Post by: RadSav on February 02, 2015, 12:08:41 AM
My hope is to start getting at least some samplings out to all our direct dealers in WA by the end of the week. My intent is to use this thread to notify H-W when different shops take possession of product through direct purchases. Of course I can not advise if orders are placed through our distributing partners. But hopefully a representative from shops can post a note on here if they begin stocking through those other venues.
If you would like to receive a catalog prior to our website being completed please send me a PM and I will have one mailed to you asap.
Thank you all for your patience and interest in the new Savora products!
Post by: RadSav on February 02, 2015, 12:12:07 AM
Joe should have these on display at the Portland Sportsman's show Feb 4-8.
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 02, 2015, 12:38:40 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 02, 2015, 04:16:36 PM
Radsav are you going to the portland show for any reason?
I have no plans to go to the show at this time. If Lamiglas or a customer needed help I myself would consider it. But, RAD, Inc. does not do consumer shows.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 02, 2015, 04:19:42 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 02, 2015, 06:30:03 PM
i was just wondering if you were going personally. I figured savora would have a booth. Think ill be down that way all weekend so thought i'd ask.Radsav are you going to the portland show for any reason?
I have no plans to go to the show at this time. If Lamiglas or a customer needed help I myself would consider it. But, RAD, Inc. does not do consumer shows.
Post by: RadSav on February 02, 2015, 07:32:41 PM
And I personally will always stand by Lamiglas when and if they ask for my help. Though the business has greatly effected my "What have you done for us lately" standing with them. And I'm sure they are tired of hearing me complain about the Esprit Concept rods no longer being available. Sorry, but I like cork :chuckle:
What brings you down to Portland?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 02, 2015, 08:24:40 PM
I'll be at the show all weekend and I'll keep an eye out for ya.i was just wondering if you were going personally. I figured savora would have a booth. Think ill be down that way all weekend so thought i'd ask.Radsav are you going to the portland show for any reason?
I have no plans to go to the show at this time. If Lamiglas or a customer needed help I myself would consider it. But, RAD, Inc. does not do consumer shows.
Post by: JBar on February 03, 2015, 04:27:07 AM
Post by: RadSav on February 03, 2015, 06:09:43 AM
RadSav- This may be a silly question and one you may have answered in another thread but what is the thought behind a longer chisel point rather than a shorter one that puts the point closer to the blades?
There are two benefits to this type of point/blade profile;
One is that the longer point hits first before the blades on quartering way animals reducing the chance of skip/glancing shots. This can be a real problem with short steep angled blades. So the long point is a security measure.
Second is that the longer point stretches the hide slightly before the steep angled short blades start cutting leaving a larger entry and exit wound than the diameter of the head would make otherwise. I noticed this much more with the first prototypes, but once we finished the double scallop point it did reduce this a bit as it cuts a little too easy. A trade off we were happy to take. If you want a larger hole you can simply flatten the very tip a little and that will enlarge the hole in the hide. Makes no difference on internal tissue though.
Regardless of the uneducated hype about points...they really make a VERY minute difference in penetration. Size and shape of blade vents, sharpness of the blades, number of blades and diameter make a much larger impact on penetration than does a point of nearly any shape. Static force tests measure the exact opposite of what actually happens when an arrow strikes it's target. So for the most part point topics are marketing hype and/or complete rubbish. Though we did make sure these points excel in a static force test for those who choose not to believe ;) I burnished the edges on these points to help with the second point mentioned. So a guy could even sharpen them more if he desires to improve the static performance.
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 03, 2015, 06:14:56 AM
No consumer booths for us. Besides being insanely busy we don't want to become competitors to our dealer base. We do try to assist any dealers working shows, if they ask for it.i have family in Portland so i always plan a trip to visit during the show.
And I personally will always stand by Lamiglas when and if they ask for my help. Though the business has greatly effected my "What have you done for us lately" standing with them. And I'm sure they are tired of hearing me complain about the Esprit Concept rods no longer being available. Sorry, but I like cork :chuckle:
What brings you down to Portland?
Post by: JBar on February 03, 2015, 07:12:27 AM
RadSav- This may be a silly question and one you may have answered in another thread but what is the thought behind a longer chisel point rather than a shorter one that puts the point closer to the blades?
There are two benefits to this type of point/blade profile;
One is that the longer point hits first before the blades on quartering way animals reducing the chance of skip/glancing shots. This can be a real problem with short steep angled blades. So the long point is a security measure.
