Post by: sled on February 15, 2015, 03:47:40 PM
Anyone fished surf perch lately? And I belive I read the crabbing is open in Westport marina? Anyone do any good lately for that?
How would be the jetty for a 6 year old to walk out on for fishing. She's pretty tough.
What kind of fish should we target to get her some action?
Thanks in advance for the help!
Post by: dreamunelk on February 15, 2015, 04:09:10 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on February 15, 2015, 04:27:21 PM
Post by: sled on February 15, 2015, 06:31:33 PM
Flag down one of the WDFW survey guys. If you don't see them stay a little high on the beach and once you find a big one dig along that line.. Interesting.
Post by: dreamunelk on February 15, 2015, 06:57:10 PM
Flag down one of the WDFW survey guys. If you don't see them stay a little high on the beach and once you find a big one dig along that line.. Interesting.
I guess that is a little lacking in the making sense department. :chuckle:
If you see any of the survey guys. Talk to them. They are the ones that do the test digs. I have good luck doing this. I do have to admit if there is a baby clam in the area I will find it.
Clams don't move once they enter the sand other than to go up and down. So where the tide drops them is it. If you get a couple of big clams along a line there are going to be more.
Post by: sled on February 15, 2015, 06:59:41 PM
. Makes sense to me. Thanks.Flag down one of the WDFW survey guys. If you don't see them stay a little high on the beach and once you find a big one dig along that line.. Interesting.
I guess that is a little lacking in the making sense department. :chuckle:
If you see any of the survey guys. Talk to them. They are the ones that do the test digs. I have good luck doing this. I do have to admit if there is a baby clam in the area I will find it.
Clams don't move once they enter the sand other than to go up and down. So where the tide drops them is it. If you get a couple of big clams along a line there are going to be more.
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Post by: Bmcox86 on February 16, 2015, 07:44:17 AM
Quick question, people kept telling me I should pick my kids limit? Is that even legal? She can't even walk yet and she rides in my pack the whole time were digging? Thought it was werid people were saying that
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Post by: HntnFsh on February 16, 2015, 08:25:52 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on February 16, 2015, 09:00:11 AM
Sure way to find bigger clams is to get down near the surf. If the clams are "necking" (showing the tip of the neck at the surface) you can tell the bigger ones from the smaller.
Grayland was nuts yesterday. Digging was good. Haven't seen a crowd quite like that in a while. Traffic was horrible. Guess there was an accident near Elk River bridge :dunno: Took us like an hour and 1/2 to go the last 8 miles.
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on February 16, 2015, 01:23:48 PM
Here's the traffic delay
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Post by: sled on February 16, 2015, 01:41:08 PM
Digging was great yesterday....on my way out again nowthat yesterday, or today again?
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Post by: sled on February 16, 2015, 01:43:23 PM
. Also expect pics when your done :tup:Digging was great yesterday....on my way out again nowthat yesterday, or today again?
Here's the traffic delay
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Post by: deerhunter_98520 on February 16, 2015, 03:19:32 PM
Post by: Bmcox86 on February 16, 2015, 05:58:25 PM
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Post by: sled on February 16, 2015, 06:30:03 PM
Post by: Roosevelt on February 16, 2015, 06:41:31 PM
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Post by: sled on February 16, 2015, 08:07:27 PM
I like digging copalis better but it was pretty easy digging the hour before low tide...they were neckin right at the waterline and in the water....i found a spit both days and dug my limit in a 20ft circle pretty easily....would have been done in about 20 min if I wasn't so picky digging only bigger holes. I plan on only digging bigger holes. It blows me away how many clams are dug in a season, and you show up for the next tide and they are everywhere
Post by: sled on February 16, 2015, 08:08:50 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on February 16, 2015, 08:13:23 PM
Post by: Odell on February 17, 2015, 09:29:44 AM
Anyhow, we got there right at low tide. Nobody had limits and I dug from 4 until dark and went home with 8, all very small. Most of our group only had a couple clams each.
This was my first time at Twin Harbors. Was it just the area of beach? Should we go further south next time?
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on February 17, 2015, 09:47:54 AM
Post by: Revwrangler on February 17, 2015, 09:48:08 AM
Post by: Odell on February 17, 2015, 12:02:53 PM
I was in grayland also and didn't get any small ones. The wife and I got our limits.
