken. That fish looked like it had an adipose fin to me."
I hope the new director can corral some of the anti-hatchery efforts that seem to have gained traction in this state. The anti-hatchery movement is more damaging to the average sportsman than the anti-baiting movement by far. No baiting = you can still hunt, but a method has been taken from you. No hatcheries = No more fishing. Can't afford to risk hooking one of the inevitably failing native stocks...
Maybe take up sea lion watching instead.
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 22, 2015, 08:56:41 PM
I'm just saying!!!
Post by: Mfowl on January 22, 2015, 09:32:44 PM
So now people by law will have to keep hatchery steelhead ! :bash: looks like all my fish will be wild! What a joke! Unless limits are limitless
I hope I see you on Rugged Justice explaining why you released a hatchery fish! :chuckle:
Really though, I doubt LE is gonna be crackin down on this one. Fish on! :tup:
Post by: Skillet on January 22, 2015, 09:53:18 PM
So now people by law will have to keep hatchery steelhead ! :bash: looks like all my fish will be wild! What a joke! Unless limits are limitless
I hope I see you on Rugged Justice explaining why you released a hatchery fish! :chuckle:
Really though, I doubt LE is gonna be crackin down on this one. Fish on! :tup:
:chuckle: I can just see it now -Cenci and the swat team taking down Huntnw on the bank for releasing a fish while in the background you see some dudes using their truck's hood for a rest to poach a couple of does to sell. But since nobody cares about deer and elk anyway...
Post by: huntnnw on January 23, 2015, 02:10:10 AM
Post by: huntnnw on January 23, 2015, 02:18:15 AM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on January 23, 2015, 07:32:15 AM
i fish because i enjoy fishing. i also like to eat fish, but i hate being told i have to keep them regardless if i want to bring something home or not.
Post by: NWBrute on January 23, 2015, 07:38:03 AM
I see this is the case for the Tucannon, but I can not find anything regarding the Ronde. Did I miss an update or do you have inside info??
Brute
Post by: ELKBURGER on January 23, 2015, 07:40:39 AM
And if you zoom in on that truck, it most likely is from an Idaho Rez.....So now people by law will have to keep hatchery steelhead ! :bash: looks like all my fish will be wild! What a joke! Unless limits are limitless
I hope I see you on Rugged Justice explaining why you released a hatchery fish! :chuckle:
Really though, I doubt LE is gonna be crackin down on this one. Fish on! :tup:
:chuckle: I can just see it now -Cenci and the swat team taking down Huntnw on the bank for releasing a fish while in the background you see some dudes using their truck's hood for a rest to poach a couple of does to sell. But since nobody cares about deer and elk anyway...
Post by: pd on January 23, 2015, 08:47:26 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 23, 2015, 09:23:04 AM
HuntNNW: I honestly have no idea why you are so upset. (I haven't fished for steelhead in decades, and I have zero knowledge of this issue.) If you are just ranting, then carry on, but if you have a moment, please explain the problem, and why you think there is a better way. :dunno:After he catches his limit he is done for the day. So if he gets there at butt crack of dawn and catches a limit of little steelhead on the first few casts--it's a day. Has to keep them and stop fishing. If cnr was allowed, he could fish all day long until he got tired of cnring.
Post by: buglebuster on January 23, 2015, 09:31:41 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 23, 2015, 09:35:49 AM
Post by: Forks on January 23, 2015, 09:50:39 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 23, 2015, 10:05:48 AM
What about the guides? Its gotta hurt them there are people that pay to fish not to go hook 2 or 3 hatchery steelhead and be done.
Back in the day not long after I 1st moved here from back east and had little to no knowledge of steelhead fishing out west, I booked a guide trip on the Rhonde for a summer time trout trip. While we were fishing, I learned basically what we were catching were steelhead smolts. 8-14" rainbows....we caught a metric ton of them. Every 3rd or 4th cast we'd hook a fish. Probably caught 60 fish that day. How does that play into this scenario....?? I didn't feel very good about catching all those smolts after the fact but anyway...what's done is done.
Dumb law.
Post by: timberfaller on January 23, 2015, 10:10:58 AM
When the every first hatchery was built, spelled the end of "wild" fish.
What the Feds and state calls "wild" are fish that were not trapped(quota's met)at hatchery's and allowed to continue up stream and do their thing.
And people are so worried about "genetically" altered plant food!! :yike:
Also there has NEVER been a 100% clip of the released fish, the best is like 96% but usually runs around 92%.
Post by: steeleywhopper on January 23, 2015, 10:23:45 AM
Post by: WSU on January 23, 2015, 11:13:16 AM
:chuckle: last known "REAL" wild steelhead/salmon was back in 1992, everything since then, has roots(genes) to hatchery fish! :chuckle:
When the every first hatchery was built, spelled the end of "wild" fish.
What the Feds and state calls "wild" are fish that were not trapped(quota's met)at hatchery's and allowed to continue up stream and do their thing.
And people are so worried about "genetically" altered plant food!! :yike:
Also there has NEVER been a 100% clip of the released fish, the best is like 96% but usually runs around 92%.
