Post by: kramer on February 20, 2015, 11:32:57 AM
Post by: LeviD1 on February 20, 2015, 11:37:16 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 20, 2015, 11:38:32 AM
Someone will get to hunt big mule deer on their winter range.
Post by: jackelope on February 20, 2015, 11:43:06 AM
:tup:
Post by: BetoBow on February 20, 2015, 12:06:49 PM
Post by: bhawley76 on February 20, 2015, 12:17:28 PM
Is it for a certain trophy deer or something? Cause that just seems insane. Let them know for $5000 I will let them come shoot a deer off my property :tup:
Post by: jackelope on February 20, 2015, 12:20:02 PM
:tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: idaho guy on February 20, 2015, 12:22:05 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 20, 2015, 12:22:36 PM
Big money put towards conservation in our state.
:tup: :tup: :tup:
+1
Post by: jackelope on February 20, 2015, 12:25:52 PM
Thats crazy I dont know that tag or a lot of the areas in eastern wa but can it actually be that good? I noticed some famous units in utah have sold for similiar prices. Would the Washington tag be comparable to some of the other more well known trophy states? I am not in the market for a tag that costs more than about 600 dollars just curious!
Famous units in Utah will sell for hundreds of thousands. Not tens of thousands.
Post by: jackelope on February 20, 2015, 12:30:03 PM
These are the active and sold auctions so far...
http://www.onlinehuntingauctions.com/2015-Western-Hunting-Conservation-Expo_a22774?m=all (http://www.onlinehuntingauctions.com/2015-Western-Hunting-Conservation-Expo_a22774?m=all)
All the listings are here.
http://www.onlinehuntingauctions.com/2015-Western-Hunting-Conservation-Expo_as35696 (http://www.onlinehuntingauctions.com/2015-Western-Hunting-Conservation-Expo_as35696)
I suspect you'll see the real money start flying around tonight or tomorrow night.
Post by: kramer on February 20, 2015, 12:35:25 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 20, 2015, 12:38:31 PM
It's unreal prices are crazy this year. The deer tag you can hunt any gmu that is open or has a special draw. The only catch is you have to use the weapon it's open for. Last year the tag sold for 1800.
$18,000.00 is what it sold for. And the weapon choice is open to whatever they want to use.
Post by: jackelope on February 20, 2015, 01:00:36 PM
I'm here at auction. They can't use any weapon. They have to use what weapon is open at that time. It's only open for month of September . I'm sitting in auction as we speak
OK
Post by: HUNT-HARD on February 20, 2015, 01:11:20 PM
Post by: nwhunter on February 20, 2015, 07:56:03 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 20, 2015, 09:26:27 PM
Pretty sure it is the mule deer auction tag for eastern wa which is Sept 1-Dec 31 any weapon any time just like every year and it sells in Salt Lake every year too. $26000 last year $29000 this year. All of these conservation tags go for higher prices than most of us can justify but its a tax deductible expense and you get to hunt prime time with no one else around and fit it into your schedule which is worth alot to some people. Congrats to the purchaser and good luck with the tag.
Spot on! :tup:
Post by: fishnfur on February 20, 2015, 10:19:04 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 20, 2015, 10:23:45 PM
Great! Lots more money for WDFW to spend on the re-introduction of wolves around our state.
You mean on the confirmation of existing wolves in the state? Because the WDFW never has and never will "re-introduce" wolves to this state.
Post by: bearpaw on February 20, 2015, 10:27:49 PM
Pretty sure it is the mule deer auction tag for eastern wa which is Sept 1-Dec 31 any weapon any time just like every year and it sells in Salt Lake every year too. $26000 last year $29000 this year. All of these conservation tags go for higher prices than most of us can justify but its a tax deductible expense and you get to hunt prime time with no one else around and fit it into your schedule which is worth alot to some people. Congrats to the purchaser and good luck with the tag.
Spot on! :tup:
:yeah: just waiting for the wife to win the lotto
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 20, 2015, 10:57:10 PM
Big money put towards conservation in our state.
:tup: :tup: :tup:
Are you sure about that? This isn't a State auction, these are donated tags. This one was put up by the Mule Deer Foundation. Not sure that they have to spend the money on Washington conservation.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on February 20, 2015, 11:02:56 PM
BTW, I would spend that in a heartbeat if I had the means. It would mean a lot more to me to find a 190" WA buck than a 210" Utah or AZ buck, not to mention how much more time I could spend in the field with a WA tag. Some day.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 20, 2015, 11:03:49 PM
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56012807-78/wildlife-utah-sfw-deer.html.csp (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56012807-78/wildlife-utah-sfw-deer.html.csp)
Post by: Bob33 on February 20, 2015, 11:08:11 PM
wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/auctions.htmlBig money put towards conservation in our state.
