Post by: AntlerHound on February 13, 2015, 10:16:43 PM
Post by: Humptulips on February 13, 2015, 10:51:22 PM
It has been a pretty good fund raiser for Oregon Sportsman. I think the Oregon Trappers Association has raised over $40,000 soliciting antler donations and selling them.
Post by: elk247 on February 13, 2015, 10:56:17 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 13, 2015, 10:57:07 PM
Post by: heronblu on February 13, 2015, 10:59:29 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 13, 2015, 11:09:47 PM
It wouldn't solve anything to ban the sale of them, people would just go underground with it and demand would actually increase.
Not to mention.. yet again we are talking about banning something that people use to make a living... I'm not sure what it is lately but my fellow outdoors men/women in Washington appear to believe the answer to solving any problem is government intervention and restriction of liberty (and they seem to favor bans for whatever reason).... (the baiting issue for example)
Post by: AntlerHound on February 13, 2015, 11:11:04 PM
It wouldn't solve anything to ban the sale of them, people would just go underground with it and demand would actually increase.
I don't think you could compete with the large scale commercial demand with an under market personally... Of course people will always break the laws... I live an area where people from out of state ... "Idaho" come over and literally camp on the Bulls... Very few bones left behind in some areas... Hard to compete when you can olny walk on weekends...And they sell all of there bones... Really erks me..
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 13, 2015, 11:19:31 PM
It wouldn't solve anything to ban the sale of them, people would just go underground with it and demand would actually increase.
I don't think you could compete with the large scale commercial demand with an under market personally... Of course people will always break the laws... I live an area where people from out of state ... "Idaho" come over and literally camp on the Bulls... Very few bones left behind in some areas... Hard to compete when you can olny walk on weekends...And they sell all of there bones... Really erks me..
I know it sucks that shed hunting has become so popular (and financially lucrative in some cases) but I can't support putting this type of ban on the sale of antlers just so us locals can hopefully get to it before those with more time on their hands.
Post by: AntlerHound on February 13, 2015, 11:20:03 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 13, 2015, 11:21:39 PM
Also the market would just be replaced with replica antler... For all of those folks that need those giant antler chandeliers!
Pretty sure the replica antler market wouldn't save this guys business:
https://www.facebook.com/TheAntlerCollector (https://www.facebook.com/TheAntlerCollector)
Post by: AntlerHound on February 13, 2015, 11:23:11 PM
Post by: runamuk on February 13, 2015, 11:30:42 PM
Post by: Skillet on February 13, 2015, 11:33:27 PM
How about we outlaw any removal of sheds at all? It's a mineral sourcefor the ecosystem, you know...
Post by: Bean Counter on February 13, 2015, 11:37:09 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 13, 2015, 11:40:52 PM
I truly don't believe some of these people just have more "time" on their hands... It's a business
Why is that a problem as long as they aren't trespassing etc. (which I do know happens... and of course there are laws to punish them for it... why do we need more). Loggers are allowed to log on public land, ranchers graze cattle on public land, outfitters can guide on public land, guides can take people on adventure trips on public land, berry pickers make jams, etc. etc..... Why would we ban someone from selling sheds?... Like I said.. I know it's frustrating to have such a high demand on antlers but I just don't see another restriction on liberty as being the best solution.
Post by: danderson on February 13, 2015, 11:41:06 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 13, 2015, 11:42:03 PM
You want to restrict somebody's entrepreneurial spirit because you don't like the competition for sheds... thanks man. I buy a few pounds of elk sheds a year to run a small project with my dad that I'm lucky to break even on. >:(
How about we outlaw any removal of sheds at all? It's a mineral sourcefor the ecosystem, you know...
Great point... and that is exactly where something like this would eventually go.... people tend not to think about the second and third order effects.
Post by: AntlerHound on February 13, 2015, 11:42:39 PM
You want to restrict somebody's entrepreneurial spirit because you don't like the competition for sheds... thanks man. I buy a few pounds of elk sheds a year to run a small project with my dad that I'm lucky to break even on. >:(
How about we outlaw any removal of sheds at all? It's a mineral sourcefor the ecosystem, you know...