Quick question, people kept telling me I should pick my kids limit? Is that even legal? She can't even walk yet and she rides in my pack the whole time were digging? Thought it was werid people were saying that
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The kids can get limits and they don't need licenses if under 15. But they must be "active participants" and probably need to be at least 4 years old. Here is what I got from the state when I asked.
Thank you for your email correspondence to the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) Fish Program.
Your best source for information on licenses, daily limits, season, restrictions, etc. would be the 2014/2015 Fish Washington Sport Fishing Rules regulation pamphlet. This pamphlet is full of a lot of useful information, such as license fees for both resident and non-resident on page 6. This publication is formatted with the regulations for the Puget Sound and Straits Rivers, followed by Coastal Rivers, then Westside Rivers, Westside Lakes, Eastside Rivers, Eastside Lakes, Marine Area Rules and finally Shellfish/Seaweed Rules. There is also a list of the 6 Regional offices that are located throughout the state, with addresses and phone numbers included, on page 1.
David, please remember two very important words here: “Active Participation”. There is no minimum age for fishing and/or harvesting shellfish in Washington State and, as per the License Information on page 6 of the pamphlet, under Frequently Asked Questions, the first question is: “Who needs a fishing license? Everyone age 15 and up. You do not need a license if you are fishing for common carp, crawfish, bullfrogs, smelt, or to collect relic shells.”
This means that everyone 15 years of age and older must have a license, regardless of whether they are fishing from a boat, a bank, or from a public dock or public pier, or harvesting shellfish. Youths 14 years of age and younger do not need a license to fish or harvest shellfish in Washington State, but they must follow the same rules in regards to areas and seasons as everyone else. This is as listed on page 7 of the regulation pamphlet under License Information.
Children 14 years of age and under may not need a license, but they must actively participate and be able to demonstrate the ability to handle the gear by themselves. They must follow all the rules and restrictions for that particular species and/or body of water and are allowed the same daily limit as an adult. WDFW strongly supports & promotes youth fishing in this state. Adults may assist and are not required to have a license if they will not be fishing or harvesting themselves, but children must be present and take part in the entire process.
When using a shovel or a clam gun, it is understood that young children may not be able to lift it full of sand, so having the child sift through that sand (or the hole), pick the clams up and put them in their own bucket would be fine. Please remember that a separate container is required for all harvesters.
Another thing to remember is that as per the Statewide General Rules, under Harvest and Possession Rules - You May Not, page 12 of the regulation pamphlet states the following: “You May Not: Harvest any part of another person’s daily limit, except for persons who possess a Designated Harvester Card unless otherwise specified.”
ALL anglers - regardless of age - are required to have a catch-record-card (CRC) when fishing for Salmon, Steelhead, Sturgeon, Halibut, and/or Puget Sound Dungeness Crab. These CRC’s are free to juvenile anglers (14 years of age & under).
With all that having been said, please understand that our WDFW Enforcement Police generally look at children 4 years of age and up as having the attention span & ability to actively participate. This is not to say that children younger than 4 cannot, but you would probably have a very difficult time convincing any officer that a child younger than 4 years of age would have the attention span, the understanding & the know-how to actively participate.
If you do not have a copy of the current 2014/2015 regulation pamphlet, you can respond with your surface mailing address and we would be happy to send one to you, or with your internet capability, you may view/download the WDFW online pamphlet at the following web address: http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulations/. (http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulations/.)
Please make sure you check for emergency rule changes before you harvest as follows:
Fishing Rule Change Hotline at (360) 902-2500 Shellfish Rule Change Hotline at 1-866-880-5431 Or, try our searchable emergency rule link off our website at: https://fortress.wa.gov/dfw/erules/efishrules/index.jsp (https://fortress.wa.gov/dfw/erules/efishrules/index.jsp)
Additionally, for shellfish, make sure to call the Dept. of Health Marine Toxins PSP Hotline at 1-800-562-5632.
If you have further questions, please email again or call (360) 902-2700. Our Customer Service hours are 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday.
We hope this information helps.
Sincerely,
Fish Program
Post by: chester on February 17, 2015, 12:27:28 PM
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Post by: buckhorn2 on February 17, 2015, 12:44:27 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 17, 2015, 12:50:08 PM
But, if enforcement is going to make a point of enforcing 4 as a minimum age to be able to dig, then there should be a handicapped license for kids under 4 and their parents or guardian should be able to dig for them. Why should just older people who can't dig for themselves be allowed help with their limit? Kids under 4 eat too.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 17, 2015, 12:52:06 PM
. Also expect pics when your done :tup:Digging was great yesterday....on my way out again nowthat yesterday, or today again?
Here's the traffic delay
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Sled, that was the second wreck. The first one caused the longest delay as it happened when the crowd was still heading for the beach. The second one happened when most people were already at the beach.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 17, 2015, 01:15:53 PM
I like digging copalis better but it was pretty easy digging the hour before low tide...they were neckin right at the waterline and in the water....i found a spit both days and dug my limit in a 20ft circle pretty easily....would have been done in about 20 min if I wasn't so picky digging only bigger holes. I plan on only digging bigger holes. It blows me away how many clams are dug in a season, and you show up for the next tide and they are everywhere
Not every clam comes up on every tide to feed. There are a lot more clams down in the sand than you realize. I was reading a government study recently that after a good set (when the young clams come out of the water column and enter the sand) that 1500 juvenile clams per square ft of beach is not uncommon. As they grow, they cannot all occupy the same square ft. I'm sure many die, but They also spread out at different depths. and while the common theory is that clams don't move laterally, I am convinced they can to some degree. Maybe it's as simple as shifting sands in the bed or maybe they dig at an angle and pop up in a slightly different location. But I don't believe they are stationary in whatever square foot the enter the sand at for the rest of their lives.
Another side note, if you pay attention, you will notice that different age classes come to the surface at different times. This is sort of like fish that school together in age classes. Oft times when digging, I'll be getting really nice clams, then they'll disappear for a while and smaller clams will appear. Then later in the tide, the large clams will appear again.
Here's a good clam study.
http://www.nwrc.usgs.gov/wdb/pub/species_profiles/82_11-089.pdf (http://www.nwrc.usgs.gov/wdb/pub/species_profiles/82_11-089.pdf)
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Post by: Odell on February 17, 2015, 06:18:50 PM
You can't tell me that a two or 3 year old can't sift through the sand and pick out a clam and put it in their container. I was digging my own limits by age 5 and that was when a limit was substantially larger than 15 clams. To me, going to the beach was a grand adventure and I wanted to be part of it. I participated any way I could, until I figured out how to get my own clams.
But, if enforcement is going to make a point of enforcing 4 as a minimum age to be able to dig, then there should be a handicapped license for kids under 4 and their parents or guardian should be able to dig for them. Why should just older people who can't dig for themselves be allowed help with their limit? Kids under 4 eat too.
I think if you could get your kid to demonstrate their abilities there would be no problem. They have to have some sort of minimum or you could just dig a limit free for your infant in your ergo.
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Post by: Sportfury on February 17, 2015, 07:30:13 PM
I like digging copalis better but it was pretty easy digging the hour before low tide...they were neckin right at the waterline and in the water....i found a spit both days and dug my limit in a 20ft circle pretty easily....would have been done in about 20 min if I wasn't so picky digging only bigger holes. I plan on only digging bigger holes. It blows me away how many clams are dug in a season, and you show up for the next tide and they are everywhere
Not every clam comes up on every tide to feed. There are a lot more clams down in the sand than you realize. I was reading a government study recently that after a good set (when the young clams come out of the water column and enter the sand) that 1500 juvenile clams per square ft of beach is not uncommon. As they grow, they cannot all occupy the same square ft. I'm sure many die, but They also spread out at different depths. and while the common theory is that clams don't move laterally, I am convinced they can to some degree. Maybe it's as simple as shifting sands in the bed or maybe they dig at an angle and pop up in a slightly different location. But I don't believe they are stationary in whatever square foot the enter the sand at for the rest of their lives.
Another side note, if you pay attention, you will notice that different age classes come to the surface at different times. This is sort of like fish that school together in age classes. Oft times when digging, I'll be getting really nice clams, then they'll disappear for a while and smaller clams will appear. Then later in the tide, the large clams will appear again.
Here's a good clam study.
http://www.nwrc.usgs.gov/wdb/pub/species_profiles/82_11-089.pdf (http://www.nwrc.usgs.gov/wdb/pub/species_profiles/82_11-089.pdf)
Interesting thoughts on depth. Throughout my digs I have found clams at varying depths in the sand. Last weekend at Grayland they were pretty deep and we had the guns with only five or six inches sticking out and the clams would be in the in the last six inches or so of sand when dumped. One time at Ocean City I used a shovel as the clams were only two quick scoops and grab em. Pacific beach they seem to be around twelve inches down.
I think you are spot on the age class. I have hit pockets of big ones and that was all you got (like your 20ft circle). Other times it is hit or miss, small one here, medium one there, etc. One thing I do is go straight to the water and dig down there. Some people dig up on the beach as they are coming out and I think it disrupts the pattern of what you could potentially get.
Post by: sled on February 20, 2015, 09:30:14 AM
Anyone else out last night?
Post by: bobcat on February 20, 2015, 09:41:11 AM
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Post by: buckhorn2 on February 20, 2015, 01:59:02 PM
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Post by: deerhunter_98520 on February 20, 2015, 03:56:46 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on February 21, 2015, 08:59:01 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 21, 2015, 11:06:18 AM
I think if you could get your kid to demonstrate their abilities there would be no problem. They have to have some sort of minimum or you could just dig a limit free for your infant in your ergo.
What's wrong with getting clams for someone who can't dig? That's the whole logic behind the handicapped license. Every rule can be abused. There are probably handicapped people who don't eat clams who let people dig an extra limit on their license. I know people who don't eat clams, who like to dig, but then they give their clams to someone else.
As it stands now, everyone who can dig deserves clams, and even handicapped people who can't dig. But if you are under 4 and cant help with digging, you don't deserve clams? So we have an anti discrimination law that discriminates........ as usual.
Post by: Odell on February 21, 2015, 11:25:33 AM
I think if you could get your kid to demonstrate their abilities there would be no problem. They have to have some sort of minimum or you could just dig a limit free for your infant in your ergo.
What's wrong with getting clams for someone who can't dig? That's the whole logic behind the handicapped license. Every rule can be abused. There are probably handicapped people who don't eat clams who let people dig an extra limit on their license. I know people who don't eat clams, who like to dig, but then they give their clams to someone else.
As it stands now, everyone who can dig deserves clams, and even handicapped people who can't dig. But if you are under 4 and cant help with digging, you don't deserve clams? So we have an anti discrimination law that discriminates........ as usual.
It seems pretty simple to me. It's not about "deserving". Anyone who is legally required to have a license and has purchased one earns the privilege to dig. If you aren't legally required to have a license but have the ability, you also are given the privilege to dig.
If you don't have the ability to dig because of a handicap there is a way to get someone to dig for you but you must do it according to the legal requirements.
I'm sure if a baby could dig clams it would be allowed, there is no hard and fast age minimum just a rule of thumb to help enforce.
As a general rule, No one is allowed to catch someone else's limit for them. Pretty simple standard for hunting and fishing and for good cause.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 21, 2015, 12:35:45 PM
As a general rule, No one is allowed to catch someone else's limit for them. Pretty simple standard for hunting and fishing and for good cause.
There is a general rule which allows you to catch someone else's limit. It's called a handicapped license.
Post by: Odell on February 21, 2015, 12:41:35 PM
Actually that is a specific exception to the general rule. But I'm not sure what the bigger point is you are trying to make, is it that we should be able to dig limits for anyone? Should they participate at all? Would they even need to be present?As a general rule, No one is allowed to catch someone else's limit for them. Pretty simple standard for hunting and fishing and for good cause.
There is a general rule which allows you to catch someone else's limit. It's called a handicapped license.
Post by: Bullkllr on February 21, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
A kid could be pretty darn young and "participate" in digging clams. Same with fishing. They can even leave the rod in the holder to reel in a fish. No license is required. I think that is a pretty liberal rule. After raising 3 kids, I can say when they are old enough to participate they should. Before that it's just an extra limit. I see no problem with the rule (though it is open to abuse..but what isn't?)Actually that is a specific exception to the general rule. But I'm not sure what the bigger point is you are trying to make, is it that we should be able to dig limits for anyone? Should they participate at all? Would they even need to be present?As a general rule, No one is allowed to catch someone else's limit for them. Pretty simple standard for hunting and fishing and for good cause.
There is a general rule which allows you to catch someone else's limit. It's called a handicapped license.
The handicap exception is intended to allow those who are physically unable to at least have a presence in the event and have some kind of experience in fish/game harvest. It's probably in compliance with federal law.
Age itself I don't think qualifies for a handicap. I think most of the handicap hunters/fishers are older people. You could be 90 and not handicapped and would be legally required to dig your own limit.
Interesting question: Could a pre-license age kid qualify as handicapped and have a designated harvester?
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 21, 2015, 01:46:17 PM
Actually that is a specific exception to the general rule. But I'm not sure what the bigger point is you are trying to make, is it that we should be able to dig limits for anyone? Should they participate at all? Would they even need to be present?As a general rule, No one is allowed to catch someone else's limit for them. Pretty simple standard for hunting and fishing and for good cause.
There is a general rule which allows you to catch someone else's limit. It's called a handicapped license.
My point is that, to be consistent, the law should allow others to dig for everyone who isn't capable of digging, not just some. And yes they would need to be present, just like handicapped licenses work now. By the way, I have no dog in this fight. My kids are grown. I just don't think the law is equal as it is now enforced. Either anyone should be allowed no matter their ability, or there should be no exceptions if you aren't able to dig.
Another side point would be, what about handicapped people who are bed ridden and can't come to the beach? Are they too handicapped to be allowed a limit of clams? Do we have a certain level of handicappedness that makes you more deserving of getting a limit of clams?
Post by: Odell on February 21, 2015, 01:47:24 PM
A kid could be pretty darn young and "participate" in digging clams. Same with fishing. They can even leave the rod in the holder to reel in a fish. No license is required. I think that is a pretty liberal rule. After raising 3 kids, I can say when they are old enough to participate they should. Before that it's just an extra limit. I see no problem with the rule (though it is open to abuse..but what isn't?)Actually that is a specific exception to the general rule. But I'm not sure what the bigger point is you are trying to make, is it that we should be able to dig limits for anyone? Should they participate at all? Would they even need to be present?As a general rule, No one is allowed to catch someone else's limit for them. Pretty simple standard for hunting and fishing and for good cause.
There is a general rule which allows you to catch someone else's limit. It's called a handicapped license.
The handicap exception is intended to allow those who are physically unable to at least have a presence in the event and have some kind of experience in fish/game harvest. It's probably in compliance with federal law.
Age itself I don't think qualifies for a handicap. I think most of the handicap hunters/fishers are older people. You could be 90 and not handicapped and would be legally required to dig your own limit.
Interesting question: Could a pre-license age kid qualify as handicapped and have a designated harvester?
Agreed. But if you get pulled over in a boat with 2 extra Kings and tell the warden your one year old caught them I suspect you will go home with a ticket and rightfully so.
Post by: gasman on February 22, 2015, 09:05:24 AM
I live in grayland about a half mile from the beach we g0 about a mile north right off 2 houses with blue top roofs we got 5 limits in about 15 minutes there were lots of holes I think a person could still get them before dark tonight going to try it any way.
Why you gotta give me secret spot :bdid: we got 6 limits in less then an hour there last weekeend. Had a bunch a friest timers with me, including Ribka who came over with one of his girlfriends from the Yakima area. They had a blast and were talking about comming back over for another dig :tup:
Post by: buckhorn2 on February 22, 2015, 09:16:42 AM
Post by: gasman on February 22, 2015, 02:04:54 PM
Darn now you know all the fishing spots now you got the clam spots . Hope we have another great salmon season Pete the predictions are sure looking good. My friend Jesse got me a electric reel for halibut fishing 700 feet here we come.
Thats awesome for Jesse to do that for you. He is definatly a nice guy :tup:
But I got to hook up with you when Lings open so you can show me the secret spot and how to fish them too :fishin:
Post by: buckhorn2 on February 22, 2015, 03:05:02 PM
Post by: gasman on February 22, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Pete I have a map That has all the rock piles and ling and bass and halibut spots from Grenville to the willipa with gps readings. You had better have something expensive to trade. This is the real deal.
Hmmm, let get that map and I decide what its worth :boxin:
Post by: Odell on March 02, 2015, 04:18:01 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on March 03, 2015, 11:37:01 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 03, 2015, 11:18:05 PM