:tup: :tup: :tup:
Are you sure about that? This isn't a State auction, these are donated tags. This one was put up by the Mule Deer Foundation. Not sure that they have to spend the money on Washington conservation.
"Since the inception of the program in 1994, the primary objective of auction and raffle permits has been to generate revenue specifically for the management of the hunted species. As such, specific code was adopted in RCW 77.32.530 and WACs 232-28-290 and 232-28-292. These codes established the fiscal requirements for auction and raffle funds and describe structure of auction and raffle procedures and hunting opportunities.
Since 1994, auctions have been conducted by conservation organizations via a contract with WDFW, whereas most raffles are conducted by WDFW. Over five million dollars have been generated solely for the management of the respective big game species."
Post by: WAcoueshunter on February 21, 2015, 04:45:52 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/auctions.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/auctions.html)
But maybe they changed the season/rules or something? Or maybe this is a new auction tag? The Expo auction page says that it's only good for Sept 1-30, and this tag is listed as "East Side Deer" rather than mule deer.
http://www.onlinehuntingauctions.com/2015-Washington-East-Side-Deer_i21539172 (http://www.onlinehuntingauctions.com/2015-Washington-East-Side-Deer_i21539172)
Offered by the Mule Deer Foundation. MDF is a 501(c)3 tax exempt charitable organization.
Area: Eastern Washington EXCEPT those GMUs closed to deer hunting by the Fish and Wildlife Commission.
Dates: September 1-30, 2015
Weapon: Any legal weapon
Bag Limit: One additional – any buck deer
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 21, 2015, 05:29:35 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 21, 2015, 05:32:48 PM
Washington resident bought it.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 21, 2015, 05:35:56 PM
Has nothing to do with the governor.
Washington resident bought it.
Ok Josh. So why do they call it that and why was it done on SLC ? I'm more curious than anything.
Post by: jackelope on February 21, 2015, 05:53:32 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 21, 2015, 06:04:07 PM
Technically speaking, Washington does not call it a governors tag. It is just called an auction tag. Why they sell it in Salt Lake City, I have no idea. I assume because it is sold at the Western hunting and conservation expo. It is not the Utah hunting expo.
All the auction tags are spread out to different groups to sell. I think the mule deer foundation is the group that gets to auction the mule deer tag and SLC is their national convention, the tag probably brings more there than it would at any event in WA.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on February 22, 2015, 08:53:32 AM
Technically speaking, Washington does not call it a governors tag. It is just called an auction tag. Why they sell it in Salt Lake City, I have no idea. I assume because it is sold at the Western hunting and conservation expo. It is not the Utah hunting expo.
All the auction tags are spread out to different groups to sell. I think the mule deer foundation is the group that gets to auction the mule deer tag and SLC is their national convention, the tag probably brings more there than it would at any event in WA.
Yup, this is about raising the most dollars - I'm guessing they figure that the biggest bidders will be there and it will raise more cash than a local banquet. If you look at the auction list, some of the best tags from every state in the west are on there. It's not just Utah.
Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on February 22, 2015, 10:31:30 AM
ts a tax deductible expense
Be careful here. I believe you are only partially correct. :twocents:
Post by: WAcoueshunter on February 22, 2015, 11:10:05 AM
ts a tax deductible expense
Be careful here. I believe you are only partially correct. :twocents:
I've always wondered about that. Is there a PLR or something on the subject from the IRS? How do you determine what is FMV?
Post by: MtnMuley on February 22, 2015, 11:23:51 AM
Post by: Bob33 on February 22, 2015, 12:00:24 PM
That is the question. If you pay more than FMV for an auction item the excess could be considered a contribution. However, since the winner usually ends up paying just a bit more than the next highest bidder, you would have a hard time proving that you paid in excess of FMV. The IRS is not going to tell someone the FMV of an Eastern Washington tag but they make you prove what you claimed it to be.ts a tax deductible expense
Be careful here. I believe you are only partially correct. :twocents:
I've always wondered about that. Is there a PLR or something on the subject from the IRS? How do you determine what is FMV?
Post by: Miles on February 22, 2015, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: Igor on February 22, 2015, 02:13:20 PM
Kramer - I don't know what info you've been told or read, but the eastside auction tag that was sold is for Sept 1 - Dec 31 with any weapon. FACT
There is a HUGE difference between any LEGAL weapon and ANY weapon.
