Post by: TheHunt on February 05, 2015, 09:59:51 AM
I am trying to plan this coming year out...
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 05, 2015, 10:05:48 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 05, 2015, 10:15:43 AM
Post by: TheHunt on February 05, 2015, 10:16:41 AM
Post by: zwickeyman on February 05, 2015, 10:29:04 AM
This would make
Archery Elk better
Muzzle Elk worse
Rifle Deer better
Rifle Elk better
Too bad I hunt Elk with a Muzzy, just my luck.
Post by: bobcat on February 05, 2015, 10:36:05 AM
If muzzleloader elk season starts on the 10th that would be a change from previous seasons, since it has been on the first Saturday of October.
Post by: HUNT-HARD on February 05, 2015, 10:37:49 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 05, 2015, 10:38:38 AM
One of the guys at the WDFW booth at the sportsman show said everything is moving back a week. That would put the Early Elk opener on the 10th :'(
This would make
Archery Elk better
Muzzle Elk worse
Rifle Deer better
Rifle Elk better
Too bad I hunt Elk with a Muzzy, just my luck.
You could change weapons :dunno: plenty of time to get proficient with daily shooting :twocents:
Post by: washelkhunter on February 05, 2015, 11:04:31 AM
Post by: Dry creek on February 06, 2015, 09:56:23 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on February 06, 2015, 10:09:02 AM
Post by: Damnimissed on February 06, 2015, 08:24:36 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 06, 2015, 08:28:05 PM
Looks like 16 new units for early season. It's about time.
Where did you hear that? I heard it was 22 new units.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 06, 2015, 08:32:53 PM
Post by: Damnimissed on February 06, 2015, 10:04:16 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 06, 2015, 10:29:52 PM
So I see the early muzzleloader elk season hasn't been moved back, it's the same as always: Oct 3-9. What did change is the muzzleloader deer season runs at the same time, except the deer season is two days longer, so you get one more weekend for deer.
The new units added are, if I can remember them all: Willapa Hills, Bear River, Storm King, Margaret, Packwood, Winston, Williams Creek, Mossyrock, Coweeman, Lewis River, Goodman, Clearwater, Siouxon, Wynoochee, Coyle, Stampede. (westside)
I think I got them all. Boy this is going to be a hard decision this year! Which tag to buy? Or don't buy an elk tag at all?
Oh, and yes, the archery season looks like September 12-24.
Post by: bobcat on February 06, 2015, 10:32:22 PM
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Post by: buglebuster on February 06, 2015, 11:03:54 PM
Post by: chester on February 06, 2015, 11:06:32 PM
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Post by: lonedave on February 06, 2015, 11:08:49 PM
Post by: lonedave on February 06, 2015, 11:10:10 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 06, 2015, 11:10:59 PM
Also, check out all the new quality deer tags in SW Washington. (mostly modern firearm)
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Post by: bigbeamhunter on February 07, 2015, 12:34:38 AM
Post by: Pigfuz on February 07, 2015, 01:20:14 AM
Post by: buglebuster on February 07, 2015, 06:34:26 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 07, 2015, 07:14:44 AM
I Think this will devastating to the big bull in the higher units they added
That was my initial reaction but that early in the year, elk can get really elusive really quick.
Post by: Naches Sportsman on February 07, 2015, 07:56:48 AM
That changes my plans for deer as I wished the seasons didnt overlap. I guess I will draw a muti tag and buy it so if I draw a bull tag that I could hunt in modern rifle.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on February 07, 2015, 08:01:27 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 07, 2015, 08:05:19 AM
There are several new GMU's open in the southeast. 145, 149, 154, 162, 163, 166, 175, and 178.
What I'm wondering, is how many people will be hunting Margaret?
Edit: just noticed Teanaway (335) and Quilomene (329) will be open for early muzzleloader
Post by: Naches Sportsman on February 07, 2015, 08:10:42 AM
There isn't much change to the Yakima units for early muzzleloader. The only change I see is Bethel (360) is no longer open for early muzzleloader.
There are several new GMU's open in the southeast. 145, 149, 154, 162, 163, 166, 175, and 178.
What I'm wondering, is how many people will be hunting Margaret?
I read it as through 368. As there isnt a comma before 368 and the through isn't crossed out.
Also, the quality muzzy hunters get the short end of the stick it they draw in my eyes. They will be with thousands of other huntersduring general muzzy compared to the other weapons choices and their hunts.
Post by: Naches Sportsman on February 07, 2015, 08:17:00 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 07, 2015, 08:18:55 AM
There isn't much change to the Yakima units for early muzzleloader. The only change I see is Bethel (360) is no longer open for early muzzleloader.
There are several new GMU's open in the southeast. 145, 149, 154, 162, 163, 166, 175, and 178.