Second is that the longer point stretches the hide slightly before the steep angled short blades start cutting leaving a larger entry and exit wound than the diameter of the head would make otherwise. I noticed this much more with the first prototypes, but once we finished the double scallop point it did reduce this a bit as it cuts a little too easy. A trade off we were happy to take. If you want a larger hole you can simply flatten the very tip a little and that will enlarge the hole in the hide. Makes no difference on internal tissue though.
Regardless of the uneducated hype about points...they really make a VERY minute difference in penetration. Size and shape of blade vents, sharpness of the blades, number of blades and diameter make a much larger impact on penetration than does a point of nearly any shape. Static force tests measure the exact opposite of what actually happens when an arrow strikes it's target. So for the most part point topics are marketing hype and/or complete rubbish. Though we did make sure these points excel in a static force test for those who choose not to believe ;) I burnished the edges on these points to help with the second point mentioned. So a guy could even sharpen them more if he desires to improve the static performance.
Thanks for the education Rad!! :tup:
Post by: RadSav on May 28, 2015, 11:30:31 AM
Split Diamond Outfitters - Goldendale
Rock Creek Archery - Enumclaw
Spokane Valley - Green Acres
Grizzly Archery - Yakima
Steve's Archery - Walla Walla
Whitetail Plus - Deer Park
Riverside Archery - Mount Vernon
xXx - Longview/Rainer, OR
There will be a few more by the end of next week. Will post them after they ship.
Post by: NW-GSP on May 28, 2015, 11:58:55 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 28, 2015, 12:04:51 PM
Good selection of broadheads are now in the following WA stores:
Split Diamond Outfitters - Goldendale
Rock Creek Archery - Enumclaw
Spokane Valley - Green Acres
Grizzly Archery - Yakima
Steve's Archery - Walla Walla
Whitetail Plus - Deer Park
Riverside Archery - Mount Vernon
xXx - Longview/Rainer, OR
There will be a few more by the end of next week. Will post them after they ship.
Nock Point any time soon?
Post by: RadSav on May 28, 2015, 01:01:38 PM
I do know that VanWinkles will have a care package going out tomorrow! So they should have broadheads on the shelf by middle of next week.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 28, 2015, 02:17:21 PM
Cant wait to try these at distance and on a critter!
Post by: Nice Racks on May 28, 2015, 02:43:57 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 28, 2015, 02:45:55 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 28, 2015, 03:12:51 PM
What's the closest store to Tacoma that sells the TiCon 125's?
I think right now that would be Denton @ Rock Creek Archery in Enumscratch.
We do have two major nationwide distributors that are carrying almost the entire line. So there could be retailers carrying the product that I do not know about.
Post by: RadSav on May 28, 2015, 03:19:34 PM
I got some ti con 125 heads and i am impressed! The fit and finish is unreal! Blades are amazingly sharp as well. Greg at whitetail plus asked me to shoot one through the broadhead board. It went through it like butter (5/8 chip board). Pulled it from the target behind and it looked as new. Blades still feel razor sharp and still perfectly straight.
Cant wait to try these at distance and on a critter!
It seems big by comparison to the other heads in the line, but it flies great. I'd guess 80 to 90% of the animals I have taken over the past five years have been with that design. 10-15 years prior to that it was a head very similar just with an aluminum ferrule. So that is by far our most time tested design. The main reason I bought Savora in the first place was how well that product and blade style performed. The Titanium 125 was the first real material and ferrule change after I took over the company. MLBowhunting has been the Field Master with that head over the past two years!
Post by: elk247 on May 28, 2015, 04:01:04 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 28, 2015, 04:13:53 PM
The current 125 grain offerings both use the same blade. Only difference between the two is the weight collar and the ferrule material.
We will have two other 125 grain heads available around the 4th of July. They will use the HPV and LPS blades as they will be sold as the DelMastro HPV125 and the VanDyke LPS125. D-Rock received some prototypes to test last week. Maybe he will chime in and share how his shooting session went with them!
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 28, 2015, 05:10:48 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 28, 2015, 05:42:25 PM
Curious, why titanium for the ferrule?
All the cool kids shoot Titanium!! :IBCOOL:
Basic reason is that it allows us to use a one piece ferrule...No point to come loose allowing blades to be lost.
Other benefits are:
More rigid than aluminum so fewer bent ferrules.
Stronger so we can slim down points and maximize shoulder angles.
Machined properly it reduces friction with a super slick finish.
Salt water friendly so coastal archers don't worry about ferrules welding to inserts.