Like I said your " bought" antlers and "entrepreneurial spirit" would be replaced with replica antler... And as far as the restriction of removal of antler... And mineral source ..Whole nother topic...
Post by: Skillet on February 13, 2015, 11:45:43 PM
Dogs don't like to chew plaster or resin as much as elk antler, bud.You want to restrict somebody's entrepreneurial spirit because you don't like the competition for sheds... thanks man. I buy a few pounds of elk sheds a year to run a small project with my dad that I'm lucky to break even on. >:(
How about we outlaw any removal of sheds at all? It's a mineral sourcefor the ecosystem, you know...
Like I said your " bought" antlers and "entrepreneurial spirit" would be replaced with replica antler... And as far as the restriction of removal of antler... And mineral source ..Whole nother topic...
Post by: AntlerHound on February 13, 2015, 11:45:52 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 13, 2015, 11:53:05 PM
Ahh it's not gonna happen ever anyway... I'll just keep burnin boot leather and stay behind the glass
That's the spirit... :tup:
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on February 14, 2015, 05:42:39 AM
Post by: Miles on February 14, 2015, 06:43:31 AM
Didn't the WDFW do a random phone survey and 59% want to ban the sale of sheds.............. :hello:
:chuckle:
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 14, 2015, 06:47:21 AM
Didn't the WDFW do a random phone survey and 59% want to ban the sale of sheds.............. :hello:
:chuckle: yeah..
"Although some potential exists, the Department has no data at this time to suggest that the practice of
selling shed antlers of deer and elk has a negative population or natural resource effect. Therefore it is a social issue that the Fish and Wildlife Commission will address."
:tup:
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 14, 2015, 06:56:21 AM
Didn't the WDFW do a random phone survey and 59% want to ban the sale of sheds.............. :hello:
And the population of the survey was all shed antler hunters but the potential ban was only on whitetail deer and elk shed antler hunters.... You see...Apparently the Mule Deer, Blacktail Deer and Moose shed hunters think that whitetail and elk shed hunters have it too easy and shouldn't be able to sell those sheds.... so the department has decided this is an important social issues to bring before the commission so we can consider banning it... because the WDFW is doing such a great job at managing the resource and all the social aspects of various users that restricting opportunities of a minority group is the best option. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: haugenna on February 14, 2015, 07:33:47 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 14, 2015, 07:40:56 AM
Better ban mushroom pickers as well.
And the snow grass pickers......
Post by: ICEMAN on February 14, 2015, 07:41:31 AM
Better ban mushroom pickers as well.
Blasphemy!
Post by: Rainier10 on February 14, 2015, 07:41:44 AM
Post by: nwwanderer on February 14, 2015, 08:07:20 AM
Post by: longwalker on February 14, 2015, 08:13:53 AM
Post by: Todd_ID on February 14, 2015, 08:22:09 AM
Post by: Skillet on February 14, 2015, 08:27:02 AM
Shed hunting is a big deal to some people. I have a buddy who hires a plane to fly the Blues for a few hours then hikes in and camps where they found the bulls. He can barely pack all the sheds he finds. He sells enough to pay the expenses and keeps the rest. I have no problem with that type of initiative and drive.
But... but... that's not FAIR, Comrade!!
:chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on February 14, 2015, 08:36:55 AM
So you don't like to sell yours. Nobody else should either. :bash:
It has been a pretty good fund raiser for Oregon Sportsman. I think the Oregon Trappers Association has raised over $40,000 soliciting antler donations and selling them.
:yeah:
Let's ban everything that somebody doesn't like. People complain about all the laws and lack of freedom, yet they ask for more laws if they think it will benefit themselves. :bash:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 14, 2015, 08:42:55 AM
So you don't like to sell yours. Nobody else should either. :bash:
It has been a pretty good fund raiser for Oregon Sportsman. I think the Oregon Trappers Association has raised over $40,000 soliciting antler donations and selling them.
:yeah:
Let's ban everything that somebody doesn't like. People complain about all the laws and lack of freedom, yet they ask for more laws if they think it will benefit themselves. :bash:
:yeah: Like that Hunt Wa forum that causes all the angst among us hunters should be banned too. :chuckle: :peep:
Post by: fastdam on February 14, 2015, 08:55:32 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 14, 2015, 08:57:34 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 14, 2015, 09:21:03 AM
It wouldn't solve anything to ban the sale of them, people would just go underground with it and demand would actually increase.