What I'm wondering, is how many people will be hunting Margaret?
I read it as through 368. As there isnt a comma before 368 and the through isn't crossed out.
Also, the quality muzzy hunters get the short end of the stick it they draw in my eyes. They will be with thousands of other huntersduring general muzzy compared to the other weapons choices and their hunts.
You're right, sorry, Bethel is open. I just looked real quick and saw it was crossed out.
Most of the quality archery permits are at the same time as the general archery season as well.
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 07, 2015, 08:29:59 AM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on February 07, 2015, 08:38:40 AM
Post by: floatinghat on February 07, 2015, 09:13:02 AM
If the goal is to kill a bull, this is the season/weapon no doubt. Those dates combined with the units it will be like clubbing baby seals.
I expect a lot of this mis-direction. I don't think the percentage of animals taken will vary significantly from the past. What it does do is open some additional units. That will add hunters thinking that it will that opportunity to get in on the gold rush early. Is it positive for muzzy hunters yes, IMO the impact to the herd will be lower than archery. I am not planning on changing from muzzy to archery or modern but this wouldn't make me change from one of those methods to muzzy. A significant number of these units have access permits and are known hoof rot units.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on February 07, 2015, 09:56:24 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 07, 2015, 10:01:55 AM
Will there be any bulls left to hunt by the time rifle season gets here? :yike:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 07, 2015, 10:05:49 AM
I'm having a very hard time trying to decide what to do. Should I try the new, later archery season? Or one of the new units in the early muzzleloader season? Or, should I go modern and expect to see a lot less orange in the woods, because everyone else is going archery or muzzleloader this year.I'm wondering that too bobcat. And with the new units open, they adjusted special permits for modern too. The permits look to start the day after archery and end the day before muzzy. Used to have a cool off time between.
Will there be any bulls left to hunt by the time rifle season gets here? :yike:
Post by: jeffitz on February 07, 2015, 10:06:09 AM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on February 07, 2015, 10:37:34 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 07, 2015, 10:43:10 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 07, 2015, 10:54:32 AM
I'm not sure if the muzzleloader season will be more crowded or not. With all the additional open units, maybe it will be less crowded? It all depends on how many people decide to take up muzzleloading, who have not before.I'm guessing a lot less crowded (unless a bunch of bowhunters go under the muzzy tag, but with a 12-24 bow season that would be weird). For example when I did muzzy the early units for the peninsula was 607,602,603. 603 was pretty limited so it was really only 602 and 607. Last year with the Rayonier permits/leases, 602 became really limited. So 607 was getting packed. But now with 615 and 612 to be opened, it should really allow folks to spread out. So much land/roads in 615. I would guess that 607 will seem like a 'normal' general season now.
Post by: floatinghat on February 07, 2015, 11:22:11 AM
The number of cow tags on the dry side really didn't take a significant drop as I expected. My understanding of these proposals is they are established for 3 yrs? Can they adjust the number of permits easily, most guys I know who drew the permits last year and put any real effort tagged out.
Post by: washelkhunter on February 07, 2015, 12:32:31 PM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on February 07, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on February 07, 2015, 04:24:27 PM
Post by: Utah on February 07, 2015, 05:18:19 PM
I don't agee with the archery hunters being whiners. With all the new units being open to mz you the only way you couldn't fill your tag would be if you didn't go. I do t want a pissin match. But for mz to get that much opened up I think that should tell Ya who did
You don't have a clue my friend. Muzzy guys have sat by quietly for a very,very long time.
Anyone know if they will ever give a late season "buck" permit in the Entiat? In this lifetime? :bash:
Post by: bigbeamhunter on February 07, 2015, 05:40:21 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 07, 2015, 05:49:59 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on February 07, 2015, 06:01:42 PM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on February 07, 2015, 06:02:49 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on February 07, 2015, 06:23:29 PM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on February 07, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
I think its good you guys were able to get more units but I think it might have been to many.. I think there will be less archery hunters now so thats good. Anyway My wife is cooking my September 5th 7 point archery bull backstrap and its time to eat.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on February 07, 2015, 07:12:10 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on February 07, 2015, 07:24:10 PM
I wasn't whining. I think its good you guys were able to get more units but I think it might have been to many.
Whiner!!!!
Post by: Tbar on February 07, 2015, 07:39:31 PM
ML is getting screwed again. Now down to 7 days and no meaningful antlerless optys. Still spike only in the choice 300 gmus. AR is really sitting pretty now, proof that whiners do win. :chuckle: AR season should have been capped at 10 days for elk and left ML to start first wknd of Oct.This sounds like a preseason excuse. To me it looks like there will be ample opportunity to harvest with a muzzy.