Del wanted a ferrule that was as tough an SOB as he is! :chuckle:
I think once you get them assembled you will see that there is a level of quality in our titanium ferrules that an anodized aluminum ferrule just can not match.
Post by: MLBowhunting on May 28, 2015, 06:15:18 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 28, 2015, 06:42:09 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on May 28, 2015, 06:44:28 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 28, 2015, 06:46:57 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 28, 2015, 07:05:07 PM
Yes, all replacement blades are available. I know Carpsniper just got a stock of all the blades we carry. And most WA stores are only a couple days away from having them if they place an order.sorry I've been super busy packing out bears and getting course ready at GFSC for this weekends 3-D shoot. I did pull out my hunting bow and shoot a few times the other evening. My bow hasn't been touched since December so it was slightly off for my liking but it was the bow not the heads I'm sure. I only shot the 125's at 20 and 30yds so far I like what I see. I'll probably try some 100yds stuff this weekend.
The current 125 grain offerings both use the same blade. Only difference between the two is the weight collar and the ferrule material.
We will have two other 125 grain heads available around the 4th of July. They will use the HPV and LPS blades as they will be sold as the DelMastro HPV125 and the VanDyke LPS125. D-Rock received some prototypes to test last week. Maybe he will chime in and share how his shooting session went with them!
Post by: deltaops on May 28, 2015, 07:07:05 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 28, 2015, 08:00:34 PM
My bow hasn't been touched since December so it was slightly off for my liking but it was the bow not the heads I'm sure. I only shot the 125's at 20 and 30yds so far I like what I see. I'll probably try some 100yds stuff this weekend.
Wife says those arrows are purdy!! :chuckle:
Post by: dreamingbig on May 28, 2015, 08:48:48 PM
hey I see pink better at distance than any other color so I support Drock! Here are mine. Now I just need some LPS 125 titaniums!(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F05%2F28%2Faba2231e52cace09c18ec319f7ef43cc.jpg&hash=2e2e6ef665456115441cf66b847663720067a5fa)My bow hasn't been touched since December so it was slightly off for my liking but it was the bow not the heads I'm sure. I only shot the 125's at 20 and 30yds so far I like what I see. I'll probably try some 100yds stuff this weekend.
Wife says those arrows are purdy!! :chuckle:
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 28, 2015, 09:27:06 PM
The fit and finish is outstanding and blades fit great.. i guess the slickness helps too! :tung:
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 28, 2015, 10:29:49 PM
Post by: RadSav on July 05, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
I do not see replacement blades list yet, but I'm sure that is just an oversight. Those wanting to order online with quick delivery should really look at supporting our Hunt-Wa members in Phelps and Carp!
Also, I posted in another thread that we do drop ship direct to the consumer if a local pro shop wishes us to. So if your favorite local shop is out of stock or they do not have the exact model you want just have them call us and ask for a drop ship. We do this across the nation on a regular basis as most shops can't afford to carry all of our peep colors and broadhead styles.
Post by: RadSav on July 05, 2015, 03:26:05 PM
Post by: JJB11B on July 05, 2015, 05:19:03 PM
Post by: RadSav on July 05, 2015, 05:24:57 PM
Post by: Big6bull on July 05, 2015, 08:42:45 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on July 06, 2015, 03:17:08 PM
Post by: Nice Racks on February 28, 2016, 10:33:19 AM
Yes, all replacement blades are available. I know Carpsniper just got a stock of all the blades we carry. And most WA stores are only a couple days away from having them if they place an order.
The current 125 grain offerings both use the same blade. Only difference between the two is the weight collar and the ferrule material.
We will have two other 125 grain heads available around the 4th of July. They will use the HPV and LPS blades as they will be sold as the DelMastro HPV125 and the VanDyke LPS125. D-Rock received some prototypes to test last week. Maybe he will chime in and share how his shooting session went with them!
Are the VanDyke 125's available, and if so where can I buy some at?
Post by: RadSav on February 28, 2016, 12:20:36 PM
I will let people know if they are available sooner than this.
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2016, 12:35:40 PM
Post by: Nice Racks on February 28, 2016, 12:40:36 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 28, 2016, 12:48:55 PM
Plus, I had to cancel my b-day trip back to NWT >:( >:( :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on February 28, 2016, 12:53:33 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 28, 2016, 01:03:15 PM
Our goal of bringing back the sharpness and quality of the old Savora blades continues. I promise not to be satisfied until we achieve this goal.
