Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Other Big Game => Topic started by: X-Force on February 10, 2015, 11:52:30 AM
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Did anyone else notice that WDFW is trying to split Goat tags into 2 categories? I cant see were this is beneficial to hunters but I can see where this will help them charge another $6 or $15 for permit applications.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2015/wsr_15-04-089.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2015/wsr_15-04-089.pdf)
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Aimed at places like over on the peninsula where that guy got killed by the goat a couple years ago. Too much human/goat interaction. I'd rather see it done this way than have a bunch of the goats killed by shooters for population control.
Seems like it's one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't scenarios. They need to reduce the population. Which way is better?
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I like the idea myself, another opportunity to draw without losing your points, whats there to complain about.
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Seems reasonable to me and defenitely a win win for the guys who drew those tags last year without researching the hunt and drew a lesser quality hunt and now get their points back. Thats the part Im not sure I agree with but its ony a couple hunters, but they will probly draw again before I do, that I dont like.
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Seems reasonable to me and defenitely a win win for the guys who drew those tags last year without researching the hunt and drew a lesser quality hunt and now get their points back. Thats the part Im not sure I agree with but its ony a couple hunters, but they will probly draw again before I do, that I dont like.
Where did you see that the hunters from last year would have their points restored?
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I was one of the unsuccessful hunters from the Mt WA A hunt last year and it's my understanding I won't be getting my points back because the hunt was before the new rules were in effect. Very disappointing but what do you do? Glad to see those hunts not affect future guys points though, VERY limited access.
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I didn't realize that access was limited. I assumed the OP goat hunts were like all the other wilderness goat hunts.
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I didn't realize that access was limited. I assumed the OP goat hunts were like all the other wilderness goat hunts.
From what I remember about the hunts that were posted on here last year, there was issue with the proximity to hikers and the like.
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It sounds like with the new rules starting this year. Your normal points will not have a factor or be used to draw these new hunts.
So I am wondering if you draw under this new classification. If you can kill a goat under these new hunts and still kill another goat under the normal app's?
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Looks like you can still only kill one goat:
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I didn't realize that access was limited. I assumed the OP goat hunts were like all the other wilderness goat hunts.
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The hunt itself was like other wilderness hunts I've done, beautiful, challenging and more fun than working. What wasn't expected was the lack of an established trail system throughout the area as exsists in other wilderness areas I've hunted, my bad.
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Did you just not see any goats to shoot or where they too close to hikers? Sorry you didn't get one.
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After some scouting trips during the summer, I spent 3 of the 4 weekends before the season trying to find a way into the area the wdfw bio said the majority of the billies in the unit were located (backside of Mt Pershing), never made it. While doing all the scouting, I was communicating with a few Hunt WA members helping other tag holders or who knew the area, and I made a choice to change where I was going to hunt. I had been trying to stay away from the Mt Ellinor trail because the bio wanted to avoid conflict between hunters and the hikers but I figured I could get to goat elevation and then go off trail to get away from the hikers, so the weekend before the opener, I bit the bullet and went up Mt Ellinor,bad idea, no place to go until you get closer to the top and then its only the SE face of the ridge between Ellinor and Mt WA until you get to a sheer rock face just before you get to WA. In the sun most of the day and hot. Was 10' from a nanny and kid the day before the season opened and then never saw another goat in an accesible spot the rest of the season. Spoke to the bio after the season and he said they had expected 10 to 12 goats to be in the vicinity of the Mt Ellinor trail, WRONG. One good thing, is that all the hikers I spoke with on the way up, and it was a lot, I probably saw 30 to 40 hikers that Sunday, understood or encouraged the hunting of the goats. It was a good hunt, just not what was expected. If anybody gets drawn for this permit and wants info, I'll try to help, just pm me.
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Katmai,
Great effort on your part.
I summited the Brothers 3 times back in the day.
Rough area but full of goats near the top.
That is a rugged area and glad you kept yourself safe.
I have been fortunate enough to draw 2 goat tags back in the day.
Nothing more exciting then a good ole fashioned mt goat hunt !!!!
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Thanks Falcon, the only thing I regret is doing it solo, nobody to talk to when glassing goats on other mountains. One hunter shot a goat out of the Brothers unit this year, according to the bio I spoke to after the hunt. Also, if it was easy, it wouldn't be called "hunting" just don't know how many more hunts like this I have in me.
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Don't mean to hijack this thread, but the Sheep permit numbers took a serious hit. down 6 from last year for all, with 3 given back to disabled. Impossible has become even harder to draw. yay!
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There are very few easy goat hunts. :yike:
I'm 52 and feel I have a few years left to at least accompany someone on a goat hunt if they dont run me into the ground :chuckle:
I ended up shooting this billy solo in the now closed Pratt River area in 84.
Steep and deep to say the least.
Knowing what I know goat hunting should always be done with a partner.
Good luck in the draws this year!
Bryan
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Great looking billy, I applied for the Pratt River area back in the late 80's or early 90's just before they quit handing out permits for the whole Mt Si area. In the spring you can still get above lake Loch Katrine and get up close to some goats up there, just no permits handed out. Guess I'm going to have to contribute to someone's gross annual income to get a goat now.
Where did you get the Dall in your avatar?
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Alaska Range back in 2007.
Wood River drainage to more more exact.
It was a once in a lifetime trip and felt blessed to been able to do it.
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What do you mean by limited access. Wilderness hunts. Have to put boots on the ground.
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Duh! Read all of the posts, might clear up your question.
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I did read the posts. There are trail systems. Climbers trails. Bushwack. Could have gone up the backside via Mildred Lakes Trail. I have hunted the area before for deer. So I know the area.
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Ok, I must not have been as clear with my other posts as I thought. Bushwacked, tried climbers trails I found referenced on mountaineers websites, was communicating with other guys helping other tag holders that went up the Mildred lakes trail and determined the back of Pershing was vertical and inaccessible. Wasn't the access I EXPECTED from hunting other wilderness areas with more extensive trail systems, like Norse Peak, Alpine Lakes, or the Pasayten. There won't be a next time so I guess I don't have to worry about it again. Thanks for the input. Ken
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Wish I saw that you had this tag before now. Would have been glad to have helped you out.
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I dint mind the depredations category but I don't think the hunt should count as your once in lifetime goat either than. If this is a damage hunt only then just have an entire separate category completely unrelated to the oil tags. Too many people will get drawn this way and just hunt if it's convenient or hunt for a trophy only and pass on goats that should be culled if it's still a once in lifetime goat.
I submitted a comment to that nature and would encourage others to do so too.
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Not sure if the scenario you present would happen. The chances of getting drawn again after being drawn for the conflict tag are still miniscule, so I think people will still want to harvest a goat, trophy or not. All it really does is give more chances to be drawn.