The picture that Kramer posed stated "Any legal weapon".
ANY weapon is exactly that......any weapon may be used. Any LEGAL weapon means that any weapon legal for that season and that tag may be used. A modern firearm would NOT be a legal weapon for a muzzleloader season/tag.
just my 2¢.
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2015, 02:49:22 PM
Kramer - I don't know what info you've been told or read, but the eastside auction tag that was sold is for Sept 1 - Dec 31 with any weapon. FACT
There is a HUGE difference between any LEGAL weapon and ANY weapon.
The picture that Kramer posed stated "Any legal weapon".
ANY weapon is exactly that......any weapon may be used. Any LEGAL weapon means that any weapon legal for that season and that tag may be used. A modern firearm would NOT be a legal weapon for a muzzleloader season/tag.
just my 2¢.
The guy who holds that tag can hunt with any legal modern firearm, bow or muzzleloader....regardless of when he is hunting in the legal season...9/1-12/31. It's like there's a typo in the auction flyer info. That tag that sold is the Eastside mule deer auction tag as Mtnmuley said.
Post by: huntnphool on February 22, 2015, 03:54:32 PM
Kramer - I don't know what info you've been told or read, but the eastside auction tag that was sold is for Sept 1 - Dec 31 with any weapon. FACT
There is a HUGE difference between any LEGAL weapon and ANY weapon.
The picture that Kramer posed stated "Any legal weapon".
ANY weapon is exactly that......any weapon may be used. Any LEGAL weapon means that any weapon legal for that season and that tag may be used. A modern firearm would NOT be a legal weapon for a muzzleloader season/tag.
just my 2¢.
The guy who holds that tag can hunt with any legal modern firearm, bow or muzzleloader....regardless of when he is hunting in the legal season...9/1-12/31. It's like there's a typo in the auction flyer info. That tag that sold is the Eastside mule deer auction tag as Mtnmuley said.
+1, clearly the usual bidders for that tag knew exactly what the actual specifics were, they are not going to bid that high for a Sept archery deer hunt only. :chuckle:
The wording for that tag at that auction has not changed in a few years, it's said the same thing since at least 2012.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 22, 2015, 07:14:52 PM
That is the question. If you pay more than FMV for an auction item the excess could be considered a contribution. However, since the winner usually ends up paying just a bit more than the next highest bidder, you would have a hard time proving that you paid in excess of FMV. The IRS is not going to tell someone the FMV of an Eastern Washington tag but they make you prove what you claimed it to be.ts a tax deductible expense
Be careful here. I believe you are only partially correct. :twocents:
I've always wondered about that. Is there a PLR or something on the subject from the IRS? How do you determine what is FMV?
I would think FMV is whatever the market will bear. In other words, whatever the highest bid is.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on February 22, 2015, 07:16:04 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 22, 2015, 07:24:14 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2015, 07:42:49 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 22, 2015, 08:11:14 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 22, 2015, 08:25:30 PM
I was going to bid on a couple tags for myself and a friend but they all went higher than usual. We decided to wait and see if we can draw or get landowner tags. I have 13 elk points, but probably not quite enough for a pretty good tag, the point creep is a killer.
Post by: Bean Counter on February 23, 2015, 01:07:08 AM
ts a tax deductible expense
Be careful here. I believe you are only partially correct. :twocents:
I've always wondered about that. Is there a PLR or something on the subject from the IRS? How do you determine what is FMV?
"Pigs get fatter, hogs get slaughtered."
you'd be surprised what you can get away with. I don't mean "get away with" as in wink wink, nod nod, foot tap... go conceal your assets or underreport income or any blatantly fraudulent crap like that. The operative word in FMV is "fair." IRS is not the Boone and Crocket Club. They will roll up their sleeves and investigate if they're teeing up on a big case but for the most part they will accept returns as prepared if it seems fair and reasonable. Transfers of large, onerous estates between generations get particularly cumbersome but are a great example of when its prudent to pay some blood sucking CPA $265+ an hour :)
If I bid $37,000 on a hunt at a benefit auction, say a mule deer hunt on Antelope Island, and I could print out three guide advertisements showing an average price of $20,000 for the same hunt, I would claim a $17,000 charitable deduction on Schedule A and tell my grandma I did it. Just make sure your receipt shows that the organization is a 501(c)3. If your cashier at Starbucks asks if you'd like to add $3 to your bill to buy a book in support of child literacy, that is not a tax deductible contribution. Better to confirm before writing your check or bidding for that matter :chuckle:
Remember also that private letter rulings (PLRs) are not binding upon anybody but the particular taxpayer who requested the ruling and IRS. You can't cite them as authoritative in an audit or trial: "Bill over there deducted it..." PLRs are published as a part of FOIA and are useful in reading the reasoning of IRS in treatment of a particular transaction, but a Rev. Proc. is generally accepted as the lowest level of administrative law that can be cited as authoritative. PLR is well below that threshold.