I don't think you could compete with the large scale commercial demand with an under market personally... Of course people will always break the laws... I live an area where people from out of state ... "Idaho" come over and literally camp on the Bulls... Very few bones left behind in some areas... Hard to compete when you can olny walk on weekends...And they sell all of there bones... Really erks me..
Wow... I can't get mine, so they should not be able to get theirs? :bash:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 14, 2015, 09:29:55 AM
I wouldn't want a ban or season or license, but maybe do something with the trespassing enforcement for private land.
Post by: bigtex on February 14, 2015, 09:34:22 AM
Better ban mushroom pickers as well.Well mushroom picking is at least regulated.
Post by: builtfordtough on February 14, 2015, 09:52:14 AM
Post by: bigtex on February 14, 2015, 09:56:16 AM
Mushroom hunting is regulated? Never been checked. Been picking chantrells for 25 yrs. I think the quota is a 5 gallon bucket... Gotta get them before the mushroom clubs get themEach land management agency has their own regs. Most of the Forest Service Ranger Districts now require a free permit to collect any mushrooms. Under state law, if you collect over 5 gallons you need a specialized forest products permit which are issued by the sheriff's department.
Post by: h20hunter on February 14, 2015, 10:11:45 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2015, 10:27:31 AM
Post by: longwalker on February 14, 2015, 10:51:57 AM
I wouldn't be in favor of this idea at all. I do wish there was a way to eliminate the jackwagons in their dirt bikes and snow machines running the deer all over the mountain. Side note. Pretty sure the jackwagon on the dirt bike chasing the deer up and down the hill in the entiat a couple weeks ago got busted. That's good news.
I would be all for outlawing atv's of any kind on Any and all public land not designated specifay an orv park but that has nothing to do with sheds. I just see atv's as a plauge and would love to see them go
Post by: HunterStrait on February 14, 2015, 11:11:45 AM
Hell, when i was hunting during modern firearm season for deer, in an area that's apparently hunted hard by shed hunters, i found a decent elk shed out in the middle of a grassy slope.
My advice, look in the easiest places, most shed hunters look in the hardest places.
Post by: Stein on February 14, 2015, 12:06:38 PM
Post by: washingtonmuley on February 14, 2015, 12:13:55 PM
Post by: stevemiller on February 14, 2015, 12:29:15 PM
Post by: antlerking on February 14, 2015, 03:20:20 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 14, 2015, 06:13:34 PM
I wouldn't be in favor of this idea at all. I do wish there was a way to eliminate the jackwagons in their dirt bikes and snow machines running the deer all over the mountain. Side note. Pretty sure the jackwagon on the dirt bike chasing the deer up and down the hill in the entiat a couple weeks ago got busted. That's good news.
I would be all for outlawing atv's of any kind on Any and all public land not designated specifay an orv park but that has nothing to do with sheds. I just see atv's as a plauge and would love to see them go
I would be all for outlawing people who drive their trucks/jeeps/cars of any kind on PUBLIC land. Every time I go into the mountains to recreate/hunt there are so many trucks. Talk about a plague. :bash: :bash: :'( :'(
OR we could just ban people who like to long walk in the forest :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: stevemiller on February 14, 2015, 06:35:57 PM
wow, with all the people that think like this its no wonder our economy is in the toilette.Do you (Longwalker) realize how much revenue things like atv's generate?Plates,tabs,gas,accesories,clothing,helmits,Discover pass,The list is long.I wouldn't be in favor of this idea at all. I do wish there was a way to eliminate the jackwagons in their dirt bikes and snow machines running the deer all over the mountain. Side note. Pretty sure the jackwagon on the dirt bike chasing the deer up and down the hill in the entiat a couple weeks ago got busted. That's good news.
