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Title: Advocates seek new status for gray wolves in Lower 48 to avoid Congressional int
Post by: bearpaw on February 02, 2015, 01:51:08 AM: Advocates seek new status for gray wolves in Lower 48 to avoid Congressional intervention

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS January 27, 2015

BILLINGS, Montana — Wildlife advocates have petitioned federal officials to reclassify gray wolves as a threatened species, hoping to retain at least some protections that lawmakers in Congress want to repeal.

Wolves are classified as endangered across most of the lower 48 states except the Northern Rockies. "Endangered" is a more protective listing than "threatened."

Brett Hartl with the Center for Biological Diversity said Tuesday's petition asking the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to downgrade the animals' status is meant to pre-empt Congressional intervention.

Lawmakers from the western Great Lakes and Wyoming have proposed lifting federal protections entirely in their states. That would put wolves under state control and allow hunting to resume after it was barred by the courts.

Spokesman Gavin Shire says the Fish and Wildlife Service will review the petition.

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http://tinyurl.com/nlevtam (http://tinyurl.com/nlevtam)
Title: Re: Advocates seek new status for gray wolves in Lower 48 to avoid Congressional int
Post by: idahohuntr on February 02, 2015, 08:36:44 AM: Same thing happened when Congress de-listed wolves in Id and Mt...all but the fringe groups tried to withdraw their litigation...too little too late. I normally have a distaste for congress meddling in these issues, but if these fringe groups want to keep suing over an animal that is clearly not endangered...this should continue to be the result.
Title: Re: Advocates seek new status for gray wolves in Lower 48 to avoid Congressional int
Post by: wolfbait on February 02, 2015, 09:27:37 PM: Quote from: bearpaw on February 02, 2015, 01:51:08 AM
Advocates seek new status for gray wolves in Lower 48 to avoid Congressional intervention

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS January 27, 2015

BILLINGS, Montana — Wildlife advocates have petitioned federal officials to reclassify gray wolves as a threatened species, hoping to retain at least some protections that lawmakers in Congress want to repeal.

Wolves are classified as endangered across most of the lower 48 states except the Northern Rockies. "Endangered" is a more protective listing than "threatened."

Brett Hartl with the Center for Biological Diversity said Tuesday's petition asking the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to downgrade the animals' status is meant to pre-empt Congressional intervention.

Lawmakers from the western Great Lakes and Wyoming have proposed lifting federal protections entirely in their states. That would put wolves under state control and allow hunting to resume after it was barred by the courts.

Spokesman Gavin Shire says the Fish and Wildlife Service will review the petition.

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http://tinyurl.com/nlevtam (http://tinyurl.com/nlevtam)

Is Delisting Rigged

If you follow ESA issues, you know that the Greens win most of the lawsuits they file against the USFWS. That could be due to one of two things, incompetent federal biologists or the fact that the USFWS sets the lawsuits up to lose!
Read More @

http://idahoforwildlife.com/Charles%20Kay/77-wolf%20recovery-is%20delisting%20rigged.pdf (http://idahoforwildlife.com/Charles%20Kay/77-wolf%20recovery-is%20delisting%20rigged.pdf)
Title: Re: Advocates seek new status for gray wolves in Lower 48 to avoid Congressional int
Post by: Bob33 on February 02, 2015, 09:30:50 PM: "Wildlife advocates." :o
Title: Re: Advocates seek new status for gray wolves in Lower 48 to avoid Congressional int
Post by: Special T on February 02, 2015, 09:55:58 PM: The Sue and Settle strategy can be expanded to include suing and not putting up a grade A defense.
Title: Re: Advocates seek new status for gray wolves in Lower 48 to avoid Congressional int
Post by: idahohuntr on February 03, 2015, 07:48:04 AM: The government is well represented in court. Settlements take into account what is at stake, cost to litigate, and likelihood of prevailing. Attorneys don't go to court to lose.
Title: Re: Advocates seek new status for gray wolves in Lower 48 to avoid Congressional int
Post by: Special T on February 03, 2015, 08:09:39 AM: The ESA game is Chess not checkers. If you think that everything done regarding it is straight forward Then i would highly recommend learning to play chess and/or reading Sun Tzu's Art of War.

The anti hunter crowd is playing chess and the Wolf is a just a piece. When the response is so inept it is either Will-full or Incompetence.
Title: Re: Advocates seek new status for gray wolves in Lower 48 to avoid Congressional int
Post by: idahohuntr on February 03, 2015, 08:58:51 AM: How do you figure the wolf people are winning? Congress acted to delist them in 2011 in Id and Mt because of the greenies inability to "play chess" or see the bigger picture...now this thread indicates the same kind of thing is very possible for several other states and I would suggest with a Republican controlled congress is even more likely to occur than in 2011.

I also don't see how you consider the response inept? Can you point to something specific DOJ has done in wolf litigation that you find to be inept or incompetent? Actually, can you point to multiple instances of this incompetence...as your post suggests it is very common and not just one or two things.