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Other Hunting => Bird Dogs => Topic started by: Waldo84 on January 23, 2015, 11:10:26 AM

Title: New pup!!!
Post by: Waldo84 on January 23, 2015, 11:10:26 AM: Well, my chocolate lab "Cruz" arrived last night from Wisconsin. He rolled out of the truck happy as can be and full of energy. When it was bed time he quietly played with his toys and then fell asleep. He let out a little whimper at about 3:45 and I took him outside to do his business. Then he fell back to sleep until 6am when I got up for work. Again, he went outside and did his thing, NO MESSES IN THE CRATE!

Here is the best picture of the little guy. This was the only time he stopped for two seconds. I've attached a link to his pedigree also incase any of you guys are into that sort of thing.

http://huntinglabpedigree.com/pedigree.asp?id=89591 (http://huntinglabpedigree.com/pedigree.asp?id=89591)
Title: Re: New pup!!!
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 23, 2015, 11:36:24 AM: Do you know the top half of that pedigree is from Washington State?
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Post by: Gobble on January 23, 2015, 11:57:43 AM: :tup:

Good Lookin pup! Welcome to puppy Hell/Heaven LOL
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Post by: Waldo84 on January 23, 2015, 12:09:31 PM: Hey Happy, I thought you might find his pedigree interesting. I did know that Carbon is from the Wet side of the state (Woodinville I believe is where his owners are) and has produced some fantastic dogs (Chopper and Emmitt NFC's) Chopper also being a top producing dog in the last 6-7 years. Emmitt is still a question mark as a producer. I have always wanted a dog from the Carbon line, but my wife has a love for Chocolate labs. So this worked out great.

His sire may not have been an FC or AFC, but he does have 6 or so full siblings who are. He also has 60+ MH passes and is QAA in limited trials that he ran as a 2 year old.

We'll see what I have in the next 6-12 months or so, but hopefully I can bring a little Carbon and Chocolate together to have a good Derby and or AA dog. If not i'll switch over to Hunt tests. I started another Thread over on RTF before I got him and it has some other info on his sire siblings.

GOBBLE: I'm ready, been waiting for a couple of years!
Title: Re: New pup!!!
Post by: Gobble on January 23, 2015, 12:43:34 PM: Awesome!

We have a 8 wk old Black Lab right now. Lots of fun and work!

Have Fun!!!
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Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 23, 2015, 12:50:13 PM: Carbon was Franks dog. Mark Madore was breeder on record for the sire. Mark used to be Jim Gonia's assistant. He left and started his own business training dogs in Texas. He starts a lot of young dogs which get turned out to AA trainers once they are ready for AA stakes. Emmitt is Cynthia Tallman's dog. There are quite a few Emmitt pups of age now. I don't know of the bitch line / breeders dogs well.
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Post by: Waldo84 on January 23, 2015, 03:35:54 PM: The bitches sire is out of Tiger Mcbunn who was out of a great breeding between Maxx x NAFC Hattie. That breeding produced 4 other FC AFC's. Tiger produced 8 FC or AFC and many more with AA points.

Her Dam is primarily out of MH's who are out of FC's. Nothing too spectacular until you get back there a ways with Maxx and other FC/AFC NFC's etc.

Cruz's dam only has one eye due to a bad batch of vaccines she received as a puppy. Trust me I checked the paper work from the vaccine company who payed for all expenses and surguries and admitted fault. I guess there were a lot of puppies that received that bad batch back in 2011 in Wisconsin.

She will be running for her MH this year.
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Post by: lokidog on January 23, 2015, 10:13:29 PM: What a cutie, sounds like you've got a good start on housebreaking. Have fun!
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Post by: Revwrangler on January 23, 2015, 10:16:25 PM: That's awesome! Congrats, enjoy!
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Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 23, 2015, 10:50:47 PM: I have a mcbunn daughter sitting on the couch. Thinking about a carbon son breeding in a couple weeks
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Post by: Waldo84 on January 25, 2015, 09:42:45 PM: Thanks guys. He is doing great so far.

Happy, which Carbon son?
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Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 26, 2015, 08:37:36 AM: Quote from: Waldo84 on January 25, 2015, 09:42:45 PM
Thanks guys. He is doing great so far.

Happy, which Carbon son?

They are two relatively unknowns who started off FT dogs and were washed out for hunting homes. One is at Buckos one in Yakima but, I haven't gotten in touch with the owner in Yakima yet. They were directly from Carbon not two or three removed.
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Post by: PointNLab on February 09, 2015, 09:08:50 PM: What a nice breeding. I've heard a lot of good things about bond.

A Carbon pup in Yakima and I haven't thrown birds for it yet?
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Post by: PointNLab on February 09, 2015, 09:17:53 PM: Setting here with a McBunn pup, Happy Joan just sent a McBunn chocolate male to Niland. Sharon May never have a Chessie again.
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Post by: mkcj on February 09, 2015, 09:33:03 PM: Is it common to use males that are 9-10 years old for breeding, or doesn't it matte?
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Post by: Waldo84 on February 09, 2015, 10:04:02 PM: Yes it is. If the dog is good enough it will produce litters well after it has passed. Many dogs from the past 15-20 years and at least 1 Fc Afc from the 80's is still producing a few litters a year with his frozen semen.
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Post by: lokidog on February 09, 2015, 10:12:58 PM: Quote from: Waldo84 on February 09, 2015, 10:04:02 PM
Yes it is. If the dog is good enough it will produce litters well after it has passed. Many dogs from the past 15-20 years and at least 1 Fc Afc from the 80's is still producing a few litters a year with his frozen semen.