I would be all for outlawing atv's of any kind on Any and all public land not designated specifay an orv park but that has nothing to do with sheds. I just see atv's as a plauge and would love to see them go
Post by: bearpaw on February 14, 2015, 06:49:26 PM
wow, with all the people that think like this its no wonder our economy is in the toilette.Do you (Longwalker) realize how much revenue things like atv's generate?Plates,tabs,gas,accesories,clothing,helmits,Discover pass,The list is long.I wouldn't be in favor of this idea at all. I do wish there was a way to eliminate the jackwagons in their dirt bikes and snow machines running the deer all over the mountain. Side note. Pretty sure the jackwagon on the dirt bike chasing the deer up and down the hill in the entiat a couple weeks ago got busted. That's good news.
I would be all for outlawing atv's of any kind on Any and all public land not designated specifay an orv park but that has nothing to do with sheds. I just see atv's as a plauge and would love to see them go
I would also ask: Do you know how much fun atv's can be for the whole family?
Sure, I agree they shouldn't be used off-road all over the mountains but what is wrong with riding them any place you would take any other vehicle or on designated trails?
Post by: raydog on February 14, 2015, 07:11:48 PM
wow, with all the people that think like this its no wonder our economy is in the toilette.Do you (Longwalker) realize how much revenue things like atv's generate?Plates,tabs,gas,accesories,clothing,helmits,Discover pass,The list is long.I wouldn't be in favor of this idea at all. I do wish there was a way to eliminate the jackwagons in their dirt bikes and snow machines running the deer all over the mountain. Side note. Pretty sure the jackwagon on the dirt bike chasing the deer up and down the hill in the entiat a couple weeks ago got busted. That's good news.
I would be all for outlawing atv's of any kind on Any and all public land not designated specifay an orv park but that has nothing to do with sheds. I just see atv's as a plauge and would love to see them go
I would also ask: Do you know how much fun atv's can be for the whole family?
Sure, I agree they shouldn't be used off-road all over the mountains but what is wrong with riding them any place you would take any other vehicle or on designated trails?
Atvs are great and lots of fun. But when the ride up around me when I'm hunting in a non motorized area it ticks me off :bash: Happens to me every year out here on GD land. I almost clubbed him with a Browning but he turned around haha
Post by: stevemiller on February 14, 2015, 07:28:06 PM
Post by: hunterofelk on February 15, 2015, 07:28:20 AM
Post by: Skillet on February 15, 2015, 07:39:23 AM
Post by: AntlerHound on February 15, 2015, 08:41:45 AM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on February 15, 2015, 10:04:59 AM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 15, 2015, 10:25:43 AM
At very least we should redistribute some of the antler wealth from those dang antler hoarders. 30% of their best antlers per year to the antler poor would only be fair since it's everyone's resource!
Post by: raydog on February 15, 2015, 10:52:38 AM
I think we should outlaw anyone who shed hunts and doesn't sell the antler... It's just so selfish to find those antlers and keep them all to yourselves when you could sell them and help stimulate the economy. People need jobs! :bash:
At very least we should redistribute some of the antler wealth from those dang antler hoarders. 30% of their best antlers per year to the antler poor would only be fair since it's everyone's resource!
Antler Communism :chuckle:
Post by: BLUEBULLS on February 15, 2015, 10:53:20 AM
I think we should outlaw anyone who shed hunts and doesn't sell the antler... It's just so selfish to find those antlers and keep them all to yourselves when you could sell them and help stimulate the economy. People need jobs! :bash:
At very least we should redistribute some of the antler wealth from those dang antler hoarders. 30% of their best antlers per year to the antler poor would only be fair since it's everyone's resource!
Deal! As long as I get a portion of those whitetail you kill. Remember, they're everyone's resource :chuckle: I'm whitetail mount poor.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 15, 2015, 11:10:26 AM
Post by: pd on February 15, 2015, 11:10:35 AM
I think this is a foolish idea, and wish it were withdrawn from this forum. Remember that any ban at the state level would not be enforceable on the treaty tribes. The end result would simply be this: Your proposal would remove the ability of non-tribal citizens to engage in commerce, and secure a monopoly for tribal members for this business.
Look at the lucrative trade in fireworks that the state has ensured for the tribes, because of the bans on fireworks that do not fit the "safe & sane" requirements.
Please note that this is not a tribal bashing comment (not even in the slightest). I fully support any citizen's (or legal resident's) rights to engage in commerce. The sale of antlers (whether from a game farm, or from a shed found on public or private property) is completely harmless. I wish people would keep their jealously to themselves, and stop suggesting criminalization of perfectly acceptable behavior.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 15, 2015, 11:47:06 AM
I haven't read this entire thread, so forgive any duplication.