That's flat wrong. It varies by river and stock, but there's genetic testing saying that you are wrong.
As for the reg, I can see both sides of the coin. They want the hatchery fish gone so they don't stray and spawn with wild fish. Makes sense to require they be kept. If that truly is the goal, we ought to be able to keep more hatchery fish unless their is a concern that the added time on the water will cause too much release mortality. Why not make it a 6 fish limit and require they be kept?
Post by: SteelheadDC on January 23, 2015, 11:24:33 AM
Post by: _TONY_ on January 23, 2015, 12:10:24 PM
When most rivers were closed down to rebuild summer steelhead stocks, with the help of hatchery fish,it was enough time for the run to naturally weed out fish that were poor spawners and fish that were genetically inferior etc... Over time only the best spawned and reproduced. Those fish were so successful, that the rivers were opened back up for recreational fishing oppurtunities. Historically, this doesn't happen when a run is functionally extinct.
This rule is to help prevent cement pond, food pellet raised hatchery steelhead from reaching the redds and to further strengthen the run.
This tactic is also set in place to prevent impacts on gravel born steelhead via hook and line. Keeps them from turning into huge pin cushions.
Post by: TheHunt on January 23, 2015, 06:11:55 PM
I think if one catching fish after fish and not allowing others a rotation into the hole will result in the people waiting to video them and use that against the non conformist.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on January 23, 2015, 08:28:25 PM
Post by: TheHunt on January 23, 2015, 08:45:13 PM
Post by: huntnnw on January 23, 2015, 09:07:41 PM
Steelhead is a sport fishery! Versus the salmon fishery where guys almost always retain there fish hell I do. I'm not keeping these nasty white mushy meat fish ! I'm there to have fun and catch fish! If they want fish restained it needs to be limitless! Oh and the lower 2.5 mi is still catch and release! This state is so screwed up they have no idea what they are doing .
You can't trout fish if u have reached a limit on the river.
Post by: WSU on January 23, 2015, 09:42:53 PM
Post by: huntnnw on January 24, 2015, 03:46:45 AM
There is no real wild steelhead on this river.
Post by: fish vacuum on January 24, 2015, 05:50:00 PM
Steelhead is a sport fishery!
Incorrect. The upper Columbia steelhead fishery is allowed by the feds. In their eyes, angling is strictly a tool to remove hatchery fish. That's how it works on the upper Columbia tribs I'm familiar with.
If anglers choose to release hatchery fish and claim they were wild, then the managers will believe anglers are no longer needed as a tool and the fishery will close.
Post by: huntnnw on January 25, 2015, 10:04:17 PM
Post by: _TONY_ on January 25, 2015, 10:20:36 PM
the whole point of hatcheries is for people to go fish, if people didnt fish that particular river there would be no hatcheries. Fishing isnt all about keeping the fish! The money generated by guys like me and others is huge to the area. Some days down there in March there is near 300 people fishing a 8 mi stretch.
Technically, hatcheries are there for harvest opportunities. Hatcheries do offer the ability to have a cnr wild steelhead by catch fishery, but that's not what they are designed for.
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on January 28, 2015, 09:31:36 PM
Same reason i don't keep sockeye on the lower columbia, 2-3 pound sockeye or 8-10 lb steelhead. I will take 2 summer steel thank you.
Post by: splitshot on January 28, 2015, 10:06:54 PM
Post by: huntnnw on January 28, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Post by: ELKBURGER on January 29, 2015, 06:51:44 AM
Post by: TheHunt on January 29, 2015, 07:14:20 AM
Post by: UBA on January 29, 2015, 07:45:38 AM
Post by: WSU on January 29, 2015, 08:34:24 AM
how the hell do you guys catch 2 steel in an hour on the ronde. either I am a dumb fisher or you are a liar. I have fished for 3 days and caught 1 or 2 fish. I fly fish but still some is wrong. the guides don't do that good. I know cuz I hire them. mike w
Fly fishing is a big part of why you don't catch tons of fish. 2 fish in an hour is very easily doable on the ronde when fish are around.
Post by: huntnnw on February 01, 2015, 04:46:12 AM
I've taking many friends and girlfriend down and had 5-7fish days for them as rookies. All about knowing the river and putting them on fish and explaining how to drift fish and what to feel.
I don't see how any of the fish die that I release.. They never come out of the water barbless single hook and just pull hook and off they go. I can count on 1 hand in 26 years on how many steelhead I've hooked deep in the mouth. Nothing like salmon the seem to take every bait deep.
Post by: TommyH on February 01, 2015, 06:47:56 AM
Post by: dscubame on February 01, 2015, 09:59:38 PM
HuntNNW: I honestly have no idea why you are so upset. (I haven't fished for steelhead in decades, and I have zero knowledge of this issue.) If you are just ranting, then carry on, but if you have a moment, please explain the problem, and why you think there is a better way. :dunno:
Because he wants to fish not just catch fish. Many fly fisherman do just that, fish all day fishing hence the release. I completely understand and this mandatory keep what you catch sucks.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on September 04, 2017, 02:20:30 PM
Runs are down so fish away!? :dunno:
Post by: PolarBear on September 05, 2017, 10:48:29 AM