Yes but frozen semen from a dog in his prime can be quite different from a geriatric one. Not saying the above mentioned dog is a geriatric. :chuckle: Our dog Loki has half siblings still being conceived and she was born over ten years ago.
Title: Re: New pup!!!
Post by: Waldo84 on February 09, 2015, 10:19:21 PM: PointNlab, you may be hearing good stuff about Bond from me over on RTF :chuckle: :chuckle: so far he has more retrieve drive than any puppy I've had and he picked up the sit command the first time out. Walking on a lead is proving to be his least favorite. I'm going through Bill Hillman's puppy program. We'll see what direction I go with his formal training. I'll be looking forward to running some tests with you and your McBunn pup.
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Post by: PointNLab on February 11, 2015, 10:23:15 PM: I'm a die hard Hillman fan! My first lab was from Cosmo lines and I would give anything to have used that approach on him. Nothing better than running a hard charging fire breather that knows how to sit. If you get to the dry side give me a buzz and we can train.
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Post by: wildweeds on February 12, 2015, 07:10:23 AM: My 10 year old setter sired a litter of 9,3 years ago,I've known several dogs 14 years old that sired very large litters of more than 12.The frozen deal is that the quality of the spunk to be frozen holds up to the deep freeze and subsequent rethaw.I froze some from my male at 8 years old,He threw 1.3 billion swimmers which looked perfect under the scope pre freeze,post thaw not so good,a bunch of them didn't survive,what should have yeilded 8 breedings netted me 3.The very same day a freind collected a 3 year old gordon setter,he threw 1.2 billion and their outcome was 8 breeding pellets.
Quote from: mkcj on February 09, 2015, 09:33:03 PM
Is it common to use males that are 9-10 years old for breeding, or doesn't it matte?
Title: Re: New pup!!!
Post by: Waldo84 on February 12, 2015, 09:28:27 AM: Sounds good Doug. Let me know if you'll be making it to any of the Oregon tests, especially on Sauvie Island. I live about 30 minutes from there and train their on the weekends.
Quote from: PointNLab on February 11, 2015, 10:23:15 PM
I'm a die hard Hillman fan! My first lab was from Cosmo lines and I would give anything to have used that approach on him. Nothing better than running a hard charging fire breather that knows how to sit. If you get to the dry side give me a buzz and we can train.
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Post by: WAnoob on February 12, 2015, 09:40:53 AM: Congrats! Labs are so loyal and friendly for the whole family. They are really bouncy for the first few years as puppies though :IBCOOL:
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Post by: Waldo84 on February 17, 2015, 11:35:44 AM: Hes getting big. can't believe it's only been 3 weeks. Training is going well using Hillmann. Tons of drive still and is sitting very nicely. Walking on a lead is also very easy, he isn't a fighter. He does however like to play keep away, I have to literally run the other way to get him to "chase" me so that i can grab his rope. It's a lot of fun. Also, you can see why we named him "Cruz". He has a white "cross" on his chest. Cruz is spanish for cross. He also has a couple of white toes on his back paws. This way i'll be able to tell him apart from all the other chocolates out there. :chuckle:
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Post by: JJD on February 19, 2015, 06:42:09 AM: My "pup" is nearly a year now, man, they grow fast.
Seems just yesterday he was jus a little ball of fur.

Waldo84,
He a great lookin pup :tup:
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Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 19, 2015, 06:54:35 AM: My male is out of carbon copy blood, and I was lucky and got mark to train him before he moved away
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Post by: Waldo84 on February 19, 2015, 08:32:25 AM: Quote from: HighCountryHunter88 on February 19, 2015, 06:54:35 AM
My male is out of carbon copy blood, and I was lucky and got mark to train him before he moved away

Gotta love seeing them do what they are bred for. Cruz gets introduced to a live chukar today. He was smelling the box last night and went ape $h!t. Should be a good time. I'm setting up the GoPro and hopefully get it all on video.
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Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 19, 2015, 08:36:56 AM: yea im starting to get the itch for another pup but the wife says we have enough dogs
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Post by: Waldo84 on February 19, 2015, 09:34:23 AM: I am thinking of breeding my blf to a FC/AFC this year. She is by a FC/AFC and out of a MH. I will have both blacks and chocolates in the litter (if I decide to do it). Will be great gun dogs. My female is the coolest dog ever. In fact, she is the new "Lodge Dog" where I work here in Vancouver because of her temperament around people and mellow nature. But get her in the field and around birds and she is a different animal.
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Post by: ELKBURGER on March 13, 2015, 09:02:24 AM: beautiful Pup there Waldo! Love the name and his markings. My blf has the common white spots on her chest. Tons of fun for sure.
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Post by: Waldo84 on March 23, 2015, 02:08:37 PM: Updated pic of the little guy Cruz 16 weeks old and is really fun to work with. They grow up so fast!
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Post by: ELKBURGER on March 24, 2015, 05:41:18 AM: Handsome little guy :tup:
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Post by: Gobble on March 24, 2015, 05:45:17 AM: Great lookin pup!