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 28, 2016, 01:16:20 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 28, 2016, 02:15:54 PM
The struggles of manufacturing :bash:
American supply chains have gotten to be horrible! Two weeks delivery usually means three months, "To Print" usually means roughly in the ball park, and "Here, I fixed it for you!" has become common place - even though they have no idea what it is you are doing. There has even been a high occurrence of "I knew they were not coming out to spec, but we ran 5,000 anyway. If you would like us to run them again we would be happy to. But first you need to pay us for all the bad parts and the new ones will cost you 125% more." :bash: :bash:
Uline, the cardboard, plastic bag and warehouse supplies distributor with the DC in Auburn, WA has been an exception to that rule. Anyone on here that works for them...You guys ROCK!! :tup:
Post by: Skillet on February 28, 2016, 03:08:03 PM
The struggles of manufacturing :bash:
American supply chains have gotten to be horrible! Two weeks delivery usually means three months, "To Print" usually means roughly in the ball park, and "Here, I fixed it for you!" has become common place - even though they have no idea what it is you are doing. There has even been a high occurrence of "I knew they were not coming out to spec, but we ran 5,000 anyway. If you would like us to run them again we would be happy to. But first you need to pay us for all the bad parts and the new ones will cost you 125% more." :bash: :bash:
Uline, the cardboard, plastic bag and warehouse supplies distributor with the DC in Auburn, WA has been an exception to that rule. Anyone on here that works for them...You guys ROCK!! :tup:
One of our former engineers had a classic line for anything that came back from a vendor off-spec-
"We sent them the Mona Lisa, they sent back a lady in a black dress."
Post by: RadSav on February 28, 2016, 03:23:10 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 02, 2016, 06:21:34 AM
The first run of DelMastro and Vandyke 125 ferrules were rejected due to poor finish and shallow blade-pin holes. That vendor has decided he is no longer interested in working with titanium. Guess it is too expensive to make parts wrong. So we have now purchased our own machine to make the titanium ferrules. Programs are being worked on now. But it looks like I will not have production ferrules and packaging for either the new 125 or the Deep Six model until April 1st.I'd Still like to check out this new machine some time. Titanium does seem like it wouldn't be that much fun to machine.
I will let people know if they are available sooner than this.
Post by: RadSav on March 02, 2016, 06:27:55 AM
I would love to get you down to see the machine. It's the first of it's kind in Washington State. Crazy how fast it is!
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 03, 2016, 12:11:30 PM
One of the things this has allowed us to do was work and experiment on the design a little more. That has allowed us to fine tune materials and techniques leading to a head with the exact same scalloping as the 100 grain. So it is a bit different than the ones D-Rock tested last year. We are very excited about the result. Just need to get them out the door now.are the 100 grain and 125 grain the same now just a different collar?
Post by: RadSav on March 03, 2016, 12:34:37 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 03, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
Only difference is the RPS is slightly longer to accommodate the larger weight collar. And that weight collar is now Stainless Steel instead of titanium.got it.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 03, 2016, 02:11:48 PM
The first run of DelMastro and Vandyke 125 ferrules were rejected due to poor finish and shallow blade-pin holes. That vendor has decided he is no longer interested in working with titanium. Guess it is too expensive to make parts wrong. So we have now purchased our own machine to make the titanium ferrules. Programs are being worked on now. But it looks like I will not have production ferrules and packaging for either the new 125 or the Deep Six model until April 1st.well I'm going to have to get some more 125's before my Washington state spring bear tag starts. I flung arrows like a man possessed last season. Cows and does everywhere and I have a very touchy release finger and zero self control.
I will let people know if they are available sooner than this.
Post by: RadSav on March 03, 2016, 02:24:08 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 03, 2016, 02:33:21 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 03, 2016, 02:54:42 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 03, 2016, 08:44:20 PM
Lmao that made me laugh irl.The first run of DelMastro and Vandyke 125 ferrules were rejected due to poor finish and shallow blade-pin holes. That vendor has decided he is no longer interested in working with titanium. Guess it is too expensive to make parts wrong. So we have now purchased our own machine to make the titanium ferrules. Programs are being worked on now. But it looks like I will not have production ferrules and packaging for either the new 125 or the Deep Six model until April 1st.well I'm going to have to get some more 125's before my Washington state spring bear tag starts. I flung arrows like a man possessed last season. Cows and does everywhere and I have a very touchy release finger and zero self control.
I will let people know if they are available sooner than this.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 04, 2016, 06:59:53 AM