I think this is a foolish idea, and wish it were withdrawn from this forum. Remember that any ban at the state level would not be enforceable on the treaty tribes. The end result would simply be this: Your proposal would remove the ability of non-tribal citizens to engage in commerce, and secure a monopoly for tribal members for this business.
Look at the lucrative trade in fireworks that the state has ensured for the tribes, because of the bans on fireworks that do not fit the "safe & sane" requirements.
Please note that this is not a tribal bashing comment (not even in the slightest). I fully support any citizen's (or legal resident's) rights to engage in commerce. The sale of antlers (whether from a game farm, or from a shed found on public or private property) is completely harmless. I wish people would keep their jealously to themselves, and stop suggesting criminalization of perfectly acceptable behavior.
:yeah:
Same thing will happen with bait.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 15, 2015, 11:49:34 AM
I think we should outlaw anyone who shed hunts and doesn't sell the antler... It's just so selfish to find those antlers and keep them all to yourselves when you could sell them and help stimulate the economy. People need jobs! :bash:
At very least we should redistribute some of the antler wealth from those dang antler hoarders. 30% of their best antlers per year to the antler poor would only be fair since it's everyone's resource!
Deal! As long as I get a portion of those whitetail you kill. Remember, they're everyone's resource :chuckle: I'm whitetail mount poor.
:chuckle: Just go to the public lands in Ferry, Stevens, Spokane, and/or Pend Orielle county to collect your distribution.
Post by: Coastal_native on February 15, 2015, 11:50:04 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2015, 07:23:17 AM
Otherwise, leave it alone. It's like mushroom picking - there should be no government interference with foraging for something that isn't endangered and re-supplies itself even if picked completely bare. Because it's a commercial shouldn't enter into it. Why not allow citizens to make money on something which costs nothing to grow or manage?
Post by: danderson on February 16, 2015, 07:43:32 AM
Post by: TommyH on February 16, 2015, 09:43:49 AM
These types of threads play right into the anti hunting community's agenda, Please remove.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2015, 09:53:34 AM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 16, 2015, 10:54:20 AM
We should apparently never have contentious discussions about anything hunting related. :chuckle:
:chuckle: There is truth in what he is saying though ... Everytime one of us shows a desire to "ban" something our fellow hunters do the anti-hunters are more than glad to oblige.... we are doing their job for them.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2015, 11:14:13 AM
Post by: b0bbyg on February 16, 2015, 11:29:37 AM
My :twocents:; dumb idea. Regulations exist currently for sensitive wintering areas and trespassing. Nothing else is needed unless there are additional wintering areas that should be regulated. Illegal shed hunting in those areas should carry a heavy fine.I agree the initial idea is dumb.
Otherwise, leave it alone. It's like mushroom picking - there should be no government interference with foraging for something that isn't endangered and re-supplies itself even if picked completely bare. Because it's a commercial shouldn't enter into it. Why not allow citizens to make money on something which costs nothing to grow or manage?
Went Shed hunting for the first time ever this last Saturday ( probably too late in the season but the sun was out and I had no better plans than to hike )
It was fun but I found nothing. But of course there was the one group that took their ATV's around a closed gate that was marked no motorized vehicles. This was in a marked winter habitat area. There were also guys out there shooting for fun.
I have no issue with the others using the area, but why is it every ATV rider I see is always breaking some rule. I know there are good legal uses and riders, but why are they never in my areas :(
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2015, 11:45:58 AM
My :twocents:; dumb idea. Regulations exist currently for sensitive wintering areas and trespassing. Nothing else is needed unless there are additional wintering areas that should be regulated. Illegal shed hunting in those areas should carry a heavy fine.I agree the initial idea is dumb.
Otherwise, leave it alone. It's like mushroom picking - there should be no government interference with foraging for something that isn't endangered and re-supplies itself even if picked completely bare. Because it's a commercial shouldn't enter into it. Why not allow citizens to make money on something which costs nothing to grow or manage?