Post by: Alchase on February 23, 2015, 07:52:05 AM
I love it. The Governors tags are auctioned of to very wealthy, out-of-state people, but, disabled resident hunters, get the absolute worst areas and times to hunt....................no wonder I don't like the WDFW. Conservation or not, B.S.
I could not have said it better.
Bring those (Auction for the rich only) tags back into the state, put them in a $20 per ticket lottery for hunters who have a valid WA state license and it would only take 1000 people to buy a chance at a once in a lifetime experience to equal what that tag goes for in SLC.
Tell me again it is about the money going to WDFW.
Sorry I think this is disgusting, the two best tags in Washington and only the rich can play.
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2015, 07:58:36 AM
I love it. The Governors tags are auctioned of to very wealthy, out-of-state people, but, disabled resident hunters, get the absolute worst areas and times to hunt....................no wonder I don't like the WDFW. Conservation or not, B.S.
I could not have said it better.
Bring those (Auction for the rich only) tags back into the state, put them in a $20 per ticket lottery for hunters who have a valid WA state license and it would only take 1000 people to buy a chance at a once in a lifetime experience to equal what that tag goes for in SLC.
Tell me again it is about the money going to WDFW.
Sorry I think this is disgusting, the two best tags in Washington and only the rich can play.
With all due respect, campmeat's comments were off the mark and we already also have raffle tags that are aimed at what you want. They're the same exact tags with the same exact dates and restrictions. I don't disagree with your thoughts and I don't agree with our current raffle systems, but we already have a raffle system and that's a different thread.
Post by: Bob33 on February 23, 2015, 08:04:50 AM
Bring those (Auction for the rich only) tags back into the state, put them in a $20 per ticket lottery for hunters who have a valid WA state license and it would only take 1000 people to buy a chance at a once in a lifetime experience to equal what that tag goes for in SLC.What would prevent the rich guy from buying all 1000 tickets?
Post by: Alchase on February 23, 2015, 08:11:17 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 23, 2015, 08:26:37 AM
Bring those (Auction for the rich only) tags back into the state, put them in a $20 per ticket lottery for hunters who have a valid WA state license and it would only take 1000 people to buy a chance at a once in a lifetime experience to equal what that tag goes for in SLC.What would prevent the rich guy from buying all 1000 tickets?
Why limit it to 1,000 tickets. If a guy buys 1,000 tickets and a thousand other people buy one ticket, he has a better chance of winning, but it's not guaranteed. And you're trying to raise money for game management aren't you? Sort of like the lottery when it gets up to a hundred million. You don't see some rich guy buying a million tickets because there may be 50 million or more other tickets being sold which lowers his chances, and even if he wins he may have to split the winning more than once.
Post by: Bob33 on February 23, 2015, 08:38:24 AM
If there is no limit on tickets, the poor guys aren't going to buy as many. It's bad enough having 1 in a 1000 chances. If you're asking someone to pay $20 for a 1 in 10,000 chance, I suspect you'll get less interest.Bring those (Auction for the rich only) tags back into the state, put them in a $20 per ticket lottery for hunters who have a valid WA state license and it would only take 1000 people to buy a chance at a once in a lifetime experience to equal what that tag goes for in SLC.What would prevent the rich guy from buying all 1000 tickets?
Why limit it to 1,000 tickets. If a guy buys 1,000 tickets and a thousand other people buy one ticket, he has a better chance of winning, but it's not guaranteed. And you're trying to raise money for game management aren't you? Sort of like the lottery when it gets up to a hundred million. You don't see some rich guy buying a million tickets because there may be 50 million or more other tickets being sold which lowers his chances, and even if he wins he may have to split the winning more than once.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on February 23, 2015, 08:39:24 AM
One ticket per Wild ID, not hard to do.
At $20, you wouldn't sell 1,000 tickets at one ticket per WILD ID. Heck, with the sky's the limit on ticket purchases at $6, the mule deer raffle only raised $18K last year (3,030 tickets x $6).
Using the raffle method, they raise $18K for conservation. Using the auction method, they raise $29K. If your goal is funding, which is better? :dunno:
Post by: Bob33 on February 23, 2015, 08:48:37 AM
$18K minus costs to run the raffle, versus collecting a check from one buyer at an auction.One ticket per Wild ID, not hard to do.
At $20, you wouldn't sell 1,000 tickets at one ticket per WILD ID. Heck, with the sky's the limit on ticket purchases at $6, the mule deer raffle only raised $18K last year (3,030 tickets x $6).
Using the raffle method, they raise $18K for conservation. Using the auction method, they raise $29K. If your goal is funding, which is better? :dunno:
Post by: baldopepper on February 23, 2015, 09:30:10 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on February 23, 2015, 09:58:57 AM
20-30% tops is more like it.
Post by: idahohuntr on February 23, 2015, 12:52:23 PM
Guess I'm not sure why the states use a third party (the expo) to auction off these permits. Last figures I saw were from 2012. Permits auctioned off for a little over 1,000,000 total, of which SFW claimed aprox. 600,000 in expense and 400,000 went to conservation. 60% auction fee seems pretty high to me. I won't get into any more on the SFW, but don't think they're good for the everyday sportsman. Just my :twocents:It is bewildering to a lot of hunters that a sham organization like SFW is allowed to do what they do to sportsmen. I still can't believe Utah sportsmen aren't lining up at the capitol with pitch forks.
Post by: Quarter Pounder on February 23, 2015, 01:30:33 PM
Big money put towards conservation in our state.
:tup: :tup: :tup:
Who ensures that it does, in fact, go towards conservation?
Post by: baldopepper on February 23, 2015, 01:43:50 PM
Post by: M_ray on February 23, 2015, 02:30:35 PM
I love it. The Governors tags are auctioned of to very wealthy, out-of-state people, but, disabled resident hunters, get the absolute worst areas and times to hunt....................no wonder I don't like the WDFW. Conservation or not, B.S.
From what I understand the tag was bought by WA resident not "out of state people". Is there ANYTHING you like ... EVER? :chuckle:
If you don't like this format how do you suggest the state come up with another way of raising 29K? and BTW you can buy raffle tickets and enjoy the same benefits as the Auction tag ... just sayin. :dunno:
Post by: MtnMuley on February 23, 2015, 02:45:41 PM
Post by: M_ray on February 23, 2015, 02:58:04 PM
Leave camp alone......YES, there is something he said he likes.......going into the mall wearing his fanny pack. :tup: 8)
:chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on February 24, 2015, 07:16:23 AM
And I hated paying the non-res price for deer this past year. :chuckle:I think you got your money's worth :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on February 24, 2015, 12:57:53 PM
And I hated paying the non-res price for deer this past year. :chuckle:I think you got your money's worth :chuckle:
No sh@, stop your whining! :chuckle:
Post by: Miles on February 25, 2015, 05:14:05 AM
And I hated paying the non-res price for deer this past year. :chuckle:I think you got your money's worth :chuckle:
No sh@, stop your whining! :chuckle:
Definitely got my money's worth this past year. I did feel like I had a little more pressure on me to fill the tag after paying more though... I can't imagine paying thousands.
Post by: kramer on February 25, 2015, 01:32:43 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 25, 2015, 05:03:16 PM
And I hated paying the non-res price for deer this past year. :chuckle:I think you got your money's worth :chuckle:
No sh@, stop your whining! :chuckle:
Definitely got my money's worth this past year. I did feel like I had a little more pressure on me to fill the tag after paying more though... I can't imagine paying thousands.
Did you do a thread Miles I can't remember?
Post by: Miles on February 26, 2015, 05:09:37 AM
And I hated paying the non-res price for deer this past year. :chuckle:I think you got your money's worth :chuckle:
No sh@, stop your whining! :chuckle:
Definitely got my money's worth this past year. I did feel like I had a little more pressure on me to fill the tag after paying more though... I can't imagine paying thousands.
Did you do a thread Miles I can't remember?
Yes, here's the link:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,164746.msg2171913.html#msg2171913 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,164746.msg2171913.html#msg2171913)
Post by: trophyhunt on February 26, 2015, 06:41:05 AM
What a nice fricken deer you got Miles, beautiful body and neck on that stud! It sure makes me miss muley hunting, Idaho elk replaced my annual mule deer hunt in Republic. Congrats!And I hated paying the non-res price for deer this past year. :chuckle:I think you got your money's worth :chuckle:
No sh@, stop your whining! :chuckle:
Definitely got my money's worth this past year. I did feel like I had a little more pressure on me to fill the tag after paying more though... I can't imagine paying thousands.
Did you do a thread Miles I can't remember?
Yes, here's the link:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,164746.msg2171913.html#msg2171913 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,164746.msg2171913.html#msg2171913)