Post by: Tbar on February 07, 2015, 07:44:08 PM
I wasn't whining. Just my opinion I could care less what part of September it is. My trophy room speaks for itself I think changing both seasons may have negative affects in a few years.:yeah:
I think its good you guys were able to get more units but I think it might have been to many.. I think there will be less archery hunters now so thats good. Anyway My wife is cooking my September 5th 7 point archery bull backstrap and its time to eat.
I completely agree. And congrats ona great archery bull.
Post by: TriggerMike on February 07, 2015, 07:47:52 PM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on February 07, 2015, 07:54:14 PM
Post by: plugger on February 07, 2015, 07:57:49 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on February 07, 2015, 08:04:30 PM
The last couple years, muzz season has been as bad as modern so I don't see it being more crowded, even with more switching to hunt it. That's a lot of new units. The Margret will be a huge draw and will be a circus, ( I hope) and will take pressure off the other areas. The question I have is did they do this because of the hunters or because of the access feesYou must be hunting on the Westside? There are 3 times as many hunters during mod fire compared to muzzy on the Eastside.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on February 07, 2015, 08:07:25 PM
Post by: plugger on February 07, 2015, 08:07:51 PM
Post by: Utah on February 07, 2015, 09:06:56 PM
Again can anyone recall a late season Entiat hunt for bucks with muzzys? Nope,screwed again...
Post by: Griz231 on February 07, 2015, 09:08:50 PM
So....which bull permit do I go after with these 10 points? I'm open to new areas.
Suggestions?
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on February 07, 2015, 09:09:13 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 07, 2015, 09:14:40 PM
Again can anyone recall a late season Entiat hunt for bucks with muzzys? Nope,screwed again...
Okay, nobody is "screwed." You want to apply for a late Entiat permit, buy a rifle tag, an archery tag, or multi season.
Post by: Utah on February 07, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
Why wait till they open all the extra units and finally give the muzzleloaders a better season to complain?
Think that's directed at me... Me, myself and I have written WDFW many many times especially regarding the lack of late season mulie hunts in comparison to AR and MOD guys. I've done my part. And prolly in a way to politically correct way.
Late Season Entiat any buck hunts
AR 50 tags
Mod 15 tags
ML 0 tags
The AR and Mod numbers have dropped. Anyone remember how many MOD and AR tags were given in the Entiat say 10 yrs ago? Has there ever been an any buck last season ML tags for the Entiat? :dunno:
Post by: Utah on February 07, 2015, 09:24:33 PM
Again can anyone recall a late season Entiat hunt for bucks with muzzys? Nope,screwed again...
Okay, nobody is "screwed." You want to apply for a late Entiat permit, buy a rifle tag, an archery tag, or multi season.
Laffin, gee thanks for the opportunity to take a late season buck in the Entiat with a ML. We all dream brother. One of my dreams is a late season Entiat hunt and a chance at a big migrator in that unit with a ML. Yours may vary.
Post by: wapitislayer on February 07, 2015, 10:55:43 PM
Post by: buglebuster on February 07, 2015, 11:25:57 PM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on February 07, 2015, 11:43:12 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 08, 2015, 11:37:56 AM
Oh the entiat :chuckle:
Yeah but how do you pronounce it? :chuckle:
Post by: buglebrush on February 28, 2015, 07:37:02 AM
I see it being a great year for mz but for the true muzzleloaders it will be crowded and in a couple years when the bull count is down. You'll be hunting spikes and cows even on the west side. You can thank those who pushes for it then. I'm a archery hunter although the season might be betteri l had know problem with it the way it was. Hunt harder
Oh my....
Washington had conditioned us with lies. Increased opportunity is not a bad thing. Really it's not. I grew up hunting Idaho. The more areas with opportunity the more you spread people out enhancing everyone's experience. I don't expect harvest numbers to jump significantly, but I do expect our enjoyment to improve.
Post by: AKBowman on March 01, 2015, 12:08:02 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 01, 2015, 12:41:07 AM
Can you hunt with archery gear on a muzzle tag/season?
Yes
Post by: trophyhunt on March 01, 2015, 07:09:23 AM
Can you hunt with archery gear on a muzzle tag/season?Not if it's a permit hunt, if it's a muzzy permit, you have to use muzzy. My cousin had a muzzy permit last year and he is an archer, we ask if we could use his bow instead and bigtex verified he could NOT use his bow. I'm only talking about permit hunts.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 01, 2015, 07:40:35 AM
Post by: AKBowman on March 01, 2015, 07:53:55 AM
Can you hunt with archery gear on a muzzle tag/season?
Yes
Lordy I hope I draw multi season elk this year! What an incredible combo of seasons early archery and early front stuffer would be.
Post by: NickH on March 11, 2015, 09:59:14 PM
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