Went Shed hunting for the first time ever this last Saturday ( probably too late in the season but the sun was out and I had no better plans than to hike )
It was fun but I found nothing. But of course there was the one group that took their ATV's around a closed gate that was marked no motorized vehicles. This was in a marked winter habitat area. There were also guys out there shooting for fun.
I have no issue with the others using the area, but why is it every ATV rider I see is always breaking some rule. I know there are good legal uses and riders, but why are they never in my areas :(
Did you report them? Not every ATV rider breaks the law. But the ones who do should pay for it.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 16, 2015, 12:49:28 PM
I think it's good to have these discussions. There are obviously people who agree and disagree in this thread. Maybe some will be swayed to the other side of the discussion by thoughtful dialogue. Screw the anti-hunters. It's one thing to present hunting in a way that non-hunters can relate to. It's another altogether to stop having important discussions based on whether some patchouli-smelling hippie might use to fight hunting down the road. As a matter of fact, I think that these discussion help us with those of the non-hunting crowd who get to see the reasonable-ness of ethical hunters/sportsmen v. the fanaticism of the antis.
I know what you mean. Unfortunately, I think there are a lot more anti's reading this forum than there are non-hunters.
Post by: singleshot12 on February 16, 2015, 01:44:28 PM
My thinking or question is - what has created all these anti-hunters and what can we as the minority do to change their mind set? Some of the anti-hunter types I have run across claim to not have a problem with hunting if *our sport" weren't a trophy driven sport. I think we need to work harder on creating a better image for ourselves in todays world if we want future generations to be able to hunt. We as a whole need to change our mind set about why we hunt in order to change their mind set :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2015, 01:52:07 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 16, 2015, 01:59:56 PM
Anti-hunters can't be swayed, only non-hunters can - two different groups. I don't think anyone's going to look at shed hunting and associate it with regular hunting. It's more like foraging. In reality, the more responsible shed hunters are likely going to be hunters who care about the game in the first place. Regardless, looking to outlaw the foraging of antlers to look good to someone else is mind-blowingly mentally defective thinking. You'll never convince an anti-hunter to change their mind by conceding your rights to them. They're just like anti-gunners. They won't ever change. Their goal is the end game. Ending it.
You are correct that in 99.9% of all cases an anti-hunter can't be swayed. I take that mindset anytime I debate someone (even on here) that has an equally strong but opposing opinion to my own. My goal in debating them isn't to change their mind but rather present the best argument I can so that anyone who may be on the fence can make an informed decision based off the opposing facts and positions presented.. or use it as a catalyst for their own research prior to making a decision (which is what I prefer they do).
Post by: singleshot12 on February 16, 2015, 02:13:08 PM
Post by: Coastal_native on February 16, 2015, 02:22:57 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2015, 02:26:04 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on February 16, 2015, 02:29:00 PM
Outlawing the sale of shed antlers altogether is probably a bit too extreme, but I don't see why anyone would take such a hard stance against a general discussion about preventing commercial exploitation of shed antlers on public lands. It's not a big ask as a tax payer and someone who enjoys collecting antlers as a recreational past time. Anti hunters probably don't give a hoot about this little disagreement.
This sounds like a few motivated guys to me... certainly not a large scale commercial operation. I'm not quite sure what regulation would be needed. It may be a little discouraging but I can assure the OP there is plenty of ground left uncovered.
Post by: AntlerHound on February 16, 2015, 04:16:40 PM
Remember that any ban at the state level would not be enforceable on the treaty tribes. The end result would simply be this: Your proposal would remove the ability of non-tribal citizens to engage in commerce, and secure a monopoly for tribal members for this business.
Look at the lucrative trade in fireworks that the state has ensured for the tribes, because of the bans on fireworks that do not fit the "safe & sane" requirements.....
Pd that statement right there has swayed my opinion...Didn't think of this repercussion at all... I am not for monopolized business in any way...
Post by: AntlerHound on February 16, 2015, 04:29:18 PM
Post by: hunterofelk on February 16, 2015, 05:08:29 PM
Post by: Skillet on February 16, 2015, 05:46:25 PM
There are always buyers looking for sheds on CL, too. Any online quoted buying price is going to be really low, since they're just trying to get to ticked off wives who want their garage parking back to sell them the whole shooting match while hubby is out fishing. :chuckle:
FWIW, I think you're right and highly doubt the MT buyer is going to pay $14/# for regular sheds. I've heard of some prices that high, but that was only for big matched fresh brown sets. I did have one guy offer to sell me a 360+ set, but Im guessing it would have been north of $25/#. Those are really for the taxidermy market, if a guy could ever part with them.
Post by: AntlerHound on February 16, 2015, 06:10:05 PM
This is a reply to antlerhound and skillet. I was getting $4.50 per pound in 1987 and the last time I saw a quote from an online buyer was that price. If the ennis buyer is Antlers Unlimited, they don't list any prices. Probably because the rates change day to day. I can only guess fourteen dollars a pound is for the record book or near record book sets. Doing online searches for buyers in Washington yields nothing.
Yes I am talking about Antlers Unlimited. Largest antler distributor in the world. I made a trip to Yellowstone last August... Passed through Ennis and talked to the owner personally. Talk about A LOT OF ANTLERS.. They were loading a big cargo trailer with elk bone when we pulled up so he was busy but I asked prices and 14 dollars a pound for fresh was what he had said... That is the best price I have ever heard..... In Augusta MT last May for the game range opener there was an antler buyer waiting to pay $12.50 a pound for fresh brown..... better than WA prices from what I know
Post by: hunterofelk on February 17, 2015, 12:12:50 PM
Post by: Chesapeake on February 17, 2015, 09:37:19 PM
I don't think a ban would be good, but some revenue to support enforcement might be good. Not that I'd expect the politicians to use the money wisely......
I'm for enforcing laws we currently have and finding funding for that enforcement from those participating in the activity needing oversight or at least from the same user group.
Maybe create permits and additional taxes for the "buyers" and or "distributors".
Post by: buglebrush on February 26, 2015, 02:18:44 PM
I never sell any of my sheds either, and I do feel your pain. However, I strongly oppose more laws limiting our freedom and initiative. As kids my brother and I spent all summer/weekends scouring the woods for a little income. We sold huckleberries, Oregon Grapes, Mushrooms, and made walking sticks, crafts from birch bark etc... I now run a little retail store, and we sell huckleberries for local pickers as well as huckleberry jams, and all kinds of other local crafts. Some of my buddies sell their sheds. That isn't why they hunt for them, but their wives aren't as tolerant of their antler piles as mine is. We just love to get out in the woods, and hike around. ( we don't use ATV's) Being able to sell what they find is the excuse they need for spending their saturday's hiking instead of raking the yard.
Really the bottom line is that we have way too many laws already. We were poor growing up, and knocked about in the mountains all the time partly because we couldn't afford any other type of recreation. The amounts of permits, tags, use fees, etc... one has to acquire nowadays is disgusting! Not to mention simply buying gas for your rig makes a long saturday in the mountains far from free. There are also plenty of laws already restricting where ATV's can go. If people were actually following the laws we already have it wouldn't be an issue. Like I said I do not use an ATV, but burn a ton of boot leather. However, when i am old and feeble I don't want to be kept out of the backcountry I love so much because we all greedily only thought about our younger selves, and over-reacted to a problem that only exists because people aren't obeying laws already in place.
If some family wants to sell some antlers, mushrooms, huckleberries, etc... to help pay for some family time in the mountains I am all for it. Is that really what you want to outlaw?
Post by: elkh8me on March 04, 2015, 10:14:31 AM
I personally don't sell my antlers... But there is a lot of competition out there these days.. It might put an end to some of it.. Wouldn't be such a sought after product then. I personally would be all for it... What do you all think?Great idea! Selling drugs is illegal too.
Post by: bearpaw on March 05, 2015, 02:23:30 AM
I think that all commercial exploitation of public lands should be permitted. Perhaps it already is? I always see the sign stating "permit required for the removal of forest products".
I don't think a ban would be good, but some revenue to support enforcement might be good. Not that I'd expect the politicians to use the money wisely......
I'm for enforcing laws we currently have and finding funding for that enforcement from those participating in the activity needing oversight or at least from the same user group.
Maybe create permits and additional taxes for the "buyers" and or "distributors".
FYI - For many years commercial users of federal lands have been required to be permitted! :twocents: