Post by: huntnphool on February 27, 2015, 08:03:59 PM
It's :mor: like this guy that contribute to the destruction of our wintering range!
Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2015, 08:22:18 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 27, 2015, 08:33:51 PM
Post by: mfswallace on February 27, 2015, 08:35:07 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2015, 08:46:38 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2015, 08:47:12 PM
Post by: sled on February 27, 2015, 08:50:30 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 27, 2015, 08:52:51 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2015, 08:54:09 PM
Post by: jrebel on February 27, 2015, 08:54:19 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2015, 09:04:49 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 27, 2015, 09:08:28 PM
Post by: mfswallace on February 27, 2015, 09:10:24 PM
He shouldn't be too hard to find :chuckle:
You've got to have more pics than that :drool: :drool: :drool:
Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
He shouldn't be too hard to find :chuckle:
Was it upright at that point?
Post by: jrebel on February 27, 2015, 09:11:29 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 27, 2015, 09:16:06 PM
My little girl was a trooper and hiked all the way down and almost all the way back up which was way further than I anticipated. She said if these pictures made it on Facebook to make sure I said this WAS NOT her Jeep!
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 27, 2015, 09:20:02 PM
Post by: jrebel on February 27, 2015, 09:21:22 PM
Thanks for the pictures. People like this ruin it for everyone.....It's time they make an example out to these people so people think twice before they do this stuff. :bash: :bash:
Post by: sakoshooter on February 27, 2015, 09:21:50 PM
Shouldn't be that hard to find with a name and picture of his jeep. Hope they stick him with a hefty fine.
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 27, 2015, 09:28:04 PM
Post by: crabcreekhunter on February 27, 2015, 09:28:32 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on February 27, 2015, 09:30:30 PM
I think you have a hunter in the making there. On top of that she is learning ethics.
Thank you for teaching her environmental ethics. .
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 27, 2015, 09:31:51 PM
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 27, 2015, 09:34:59 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on February 27, 2015, 09:38:34 PM
Anyone know if he is a member on the forum?
Post by: hollymaster on February 27, 2015, 09:41:41 PM
A Dr of mental health in Wenatchee has that same name. Looks like he needs some mental help.Just a little common sense maybe. :dunno:
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 27, 2015, 09:44:14 PM
Cute kid! Can't help but smile at that picture
I think you have a hunter in the making there. On top of that she is learning ethics.
Thank you for teaching her environmental ethics. .
I agree! She is already shaping up well. I gave her the option to wait in the truck with the iPhone or hike down with me. You see what she chose, but by the end I think she wished she had stayed at the truck :chuckle: when we were driving up we came out on top and she said it would be a great place for a house, no one around to make noise or complain about her shooting her .22 whenever she wanted. She thought it was too far from stores for mommy though :)
It wouldn't take more than a little push to get it down.
On top of fines it will probably run him ~$4000 or more to get a helicopter to get it down. A B3-Astar might lift it but it would be close. They were running ~$1100 an hour last I knew and it would probably be at least 3 hours work all said and done unless there is something closer than Spokane or the west side.
Post by: huntnphool on February 27, 2015, 09:46:10 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2015, 09:46:46 PM
Post by: jrebel on February 27, 2015, 09:48:21 PM
Post by: Romulus1297 on February 27, 2015, 09:48:55 PM
Well folks sh*t happens. We would probably be laughing at anyone who got their jeep stuck on a wintering range. Very funny to humiliate someone. That being said, has anyone called him and asked for a story? It shouldn't be too hard to drive a jeep.Well I don't know if you are from Naches but Naches just beat the Chelan boys basketball and are on to state in Yakima.
Anyone know if he is a member on the forum?
Post by: Naches Sportsman on February 27, 2015, 09:49:27 PM
Point is Naches, he was ripping up wintering ground and should have never left the road or two track. IMO the jeep should be impounded and sold for revenue for habitat restoration. :twocents:
They do that quite often here as well. Maybe we should start humiliating the ones who do it down here too.
Post by: dreamunelk on February 27, 2015, 09:50:45 PM
Cute kid! Can't help but smile at that picture
I think you have a hunter in the making there. On top of that she is learning ethics.
Thank you for teaching her environmental ethics. .
I agree! She is already shaping up well. I gave her the option to wait in the truck with the iPhone or hike down with me. You see what she chose, but by the end I think she wished she had stayed at the truck :chuckle: when we were driving up we came out on top and she said it would be a great place for a house, no one around to make noise or complain about her shooting her .22 whenever she wanted. She thought it was too far from stores for mommy though :)
It wouldn't take more than a little push to get it down.
On top of fines it will probably run him ~$4000 or more to get a helicopter to get it down. A B3-Astar might lift it but it would be close. They were running ~$1100 an hour last I knew and it would probably be at least 3 hours work all said and done unless there is something closer than Spokane or the west side.
Yup, a future hunting partner you got. :tup:
Post by: jrebel on February 27, 2015, 09:52:06 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 27, 2015, 09:55:10 PM
Jackelope, is your picture the same jeep? I can't see it very well, but your picture looks like a yellow jeep. Just wondering if there are two idiots out there?
Same jeep
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 27, 2015, 09:58:13 PM
With a little creative rigging he may be able to get it up far enough to drop over to the north and head down the gully to the orchard below. Does not look any worse than what he already went through.
I thought about calling him and asking WTF? Not my style though. If anyone does make sure you share the story and find out how long it took to unstick his arse from the seat. Couldn't tell if there was a stain on it or not through the window.
Post by: huntnphool on February 27, 2015, 09:58:59 PM
Point is Naches, he was ripping up wintering ground and should have never left the road or two track. IMO the jeep should be impounded and sold for revenue for habitat restoration. :twocents:
They do that quite often here as well. Maybe we should start humiliating the ones who do it down here too.
Idiots like this need more than just a lesson in humility. :twocents:
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 27, 2015, 10:03:30 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 27, 2015, 10:06:03 PM
Point is Naches, he was ripping up wintering ground and should have never left the road or two track. IMO the jeep should be impounded and sold for revenue for habitat restoration. :twocents:
They do that quite often here as well. Maybe we should start humiliating the ones who do it down here too.
Idiots like this need more than just a lesson in humility. :twocents:
:yeah:
I agree with that. And the same for the idiot horn hunters who cut bike trails up and down every ridge and gully.
Post by: jrebel on February 27, 2015, 10:06:47 PM
Just above Ribbon Cliff Orchards north of Entiat. If you are familiar with Crum Canyon road it is on the same ridge as the lookout swing and new weather station. Nearest road is 97a.
That is where I thought it was. I know the orchard and recognized that part of the Columbia. Matter of fact I hiked it two weeks ago. What a dummy...... :bash: :bash:
Post by: dreamunelk on February 27, 2015, 10:08:39 PM
Point is Naches, he was ripping up wintering ground and should have never left the road or two track. IMO the jeep should be impounded and sold for revenue for habitat restoration. :twocents:
They do that quite often here as well. Maybe we should start humiliating the ones who do it down here too.
Idiots like this need more than just a lesson in humility. :twocents:
:yeah:
I agree with that. And the same for the idiot horn hunters who cut bike trails up and down every ridge and gully.
:yeah:
Post by: huntnphool on February 27, 2015, 10:13:47 PM
And the same for the idiot horn hunters who cut bike trails up and down every ridge and gully.Point is Naches, he was ripping up wintering ground and should have never left the road or two track. IMO the jeep should be impounded and sold for revenue for habitat restoration. :twocents:
They do that quite often here as well. Maybe we should start humiliating the ones who do it down here too.
Idiots like this need more than just a lesson in humility. :twocents:
As well as the ones riding their snowmobiles up, down and through the sage and bitterbrush, ripping it up and thinking nothing of it.
Post by: dreamunelk on February 27, 2015, 10:21:06 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on February 27, 2015, 10:40:26 PM
Post by: Big6bull on February 27, 2015, 10:44:10 PM
Looks like a good tire jack and squat workout you could roll it to the river road pretty easy, I would've helped him! Lol
My thoughts exactly! If I were there I'd push that bumper up in the right lesson learning direction.....
Post by: muleyslayer#1 on February 27, 2015, 10:57:01 PM
Post by: spin05 on February 28, 2015, 03:23:28 AM
509 area code. Clearly a coastie.
Thats a Wenatchee phone number. Your not pinning that stupid move on us westside guys......LOL
Post by: Bean Counter on February 28, 2015, 03:42:29 AM
I thought about calling him and asking WTF? Not my style though.
It would be my style to call him up before posting pictures, ribbing, and speculating. :twocents:
Post by: ICEMAN on February 28, 2015, 06:27:08 AM
Yeah, I would have pooped my drawers on that slide.
Got my dads old power wagon stuck on a greasy clay road once; taught me as an adult to learn to stop and think before continuing.
Years ago on the West hill in Kent (516) I was maybe two minutes late to watch a guy roll a brand spanking new, tag in the window Pathfinder. Dust was still in the air....Guy made it maybe 20 feet up one of those end of road/ steep gravelly hillsides begging for testing your 4wd.... Uh, yeah he screwed the pooch and somehow got is sideways and rolled it....His wife was not too happy looking, "chatting" him up from the pavement. Sometimes guys do this to themselves.....
Post by: MADMAX on February 28, 2015, 06:39:22 AM
Post by: teanawayslayer on February 28, 2015, 06:45:03 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 28, 2015, 07:15:28 AM
So did he start the climb on the 97A side or Crum Canyon? Idiot is correct
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 28, 2015, 07:37:54 AM
Post by: gasman on February 28, 2015, 07:57:45 AM
Dumb a$$$$ did not even have a winch or have a land anchor :bdid:
Could have dragged his butt out with the "Barbie Jeep". :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 28, 2015, 08:08:21 AM
Post by: Miles on February 28, 2015, 08:10:56 AM
I tryed calling him but not sure why but his phone goes direct to voice mail? Anybody get the story from him? There could be a logical reason why he ended up there? Or not? :dunno:
He probably shut it off after his number was posted on this site. :chuckle:
Post by: vandeman17 on February 28, 2015, 08:13:05 AM
Post by: WAmuleyHunter on February 28, 2015, 01:50:33 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 28, 2015, 04:56:47 PM
IN the first picture, look below & to left of first cross member on pole
Post by: jackelope on February 28, 2015, 06:36:43 PM
Post by: actionshooter on February 28, 2015, 06:38:27 PM
Word is the jeep will be getting a super expensive helicopter ride.
That will leave a mark. :)
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 28, 2015, 06:43:50 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 28, 2015, 07:15:40 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 28, 2015, 07:25:19 PM
Word is the jeep will be getting a super expensive helicopter ride.
What kind of ship is it going to take? It seems like it would have to be a K Max, Firehawk or Chinook. On that steep slope, once you come up, you have it, so you need to be way inside your capacity chart.
With the air time, you might almost have a parts jeep up the hill
Post by: jackelope on February 28, 2015, 07:31:16 PM
I wasn't privy to that much detail. I was told that and it is going to cost $10k. Rumor. Take it for what it's worth. Rumor came from someone who would/show know at least a good portion of the details.Word is the jeep will be getting a super expensive helicopter ride.
What kind of ship is it going to take? It seems like it would have to be a K Max, Firehawk or Chinook. On that steep slope, once you come up, you have it, so you need to be way inside your capacity chart.
With the air time, you might almost have a parts jeep up the hill
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 28, 2015, 07:39:47 PM
I wasn't privy to that much detail. I was told that and it is going to cost $10k. Rumor. Take it for what it's worth. Rumor came from someone who would/show know at least a good portion of the details.Word is the jeep will be getting a super expensive helicopter ride.
What kind of ship is it going to take? It seems like it would have to be a K Max, Firehawk or Chinook. On that steep slope, once you come up, you have it, so you need to be way inside your capacity chart.
With the air time, you might almost have a parts jeep up the hill
The picture of the note will make it difficult to report it as stolen. :chuckle:
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 28, 2015, 08:00:49 PM
Post by: 2labs on February 28, 2015, 08:10:21 PM
That bumper sticker use to piss me off, now I get it!
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 28, 2015, 08:12:22 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 28, 2015, 08:20:03 PM
You wouldn't understand! It's a jeep thing.I wonder what Jeep thinks about this...sounds like a good commercial in the making for another brand.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 28, 2015, 08:21:11 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 28, 2015, 08:24:25 PM
If you were pushing a tire 12"+ wide with a lot of float and tread you *might* be able to climb out, but there would be a lot of ground damage and I still don't know if it is possible. Hard to describe how steep and soft it is up there.
A B3-Astar would be pretty close to fitting the bill. Especially if you stripped off the excess weight and did two or three lifts. It would take some work though. A B3-Astar runs about $2000/hr last I knew.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 28, 2015, 08:25:32 PM
Going to be well below freezing tonight in the area. Chain it up and get it out of there at dawn, before anyone even knows what happened. It's a Jeep thing. :chuckle:
Post by: 2labs on February 28, 2015, 08:26:23 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 28, 2015, 08:28:08 PM
Going to be well below freezing tonight in the area. Chain it up and get it out of there at dawn, before anyone even knows what happened. It's a Jeep thing. :chuckle:
That thing has been sitting there over a week. "Anyone" already knows about it.
:chuckle:
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 28, 2015, 08:28:21 PM
Going to be well below freezing tonight in the area. Chain it up and get it out of there at dawn, before anyone even knows what happened. It's a Jeep thing. :chuckle:
The problem with that is that decomposed granite does not hold the moisture and it would be even worse. There would be a nice hard crust that would fragment easily and drop you in soggy ground, meaning you would have to break the crust but there is still nothing below to lock onto.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 28, 2015, 08:32:28 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 28, 2015, 08:32:49 PM
That thing has been sitting there over a week. "Anyone" already knows about it.
:chuckle:
Excellent point. :chuckle:
Post by: ICEMAN on February 28, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
Going to be well below freezing tonight in the area. Chain it up and get it out of there at dawn, before anyone even knows what happened. It's a Jeep thing. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Probably a best chance to get it out for low dollar. Shouldn't have been out there anyway with out 2 pairs of welded vlug chains IMHO.
Post by: 2labs on February 28, 2015, 08:39:04 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 28, 2015, 08:39:49 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 28, 2015, 08:42:27 PM
It's been there a week and isn't stripped yet? Good thing it's not in the lower valley.
Another excellent point. :tup: :chuckle:
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 28, 2015, 08:46:26 PM
It's been there a week and isn't stripped yet? Good thing it's not in the lower valley.
You would have to be one bad mofo to hike down and strip anything off it. All I could see to do would be to tip it into the orchard below then strip what is left. Also, it is brand new so there does not appear to be anything but a pile of free USFS brochures and maps and an empty soda bottle. Figured something this screwed would involve alcohol to account for the seriously poor decisions, but there was no sign.
Post by: mountainman on February 28, 2015, 08:55:27 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 28, 2015, 08:56:16 PM
You would have to be one bad mofo to hike down and strip anything off it.
You don't know what kind of thieves we have in Yakima. :yike: They'll do anything for meth, crack, heroin, or?
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 28, 2015, 09:02:15 PM
You would have to be one bad mofo to hike down and strip anything off it.
You don't know what kind of thieves we have in Yakima. :yike: They'll do anything for meth, crack, heroin, or?
Probably the easiest and cheapest way to get it out of there is to offer someone a dime bag to "deliver" the jeep "unharmed" to an "undisclosed" location. :chuckle:
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 28, 2015, 09:03:20 PM
Post by: WARHORSE on February 28, 2015, 09:15:12 PM
Post by: raydog on February 28, 2015, 10:39:16 PM
Post by: bigtex on February 28, 2015, 10:45:03 PM
Years ago on the West hill in Kent (516) I was maybe two minutes late to watch a guy roll a brand spanking new, tag in the window Pathfinder. Dust was still in the air....Guy made it maybe 20 feet up one of those end of road/ steep gravelly hillsides begging for testing your 4wd.... Uh, yeah he screwed the pooch and somehow got is sideways and rolled it....His wife was not too happy looking, "chatting" him up from the pavement. Sometimes guys do this to themselves.....Amazing how many ATV/ORV tickets one can write in the cities. That situation is one example.
Post by: netcoyote on March 01, 2015, 06:07:40 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 01, 2015, 07:17:30 AM
Years ago on the West hill in Kent (516) I was maybe two minutes late to watch a guy roll a brand spanking new, tag in the window Pathfinder. Dust was still in the air....Guy made it maybe 20 feet up one of those end of road/ steep gravelly hillsides begging for testing your 4wd.... Uh, yeah he screwed the pooch and somehow got is sideways and rolled it....His wife was not too happy looking, "chatting" him up from the pavement. Sometimes guys do this to themselves.....Amazing how many ATV/ORV tickets one can write in the cities. That situation is one example.
I don't get it bigtex, What does a Nissan Pathfinder have to do with an ATV/ORV ticket?? Two different classifications of motor vehicle.
Post by: Encore 280 on March 01, 2015, 07:38:14 AM
Post by: netcoyote on March 01, 2015, 07:47:55 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 01, 2015, 08:24:33 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 01, 2015, 09:10:52 AM
Apple Maps strikes Again
:lol4:
Post by: timberghost72 on March 01, 2015, 09:45:50 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 01, 2015, 09:53:06 AM
Post by: pd on March 01, 2015, 10:13:20 AM
If I ever do something this lame, I will have to leave this country forever, the shame would be too great.
Post by: TommyH on March 01, 2015, 10:25:57 AM
If they fly it out somebody up there please get pics of it!
:yeah:
Post by: mkcj on March 01, 2015, 03:32:03 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on March 01, 2015, 10:41:50 PM
Post by: zike on March 02, 2015, 12:02:01 AM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on March 02, 2015, 09:00:31 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 02, 2015, 09:27:16 AM
You know at least the guy left his full name and number. Ill give him credit for that. Lots of people would probably try their hardest to keep the issue a secret and sneak it out of there.
There's a really good chance he had no idea what he'd done. I bet he knows by now!
Post by: baker5150 on March 02, 2015, 09:28:36 AM
I doubt that an air crane outfit is willing to go get it without this guy pre-paying.
Post by: kisfish on March 02, 2015, 09:38:24 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 02, 2015, 09:43:58 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on March 02, 2015, 10:03:56 AM
Post by: whacker1 on March 02, 2015, 10:58:32 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2015, 12:17:11 PM
Post by: mountainman on March 02, 2015, 12:19:59 PM
I'm told that the Jeep is still there because he's been told the only way the Jeep is coming off of that hill is via air carrier. Rumor from a relatively solid source. He's not allowed to try and drive it out.the fine for driving it out is sure to be less then th cost of flying it out.
Post by: quadrafire on March 02, 2015, 12:21:56 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2015, 12:22:10 PM
I'm told that the Jeep is still there because he's been told the only way the Jeep is coming off of that hill is via air carrier. Rumor from a relatively solid source. He's not allowed to try and drive it out.the fine for driving it out is sure to be less then th cost of flying it out.
:dunno:
You're probably right.
Maybe jail time is not worth it to him. Really don't know. I know WSP is involved as well as USFS and WDFW.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on March 02, 2015, 12:23:25 PM
Or his wife beat him so bad he is in the hospital still, assuming he is married! I wouldn't come home if I did that lol!
Post by: bhawley76 on March 02, 2015, 12:23:46 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 02, 2015, 12:32:58 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 02, 2015, 12:34:12 PM
Post by: Curly on March 02, 2015, 12:36:52 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 02, 2015, 01:49:16 PM
Maybe he can drive it out in July when it dries out?
Did you miss this?
I'm told that the Jeep is still there because he's been told the only way the Jeep is coming off of that hill is via air carrier. Rumor from a relatively solid source. He's not allowed to try and drive it out.
Post by: darren on March 02, 2015, 01:56:04 PM
I'd find someone with a 4x4 with a winch to get it out of there and park it blocking a driveway to like a mall or something. Then a tow truck will take it and impound it and call the owner. Then you pay your $500 or whatever and you're on your way.
Foolproof plan!
Post by: Curly on March 02, 2015, 01:58:49 PM
Maybe he can drive it out in July when it dries out?
Did you miss this?I'm told that the Jeep is still there because he's been told the only way the Jeep is coming off of that hill is via air carrier. Rumor from a relatively solid source. He's not allowed to try and drive it out.
Yeah, but not being allowed to and doing it is another issue. He wasn't allowed to be where he ended up but was anyway. Although I do understand he is under a microscope now, but seems like he might try to sneak in and get it even if it means more fines............... :dunno:
Post by: baker5150 on March 02, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
Man, this guy is pretty screwed.
I'd find someone with a 4x4 with a winch to get it out of there and park it blocking a driveway to like a mall or something. Then a tow truck will take it and impound it and call the owner. Then you pay your $500 or whatever and you're on your way.
Foolproof plan!
? :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2015, 02:03:41 PM
Man, this guy is pretty screwed.
I'd find someone with a 4x4 with a winch to get it out of there and park it blocking a driveway to like a mall or something. Then a tow truck will take it and impound it and call the owner. Then you pay your $500 or whatever and you're on your way.
Foolproof plan!
You'd have to find someone willing to break the law again by driving there in the 1st place. The Jeep currently resides in a no motorized area.
I guess you could also look for a guy with about 2.5 miles of winch cable.
That might work.
:sry: :bash:
Post by: huntnphool on March 02, 2015, 02:04:09 PM
but seems like he might try to sneak in and get it even if it means more fines............... :dunno:Maybe he can drive it out in July when it dries out?
Did you miss this?I'm told that the Jeep is still there because he's been told the only way the Jeep is coming off of that hill is via air carrier. Rumor from a relatively solid source. He's not allowed to try and drive it out.
How about jail time?
Post by: cbond3318 on March 02, 2015, 02:06:21 PM
Man, this guy is pretty screwed.
I'd find someone with a 4x4 with a winch to get it out of there and park it blocking a driveway to like a mall or something. Then a tow truck will take it and impound it and call the owner. Then you pay your $500 or whatever and you're on your way.
Foolproof plan!
:sry:
Post by: _TONY_ on March 02, 2015, 02:18:37 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 02, 2015, 02:21:12 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on March 02, 2015, 02:27:07 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 02, 2015, 02:31:00 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 02, 2015, 02:43:28 PM
Hard to believe a right - minded individual would drive this far into a canyon. Unreal.
I knew some people, albeit very stupid people, who found a great place to 4-wheel down at the OR coast. Not another vehicle to be found anywhere. They had a great time getting all muddy and spraying the mud everywhere and making big holes. That was, until they were informed by the the OSP that they had ruined some protected clamming beds. They should've lost their truck but they didn't. I think the fines were nominal, at best. I'm sure they thought it was a lot.
People this stupid do exist and many have 4WD vehicles. :bash:
Post by: RadSav on March 02, 2015, 02:50:24 PM
You know at least the guy left his full name and number. Ill give him credit for that.
Note should have read, "Gone to get more beer"
Post by: M_ray on March 02, 2015, 02:50:52 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 02, 2015, 02:52:04 PM
You know at least the guy left his full name and number. Ill give him credit for that.
Note should have read, "Gone to get more beer"
:chuckle: No doubt.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 02, 2015, 02:53:15 PM
You know at least the guy left his full name and number. Ill give him credit for that.
Note should have read, "Gone to get more beer"
:yeah: "Gone to get more Natural Ice..."
Post by: TeacherMan on March 02, 2015, 03:17:12 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on March 02, 2015, 03:24:11 PM
Should've just thrown some Nitto Mud Grappler's on there, this would have been a thread about a mysterious vehicle that tore up some ground.You know at least the guy left his full name and number. Ill give him credit for that.
Note should have read, "Gone to get more beer"
:yeah: "Gone to get more Natural Ice..."
Out of curiosity, was there an empty 30 bomb laying around? You would have to be drunk to drive down that hill. Makes my butt pucker looking at that hill.
Post by: Goose Noose on March 02, 2015, 03:32:00 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 02, 2015, 03:53:08 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 02, 2015, 04:17:24 PM
A person could conceivably park at the top and and with 1000' +/- of cable winch it up.
Going down is not an option unless he can get back up ~50yds and drop off into the gully to the north. Might be able to drop off the south side but it is rockier and steeper there. I think he crossed from USFS into DNR and possibly state land on the ridge so there are jurisdictional boundaries to consider.
Post by: mountainman on March 02, 2015, 05:03:24 PM
The fee to carrier it out of there is probably 100 times more expensive then the ticket he might get for trying to drive it out of there... I've got my money on him trying to sneak it out.up to a $5000 fine, and if civil charges are filed by forest service, he will be liable for restoration costs.
Post by: gasman on March 02, 2015, 05:22:37 PM
BUT
you all sound like a bunch of :tree1:
Its dirt and sage brush, not a meadow of lushes grass being fed on, or the middle of the feed area for deer wintering deer in 2 feet of snow.
Get that thing up that ridge, and have the dumb arse take a shovel, some seeds and take care of the dirt he disturbed.
Rent a dozer and get ot out of there....jeesh......
And you gusy would be suprised what a capable jeep can get through or up :camp:
Post by: Rainier10 on March 02, 2015, 05:26:11 PM
Post by: jrebel on March 02, 2015, 05:34:56 PM
First off, I do not condone what this jack wagon did, and this is going to :stirthepot:
BUT
you all sound like a bunch of :tree1:
Its dirt and sage brush, not a meadow of lushes grass being fed on, or the middle of the feed area for deer wintering deer in 2 feet of snow.
Get that thing up that ridge, and have the dumb arse take a shovel, some seeds and take care of the dirt he disturbed.
Rent a dozer and get ot out of there....jeesh......
And you gusy would be suprised what a capable jeep can get through or up :camp:
I agree with you....damage is done. Rent a dozer and drag it up the hill. Fine the living piss out of the guy and make him rehab the area. Dumb that it is still sitting there.
I don't agree with the sage brush comment....I love my sagebrush.
Post by: bobcat on March 02, 2015, 05:43:34 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 02, 2015, 05:46:44 PM
I also feel he shouldn't be required to have it hauled out with a helicopter. That's just a little too extreme and way too costly. The guy made a dumb mistake. Let him do whatever it takes to get it out of there, and then give him the appropriate fines and punishment, whatever that may be.
Agree! Nobody will notice a few more ruts after spring.
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2015, 05:48:31 PM
First off, I do not condone what this jack wagon did, and this is going to :stirthepot:
BUT
you all sound like a bunch of :tree1:
Its dirt and sage brush, not a meadow of lushes grass being fed on, or the middle of the feed area for deer wintering deer in 2 feet of snow.
Get that thing up that ridge, and have the dumb arse take a shovel, some seeds and take care of the dirt he disturbed.
Rent a dozer and get ot out of there....jeesh......
And you gusy would be suprised what a capable jeep can get through or up :camp:
So if there's Jeep tracks all over the place tearing up winter range and running wintering deer all over the place, that's ok? In an area like that, with constant dirtbike/jeep/snowmachine traffic harrassing the animals...what would you think?
I do think the helicopter thing is a little on the heavy side, but wow.
Post by: gasman on March 02, 2015, 05:53:50 PM
First off, I do not condone what this jack wagon did, and this is going to :stirthepot:
BUT
you all sound like a bunch of :tree1:
Its dirt and sage brush, not a meadow of lushes grass being fed on, or the middle of the feed area for deer wintering deer in 2 feet of snow.
Get that thing up that ridge, and have the dumb arse take a shovel, some seeds and take care of the dirt he disturbed.
Rent a dozer and get ot out of there....jeesh......
And you gusy would be suprised what a capable jeep can get through or up :camp:
So if there's Jeep tracks all over the place tearing up winter range and running wintering deer all over the place, that's ok? In an area like that, with constant dirtbike/jeep/snowmachine traffic harrassing the animals...what would you think?
I do think the helicopter thing is a little on the heavy side, but wow.
At no point did I say I condone what he did or encourage off road travel in my post, so where did you come up with that :dunno:
Post by: mountainman on March 02, 2015, 06:02:52 PM
agree..let's not start putting words in others mouth.First off, I do not condone what this jack wagon did, and this is going to :stirthepot:
BUT
you all sound like a bunch of :tree1:
Its dirt and sage brush, not a meadow of lushes grass being fed on, or the middle of the feed area for deer wintering deer in 2 feet of snow.
Get that thing up that ridge, and have the dumb arse take a shovel, some seeds and take care of the dirt he disturbed.
Rent a dozer and get ot out of there....jeesh......
And you gusy would be suprised what a capable jeep can get through or up :camp:
So if there's Jeep tracks all over the place tearing up winter range and running wintering deer all over the place, that's ok? In an area like that, with constant dirtbike/jeep/snowmachine traffic harrassing the animals...what would you think?
I do think the helicopter thing is a little on the heavy side, but wow.
At no point did I say I condone what he did or encourage off road travel in my post, so where did you come up with that :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2015, 06:04:28 PM
First off, I do not condone what this jack wagon did, and this is going to :stirthepot:
BUT
you all sound like a bunch of :tree1:
Its dirt and sage brush, not a meadow of lushes grass being fed on, or the middle of the feed area for deer wintering deer in 2 feet of snow.
Get that thing up that ridge, and have the dumb arse take a shovel, some seeds and take care of the dirt he disturbed.
Rent a dozer and get ot out of there....jeesh......
And you gusy would be suprised what a capable jeep can get through or up :camp:
So if there's Jeep tracks all over the place tearing up winter range and running wintering deer all over the place, that's ok? In an area like that, with constant dirtbike/jeep/snowmachine traffic harrassing the animals...what would you think?
I do think the helicopter thing is a little on the heavy side, but wow.
At no point did I say I condone what he did or encourage off road travel in my post, so where did you come up with that :dunno:
I don't think you condoned it either, but you sure made it sound like you thought it was not that big of a deal.
You assumed you were going to stir the pot, and you did.
I'm not what I would call a tree hugger. The last thing the Entiat needs to go along with natives hunting and irresponsible shed hunters runni9ng up and down every mountain out there harrassing the deer is a stinkin Jeep bombing around all over hell and back. He did that...it's a fact.
Post by: _TONY_ on March 02, 2015, 06:19:44 PM
The fee to carrier it out of there is probably 100 times more expensive then the ticket he might get for trying to drive it out of there... I've got my money on him trying to sneak it out.up to a $5000 fine, and if civil charges are filed by forest service, he will be liable for restoration costs.
Well, he drove it out there, so he's already guilty and liable for restoration costs :twocents:
Post by: bigtex on March 02, 2015, 06:33:18 PM
Make or model of the vehicle has no bearing on the offense. When you operate a vehicle off the road you fall under the same laws as ATVs/ORVs. State law defines a "nonhighway vehicle" as any motorized vehicle including an ORV when used for recreational purposes on nonhighway roads, trails, or a variety of other natural terrainI don't get it bigtex, What does a Nissan Pathfinder have to do with an ATV/ORV ticket?? Two different classifications of motor vehicle.Years ago on the West hill in Kent (516) I was maybe two minutes late to watch a guy roll a brand spanking new, tag in the window Pathfinder. Dust was still in the air....Guy made it maybe 20 feet up one of those end of road/ steep gravelly hillsides begging for testing your 4wd.... Uh, yeah he screwed the pooch and somehow got is sideways and rolled it....His wife was not too happy looking, "chatting" him up from the pavement. Sometimes guys do this to themselves.....Amazing how many ATV/ORV tickets one can write in the cities. That situation is one example.
RCW 46.09.470(1)(g) states it is illegal to operate a nonhighway vehicle "on lands not owned by the operator or owner of the nonhighway vehicle in any area or in such a manner so as to unreasonably expose the underlying soil, or to create an erosion condition, or to injure, damage, or destroy trees, growing crops, or other vegetation;"
So the individual who drives the Nissan Pathfinder up the gravel hillslide falls under the same laws as the guy who takes his quad.
Post by: Band on March 02, 2015, 06:35:53 PM
Post by: antlerking on March 02, 2015, 06:50:23 PM
If it wasn't for the jeep I would have not hiked over there!!!!!!
Ribbion cliff gets hammered more then oklahima gulch!!! I amaized to find anything up there little alone a monster WA
BUCK
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 02, 2015, 07:09:52 PM
Come on everyone look at the bright side, I picked up a 160+ brown set 300 yards from that there jeep yesterday!!!!!pics or it aint true!!! :chuckle: :dunno:
If it wasn't for the jeep I would have not hiked over there!!!!!!
Ribbion cliff gets hammered more then oklahima gulch!!! I amaized to find anything up there little alone a monster WA
BUCK
Post by: quadrafire on March 02, 2015, 07:21:48 PM
That is a crazy place to try out a new set of wheels :dunno: alcohol influenced or impressing a new girlfriend??????
Post by: fastdam on March 02, 2015, 07:24:42 PM
First off, I do not condone what this jack wagon did, and this is going to :stirthepot:
BUT
you all sound like a bunch of :tree1:
Its dirt and sage brush, not a meadow of lushes grass being fed on, or the middle of the feel area for deer wintering deer in 2 feet of snow.
Get that thing up that ridge, and have the dumb arse take a shovel, some seeds and take care of the dirt he disturbed.
Rent a dozer and get ot out of there....jeesh......
And you gusy would be suprised what a capable jeep can get through or up :camp:
I 100 percent agree with this post. It's not the huge deal these guys make it out to be. No need to try and ruin his life.
Post by: Buckmania on March 02, 2015, 07:31:00 PM
First off, I do not condone what this jack wagon did, and this is going to :stirthepot:
BUT
you all sound like a bunch of :tree1:
Its dirt and sage brush, not a meadow of lushes grass being fed on, or the middle of the feel area for deer wintering deer in 2 feet of snow.
Get that thing up that ridge, and have the dumb arse take a shovel, some seeds and take care of the dirt he disturbed.
Rent a dozer and get ot out of there....jeesh......
And you gusy would be suprised what a capable jeep can get through or up :camp:
I 100 percent agree with this post. It's not the huge deal these guys make it out to be. No need to try and ruin hid life.
x100.
Talk about hitting a fly with a sledge hammer. Yeah it's critical habitat but he most likely made a poor decision that SNOWBALLED into a costly/embarrassing/horrible situation. I highly doubt there's going to be huge die off as a result of this damage. I don't know the guy so maybe I'm wrong, but be sensible and get a dozer and get his rig out of there. Obviously it's already going to be costly, no sense on making absurdly costly by making him use a friggin helicopter that he could possibly have to pay (depending on his financial situation) on the rest of his life.
Post by: bobcat on March 02, 2015, 07:34:30 PM
Talk about hitting a fly with a sledge hammer. Yeah it's critical habitat but he most likely made a poor decision that SNOWBALLED into a costly/embarrassing/horrible situation. I highly doubt there's going to be huge die off as a result of this damage. I don't know the guy so maybe I'm wrong, but be sensible and get a dozer and get his rig out of there. Obviously it's already going to be costly, no sense on making absurdly costly by making him use a friggin helicopter that he could possibly have to pay (depending on his financial situation) on the rest of his life.
Well said. :tup:
I sure hope we get to hear the final outcome of this.
Post by: Whitpirate on March 02, 2015, 07:35:01 PM
I'm told that the Jeep is still there because he's been told the only way the Jeep is coming off of that hill is via air carrier. Rumor from a relatively solid source. He's not allowed to try and drive it out.the fine for driving it out is sure to be less then th cost of flying it out.
Yup
Post by: bobcat on March 02, 2015, 07:36:45 PM
I'm told that the Jeep is still there because he's been told the only way the Jeep is coming off of that hill is via air carrier. Rumor from a relatively solid source. He's not allowed to try and drive it out.the fine for driving it out is sure to be less then th cost of flying it out.
Yup
Besides, he already drove it in there, so I assume he won't be fined anymore for driving it out. :dunno:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 02, 2015, 07:42:33 PM
Talk about hitting a fly with a sledge hammer. Yeah it's critical habitat but he most likely made a poor decision that SNOWBALLED into a costly/embarrassing/horrible situation. I highly doubt there's going to be huge die off as a result of this damage. I don't know the guy so maybe I'm wrong, but be sensible and get a dozer and get his rig out of there. Obviously it's already going to be costly, no sense on making absurdly costly by making him use a friggin helicopter that he could possibly have to pay (depending on his financial situation) on the rest of his life.
Well said. :tup:
I sure hope we get to hear the final outcome of this.
Post by: fastdam on March 02, 2015, 07:43:14 PM
Post by: mountainman on March 02, 2015, 07:44:06 PM
Chaining up and driving out is the best idea i have read.:yeah:
Post by: timberghost72 on March 02, 2015, 07:49:44 PM
Better to ask for forgiveness than permission. After all, he probably was just following his in dash GPS for the shortest route to the hwy :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 02, 2015, 08:02:45 PM
Here is a picture taken from the other side of the river that might give you a better idea of the magnitude of where the jeep sits. This ground is not hard, it's soft,loamy, crushed granite, the kind of stuff you take one step up and slide back two. The red X is basically where the two track dirt road ends, the red circle is where the jeep sits, yellow line is basic route of decent.
Post by: RadSav on March 02, 2015, 08:03:03 PM
:yeah:
Better to ask for forgiveness than permission. After all, he probably was just following his in dash GPS for the shortest route to the hwy :chuckle: :chuckle:
It's Mayhem's fault, honest!! :chuckle:
Beer and weed had nothing to do with it!
Post by: UBA on March 02, 2015, 08:03:19 PM
Post by: Buckmania on March 02, 2015, 08:08:42 PM
There are parts of that hill I wouldn't want to go down in a dozer without a full blade of material.
That guy is probably lucky to be alive!
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 02, 2015, 08:10:20 PM
Post by: fastdam on March 02, 2015, 08:11:17 PM
Post by: UBA on March 02, 2015, 08:28:53 PM
Post by: jrebel on March 02, 2015, 08:32:24 PM
I would love to hear what was going through his head when this all went down.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 02, 2015, 08:34:16 PM
Wow....that's a lot farther down the hill than i realized. What was he doing there? :oThat is insane, wth was he thinking. I'm thinking Jackalope is right, it looks like a helicopter is his best bet getting it out. What an expensive screw up.
Post by: KFhunter on March 02, 2015, 08:34:45 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.americantracktruck.com%2Fuploads%2Fimages%2Fjeep%2FATT%252094%2520Jeep%2520Wrangler%2520005.jpg&hash=4c754d91bf3acc70962953efe2da48f72db01ad2)
Post by: JWEBB on March 02, 2015, 08:46:12 PM
A lot of folks keep saying to drive it out of there. Like JH nimrod said, You would need a beast of a rig to make that climb back out.....if all went reasonably well. OR the guy could roll it trying and scatter parts and fluids all the way down the hill to the orchard below, increasing the damage and more than likely ending his life.
Here is a picture taken from the other side of the river that might give you a better idea of the magnitude of where the jeep sits. This ground is not hard, it's soft,loamy, crushed granite, the kind of stuff you take one step up and slide back two. The red X is basically where the two track dirt road ends, the red circle is where the jeep sits, yellow line is basic route of decent.
Wow that gives me a way better perspective on this thread. That looks like a death trap for sure!
Post by: theshade on March 02, 2015, 08:50:09 PM
Post by: 2labs on March 02, 2015, 08:59:06 PM
I hope this Mark is a wet behind the ears 16 year old that swiped dads new jeep.
Post by: h2ofowlr on March 02, 2015, 09:04:51 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 02, 2015, 09:06:48 PM
A lot of folks keep saying to drive it out of there. Like JH nimrod said, You would need a beast of a rig to make that climb back out.....if all went reasonably well. OR the guy could roll it trying and scatter parts and fluids all the way down the hill to the orchard below, increasing the damage and more than likely ending his life.
Here is a picture taken from the other side of the river that might give you a better idea of the magnitude of where the jeep sits. This ground is not hard, it's soft,loamy, crushed granite, the kind of stuff you take one step up and slide back two. The red X is basically where the two track dirt road ends, the red circle is where the jeep sits, yellow line is basic route of decent.
Thanks for the pic, it is a much better perspective than I have. Finally people can see what pickle he is in.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 02, 2015, 09:13:27 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 02, 2015, 09:13:51 PM
He needs to find a buddy with a cat to pull him out of that spot.
I know some of the guys who dozer fire line, they go down some steep ground, but there is a reason this ridge had a hand dug fire line.
What would stick out more? A stuck red Jeep or a stuck red Jeep and a stuck dozer? :)
Post by: Buckmania on March 02, 2015, 09:26:39 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 02, 2015, 09:32:09 PM
He needs to find a buddy with a cat to pull him out of that spot.
I know some of the guys who dozer fire line, they go down some steep ground, but there is a reason this ridge had a hand dug fire line.
What would stick out more? A stuck red Jeep or a stuck red Jeep and a stuck dozer? :)
A snowcat might do it :chuckle:
Post by: netcoyote on March 02, 2015, 09:39:28 PM
A lot of folks keep saying to drive it out of there. Like JH nimrod said, You would need a beast of a rig to make that climb back out.....if all went reasonably well. OR the guy could roll it trying and scatter parts and fluids all the way down the hill to the orchard below, increasing the damage and more than likely ending his life.
Here is a picture taken from the other side of the river that might give you a better idea of the magnitude of where the jeep sits. This ground is not hard, it's soft,loamy, crushed granite, the kind of stuff you take one step up and slide back two. The red X is basically where the two track dirt road ends, the red circle is where the jeep sits, yellow line is basic route of decent.
So I'm confused now. Do the tracks prove that he got in the position by driving UP the hill or did he come down from the road at the top and then turn around somehow to try to drive back out? :dunno:
Can't imagine turning around on that stuff...
Post by: KFhunter on March 02, 2015, 09:51:48 PM
plenty of rock outcrops to anchor the winch too, take some air out the tires would help a ton.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 02, 2015, 10:06:34 PM
A lot of folks keep saying to drive it out of there. Like JH nimrod said, You would need a beast of a rig to make that climb back out.....if all went reasonably well. OR the guy could roll it trying and scatter parts and fluids all the way down the hill to the orchard below, increasing the damage and more than likely ending his life.
Here is a picture taken from the other side of the river that might give you a better idea of the magnitude of where the jeep sits. This ground is not hard, it's soft,loamy, crushed granite, the kind of stuff you take one step up and slide back two. The red X is basically where the two track dirt road ends, the red circle is where the jeep sits, yellow line is basic route of decent.
So I'm confused now. Do the tracks prove that he got in the position by driving UP the hill or did he come down from the road at the top and then turn around somehow to try to drive back out? :dunno:
Can't imagine turning around on that stuff...
He came in from the top and it looked like he tried and failed to turn around once or twice before he found a hump he could pull onto then reverse off to be pointed back uphill. That was as far as he got. It looks like he spent quite a bit of time spinning his wheels trying to ascend again but all he managed to do was slowly carve trenches down the hill. He went backwards about 30' while trying to go forward, kind of like being on an icy hill and sliding backwards even though all four wheels are trying to go forward.
Post by: huntnphool on March 02, 2015, 10:28:33 PM
First off, I do not condone what this jack wagon did, and this is going to :stirthepot:I 100 percent agree with this post. It's not the huge deal these guys make it out to be. No need to try and ruin his life.
BUT
you all sound like a bunch of :tree1:
Its dirt and sage brush, not a meadow of lushes grass being fed on, or the middle of the feel area for deer wintering deer in 2 feet of snow.
Get that thing up that ridge, and have the dumb arse take a shovel, some seeds and take care of the dirt he disturbed.
Rent a dozer and get ot out of there....jeesh......
And you gusy would be suprised what a capable jeep can get through or up :camp:
BS, it's all critacle winter range and the dip sh@ made a conscious decision to ignore that fact and go off the two track. That is completely unacceptable and he should lose his jeep for the habitat restoration. :twocents:
Post by: Katmai Guy on March 02, 2015, 10:35:41 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 02, 2015, 10:42:25 PM
The state is not in the used car business. Fine him and make him rehab the the damage to a condition acceptable to a state bio., at his expense. JMHO
Really? :chuckle:
You are clearly in the dark then, it would blow your mind how much the state makes on drug seizures.
Post by: mountainman on March 02, 2015, 10:57:23 PM
Post by: Katmai Guy on March 02, 2015, 11:03:27 PM
Crappy thing is, neither confiscation or responsibility for cost of rehab will happen if the RCW lists a fine up to $5000 as the penalty.
Post by: zike on March 02, 2015, 11:10:43 PM
Now if that heap was a Rubicon with a posi and front locker he'd have a better chance to crawl out.
Post by: huntnphool on March 02, 2015, 11:23:13 PM
I realize they make a bunch of money from seizures but the stuff goes for pennies on the dollar. In this case I don't feel they would get back enough from the sale to cover the cost of rehab of the habitat to original condition.
Crappy thing is, neither confiscation or responsibility for cost of rehab will happen if the RCW lists a fine up to $5000 as the penalty.
Pennies on the dollar add up! Even if the state spent the money to get this jeep out and then auctioned it off, they would be money ahead. :twocents:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 03, 2015, 05:17:21 AM
Post by: skeeter 20i on March 03, 2015, 07:07:44 AM
Talk about hitting a fly with a sledge hammer. Yeah it's critical habitat but he most likely made a poor decision that SNOWBALLED into a costly/embarrassing/horrible situation. I highly doubt there's going to be huge die off as a result of this damage. I don't know the guy so maybe I'm wrong, but be sensible and get a dozer and get his rig out of there. Obviously it's already going to be costly, no sense on making absurdly costly by making him use a friggin helicopter that he could possibly have to pay (depending on his financial situation) on the rest of his life.
Well said. :tup:
I sure hope we get to hear the final outcome of this.
Agreed, help him get his jeep out of there and let him make it right by restoring the ground. It was a mistake a really dumb one but I don't think it rises to the level of burning the guy at the stake for his sins against the dirt.
Post by: fastdam on March 03, 2015, 07:08:13 AM
First off, I do not condone what this jack wagon did, and this is going to :stirthepot:I 100 percent agree with this post. It's not the huge deal these guys make it out to be. No need to try and ruin his life.
BUT
you all sound like a bunch of :tree1:
Its dirt and sage brush, not a meadow of lushes grass being fed on, or the middle of the feel area for deer wintering deer in 2 feet of snow.
Get that thing up that ridge, and have the dumb arse take a shovel, some seeds and take care of the dirt he disturbed.
Rent a dozer and get ot out of there....jeesh......
And you gusy would be suprised what a capable jeep can get through or up :camp:
BS, it's all critacle winter range and the dip sh@ made a conscious decision to ignore that fact and go off the two track. That is completely unacceptable and he should lose his jeep for the habitat restoration. :twocents:
Looks to me like he made a mistake and it's going to cost him. He's lucky to be alive. He didn't destroy the hillside. Grass will still grow there and will have zero impact on animals. Zero. Get a grip. The world isn't gonna stop turning over his mistake. I Ibet not even 1 animal is impacted by that.
Post by: Buckmania on March 03, 2015, 08:02:23 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 03, 2015, 09:04:55 AM
The fine should be flat rate in my opinion. Steep fine. None of this "whatever it costs to fix the ground..." nonsense. How do you fix moss, old sagebrush and crumbly rock?
When dealing with this kind of thing, it helps to maintain perspective. This clown wasn't doing it to scare animals off wintering ground and to tear up the hillside. When little kids splash around in the shallows and reeds, they aren't doing it because they hate Crappie nests.
Ignorance is the problem here and education (with a fine) is the way to handle it.
Honestly the most shocking thing to me is that incredible confidence in the Jeep.
Post by: full choke on March 03, 2015, 09:09:34 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 03, 2015, 09:14:15 AM
I have zero sympathy for the guy. If an airlift is what is required to get him out, so be it. Why should you feel sorry for him and not want to make things worse? He clearly ignored the signs, and drove- off road- into a sensitive area. He is lucky he didn't roll that thing already. What then? Maybe there would have been an expensive rescue mission, maybe a responder gets hurt trying to save his life? Just dumb all around. We hear too much talk these days of the pussification of America. This is a good example. "Poor guy has suffered enough, why ruin his life over this mistake"... Why doesn't he just own up and take care of it no matter the cost? He did it, the taxpayers didn't. He chose to drive down there, he should take the responsibility to remedy the situation- whatever that costs, Airlifts, fines, rehab, etc. I'll bet he won't do that again...
I don't have any sympathy either. I think it was a really dumb series of decisions that are not justifiable. This guy probably doesn't have much money left for an airlift after buying the most overpriced vehicle in America :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on March 03, 2015, 09:19:46 AM
The vitriol is waist deep on this one :o Some useful, some of it is silly in my mind.
The fine should be flat rate in my opinion. Steep fine. None of this "whatever it costs to fix the ground..." nonsense. How do you fix moss, old sagebrush and crumbly rock?
When dealing with this kind of thing, it helps to maintain perspective. This clown wasn't doing it to scare animals off wintering ground and to tear up the hillside. When little kids splash around in the shallows and reeds, they aren't doing it because they hate Crappie nests.
Ignorance is the problem here and education (with a fine) is the way to handle it.
Honestly the most shocking thing to me is that incredible confidence in the Jeep.
:yeah:
my biggest concern with the ground would be erosion with those ruts, but the ground is so rocky probably not too big of a concern.
I'd be for him going up there and raking out the ruts and sprinkling grass seed or whatever and paying a fine for driving in an illegal area, but I'm not for making him chopper it out.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on March 03, 2015, 09:27:30 AM
I have zero sympathy for the guy. If an airlift is what is required to get him out, so be it. Why should you feel sorry for him and not want to make things worse? He clearly ignored the signs, and drove- off road- into a sensitive area. He is lucky he didn't roll that thing already. What then? Maybe there would have been an expensive rescue mission, maybe a responder gets hurt trying to save his life? Just dumb all around. We hear too much talk these days of the pussification of America. This is a good example. "Poor guy has suffered enough, why ruin his life over this mistake"... Why doesn't he just own up and take care of it no matter the cost? He did it, the taxpayers didn't. He chose to drive down there, he should take the responsibility to remedy the situation- whatever that costs, Airlifts, fines, rehab, etc. I'll bet he won't do that again...
Lets see what the guy does to own up to this mistake before we put him on a cross. He could be working with the powers that be on a plan to get this thing out in the best possible way for all parties involved and make reparations. People make mistakes all the time, as have you. I am sure you were thankful for a little grace when it was given.
Post by: skeeter 20i on March 03, 2015, 09:28:53 AM
I might take it one step further and give him some community service working to improve other habitat in the area.
A little manual labor to help remind him not to be so careless in the future.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 03, 2015, 09:30:30 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 03, 2015, 10:29:48 AM
Dozer would add to the resource damage, and some one would still have to be in the jeep during the retrieval, :yike: way to risky for authorities to go this route.
That leaves the Heli. as the only logical, safe, and reasonable way to remove it. Sucks for him, but lessons are learned the hard way sometimes.
As a HUGE supporter of ATV/UTV's, this whole deal makes a great statement for our user group. ATV's are not the only vehicle out there that destroys resources......Yet a lot of folks are against them and do not feel they should be allowed on the forest roads. Are you one of those anti ATV people? How would you feel that because of this guys actions the FS decides to close down the roads to Jeeps, P/U, Car, Cycle, etc.?
It's been said on here many times, and in the bottom of Bearpaws posts. THANKS DALE
"Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, & voting away each others rights. Support all user groups and quit losing opportunity"
Post by: Woodchuck on March 03, 2015, 10:35:42 AM
Post by: fair-chase on March 03, 2015, 10:47:27 AM
As a HUGE supporter of ATV/UTV's, this whole deal makes a great statement for our user group. ATV's are not the only vehicle out there that destroys resources......Yet a lot of folks are against them and do not feel they should be allowed on the forest roads. Are you one of those anti ATV people? How would you feel that because of this guys actions the FS decides to close down the roads to Jeeps, P/U, Car, Cycle, etc.?
This has nothing to do with roads. This guy is clearly not on a road.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 03, 2015, 10:49:25 AM
As a HUGE supporter of ATV/UTV's, this whole deal makes a great statement for our user group. ATV's are not the only vehicle out there that destroys resources......Yet a lot of folks are against them and do not feel they should be allowed on the forest roads. Are you one of those anti ATV people? How would you feel that because of this guys actions the FS decides to close down the roads to Jeeps, P/U, Car, Cycle, etc.?
This has nothing to do with roads. This guy is clearly not on a road.
School shootings have nothing to do with legal gun ownership either.
All those people need is a foot in the door to start their next set of controlling rules.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 03, 2015, 10:59:06 AM
As a HUGE supporter of ATV/UTV's, this whole deal makes a great statement for our user group. ATV's are not the only vehicle out there that destroys resources......Yet a lot of folks are against them and do not feel they should be allowed on the forest roads. Are you one of those anti ATV people? How would you feel that because of this guys actions the FS decides to close down the roads to Jeeps, P/U, Car, Cycle, etc.?
This has nothing to do with roads. This guy is clearly not on a road.
My Bad, I was POSITIVE he was on a road :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Sorry ya missed the point. Maybe this will help ;) read again.
Post by: Elkrunner on March 03, 2015, 11:02:14 AM
Post by: RockChuck on March 03, 2015, 11:24:32 AM
I will see if I can find the article.
Post by: ghosthunter on March 03, 2015, 11:27:27 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 03, 2015, 11:40:53 AM
Post by: mulehunter on March 03, 2015, 11:57:51 AM
Post by: RockChuck on March 03, 2015, 12:23:16 PM
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2009/02/24/488515/truck-stuck-on-badger-mtn-pulled.html (http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2009/02/24/488515/truck-stuck-on-badger-mtn-pulled.html)
Post by: RockChuck on March 03, 2015, 12:24:54 PM
http://www.peakputters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1262&highlight=badger (http://www.peakputters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1262&highlight=badger)
Post by: fastdam on March 03, 2015, 12:27:55 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on March 03, 2015, 12:47:23 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2015, 12:48:07 PM
It's laughable that driving off the road "destroys winter range". Animals tend to make trails on the range too. Trails don't destroy the the range. Thank God or father's took their jeeps off road before all the city people started making it illegal, as a result we now have trails that help us access the wild areas with our vehicles. All the deer are not gonna die because of this guy. The guy who did this is the largest victim of his own mistake. No one else has been victimized
Show me the last time a mule deer buck buried itself up to it's axles on the side of a near cliff.
While I don't disagree with you that all of the deer are not going to die because of this....it's laughable to me that you think driving off road doesn't destroy winter range. It's the damage to the ground and sage, etc along with stress to the deer at their most crucial point all probably in the name of greed and shed hunting. Orrr just being stupid with a new toy.
Post by: fastdam on March 03, 2015, 12:59:33 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 03, 2015, 01:10:31 PM
Maybe I should shoot lead shot, not everyone, just me.
I suppose this summer I can pull pots at night for crab. So what if I end up with a few extra, its just me.
He knowingly broke the rules. He knowingly damaged property. Yes, its only one guy. Yes, in the grand scheme of things its only one patch of dirt. Yes, animals are minimally impacted by this one act.
I'd bet you $100 he has done this more than once. I'd bet you $100 he has torn up more ground than just this.
Rules, penalties, and fines are in place to punish the individual that breaks the law. In turn, the entire group is shown that one subset of outdoors recreation is not above the other. If this person is not held fully accountable then why should anyone else with a jeep, a quad, a dirtbike, be held accountable?
Punish him to the full extent of the law. Why? Because he deserves it.
Post by: _TONY_ on March 03, 2015, 01:31:05 PM
Let the guy get his rig out, fine him, and make him do 1200 hours community service with the Central Washington chapter of Mule Deer Foundation so he can fully understand why this issue is so important.
:twocents:
Post by: JBar on March 03, 2015, 01:49:11 PM
Post by: b23 on March 03, 2015, 01:53:56 PM
Geez, why not just form a lynch party, get a rope and string up this no good S.O.B. from the nearest tall tree. And to make sure you all get your point across, you better do the lynching in a real public place, as to be a deterrent for any other low life scum that makes a mistake in judgement.
So, I'm curious, for those of you that have been so critical of this individuals decision making, what's it like to be "perfect"???
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 03, 2015, 01:55:51 PM
Post by: mfswallace on March 03, 2015, 02:01:37 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 03, 2015, 02:03:16 PM
Some of you act like you won't be happy till this person is publicly humiliated, financially ruined, loses his vehicle, and goes to jail for the rest of his life, oh, and all of that will be after he restores the ground back to its virgin state. If he has a wife and kid/s, what do you think, make em indentured servants to the State to do hard labor for the rest of their life, because hell, anyone who would marry such a low life POS could never be trusted not to make a mistake of their own and the kid/s would have his/her blood so, naturally, they could never be trusted to not make a mistake.
Geez, why not just form a lynch party, get a rope and string up this no good S.O.B. from the nearest tall tree. And to make sure you all get your point across, you better do the lynching in a real public place, as to be a deterrent for any other low life scum that makes a mistake in judgement.
So, I'm curious, for those of you that have been so critical of this individuals decision making, what's it like to be "perfect"???
Here is what I would say. He broke the law knowingly. He should accept the punishment that is doled out. If it is a slap on the wrist and minimal, so be it. If it is massive in the form of payment, needing a heli to get it out, so be it.
He made his bed, now he lays in it. Easy as that.
Nope, not perfect. Fished once with a barb on my hook where I wasn't supposed to. I should have read the regs better. I paid my $200 fine and kept my mouth shut about it being a simple mistake and I didn't mean to. He did this on purpose and should accept whatever penalty he faces.
Post by: fastdam on March 03, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on March 03, 2015, 02:43:25 PM
I'm still really curious how he's gonna get his jeep back. After seeing the picture of the whole mountain and his route, I saw lyrics Goodluck dude. I changed my mind about driving it out. It's so far and he will probably die if he rolls coming out.
What if they got a team of 100 horses or mules or more and pulled him out? Or however many they needed? Could it work?
Post by: TeacherMan on March 03, 2015, 02:45:56 PM
Some of you act like you won't be happy till this person is publicly humiliated, financially ruined, loses his vehicle, and goes to jail for the rest of his life, oh, and all of that will be after he restores the ground back to its virgin state. If he has a wife and kid/s, what do you think, make em indentured servants to the State to do hard labor for the rest of their life, because hell, anyone who would marry such a low life POS could never be trusted not to make a mistake of their own and the kid/s would have his/her blood so, naturally, they could never be trusted to not make a mistake.
Geez, why not just form a lynch party, get a rope and string up this no good S.O.B. from the nearest tall tree. And to make sure you all get your point across, you better do the lynching in a real public place, as to be a deterrent for any other low life scum that makes a mistake in judgement.
So, I'm curious, for those of you that have been so critical of this individuals decision making, what's it like to be "perfect"???
Here is what I would say. He broke the law knowingly. He should accept the punishment that is doled out. If it is a slap on the wrist and minimal, so be it. If it is massive in the form of payment, needing a heli to get it out, so be it.
He made his bed, now he lays in it. Easy as that.
Nope, not perfect. Fished once with a barb on my hook where I wasn't supposed to. I should have read the regs better. I paid my $200 fine and kept my mouth shut about it being a simple mistake and I didn't mean to. He did this on purpose and should accept whatever penalty he faces.
Considering he left his full name and number I'm not sure he realized he broke the law :chuckle:
Post by: Buckmark on March 03, 2015, 02:46:59 PM
Post by: mountainman on March 03, 2015, 03:08:19 PM
guess we need to rehab all the miles of forest service roads? They are way more invasive are they not? Fences? Housing? Letting forest fires burn then wait for the spring erosion?It's laughable that driving off the road "destroys winter range". Animals tend to make trails on the range too. Trails don't destroy the the range. Thank God or father's took their jeeps off road before all the city people started making it illegal, as a result we now have trails that help us access the wild areas with our vehicles. All the deer are not gonna die because of this guy. The guy who did this is the largest victim of his own mistake. No one else has been victimized
Show me the last time a mule deer buck buried itself up to it's axles on the side of a near cliff.
While I don't disagree with you that all of the deer are not going to die because of this....it's laughable to me that you think driving off road doesn't destroy winter range. It's the damage to the ground and sage, etc along with stress to the deer at their most crucial point all probably in the name of greed and shed hunting. Orrr just being stupid with a new toy.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 03, 2015, 03:20:43 PM
:beatdeadhorse::yeah:
What's done is done. His name is out for everybody to see. He's obviously going to pay some big money to get the rig out along with fines. While I surely don't condone his actions, I don't feel he deserves punishment above and beyond anybody else that's been caught driving off roads. Public embarrassment and the cost he will pay to get the jeep off the hill, along with the fines from USFS, WDFW, or WSP should be substantial. :twocents:
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 03, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
guess we need to rehab all the miles of forest service roads? They are way more invasive are they not? Fences? Housing? Letting forest fires burn then wait for the spring erosion?It's laughable that driving off the road "destroys winter range". Animals tend to make trails on the range too. Trails don't destroy the the range. Thank God or father's took their jeeps off road before all the city people started making it illegal, as a result we now have trails that help us access the wild areas with our vehicles. All the deer are not gonna die because of this guy. The guy who did this is the largest victim of his own mistake. No one else has been victimized
Show me the last time a mule deer buck buried itself up to it's axles on the side of a near cliff.
While I don't disagree with you that all of the deer are not going to die because of this....it's laughable to me that you think driving off road doesn't destroy winter range. It's the damage to the ground and sage, etc along with stress to the deer at their most crucial point all probably in the name of greed and shed hunting. Orrr just being stupid with a new toy.
One by one these are already happening D. Level 1 roads are the 1st to go when the F.S. MVUM gets completed.
Post by: fastdam on March 03, 2015, 03:51:31 PM
guess we need to rehab all the miles of forest service roads? They are way more invasive are they not? Fences? Housing? Letting forest fires burn then wait for the spring erosion?It's laughable that driving off the road "destroys winter range". Animals tend to make trails on the range too. Trails don't destroy the the range. Thank God or father's took their jeeps off road before all the city people started making it illegal, as a result we now have trails that help us access the wild areas with our vehicles. All the deer are not gonna die because of this guy. The guy who did this is the largest victim of his own mistake. No one else has been victimized
Show me the last time a mule deer buck buried itself up to it's axles on the side of a near cliff.
While I don't disagree with you that all of the deer are not going to die because of this....it's laughable to me that you think driving off road doesn't destroy winter range. It's the damage to the ground and sage, etc along with stress to the deer at their most crucial point all probably in the name of greed and shed hunting. Orrr just being stupid with a new toy.
One by one these are already happening D. Level 1 roads are the 1st to go when the F.S. MVUM gets completed.
and it all fits with Agenda 21. The plan to remove us all from wild and rural places. I wish people would realize there is an agenda and it is in motion.
Post by: kirkl on March 03, 2015, 04:07:38 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 03, 2015, 04:13:06 PM
Man you guys can beat a dead horse a different million ways and still come up with 10 more ways after those million are done.
Makes you wish you'd never posted eh?
"Updated Topics"
Idiot in the Entiat
Idiot in the Entiat
Idiot in the Entiat
Idiot in the Entiat
Idiot in the Entiat
Idiot in the Entiat
Idiot in the Entiat
:chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on March 03, 2015, 04:16:55 PM
I have zero sympathy for the guy. If an airlift is what is required to get him out, so be it. Why should you feel sorry for him and not want to make things worse? He clearly ignored the signs, and drove- off road- into a sensitive area. He is lucky he didn't roll that thing already. What then? Maybe there would have been an expensive rescue mission, maybe a responder gets hurt trying to save his life? Just dumb all around. We hear too much talk these days of the pussification of America. This is a good example. "Poor guy has suffered enough, why ruin his life over this mistake"... Why doesn't he just own up and take care of it no matter the cost? He did it, the taxpayers didn't. He chose to drive down there, he should take the responsibility to remedy the situation- whatever that costs, Airlifts, fines, rehab, etc. I'll bet he won't do that again...
Lets see what the guy does to own up to this mistake before we put him on a cross. He could be working with the powers that be on a plan to get this thing out in the best possible way for all parties involved and make reparations. People make mistakes all the time, as have you. I am sure you were thankful for a little grace when it was given.
I'd rather be pleasantly surprised when someone owns up to their mistakes, rather than be disappointed when they don't.
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2015, 04:27:45 PM
guess we need to rehab all the miles of forest service roads? They are way more invasive are they not? Fences? Housing? Letting forest fires burn then wait for the spring erosion?It's laughable that driving off the road "destroys winter range". Animals tend to make trails on the range too. Trails don't destroy the the range. Thank God or father's took their jeeps off road before all the city people started making it illegal, as a result we now have trails that help us access the wild areas with our vehicles. All the deer are not gonna die because of this guy. The guy who did this is the largest victim of his own mistake. No one else has been victimized
Show me the last time a mule deer buck buried itself up to it's axles on the side of a near cliff.
While I don't disagree with you that all of the deer are not going to die because of this....it's laughable to me that you think driving off road doesn't destroy winter range. It's the damage to the ground and sage, etc along with stress to the deer at their most crucial point all probably in the name of greed and shed hunting. Orrr just being stupid with a new toy.
So you're good with Jeeps tearing it up over there?
Post by: KFhunter on March 03, 2015, 04:28:37 PM
I'm still really curious how he's gonna get his jeep back. After seeing the picture of the whole mountain and his route, I saw lyrics Goodluck dude. I changed my mind about driving it out. It's so far and he will probably die if he rolls coming out.
What if they got a team of 100 horses or mules or more and pulled him out? Or however many they needed? Could it work?
6 would do it, don't need 100. Probably 4 would do it if the guy was driving the jeep too.
Post by: mountainman on March 03, 2015, 04:39:48 PM
did I say that? No, and that's a silly comment. . You have always been good at trying to put words in people's mouths Jackelope. No one is ok with what happened here. But the holier then throw attitude being played out here by people with too much time on their hands is silly. Guy made a mistake and we all agree he will be punished.guess we need to rehab all the miles of forest service roads? They are way more invasive are they not? Fences? Housing? Letting forest fires burn then wait for the spring erosion?It's laughable that driving off the road "destroys winter range". Animals tend to make trails on the range too. Trails don't destroy the the range. Thank God or father's took their jeeps off road before all the city people started making it illegal, as a result we now have trails that help us access the wild areas with our vehicles. All the deer are not gonna die because of this guy. The guy who did this is the largest victim of his own mistake. No one else has been victimized
Show me the last time a mule deer buck buried itself up to it's axles on the side of a near cliff.
While I don't disagree with you that all of the deer are not going to die because of this....it's laughable to me that you think driving off road doesn't destroy winter range. It's the damage to the ground and sage, etc along with stress to the deer at their most crucial point all probably in the name of greed and shed hunting. Orrr just being stupid with a new toy.
So you're good with Jeeps tearing it up over there?
Post by: Special T on March 03, 2015, 04:40:45 PM
Usually this is the kind of stuff kids in highschool or there abouts pull, and not in a brand new jeep....
Post by: KFhunter on March 03, 2015, 04:46:20 PM
Well worked horses can pull a lot more than folks realize
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww3.pictures.zimbio.com%2Fgi%2FSimon%2BLenihan%2BHorse%2BLogging%2BBalmoral%2BEstate%2BUaOwRjq8is0l.jpg&hash=8891991860c31660d6ceba286f36ae382be7e5fc)
Post by: Special T on March 03, 2015, 04:52:52 PM
KFHunter I dont doubt the Horses just the drivers ability and/or skill...
Post by: KFhunter on March 03, 2015, 05:00:36 PM
Also use a long enough rope to keep the horses on safe ground. I think it could be done and leave very little impact.
Helicopter is risky on a hillside like that, totally not in favor of a helicopter extraction.
That chopper would scare deer a lot more than that jeep did :yike:
Post by: timberfaller on March 03, 2015, 05:05:50 PM
I wonder how many on here who have posted about this, ride dirt bikes during hunting season around here in the Wenatchee area???
Anyone seen the Mt. bikes trails lately? hummmmmmmm :rolleyes:
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2015, 05:12:12 PM
did I say that? No, and that's a silly comment. . You have always been good at trying to put words in people's mouths Jackelope. No one is ok with what happened here. But the holier then throw attitude being played out here by people with too much time on their hands is silly. Guy made a mistake and we all agree he will be punished.guess we need to rehab all the miles of forest service roads? They are way more invasive are they not? Fences? Housing? Letting forest fires burn then wait for the spring erosion?It's laughable that driving off the road "destroys winter range". Animals tend to make trails on the range too. Trails don't destroy the the range. Thank God or father's took their jeeps off road before all the city people started making it illegal, as a result we now have trails that help us access the wild areas with our vehicles. All the deer are not gonna die because of this guy. The guy who did this is the largest victim of his own mistake. No one else has been victimized
Show me the last time a mule deer buck buried itself up to it's axles on the side of a near cliff.
While I don't disagree with you that all of the deer are not going to die because of this....it's laughable to me that you think driving off road doesn't destroy winter range. It's the damage to the ground and sage, etc along with stress to the deer at their most crucial point all probably in the name of greed and shed hunting. Orrr just being stupid with a new toy.
So you're good with Jeeps tearing it up over there?
What did I miss then? I'm not trying to lynch the guy. Not trying to be part of the holier than thou crowd either. I was wondering what the original guys thoughts were before you jumped in. I'm not even concerned with the guy and the jeep specificay anymore. Now I'm interested in hearing what your thoughts are on jeeps and snow machines up there. I'm assuming you spend enough time up there to know that it is a problem in the entiat. There are machines chasing deer all over the place. Jeeps, sleds, dirt bikes, you name it.
Post by: Special T on March 03, 2015, 05:12:22 PM
I know up in our neck of the woods rubbered tired skidders are limited in the ability to use them because of the rules... Tracks are Ok tho... Farther south rubber tired skidders and forwarders are pretty common... That pic just looks like a forwarder misssing the cab and diesel drive train! :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on March 03, 2015, 05:27:29 PM
Post by: hrd2fnd on March 03, 2015, 05:39:11 PM
I figured he left his name and number so it would not get towed... :chuckle:Now that's funny right there. :chuckle:
Post by: raydog on March 03, 2015, 05:50:03 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 03, 2015, 06:58:58 PM
Shouldn't really be bad with a heli up there with a 100' lift line. I have about 100 hours of active helicopter lifting experience moving things a lot more awkward than that Jeep. Winds could be an issue but just pick your day.
I think this guy is getting raked over the coals a bit much in some of these posts, but the fact remains he screwed up BAD! If it were me I would hang my head and expect all the embarrassment dished out. Then figure out how to get the POS off the hill and sell it on EBay as The Jeep that made 11+ pages on HW😄.
Post by: netcoyote on March 03, 2015, 08:06:33 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 03, 2015, 08:09:48 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 03, 2015, 08:16:45 PM
My question is how has this been left in deer hunting for 10 pages :dunno: :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: dreamunelk on March 03, 2015, 08:34:52 PM
Post by: crabcreekhunter on March 03, 2015, 08:45:29 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on March 03, 2015, 08:48:08 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 03, 2015, 08:51:52 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 03, 2015, 08:58:42 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 03, 2015, 09:04:34 PM
Think it will still be there tomorrow? Cant imagine them doing anything tonight!
The body maybe...no wheels, doors, etc. Word finally got out and local strippers are on it.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 03, 2015, 09:09:25 PM
Might just have to go for a drive yet tonight!
Post by: crabcreekhunter on March 03, 2015, 09:18:29 PM
Post by: haugenna on March 03, 2015, 10:18:33 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: ICEMAN on March 03, 2015, 10:20:17 PM
Maybe he should send a bill to the forest service for a new firebreak.
Waiting for helo pics.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 03, 2015, 10:27:14 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 04, 2015, 12:00:35 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 04, 2015, 06:24:53 AM
Post by: chuck270 on March 04, 2015, 07:38:21 AM
I would think that if you could get a log yarder to the top of that "hill" along with extra cable and 3-4 experienced loggers it could be out in half a day?
Post by: Blackjaw on March 04, 2015, 07:50:35 AM
Post by: TheHunt on March 04, 2015, 09:57:25 AM
I like the idea of putting tracks on it as well...
Post by: vandeman17 on March 04, 2015, 09:58:33 AM
Stuck jeep may have to be airlifted
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ENTIAT — Self-employed Wenatchee mental health counselor Mark Brandt is facing a $175 fine for tearing up the mountainside with his brand new Jeep last month.
But it may end up costing a lot more than that to extricate the vehicle from the precariously steep, unstable hillside where it became stuck, 2 miles north of Entiat.
Post by: Ice Cap on March 04, 2015, 10:07:44 AM
Sharpen a flanged axle shaft for a ground anchor.
Several hours later he would be up and out!
Drive to lawyers office and let him deal with it.
Post by: cbond3318 on March 04, 2015, 10:11:11 AM
Article in Wenatchee World
Stuck jeep may have to be airlifted
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But it may end up costing a lot more than that to extricate the vehicle from the precariously steep, unstable hillside where it became stuck, 2 miles north of Entiat.
175$ ??? jeez, I'd pay that twice to be able to drive in and fill my truck with sheds.....
Post by: netcoyote on March 04, 2015, 10:19:26 AM
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Self-employed Wenatchee mental health counselor Mark Brandt....
Maybe he needs a little "self counseling"...
...and...... just how does one go about being a "self employed mental health counselor". Sounds like an interesting gig.
Post by: Igor on March 04, 2015, 10:36:24 AM
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...and...... just how does one go about being a "self employed mental health counselor". Sounds like an interesting gig.
Unlimited opportunities right here on this very forum....................... :chuckle:.
Post by: bobcat on March 04, 2015, 10:48:47 AM
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Post by: jackelope on March 04, 2015, 10:52:18 AM
Post by: baker5150 on March 04, 2015, 10:56:06 AM
Also, my concern would be the next guy up there thinking this fellas tracks are a new road to play on.
Maybe a sign or some good shovel work will remedy the situation.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 04, 2015, 11:00:30 AM
QuoteSelf-employed Wenatchee mental health counselor Mark Brandt....
Maybe he needs a little "self counseling"...
...and...... just how does one go about being a "self employed mental health counselor". Sounds like an interesting gig.
Get the right certs. Throw your shingle up on a door and wala your in business. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 04, 2015, 11:03:11 AM
I'm confused on some of the laws associated with this. I spoke with a USFS ranger, who specialized in offroad/utv/atv enforcement, the last 2 elk seasons about this sort of thing. He said atv/utv's are only allowed offroad and DOT licensed vehicles can both ride the forestry roads and offroad. As long as they aren't doing any damage. So, is everyone upset because of the damage, or that he drove off the road. Are my facts straight on the laws?
Also, my concern would be the next guy up there thinking this fellas tracks are a new road to play on.
Maybe a sign or some good shovel work will remedy the situation.
99% sure that he is in an area designated as "non-motorized use only" this time of year. I might be wrong.
Post by: netcoyote on March 04, 2015, 11:54:46 AM
QuoteSelf-employed Wenatchee mental health counselor Mark Brandt....
Maybe he needs a little "self counseling"...
...and...... just how does one go about being a "self employed mental health counselor". Sounds like an interesting gig.
Get the right certs. Throw your shingle up on a door and wala your in business. :chuckle:
Do you think bartending would be enough of a cert? :dunno:
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 04, 2015, 01:38:08 PM
Seems to me like the guy needs to get in the thing and roll it down the hill, to hell with the supposed erosion of winter range, it will mend.
Get your truck off the hill, pay the fine for violating whatever for going up and then coming down.
The notion that he needs a helicopter to get off this hill is ludicrous. Honestly what he needs is a moonless night, a good length of strong line and a safety vehicle, either that or a pack of matches and a insurance claim.
Granted this is a long thread, but you need to read more of it before commenting as simplistic of an answer as that.
At this point it is not a really a matter of impacting the range, that is already done and secondary to the fact he is very stuck in a bad spot. This is in a bad enough spot that it is a fairly major recovery operation. The ridge is narrow, the track up is more so with some good twists, it is steep with much of it over 45 degrees, the ground is quite soft and loamy, going down may be possible but not before going up again for a ways.
Post by: Special T on March 04, 2015, 02:29:54 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 04, 2015, 02:49:16 PM
Maybe I misread it. :dunno: There has been a lot to take in on this one.
Post by: fishngamereaper on March 04, 2015, 02:55:07 PM
:peep:
Post by: bobcat on March 04, 2015, 02:57:28 PM
12 pages and still in the Deer Hunting section :chuckle:
:peep:
That's where the person who started the thread wanted it. I assume because he felt the story was related to the disruption of deer on their winter range and the destruction of habitat.
Post by: Gringo31 on March 04, 2015, 03:02:42 PM
Driving without a seat belt or driving while on your cell phone is $124.
Post by: jackelope on March 04, 2015, 03:33:59 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 04, 2015, 04:26:09 PM
This guy is never going to live this one down... And he shouldn't!
I would think that if you could get a log yarder to the top of that "hill" along with extra cable and 3-4 experienced loggers it could be out in half a day?
can't think that'd be any cheaper than a copter ride. It takes a lot to move a yarder and get it set up and forget about it if it's on a job already.
I worked under a yarder for a while so I have a good idea what it takes to move it and get setup.
Post by: Peeshooter on March 04, 2015, 04:51:52 PM
Post by: mfswallace on March 04, 2015, 05:05:17 PM
12 pages and still in the Deer Hunting section :chuckle:
:peep:
That's where the person who started the thread wanted it. I assume because he felt the story was related to the disruption of deer on their winter range and the destruction of habitat.
seems it might be more appropriate in 5 or 6 other categories, outdoor advocacy, other adventures, where to go, lost-found-stolen :chuckle:, virtual campfire or even off-topic... Not that it matters, I was just curious why some get moved even though person posting put them in specific category and this one didn't :dunno: :stirthepot:
Post by: syoungs on March 04, 2015, 05:08:56 PM
how does the new jeep do offroad? :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 04, 2015, 05:18:42 PM
This guy is never going to live this one down... And he shouldn't!
I would think that if you could get a log yarder to the top of that "hill" along with extra cable and 3-4 experienced loggers it could be out in half a day?
can't think that'd be any cheaper than a copter ride. It takes a lot to move a yarder and get it set up and forget about it if it's on a job already.
I worked under a yarder for a while so I have a good idea what it takes to move it and get setup.
I'm not a logger and genuinely have no clue....but where would you anchor the sky line on the bottom end? And how far could you run this cable?
Post by: Miles on March 04, 2015, 05:27:48 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 04, 2015, 05:37:43 PM
Post by: jrebel on March 04, 2015, 05:37:55 PM
Put on a helmet, secure your seatbelt and hold on for dear life!!
:4w: :4w:
Post by: MHWASH on March 04, 2015, 05:40:02 PM
12 pages and still in the Deer Hunting section :chuckle:
:peep:
That's what I was thinking!
Post by: Timberstalker on March 04, 2015, 05:59:23 PM
One would have to believe if he made it that far down, he could make it the rest of the may. It doesn't appear to be any steeper down there than it did above him.
Put on a helmet, secure your seatbelt and hold on for dear life!!
:4w: :4w:
Hold my beer and watch this! :chuckle: :yike:
Post by: KFhunter on March 04, 2015, 06:17:17 PM
This guy is never going to live this one down... And he shouldn't!
I would think that if you could get a log yarder to the top of that "hill" along with extra cable and 3-4 experienced loggers it could be out in half a day?
can't think that'd be any cheaper than a copter ride. It takes a lot to move a yarder and get it set up and forget about it if it's on a job already.
I worked under a yarder for a while so I have a good idea what it takes to move it and get setup.
I'm not a logger and genuinely have no clue....but where would you anchor the sky line on the bottom end? And how far could you run this cable?
I wouldn't anchor the skyline, just pull the working line down and yank the truck up. Skyline is too big to yank down that far, you'd need to drag a 1/4 inch cable down then use that to drag the skyline down. With 2-3 guys though I think you could yank the working line down no prob.
We always anchored to a big dozer blade, the blade was pushed down in front of the biggest tree we could find and still it would drag the dozer forward and tip the tree over sometimes. I think it was a D6 sized dozer, pretty big but not the giant sized ones.
That would be a very long lift, that size of mountain would take a full tower not a portable yarder, but a portable yarder would yank that jeep up to the top at a high rate of speed - might only be part of a crumpled frame at the top though :chuckle:
Post by: GurrCentral on March 04, 2015, 06:17:53 PM
I see no humor in this, sorry. Selfish joyrider tearing up crucial winter range while deer are at their lowest body condition of the year. Granted, we had a short easy winter, but don't tell me that enters into the equation for a human pile of poo like this loser. I hope he loses the jeep, gets fined for the ORV use, and has to pay damages/restitution to cover the cost of repairs. For the "this coulda been me" guys, this is the kind of behavior that turns off the general public and builds support to shutting down further areas to motorized abuse.
I completely agree..... hope he is Jeepless and is prosecuted to the fullest in the end. I have absolutely no sympathy for someone who has no regard for the laws/wildlife. "What if it was me"...??? Well, it wasn't me, and he should pay for his actions.
Post by: KFhunter on March 04, 2015, 06:24:54 PM
I done some dumb moves, but never did I get that deep into a dumb move. That's just stupid compounded by more stupid.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 04, 2015, 06:28:15 PM
One would have to believe if he made it that far down, he could make it the rest of the may. It doesn't appear to be any steeper down there than it did above him.
Put on a helmet, secure your seatbelt and hold on for dear life!!
:4w: :4w:
It doesn't look it, but believe me, it is steeper below where he finally stopped. There are a lot of rocks and drops that would be the final nail in that Jeeps coffin. Might be able to scout a route to the south but there is a lot of steep there too and he would still need to get a little ways up hill and he has been unsuccessful at that as of yet.
Post by: KFhunter on March 04, 2015, 06:29:08 PM
The earth firsters and other tree huggers propaganda has paid off :sry:
take a chill, he can go fix the ruts and plant some seed, pay his fine.. I'm sure he's learned his lesson.
Tumbling that jeep down the mountain is going to spew gas, oil antifreeze, glass and parts all down the mountain and not all of it will get picked up. It'll be a yardsale.
Post by: MuleySniper on March 04, 2015, 06:31:27 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 04, 2015, 06:32:22 PM
Hahaha I just read page one, first time looking at this thread..... What an idiot!!!
keep reading, it gets better and there's more pics :tup:
Post by: GurrCentral on March 04, 2015, 06:42:42 PM
Some of you guys sound like eco-Nazis :o
The earth firsters and other tree huggers propaganda has paid off :sry:
take a chill, he can go fix the ruts and plant some seed, pay his fine.. I'm sure he's learned his lesson.
Tumbling that jeep down the mountain is going to spew gas, oil antifreeze, glass and parts all down the mountain and not all of it will get picked up. It'll be a yardsale.
I'm no tree-hugger, in fact, not even close.....but this is the type of behavior that gives tree-huggers leverage. It also leads to areas being gated. Not to mention it gives sportsman a bad rap....
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 04, 2015, 06:58:34 PM
Some of you guys sound like eco-Nazis :o
The earth firsters and other tree huggers propaganda has paid off :sry:
take a chill, he can go fix the ruts and plant some seed, pay his fine.. I'm sure he's learned his lesson.
Tumbling that jeep down the mountain is going to spew gas, oil antifreeze, glass and parts all down the mountain and not all of it will get picked up. It'll be a yardsale.
I'm no tree-hugger, in fact, not even close.....but this is the type of behavior that gives tree-huggers leverage. It also leads to areas being gated. Not to mention it gives sportsman a bad rap....
Last time I hugged a tree it was just to measure it before I cut it down :chuckle:
I agree that it is stuff like this that gets our roads and trails closed regardless of the reason. The damage to the winter range is minimal, I'm not really worried about that. I don't want every chode with a rig out there doing the same thing, but people do make mistakes. Calling this guy a sportsman I think is stretching it though, my guess is a metrosexual frat boy that watched too many Jeep commercials, got himself a Jeep and figured he couldn't get stuck (remember it's a Jeep!). It does give sportsmen a bad name though cause that is the first assumption.
Post by: mfswallace on March 04, 2015, 07:15:03 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 04, 2015, 07:19:15 PM
13 in deer hunting :chuckle:
Now that's funny! :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 04, 2015, 07:19:31 PM
13 in deer hunting :chuckle:
Good Lord, let it go. It's in the mule deer capital of Washington. LOL
Post by: mfswallace on March 04, 2015, 07:27:54 PM
13 in deer hunting :chuckle:
Good Lord, let it go. It's in the mule deer capital of Washington. LOL
Oh sorry :'( must be hundreds of deer killed on this single steep narrow ridge out of all the entire Entiat every year :chuckle:
I'm done until 15 pages :tung:
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 04, 2015, 07:50:52 PM
13 in deer hunting :chuckle:
Good Lord, let it go. It's in the mule deer capital of Washington. LOL
Oh sorry :'( must be hundreds of deer killed on this single steep narrow ridge out of all the entire Entiat every year :chuckle:
I'm done until 15 pages :tung:
Actually, on a normal winter year, there are a ton of deer that get killed on the Hwy. directly below this ridge. Not tryin to stir the pot, just stating a fact. :peep:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 04, 2015, 07:55:33 PM
13 in deer hunting :chuckle:
Good Lord, let it go. It's in the mule deer capital of Washington. LOL
Oh sorry :'( must be hundreds of deer killed on this single steep narrow ridge out of all the entire Entiat every year :chuckle:
I'm done until 15 pages :tung:
Deer hunting.
Post by: T Pearce on March 04, 2015, 07:58:43 PM
Hell, the roads are already in place where I hunt. Just have to ignore the rules, signage and the sneers from the other hunters as I drive out with the trophy!
I would have the check waiting at the tent when enforcement arrives after following my tracks.
Everybody wins! Think of all goodness that could be achieved with that huge fine!
Just maybe the fines need to be increased? ........ with the increased minimum wage these yankers should be able to pony up..... just say'n 8)
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 04, 2015, 08:00:08 PM
NEWSFLASH...You didn't loop around, you drove off a mountain, you must have some huge stones. :salute:
Do yourself a favor, buy a pickup to haul those badboys around in. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 04, 2015, 08:04:01 PM
13 in deer hunting :chuckle:
Good Lord, let it go. It's in the mule deer capital of Washington. LOL
Oh no don't let it go. This has the potential to rival the bigfoot thread........ :IBCOOL:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 04, 2015, 08:16:34 PM
13 in deer hunting :chuckle:
Good Lord, let it go. It's in the mule deer capital of Washington. LOL
Oh no don't let it go. This has the potential to rival the bigfoot thread........ :IBCOOL:
This thread is mere child's play compared to the famous biggie thread!!! >:( >:( >:(
Post by: T Pearce on March 04, 2015, 08:18:45 PM
Better pics too!
Post by: 2labs on March 04, 2015, 08:31:48 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on March 04, 2015, 08:46:59 PM
One would have to believe if he made it that far down, he could make it the rest of the may. It doesn't appear to be any steeper down there than it did above him.
Put on a helmet, secure your seatbelt and hold on for dear life!!
:4w: :4w:
:yeah:
Don't forget to strap your Go Pro on too!
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 04, 2015, 08:49:01 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on March 04, 2015, 10:47:02 PM
Post by: haugenna on March 04, 2015, 10:57:24 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 05:55:09 AM
I have nothing interesting or enlightening to add, just increasing the page count. :tup:
Thank you, may I have another!?!
:chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 05:55:53 AM
If the state allows him to get the Jeep out on his own and he rolls it down to the bottom of the canyon is the state liable for his death? I am guessing that Jeep will be there in April as it will be tied up in court.
Likely a valid concern. I don't know the answer, but it's probably a concern for the state.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 05, 2015, 06:16:54 AM
Post by: Miles on March 05, 2015, 06:30:08 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 05, 2015, 06:31:14 AM
If the state allows him to get the Jeep out on his own and he rolls it down to the bottom of the canyon is the state liable for his death? I am guessing that Jeep will be there in April as it will be tied up in court.
Likely a valid concern. I don't know the answer, but it's probably a concern for the state.
Why would he need permission? He already drove it off road, he's already going to get fined. So if he drives it out of there would it be another ticket? If so that's another $175? Seems more affordable than paying for a helicopter to fly it out of there. Of course I suppose if he does try to drive it out if there, he will need help, and the people helping would likely be ticketed as well. That is, if they catch him doing it.
Post by: bhawley76 on March 05, 2015, 06:51:20 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on March 05, 2015, 06:58:30 AM
This could make a hell of a warn commercial. I can see it already we can pull heaps out of just about any place you can take them. :chuckle:"any place you can take them....but never should have" :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2015, 07:16:19 AM
Post by: bhawley76 on March 05, 2015, 07:19:43 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2015, 07:49:14 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 05, 2015, 08:06:36 AM
13 in deer hunting :chuckle:
Good Lord, let it go. It's in the mule deer capital of Washington. LOL
Anyone that is local to the state of WA knows that the Mule deer capitol of the state is THE TRIPOD BURN......... :chuckle:
Post by: b0bbyg on March 05, 2015, 08:28:41 AM
13 in deer hunting :chuckle:
Good Lord, let it go. It's in the mule deer capital of Washington. LOL
Oh no don't let it go. This has the potential to rival the bigfoot thread........ :IBCOOL:
This thread is mere child's play compared to the famous biggie thread!!! >:( >:( >:(
This thread will never catch the bigfoot thread, This one already has picture proof :chuckle: :chuckle:
I figure once they pull the thing off the hill and we get pictures it will die off. I know I keep checking hoping for extraction photos.
Post by: baker5150 on March 05, 2015, 08:44:33 AM
Say, if it's left for so long then it becomes property of the state?
Kind of like the treasure hunters finding sunken ships, the state will say it belongs to them.
Post by: timberfaller on March 05, 2015, 08:53:31 AM
Post by: Rufus on March 05, 2015, 08:57:03 AM
If everyone posts a couple of these >:( >:(we will catch up to the Bigfoot thread in no time >:(
:chuckle:
I mean >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 09:02:42 AM
Post by: TeacherMan on March 05, 2015, 09:03:15 AM
Post by: netcoyote on March 05, 2015, 09:09:00 AM
>:( >:(
If everyone posts a couple of these >:( >:(we will catch up to the Bigfoot thread in no time >:(
:chuckle:
I mean >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Just doing my part to keep the thread from a premature death...
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-SVT4BIla2kw/VPiM9Gkar2I/AAAAAAAABig/CgQlJ5vFrUY/s400-no/zombie%2Bthread.jpg)
Post by: h20hunter on March 05, 2015, 09:19:58 AM
http://jrhelicopters.com/helicopter-charter-services/aerial-crane-heavy-load-lift-service-company-washington-oregon-idaho (http://jrhelicopters.com/helicopter-charter-services/aerial-crane-heavy-load-lift-service-company-washington-oregon-idaho)
I called them and asked if they wouldn't mind looking at the pics and giving us a suggestion on what kind of costs one could be looking at for removal.
Post by: KFhunter on March 05, 2015, 09:24:20 AM
Why doesn't he just dig out the back tires so he can let gravity take its course?
You want oil, antifreeze, gasoline, glass and jeep parts strewn all down the mountain?
Post by: bobcat on March 05, 2015, 09:26:26 AM
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Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 09:27:58 AM
I'm pretty sure that jeep weighs more than 3,000 pounds.
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3,879 to 4,921 lbs
2014 Jeep Wrangler, Curb weight
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2015, 09:30:07 AM
Why doesn't he just dig out the back tires so he can let gravity take its course?
You want oil, antifreeze, gasoline, glass and jeep parts strewn all down the mountain?
I don't want him there in the first place. I was thinking from his perspective. You guys all need to take some xanax and a beer. If you need someone to jump on, get a hooker. :tup:
Post by: Knocker of rocks on March 05, 2015, 09:30:30 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on March 05, 2015, 09:31:24 AM
If you need someone to jump on, get a hooker. :tup:
Que the bikini barista thread
Post by: h20hunter on March 05, 2015, 09:32:06 AM
Post by: cbond3318 on March 05, 2015, 09:35:41 AM
I'm out, check back in when they fly it off. :tung:
Post by: TheHunt on March 05, 2015, 09:43:20 AM
This guy is never going to live this one down... And he shouldn't!
I would think that if you could get a log yarder to the top of that "hill" along with extra cable and 3-4 experienced loggers it could be out in half a day?
can't think that'd be any cheaper than a copter ride. It takes a lot to move a yarder and get it set up and forget about it if it's on a job already.
I worked under a yarder for a while so I have a good idea what it takes to move it and get setup.
I'm not a logger and genuinely have no clue....but where would you anchor the sky line on the bottom end? And how far could you run this cable?
I wouldn't anchor the skyline, just pull the working line down and yank the truck up. Skyline is too big to yank down that far, you'd need to drag a 1/4 inch cable down then use that to drag the skyline down. With 2-3 guys though I think you could yank the working line down no prob.
We always anchored to a big dozer blade, the blade was pushed down in front of the biggest tree we could find and still it would drag the dozer forward and tip the tree over sometimes. I think it was a D6 sized dozer, pretty big but not the giant sized ones.
That would be a very long lift, that size of mountain would take a full tower not a portable yarder, but a portable yarder would yank that jeep up to the top at a high rate of speed - might only be part of a crumpled frame at the top though :chuckle:
I would agree pulling a main line down would be too much. But the hay wire would be just fine.
Post by: mfswallace on March 05, 2015, 10:06:02 AM
This topic has been moved from Elk hunting to Virtual Campfire.
Grizzlies
Started by BetoBow
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Brown Bear Population Increasing in WA State?
Started by Phantom16
:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
:stirthepot: :devil:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 05, 2015, 10:06:25 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 10:16:25 AM
Just because the mood I am in today, I say leave it. yup, drain the fluids, pull the battery and let those willing to huff up there strip it. In no time at all a cubby of quail will frequent it which in turn will attract predators such as rattlesnakes, coyotes and maybe a weasel will fly in. Before you know it , the thing will blend right in as habitat. Hell, may even provide a spot for weary ol' buck to shelter a vicious winter storm and we will owe Mark a thank you!
I'm out, check back in when they fly it off. :tung:
A weasel could fly in and lift it out on the back of a woodpecker. A giant woodpecker.
I didn't think about that.
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 10:17:17 AM
15 in Deer Hunting and counting... :peep:
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Grizzlies
Started by BetoBow
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Brown Bear Population Increasing in WA State?
Started by Phantom16
:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
:stirthepot: :devil:
Are you serious?
Rookies...
:(
Post by: b0bbyg on March 05, 2015, 10:22:04 AM
15 in Deer Hunting and counting... :peep:
This topic has been moved from Elk hunting to Virtual Campfire.
Grizzlies
Started by BetoBow
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Brown Bear Population Increasing in WA State?
Started by Phantom16
:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
:stirthepot: :devil:
Hey we could start a giant thread to argue about where threads go, instead of hi jacking this one. :chuckle:
I think your OCD is getting the best of you :tung: I would never realize where the thread is without other pointing it out most days. Usually stumble into threads based on the recent topics panel to the right.
Post by: stromdiddily on March 05, 2015, 10:25:04 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on March 05, 2015, 10:33:03 AM
15 in Deer Hunting and counting... :peep:I could just lock this and see real quick how many people really do like this thread. :dunno: :yike:
This topic has been moved from Elk hunting to Virtual Campfire.
Grizzlies
Started by BetoBow
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Brown Bear Population Increasing in WA State?
Started by Phantom16
:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
:stirthepot: :devil:
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 05, 2015, 10:37:16 AM
Post by: Buckmark on March 05, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
You must have cars to fix.... ;)15 in Deer Hunting and counting... :peep:I could just lock this and see real quick how many people really do like this thread. :dunno: :yike:
This topic has been moved from Elk hunting to Virtual Campfire.
Grizzlies
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Brown Bear Population Increasing in WA State?
Started by Phantom16
:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
:stirthepot: :devil:
Lets keep it on track, who cares what section it is in? Honestly HW needs an unintelligent Mule section :chuckle:
Any word back from the Helo company on an estimate for removal?
Post by: h20hunter on March 05, 2015, 10:40:58 AM
Agreed..who cares what section its in. Relax Nancys.
Post by: bhawley76 on March 05, 2015, 10:41:38 AM
I have a jeep. I understand. Maybe it's a gravity thing that you don't understand. :tup:It was a joke haven't you seen the sticker :tup:
Post by: 724wd on March 05, 2015, 10:42:19 AM
I could just lock this and see real quick how many people really do like this thread. :dunno: :yike:You must have cars to fix.... ;)
Naw, he finished my pickup on tuesday! :chuckle: :chuckle: :hello: :hello:
Post by: Woodchuck on March 05, 2015, 10:48:58 AM
That thing still runnin? Man we done goooooooood. :chuckle: :chuckle:I could just lock this and see real quick how many people really do like this thread. :dunno: :yike:You must have cars to fix.... ;)
Naw, he finished my pickup on tuesday! :chuckle: :chuckle: :hello: :hello:
Post by: Buckmark on March 05, 2015, 10:51:31 AM
Looks like they have a cargo load capacity of 6000lbs
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2010/09/helicopter_recovers_wreckage_of_car_that_fell_into_crater_lake.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2010/09/helicopter_recovers_wreckage_of_car_that_fell_into_crater_lake.html)
Post by: huntnphool on March 05, 2015, 10:54:05 AM
Since I felt it applicable and a concern to all of the above, I "purposefully" placed it here, rocket science! :chuckle:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 05, 2015, 10:58:47 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 05, 2015, 11:01:47 AM
Some of you guys sound like eco-Nazis :oThe only thing unique about this situation is the guy got stuck in a high visibility area. There are thousands more sites just like this where moron locals, and moron visitors, think the winter range is theirs for the trashing. The only difference is, all that is left at those locations is the aftermath, and I've never seen it yet where the jackwagons came back and made any attempts to repair the damage they did. I want these guys thumped because so few get caught - it's the same philosophy with poaching trophy bucks and bulls. So few get caught, the only effective deterrent is to scare the majority straight because the consequences are so severe. I'd say 99% of the guys who poach a trophy rationalize it as not doing any harm. Same with the tool with the 4x4, when I managed the Cowlitz Wildlife Area in Lewis County, the only thing that kept every stream and wet meadow accessible from a road from turning into a mudbog by the pinheads with the jacked up trucks and jeeps, were a couple of good wildlife officers who ticketed them every chance they got.
The earth firsters and other tree huggers propaganda has paid off :sry:
take a chill, he can go fix the ruts and plant some seed, pay his fine.. I'm sure he's learned his lesson.
Tumbling that jeep down the mountain is going to spew gas, oil antifreeze, glass and parts all down the mountain and not all of it will get picked up. It'll be a yardsale.
If that makes me an eco-Nazi, so be it. Our mule deer in Chelan County have been crowded into a narrow ribbon of winter range, between the higher elevations with the deep snow, and the urbanized, highwayed, inundated low elevation habitats. Meanwhile, the houses continue to creep uphill, and more and more orchards are fenced as the switch continues from ladder-picked, low density large trees that are compatible with wintering deer, to high density, picked from the ground small trees that are damaged by deer. 60 years ago, Chelan County supported annual buck harvests of 8,000-9,000 bucks, plus another 2,000-2,500 does. Now, an exceptionally good year is 1,000 bucks harvested. These deer already have it hard enough between loss of baiting, hound hunting, and trapping with predators; wolves moving into the county in the last decade; motorized recreation all winter long on the designated roads; wealthy tribal trophy hunters killing as many big bucks as they can find; browse burned up and weeds invading reducing the forage base; and, as soon as the winter breaks and the deer are in the lowest physical condition of the year, hordes of hikers, bird watchers and horn hunters pushing them all over and burning up scarce energy reserves.
There is hope for educating the ignorant, who don't see any harm in what they (and thousands like them) do. What drives me crazy is the selfish, do whatever I want, there's no harm in it types, who I think way deep down know they are wrong but really don't care. The only hope for dealing with them is for the consequences to be so severe, they won't risk them. Call me tree hugger, ecoNazi, whatever.
Post by: huntnphool on March 05, 2015, 11:07:47 AM
Some of you guys sound like eco-Nazis :oThe only thing unique about this situation is the guy got stuck in a high visibility area. There are thousands more sites just like this where moron locals, and moron visitors, think the winter range is theirs for the trashing. The only difference is, all that is left at those locations is the aftermath, and I've never seen it yet where the jackwagons came back and made any attempts to repair the damage they did. I want these guys thumped because so few get caught - it's the same philosophy with poaching trophy bucks and bulls. So few get caught, the only effective deterrent is to scare the majority straight because the consequences are so severe. I'd say 99% of the guys who poach a trophy rationalize it as not doing any harm. Same with the tool with the 4x4, when I managed the Cowlitz Wildlife Area in Lewis County, the only thing that kept every stream and wet meadow accessible from a road from turning into a mudbog by the pinheads with the jacked up trucks and jeeps, were a couple of good wildlife officers who ticketed them every chance they got.
The earth firsters and other tree huggers propaganda has paid off :sry:
take a chill, he can go fix the ruts and plant some seed, pay his fine.. I'm sure he's learned his lesson.
Tumbling that jeep down the mountain is going to spew gas, oil antifreeze, glass and parts all down the mountain and not all of it will get picked up. It'll be a yardsale.
If that makes me an eco-Nazi, so be it. Our mule deer in Chelan County have been crowded into a narrow ribbon of winter range, between the higher elevations with the deep snow, and the urbanized, highwayed, inundated low elevation habitats. Meanwhile, the houses continue to creep uphill, and more and more orchards are fenced as the switch continues from ladder-picked, low density large trees that are compatible with wintering deer, to high density, picked from the ground small trees that are damaged by deer. 60 years ago, Chelan County supported annual buck harvests of 8,000-9,000 bucks, plus another 2,000-2,500 does. Now, an exceptionally good year is 1,000 bucks harvested. These deer already have it hard enough between loss of baiting, hound hunting, and trapping with predators; wolves moving into the county in the last decade; motorized recreation all winter long on the designated roads; wealthy tribal trophy hunters killing as many big bucks as they can find; browse burned up and weeds invading reducing the forage base; and, as soon as the winter breaks and the deer are in the lowest physical condition of the year, hordes of hikers, bird watchers and horn hunters pushing them all over and burning up scarce energy reserves.
There is hope for educating the ignorant, who don't see any harm in what they (and thousands like them) do. What drives me crazy is the selfish, do whatever I want, there's no harm in it types, who I think way deep down know they are wrong but really don't care. The only hope for dealing with them is for the consequences to be so severe, they won't risk them. Call me tree hugger, ecoNazi, whatever.
Amen!
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 05, 2015, 11:11:00 AM
. . .
Call me tree hugger, ecoNazi, whatever.
That was an illuminating post. Thank you.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 05, 2015, 11:14:26 AM
Some of you guys sound like eco-Nazis :oThe only thing unique about this situation is the guy got stuck in a high visibility area. There are thousands more sites just like this where moron locals, and moron visitors, think the winter range is theirs for the trashing. The only difference is, all that is left at those locations is the aftermath, and I've never seen it yet where the jackwagons came back and made any attempts to repair the damage they did. I want these guys thumped because so few get caught - it's the same philosophy with poaching trophy bucks and bulls. So few get caught, the only effective deterrent is to scare the majority straight because the consequences are so severe. I'd say 99% of the guys who poach a trophy rationalize it as not doing any harm. Same with the tool with the 4x4, when I managed the Cowlitz Wildlife Area in Lewis County, the only thing that kept every stream and wet meadow accessible from a road from turning into a mudbog by the pinheads with the jacked up trucks and jeeps, were a couple of good wildlife officers who ticketed them every chance they got.
The earth firsters and other tree huggers propaganda has paid off :sry:
take a chill, he can go fix the ruts and plant some seed, pay his fine.. I'm sure he's learned his lesson.
Tumbling that jeep down the mountain is going to spew gas, oil antifreeze, glass and parts all down the mountain and not all of it will get picked up. It'll be a yardsale.
If that makes me an eco-Nazi, so be it. Our mule deer in Chelan County have been crowded into a narrow ribbon of winter range, between the higher elevations with the deep snow, and the urbanized, highwayed, inundated low elevation habitats. Meanwhile, the houses continue to creep uphill, and more and more orchards are fenced as the switch continues from ladder-picked, low density large trees that are compatible with wintering deer, to high density, picked from the ground small trees that are damaged by deer. 60 years ago, Chelan County supported annual buck harvests of 8,000-9,000 bucks, plus another 2,000-2,500 does. Now, an exceptionally good year is 1,000 bucks harvested. These deer already have it hard enough between loss of baiting, hound hunting, and trapping with predators; wolves moving into the county in the last decade; motorized recreation all winter long on the designated roads; wealthy tribal trophy hunters killing as many big bucks as they can find; browse burned up and weeds invading reducing the forage base; and, as soon as the winter breaks and the deer are in the lowest physical condition of the year, hordes of hikers, bird watchers and horn hunters pushing them all over and burning up scarce energy reserves.
There is hope for educating the ignorant, who don't see any harm in what they (and thousands like them) do. What drives me crazy is the selfish, do whatever I want, there's no harm in it types, who I think way deep down know they are wrong but really don't care. The only hope for dealing with them is for the consequences to be so severe, they won't risk them. Call me tree hugger, ecoNazi, whatever.
Agree 110%. :yeah: :tup:
Post by: Rainier10 on March 05, 2015, 11:14:50 AM
X2Some of you guys sound like eco-Nazis :oThe only thing unique about this situation is the guy got stuck in a high visibility area. There are thousands more sites just like this where moron locals, and moron visitors, think the winter range is theirs for the trashing. The only difference is, all that is left at those locations is the aftermath, and I've never seen it yet where the jackwagons came back and made any attempts to repair the damage they did. I want these guys thumped because so few get caught - it's the same philosophy with poaching trophy bucks and bulls. So few get caught, the only effective deterrent is to scare the majority straight because the consequences are so severe. I'd say 99% of the guys who poach a trophy rationalize it as not doing any harm. Same with the tool with the 4x4, when I managed the Cowlitz Wildlife Area in Lewis County, the only thing that kept every stream and wet meadow accessible from a road from turning into a mudbog by the pinheads with the jacked up trucks and jeeps, were a couple of good wildlife officers who ticketed them every chance they got.
The earth firsters and other tree huggers propaganda has paid off :sry:
take a chill, he can go fix the ruts and plant some seed, pay his fine.. I'm sure he's learned his lesson.
Tumbling that jeep down the mountain is going to spew gas, oil antifreeze, glass and parts all down the mountain and not all of it will get picked up. It'll be a yardsale.
If that makes me an eco-Nazi, so be it. Our mule deer in Chelan County have been crowded into a narrow ribbon of winter range, between the higher elevations with the deep snow, and the urbanized, highwayed, inundated low elevation habitats. Meanwhile, the houses continue to creep uphill, and more and more orchards are fenced as the switch continues from ladder-picked, low density large trees that are compatible with wintering deer, to high density, picked from the ground small trees that are damaged by deer. 60 years ago, Chelan County supported annual buck harvests of 8,000-9,000 bucks, plus another 2,000-2,500 does. Now, an exceptionally good year is 1,000 bucks harvested. These deer already have it hard enough between loss of baiting, hound hunting, and trapping with predators; wolves moving into the county in the last decade; motorized recreation all winter long on the designated roads; wealthy tribal trophy hunters killing as many big bucks as they can find; browse burned up and weeds invading reducing the forage base; and, as soon as the winter breaks and the deer are in the lowest physical condition of the year, hordes of hikers, bird watchers and horn hunters pushing them all over and burning up scarce energy reserves.
There is hope for educating the ignorant, who don't see any harm in what they (and thousands like them) do. What drives me crazy is the selfish, do whatever I want, there's no harm in it types, who I think way deep down know they are wrong but really don't care. The only hope for dealing with them is for the consequences to be so severe, they won't risk them. Call me tree hugger, ecoNazi, whatever.
Amen!
Post by: mburrows on March 05, 2015, 11:18:47 AM
Some of you guys sound like eco-Nazis :oThe only thing unique about this situation is the guy got stuck in a high visibility area. There are thousands more sites just like this where moron locals, and moron visitors, think the winter range is theirs for the trashing. The only difference is, all that is left at those locations is the aftermath, and I've never seen it yet where the jackwagons came back and made any attempts to repair the damage they did. I want these guys thumped because so few get caught - it's the same philosophy with poaching trophy bucks and bulls. So few get caught, the only effective deterrent is to scare the majority straight because the consequences are so severe. I'd say 99% of the guys who poach a trophy rationalize it as not doing any harm. Same with the tool with the 4x4, when I managed the Cowlitz Wildlife Area in Lewis County, the only thing that kept every stream and wet meadow accessible from a road from turning into a mudbog by the pinheads with the jacked up trucks and jeeps, were a couple of good wildlife officers who ticketed them every chance they got.
The earth firsters and other tree huggers propaganda has paid off :sry:
take a chill, he can go fix the ruts and plant some seed, pay his fine.. I'm sure he's learned his lesson.
Tumbling that jeep down the mountain is going to spew gas, oil antifreeze, glass and parts all down the mountain and not all of it will get picked up. It'll be a yardsale.
If that makes me an eco-Nazi, so be it. Our mule deer in Chelan County have been crowded into a narrow ribbon of winter range, between the higher elevations with the deep snow, and the urbanized, highwayed, inundated low elevation habitats. Meanwhile, the houses continue to creep uphill, and more and more orchards are fenced as the switch continues from ladder-picked, low density large trees that are compatible with wintering deer, to high density, picked from the ground small trees that are damaged by deer. 60 years ago, Chelan County supported annual buck harvests of 8,000-9,000 bucks, plus another 2,000-2,500 does. Now, an exceptionally good year is 1,000 bucks harvested. These deer already have it hard enough between loss of baiting, hound hunting, and trapping with predators; wolves moving into the county in the last decade; motorized recreation all winter long on the designated roads; wealthy tribal trophy hunters killing as many big bucks as they can find; browse burned up and weeds invading reducing the forage base; and, as soon as the winter breaks and the deer are in the lowest physical condition of the year, hordes of hikers, bird watchers and horn hunters pushing them all over and burning up scarce energy reserves.
There is hope for educating the ignorant, who don't see any harm in what they (and thousands like them) do. What drives me crazy is the selfish, do whatever I want, there's no harm in it types, who I think way deep down know they are wrong but really don't care. The only hope for dealing with them is for the consequences to be so severe, they won't risk them. Call me tree hugger, ecoNazi, whatever.
Well put, some great food for thought.
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on March 05, 2015, 11:23:30 AM
http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/thursday/2966638-8/first-outing-in-new-jeep-in-hills-outside (http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/thursday/2966638-8/first-outing-in-new-jeep-in-hills-outside)
“This has turned this into a bad movie,” Brandt said Tuesday. “I’m just an old guy who bought a new Jeep, had it for two days, took it out for what was going to be a short drive, and got stuck.”
The Jeep is perched on a 38 percent grade. Kujala deemed the terrain too soft for rescue, Brandt said.
Brandt said he’s now faced with the only options Kujala gave him — paying about $1,000 to hire a professional truck crew to rescue the Jeep, presumably once the ground hardens, or hire a commercial helicopter to airlift it out.
The road ended there, but instead of back-tracking out, Brandt urged the new Jeep forward in the hope of circling around and hooking up the Forest Service road.
Brandt expresses deep regret for the damaged hillside and the entire episode. He’s exploring his options — carefully. “I don’t want to get law enforcement people any more worked up than they already are,” he said
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 11:36:15 AM
Some of you guys sound like eco-Nazis :oThe only thing unique about this situation is the guy got stuck in a high visibility area. There are thousands more sites just like this where moron locals, and moron visitors, think the winter range is theirs for the trashing. The only difference is, all that is left at those locations is the aftermath, and I've never seen it yet where the jackwagons came back and made any attempts to repair the damage they did. I want these guys thumped because so few get caught - it's the same philosophy with poaching trophy bucks and bulls. So few get caught, the only effective deterrent is to scare the majority straight because the consequences are so severe. I'd say 99% of the guys who poach a trophy rationalize it as not doing any harm. Same with the tool with the 4x4, when I managed the Cowlitz Wildlife Area in Lewis County, the only thing that kept every stream and wet meadow accessible from a road from turning into a mudbog by the pinheads with the jacked up trucks and jeeps, were a couple of good wildlife officers who ticketed them every chance they got.
The earth firsters and other tree huggers propaganda has paid off :sry:
take a chill, he can go fix the ruts and plant some seed, pay his fine.. I'm sure he's learned his lesson.
Tumbling that jeep down the mountain is going to spew gas, oil antifreeze, glass and parts all down the mountain and not all of it will get picked up. It'll be a yardsale.
If that makes me an eco-Nazi, so be it. Our mule deer in Chelan County have been crowded into a narrow ribbon of winter range, between the higher elevations with the deep snow, and the urbanized, highwayed, inundated low elevation habitats. Meanwhile, the houses continue to creep uphill, and more and more orchards are fenced as the switch continues from ladder-picked, low density large trees that are compatible with wintering deer, to high density, picked from the ground small trees that are damaged by deer. 60 years ago, Chelan County supported annual buck harvests of 8,000-9,000 bucks, plus another 2,000-2,500 does. Now, an exceptionally good year is 1,000 bucks harvested. These deer already have it hard enough between loss of baiting, hound hunting, and trapping with predators; wolves moving into the county in the last decade; motorized recreation all winter long on the designated roads; wealthy tribal trophy hunters killing as many big bucks as they can find; browse burned up and weeds invading reducing the forage base; and, as soon as the winter breaks and the deer are in the lowest physical condition of the year, hordes of hikers, bird watchers and horn hunters pushing them all over and burning up scarce energy reserves.
There is hope for educating the ignorant, who don't see any harm in what they (and thousands like them) do. What drives me crazy is the selfish, do whatever I want, there's no harm in it types, who I think way deep down know they are wrong but really don't care. The only hope for dealing with them is for the consequences to be so severe, they won't risk them. Call me tree hugger, ecoNazi, whatever.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on March 05, 2015, 11:37:16 AM
Post by: Curly on March 05, 2015, 11:45:33 AM
Post by: mfswallace on March 05, 2015, 11:51:23 AM
Some of you guys sound like eco-Nazis :oThe only thing unique about this situation is the guy got stuck in a high visibility area. There are thousands more sites just like this where moron locals, and moron visitors, think the winter range is theirs for the trashing. The only difference is, all that is left at those locations is the aftermath, and I've never seen it yet where the jackwagons came back and made any attempts to repair the damage they did. I want these guys thumped because so few get caught - it's the same philosophy with poaching trophy bucks and bulls. So few get caught, the only effective deterrent is to scare the majority straight because the consequences are so severe. I'd say 99% of the guys who poach a trophy rationalize it as not doing any harm. Same with the tool with the 4x4, when I managed the Cowlitz Wildlife Area in Lewis County, the only thing that kept every stream and wet meadow accessible from a road from turning into a mudbog by the pinheads with the jacked up trucks and jeeps, were a couple of good wildlife officers who ticketed them every chance they got.
The earth firsters and other tree huggers propaganda has paid off :sry:
take a chill, he can go fix the ruts and plant some seed, pay his fine.. I'm sure he's learned his lesson.
Tumbling that jeep down the mountain is going to spew gas, oil antifreeze, glass and parts all down the mountain and not all of it will get picked up. It'll be a yardsale.
If that makes me an eco-Nazi, so be it. Our mule deer in Chelan County have been crowded into a narrow ribbon of winter range, between the higher elevations with the deep snow, and the urbanized, highwayed, inundated low elevation habitats. Meanwhile, the houses continue to creep uphill, and more and more orchards are fenced as the switch continues from ladder-picked, low density large trees that are compatible with wintering deer, to high density, picked from the ground small trees that are damaged by deer. 60 years ago, Chelan County supported annual buck harvests of 8,000-9,000 bucks, plus another 2,000-2,500 does. Now, an exceptionally good year is 1,000 bucks harvested. These deer already have it hard enough between loss of baiting, hound hunting, and trapping with predators; wolves moving into the county in the last decade; motorized recreation all winter long on the designated roads; wealthy tribal trophy hunters killing as many big bucks as they can find; browse burned up and weeds invading reducing the forage base; and, as soon as the winter breaks and the deer are in the lowest physical condition of the year, hordes of hikers, bird watchers and horn hunters pushing them all over and burning up scarce energy reserves.
There is hope for educating the ignorant, who don't see any harm in what they (and thousands like them) do. What drives me crazy is the selfish, do whatever I want, there's no harm in it types, who I think way deep down know they are wrong but really don't care. The only hope for dealing with them is for the consequences to be so severe, they won't risk them. Call me tree hugger, ecoNazi, whatever.
Thanks for helping me see why this is in deer hunting!
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 05, 2015, 11:52:05 AM
So, the forest service locked the gate after he got stuck. Too bad they didn't have the gate shut and locked starting about December 1st. :twocents:
Oh it will.be now..... Which is good of course! :tup:
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 12:01:47 PM
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Post by: h20hunter on March 05, 2015, 12:12:24 PM
Here's the link to the story and a few quotes!
http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/thursday/2966638-8/first-outing-in-new-jeep-in-hills-outside (http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/thursday/2966638-8/first-outing-in-new-jeep-in-hills-outside)
“This has turned this into a bad movie,” Brandt said Tuesday. “I’m just an old guy who bought a new Jeep, had it for two days, took it out for what was going to be a short drive, and got stuck.”
The Jeep is perched on a 38 percent grade. Kujala deemed the terrain too soft for rescue, Brandt said.
Brandt said he’s now faced with the only options Kujala gave him — paying about $1,000 to hire a professional truck crew to rescue the Jeep, presumably once the ground hardens, or hire a commercial helicopter to airlift it out.
The road ended there, but instead of back-tracking out, Brandt urged the new Jeep forward in the hope of circling around and hooking up the Forest Service road.
Brandt expresses deep regret for the damaged hillside and the entire episode. He’s exploring his options — carefully. “I don’t want to get law enforcement people any more worked up than they already are,” he said
I'm calling the BS on this statement. I've gone out for short drives......NONE LIKE THAT. So....I will include a picture to show my sympathy.
Post by: Gringo31 on March 05, 2015, 12:17:32 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on March 05, 2015, 12:24:05 PM
Here's the link to the story and a few quotes!
http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/thursday/2966638-8/first-outing-in-new-jeep-in-hills-outside (http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/thursday/2966638-8/first-outing-in-new-jeep-in-hills-outside)
“This has turned this into a bad movie,” Brandt said Tuesday. “I’m just an old guy who bought a new Jeep, had it for two days, took it out for what was going to be a short drive, and got stuck.”
The Jeep is perched on a 38 percent grade. Kujala deemed the terrain too soft for rescue, Brandt said.
Brandt said he’s now faced with the only options Kujala gave him — paying about $1,000 to hire a professional truck crew to rescue the Jeep, presumably once the ground hardens, or hire a commercial helicopter to airlift it out.
The road ended there, but instead of back-tracking out, Brandt urged the new Jeep forward in the hope of circling around and hooking up the Forest Service road.
Brandt expresses deep regret for the damaged hillside and the entire episode. He’s exploring his options — carefully. “I don’t want to get law enforcement people any more worked up than they already are,” he said
I'm calling the BS on this statement. I've gone out for short drives......NONE LIKE THAT. So....I will include a picture to show my sympathy.
Try reading the statement again. "What was GOING to be a short drive" Meaning things didn't go according to plan.
Post by: h20hunter on March 05, 2015, 12:34:10 PM
Post by: motg9_6 on March 05, 2015, 12:34:49 PM
get over it and move on
Post by: h20hunter on March 05, 2015, 12:37:11 PM
We could all just ignore it and stick to working? :chuckle: Yeah, that ain't happening!
I bet you are right about the dozer....get someone to run it that has a light touch and they could probably get 'er out quick.
Post by: motg9_6 on March 05, 2015, 12:41:38 PM
Post by: mtbeav on March 05, 2015, 12:54:48 PM
As was Gilligan going on a 3 hour cruise?
Post by: 724wd on March 05, 2015, 12:56:54 PM
That thing still runnin? Man we done goooooooood. :chuckle: :chuckle:I could just lock this and see real quick how many people really do like this thread. :dunno: :yike:You must have cars to fix.... ;)
Naw, he finished my pickup on tuesday! :chuckle: :chuckle: :hello: :hello:
I DON'T KNOW!!!! haven't talked to my mom! maybe it isn't!!! :yike: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: NRA4LIFE on March 05, 2015, 01:06:36 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 05, 2015, 01:07:32 PM
if we spent half the time worrying about this incident and making as big of a deal about it as we do our politics our state wouldnt be in the situation it is but yet here we are
:chuckle: You will have to excuse my chuckle Motg, but this comment is rather funny coming from a guy that has never left a single post or comment in the politics section of this site. :chuckle:
I can assure you that politics in this state and country are discussed with passion, by more than a couple of the sites members daily! ;)
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2015, 01:30:33 PM
if we spent half the time worrying about this incident and making as big of a deal about it as we do our politics our state wouldnt be in the situation it is but yet here we are
You obviously don't subscribe to the off topics board. If you did, you'd know how ludicrous your comment is.
Post by: baker5150 on March 05, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
if we spent half the time worrying about this incident and making as big of a deal about it as we do our politics our state wouldnt be in the situation it is but yet here we are
What? Trolling much?
This has nothing to do with politics nor should it. Don't start dragging the two together
Post by: Payne on March 05, 2015, 01:51:06 PM
"What was GOING to be a short drive"
As was Gilligan going on a 3 hour cruise?
Hahaha!
Post by: mfswallace on March 05, 2015, 02:00:05 PM
"What was GOING to be a short drive"
As was Gilligan going on a 3 hour cruise?
But who's hotter, Ginger or MaryAnn???
Post by: jrebel on March 05, 2015, 02:00:39 PM
It is a fail proof plan. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 02:04:00 PM
if we spent half the time worrying about this incident and making as big of a deal about it as we do our politics our state wouldnt be in the situation it is but yet here we are
You obviously don't subscribe to the off topics board. If you did, you'd know how ludicrous your comment is.
:chuckle:
Post by: motg9_6 on March 05, 2015, 02:06:15 PM
troll i must be guess ill have to find a bridge
Post by: Woodchuck on March 05, 2015, 02:07:07 PM
If he ties the back off the big pine behind him, turns the wheel hard right and hammers it....he could pendulum his way darn near to the bottom.That's a great plan, you drive, I'll tie you off. :tup:
It is a fail proof plan. :chuckle: :chuckle:
P.S. MaryAnn was way hotter.
Post by: motg9_6 on March 05, 2015, 02:08:37 PM
i actually prefer to right directly to my representatives directly so the issue may get addressed and not just wine on the forums about nothing getting done or how i dont like what they are doing. odd concept i knowif we spent half the time worrying about this incident and making as big of a deal about it as we do our politics our state wouldnt be in the situation it is but yet here we are
You obviously don't subscribe to the off topics board. If you did, you'd know how ludicrous your comment is.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2015, 02:17:17 PM
i actually prefer to right directly to my representatives directly so the issue may get addressed and not just wine on the forums about nothing getting done or how i dont like what they are doing. odd concept i knowif we spent half the time worrying about this incident and making as big of a deal about it as we do our politics our state wouldnt be in the situation it is but yet here we are
You obviously don't subscribe to the off topics board. If you did, you'd know how ludicrous your comment is.
Many of us write to our representatives. I've written to my state reps three times, and to the President, Vice President, and Dir. of the BATFE, just in the last week. I spoke on the phone directly to my US Congresswoman on Tuesday, and they're in session right now. I guarantee you don't have a monopoly on writing your politicians. I don't understand why you have such superior attitude towards your fellow hunters but there are a great many politically involved people on this site, probably much more so than you. Please don't hurt yourself getting down from that high horse. Your comments are rude and self-centered.
Post by: Elkpiss on March 05, 2015, 02:24:14 PM
And Bobcat thread was 10X better then this Zoo.... :twocents:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 05, 2015, 02:26:10 PM
:DOH: this is getting rediculous... Get the jeep off the Mountain... get 4 buddies air down the tires and bring some shovels and a jack and some ropes and chains and there is no dout you can get that out... damage is done get the jeep out.. this is starting to :beatdeadhorse:.. Fines, penalties well come to the dude.. Get the dam Jeep off the MT...... :twocents:..
And Bobcat thread was 10X better then this Zoo.... :twocents:
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: motg9_6 on March 05, 2015, 02:34:55 PM
wow sorry for disagreeing with you all mightyness :kneel: i never once said that i have some monopoly and that you dont perform these tasks just because i dont post on the off topics board im not allowed to have an opinion get over yourselves, and as for my attitude seems directly on par with yours thinking your better than me.i actually prefer to right directly to my representatives directly so the issue may get addressed and not just wine on the forums about nothing getting done or how i dont like what they are doing. odd concept i knowif we spent half the time worrying about this incident and making as big of a deal about it as we do our politics our state wouldnt be in the situation it is but yet here we are
You obviously don't subscribe to the off topics board. If you did, you'd know how ludicrous your comment is.
Many of us write to our representatives. I've written to my state reps three times, and to the President, Vice President, and Dir. of the BATFE, just in the last week. I spoke on the phone directly to my US Congresswoman on Tuesday, and they're in session right now. I guarantee you don't have a monopoly on writing your politicians. I don't understand why you have such superior attitude towards your fellow hunters but there are a great many politically involved people on this site, probably much more so than you. Please don't hurt yourself getting down from that high horse. Your comments are rude and self-centered.
Post by: jrebel on March 05, 2015, 02:38:37 PM
wow sorry for disagreeing with you all mightyness :kneel: i never once said that i have some monopoly and that you dont perform these tasks just because i dont post on the off topics board im not allowed to have an opinion get over yourselves, and as for my attitude seems directly on par with yours thinking your better than me.i actually prefer to right directly to my representatives directly so the issue may get addressed and not just wine on the forums about nothing getting done or how i dont like what they are doing. odd concept i knowif we spent half the time worrying about this incident and making as big of a deal about it as we do our politics our state wouldnt be in the situation it is but yet here we are
You obviously don't subscribe to the off topics board. If you did, you'd know how ludicrous your comment is.
Many of us write to our representatives. I've written to my state reps three times, and to the President, Vice President, and Dir. of the BATFE, just in the last week. I spoke on the phone directly to my US Congresswoman on Tuesday, and they're in session right now. I guarantee you don't have a monopoly on writing your politicians. I don't understand why you have such superior attitude towards your fellow hunters but there are a great many politically involved people on this site, probably much more so than you. Please don't hurt yourself getting down from that high horse. Your comments are rude and self-centered.
You two are totally taking away from the humor this post is providing most. Stop it!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Joking of course. I appreciate everyone perspective....
Post by: motg9_6 on March 05, 2015, 02:44:00 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2015, 02:47:09 PM
wow sorry for disagreeing with you all mightyness :kneel: i never once said that i have some monopoly and that you dont perform these tasks just because i dont post on the off topics board im not allowed to have an opinion get over yourselves, and as for my attitude seems directly on par with yours thinking your better than me.i actually prefer to right directly to my representatives directly so the issue may get addressed and not just wine on the forums about nothing getting done or how i dont like what they are doing. odd concept i knowif we spent half the time worrying about this incident and making as big of a deal about it as we do our politics our state wouldnt be in the situation it is but yet here we are
You obviously don't subscribe to the off topics board. If you did, you'd know how ludicrous your comment is.
Many of us write to our representatives. I've written to my state reps three times, and to the President, Vice President, and Dir. of the BATFE, just in the last week. I spoke on the phone directly to my US Congresswoman on Tuesday, and they're in session right now. I guarantee you don't have a monopoly on writing your politicians. I don't understand why you have such superior attitude towards your fellow hunters but there are a great many politically involved people on this site, probably much more so than you. Please don't hurt yourself getting down from that high horse. Your comments are rude and self-centered.
And I'm sorry you were acting like a jerk. It's not about disagreeing. I don't mind having a civil debate with anyone and I often do. You called people posting in this thread whiners and for some reason felt that posting in this forum meant that we aren't putting our opinions with our politicians where they belong. You were wrong about that. If you want to make incorrect assumptions about your fellow hunters and insult them, expect to get called out for it. If you don't like being called out for it, don't dis your fellow hunters - pretty damned simple.
Post by: motg9_6 on March 05, 2015, 02:51:02 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2015, 02:58:11 PM
if it doesnt apply to you you need not get offended, but name calling is not going to get anywhere you of all peolpe should know that
I didn't call anyone a name and your comments aimed. People need to take more care in dealing with their fellows - fellow hunters, fellow conservatives, fellow conservationists, fellow Washingtonians, etc. I'm glad you're politically involved. I wish more people were. Just realize you're not alone in that and that we're all in this together. The people to call whiners and other names are out there, not here.
Post by: motg9_6 on March 05, 2015, 03:04:48 PM
we are hunters and outdoorsman, we have to stick TOGETHER our we will be forced to be couch potatoes.
on that note sorry pianoman you fell victim to my test but with our arguments i think my point is made so lets stop fighting each other and fight the good fight!
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2015, 03:08:06 PM
Post by: baker5150 on March 05, 2015, 03:28:36 PM
my whole point is that i wish people (across the country and here on huntwa) put forth the effort towards contacting representatives as they do bashing the dude with the jeep. it seems people on here will fight just as your and i are here over something so piddely as this yet have little drive towards what happens in our country.
we are hunters and outdoorsman, we have to stick TOGETHER our we will be forced to be couch potatoes.
on that note sorry pianoman you fell victim to my test but with our arguments i think my point is made so lets stop fighting each other and fight the good fight!
The issue is that you assume they don't put the effort forward. When in fact you have no clue what anyone on here has done.
You just assumed, which makes you look like a Troll trying to get everyone fired up and off topic.
Post by: motg9_6 on March 05, 2015, 03:34:12 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 05, 2015, 03:34:59 PM
Back on topic though.....That is one heck of a wrong turn. Not sure why he was looking for something more challenging than the roads up there. Those can be treacherous with a little water on them. Slick as snot.
I think he should hike in and get that thing out of there, cut the lock on the gate and park it in a parking lot somewhere. When the forest service showed up at my house I would say I don't know what you are talking about I left it on the hill. After a few days in the parking lot someone will report it abandoned and it will get towed. When the towing company runs the plates they would call and say come get your rig out of impound. You have to pay the impound fee and the off road ticket. Go up and replant some seed and rake out the ruts for good measure. And don't ever do something that dumb again.
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 03:38:35 PM
alright lets do an honest survey of how many people actually right to there representatives
Start a new thread.
This one is about a Jeep stuck to the side of a mountain. And some other random things. We have an Off-Topics board for the political stuff. We don't want this pending epic thread to get off track.
Post by: motg9_6 on March 05, 2015, 03:39:51 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=171414.0 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=171414.0)
Post by: Miles on March 05, 2015, 03:40:05 PM
Post by: mfswallace on March 05, 2015, 04:12:34 PM
alright lets do an honest survey of how many people actually right to there representatives
Start a new thread.
This one is about a Jeep stuck to the side of a mountain. And some other random things. We have an Off-Topics board for the political stuff. We don't want this pending epic thread to get off track.
I thought this was about deer hunting :chuckle:
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 05, 2015, 04:14:43 PM
alright lets do an honest survey of how many people actually right to there representatives
Start a new thread.
This one is about a Jeep stuck to the side of a mountain. And some other random things. We have an Off-Topics board for the political stuff. We don't want this pending epic thread to get off track.
I thought this was about deer hunting :chuckle:
And you can't triple stamp a double stamp. Kind of OCD aren't you?
Post by: KFhunter on March 05, 2015, 04:16:59 PM
Leave it going. I want to find out exactly how many people are trained experts in the field of Jeep Recovery and Airlifts in General.
I'm not an expert, but I did stay at a holiday inn.
Post by: haugenna on March 05, 2015, 04:19:33 PM
So, the forest service locked the gate after he got stuck. Too bad they didn't have the gate shut and locked starting about December 1st. :twocents:
How else do you expect the indians to get close to the animals?
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 05, 2015, 04:20:30 PM
Hey where's Dave of TDG? He might be able to help. As long as he doesn't take the Jeep with him :dunno:
Post by: Rainier10 on March 05, 2015, 04:36:38 PM
How 'bout that Jeep huh? What about pack goats, would that help? Take it apart and pack the parts up the mountainside?This is perfect for him in so many ways. I would love to hear him chime in on this. This thread is going to be epic before it is all over. Bring on the pack goats
Hey where's Dave of TDG? He might be able to help. As long as he doesn't take the Jeep with him :dunno:
Post by: syoungs on March 05, 2015, 04:40:47 PM
kids these days
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 04:53:45 PM
How 'bout that Jeep huh? What about pack goats, would that help? Take it apart and pack the parts up the mountainside?This is perfect for him in so many ways. I would love to hear him chime in on this. This thread is going to be epic before it is all over. Bring on the pack goats
Hey where's Dave of TDG? He might be able to help. As long as he doesn't take the Jeep with him :dunno:
Someone did leave it on public land after all.
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 04:55:50 PM
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Post by: fishngamereaper on March 05, 2015, 04:59:11 PM
Could be the same for trips to Chelan...We passed the Red jeep yet, Yep, Ok halfway there...... :chuckle:
Post by: Rainier10 on March 05, 2015, 05:00:46 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 05, 2015, 05:02:27 PM
Some of you guys sound like eco-Nazis :oThe only thing unique about this situation is the guy got stuck in a high visibility area. There are thousands more sites just like this where moron locals, and moron visitors, think the winter range is theirs for the trashing. The only difference is, all that is left at those locations is the aftermath, and I've never seen it yet where the jackwagons came back and made any attempts to repair the damage they did. I want these guys thumped because so few get caught - it's the same philosophy with poaching trophy bucks and bulls. So few get caught, the only effective deterrent is to scare the majority straight because the consequences are so severe. I'd say 99% of the guys who poach a trophy rationalize it as not doing any harm. Same with the tool with the 4x4, when I managed the Cowlitz Wildlife Area in Lewis County, the only thing that kept every stream and wet meadow accessible from a road from turning into a mudbog by the pinheads with the jacked up trucks and jeeps, were a couple of good wildlife officers who ticketed them every chance they got.
The earth firsters and other tree huggers propaganda has paid off :sry:
take a chill, he can go fix the ruts and plant some seed, pay his fine.. I'm sure he's learned his lesson.
Tumbling that jeep down the mountain is going to spew gas, oil antifreeze, glass and parts all down the mountain and not all of it will get picked up. It'll be a yardsale.
If that makes me an eco-Nazi, so be it. Our mule deer in Chelan County have been crowded into a narrow ribbon of winter range, between the higher elevations with the deep snow, and the urbanized, highwayed, inundated low elevation habitats. Meanwhile, the houses continue to creep uphill, and more and more orchards are fenced as the switch continues from ladder-picked, low density large trees that are compatible with wintering deer, to high density, picked from the ground small trees that are damaged by deer. 60 years ago, Chelan County supported annual buck harvests of 8,000-9,000 bucks, plus another 2,000-2,500 does. Now, an exceptionally good year is 1,000 bucks harvested. These deer already have it hard enough between loss of baiting, hound hunting, and trapping with predators; wolves moving into the county in the last decade; motorized recreation all winter long on the designated roads; wealthy tribal trophy hunters killing as many big bucks as they can find; browse burned up and weeds invading reducing the forage base; and, as soon as the winter breaks and the deer are in the lowest physical condition of the year, hordes of hikers, bird watchers and horn hunters pushing them all over and burning up scarce energy reserves.
There is hope for educating the ignorant, who don't see any harm in what they (and thousands like them) do. What drives me crazy is the selfish, do whatever I want, there's no harm in it types, who I think way deep down know they are wrong but really don't care. The only hope for dealing with them is for the consequences to be so severe, they won't risk them. Call me tree hugger, ecoNazi, whatever.
I missed this! Thanks for the very articulate well thought out response to my barbed statement, clearly worthy of a response :tup:
I don't disagree with anything you say up to the point that this guy should be treated different than anyone else who drives out of bounds in an illegal area.
Other's who've been stuck have been afforded the opportunity to have jeep clubs and others come in to rescue them and I think the same should apply to this person. He should be afforded the opportunity to find a way to get his jeep out with minimal additional damage and the FS should approve something other than a helicopter or tumbling the jeep down the mountain creating more environmental harm than the shallow ruts he's made. The application of the law should apply equally to all, not less if a person is secluded and more if a person is visible nor would I like to see the media begin to influence judicial application of punishment. It's got to be above mob mentality. I'd rather see this as an opportunity to educate and outreach then cause unjust harm to one person while the other law breakers laugh because he should have 4x4'd where it wouldn't be seen. If this area is continually being 4x4'd on then the punishment probably needs to be raised and additional patrols, as long as the punishment is the same for everyone I'd be fine with that.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 05, 2015, 05:07:57 PM
Does the last photo mean it's gone or is that just the ruts on the way down?
Means that TDG got there and the goats packed it out...or ate it or something
Post by: floatinghat on March 05, 2015, 05:18:26 PM
Put a trail cam in it and it will be gone soon :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on March 05, 2015, 05:19:20 PM
what about all them contrails on the other photo :yike:
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Post by: Miles on March 05, 2015, 05:27:16 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 05:27:28 PM
Does the last photo mean it's gone or is that just the ruts on the way down?
It's not gone.
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 05:27:44 PM
I'm surprised there aren't dead deer in all these pics. They must've crawled up the ruts to die on higher ground.
:chuckle:
Post by: T Pearce on March 05, 2015, 05:29:10 PM
Post by: deerhuntr4885 on March 05, 2015, 05:35:08 PM
Post by: theshade on March 05, 2015, 05:41:34 PM
I don't disagree with anything you say up to the point that this guy should be treated different than anyone else who drives out of bounds in an illegal area.
Other's who've been stuck have been afforded the opportunity to have jeep clubs and others come in to rescue them and I think the same should apply to this person. He should be afforded the opportunity to find a way to get his jeep out with minimal additional damage and the FS should approve something other than a helicopter or tumbling the jeep down the mountain creating more environmental harm than the shallow ruts he's made. The application of the law should apply equally to all, not less if a person is secluded and more if a person is visible nor would I like to see the media begin to influence judicial application of punishment. It's got to be above mob mentality. I'd rather see this as an opportunity to educate and outreach then cause unjust harm to one person while the other law breakers laugh because he should have 4x4'd where it wouldn't be seen. If this area is continually being 4x4'd on then the punishment probably needs to be raised and additional patrols, as long as the punishment is the same for everyone I'd be fine with that.
Interesting reading. By digesting this reasoning one could only conclude that no member of this forum should ever be banned for their thoughts and points of view; yet members are missing from here. Hmmmmmm?
Post by: KFhunter on March 05, 2015, 05:44:04 PM
I don't disagree with anything you say up to the point that this guy should be treated different than anyone else who drives out of bounds in an illegal area.
Other's who've been stuck have been afforded the opportunity to have jeep clubs and others come in to rescue them and I think the same should apply to this person. He should be afforded the opportunity to find a way to get his jeep out with minimal additional damage and the FS should approve something other than a helicopter or tumbling the jeep down the mountain creating more environmental harm than the shallow ruts he's made. The application of the law should apply equally to all, not less if a person is secluded and more if a person is visible nor would I like to see the media begin to influence judicial application of punishment. It's got to be above mob mentality. I'd rather see this as an opportunity to educate and outreach then cause unjust harm to one person while the other law breakers laugh because he should have 4x4'd where it wouldn't be seen. If this area is continually being 4x4'd on then the punishment probably needs to be raised and additional patrols, as long as the punishment is the same for everyone I'd be fine with that.
Interesting reading. By digesting this reasoning one could only conclude that no member of this forum should ever be banned for their thoughts and points of view; yet members are missing from here. Hmmmmmm?
People are not banned from HW for their thoughts or points of view, only for not being able to stay within the rules while articulating those thoughts and ideas.
Not sure how this fits with a jeep on the side of a mountain :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 05:59:45 PM
I don't disagree with anything you say up to the point that this guy should be treated different than anyone else who drives out of bounds in an illegal area.
Other's who've been stuck have been afforded the opportunity to have jeep clubs and others come in to rescue them and I think the same should apply to this person. He should be afforded the opportunity to find a way to get his jeep out with minimal additional damage and the FS should approve something other than a helicopter or tumbling the jeep down the mountain creating more environmental harm than the shallow ruts he's made. The application of the law should apply equally to all, not less if a person is secluded and more if a person is visible nor would I like to see the media begin to influence judicial application of punishment. It's got to be above mob mentality. I'd rather see this as an opportunity to educate and outreach then cause unjust harm to one person while the other law breakers laugh because he should have 4x4'd where it wouldn't be seen. If this area is continually being 4x4'd on then the punishment probably needs to be raised and additional patrols, as long as the punishment is the same for everyone I'd be fine with that.
Interesting reading. By digesting this reasoning one could only conclude that no member of this forum should ever be banned for their thoughts and points of view; yet members are missing from here. Hmmmmmm?
People are not banned from HW for their thoughts or points of view, only for not being able to stay within the rules while articulating those thoughts and ideas.
Not sure how this fits with a jeep on the side of a mountain :dunno:
Wait for it......
Post by: builtfordtough on March 05, 2015, 06:01:19 PM
Post by: papisjeep on March 05, 2015, 06:05:29 PM
If he drove a late model FORD BRONCO say 1971 he wouldn't have been in this mess, just saying!for sure since it would of been broke down in the driveway
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2015, 06:06:49 PM
If he drove a late model FORD BRONCO say 1971 he wouldn't have been in this mess, just saying!for sure since it would of been broke down in the driveway
Haha!! I see what you did there....Nice one.
:chuckle:
Post by: gasman on March 05, 2015, 06:16:14 PM
Just saying......
a capeable jeep can get up more then the majority of people can realise, just ask Ribka, scared the crap out him on a jeep trail or two :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike:
and it was not even that steep :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w:
Post by: zike on March 05, 2015, 06:18:27 PM
Post by: theshade on March 05, 2015, 06:27:32 PM
I wonder if a chain saw winch would be able to free the jeep. It might have to be double lined and with help from the jeep it might work. I heard about small planes being pulled from Hells Canyon in the past. I dragged my 3/4 ton ford across the back yard when I was using it for an anchor.
Small aircraft are very light; that's why they are able to fly right? That jeep must weigh 2 ton.
Post by: Miles on March 05, 2015, 06:31:28 PM
I wonder if a chain saw winch would be able to free the jeep. It might have to be double lined and with help from the jeep it might work. I heard about small planes being pulled from Hells Canyon in the past. I dragged my 3/4 ton ford across the back yard when I was using it for an anchor.
Small aircraft are very light; that's why they are able to fly right? That jeep must weigh 2 ton.
The weight of the Jeep has already been covered several pages ago....
Post by: zike on March 05, 2015, 06:35:33 PM
I wonder if a chain saw winch would be able to free the jeep. It might have to be double lined and with help from the jeep it might work. I heard about small planes being pulled from Hells Canyon in the past. I dragged my 3/4 ton ford across the back yard when I was using it for an anchor.
Small aircraft are very light; that's why they are able to fly right? That jeep must weigh 2 ton.
Well my PU weights about 2 ton and the wheels were locked and it had no trouble pulling it. Besides your not lifting the jeep, your pulling it, and with the jeep in low range and someone driving it it would have even less resistance. That and a double line set up would double the pulling power. I'm not saying it would work but it might be worth a try. Bring another friend along and use two winches. LOL
Post by: KFhunter on March 05, 2015, 06:38:54 PM
Post by: 2labs on March 05, 2015, 06:40:54 PM
Id bet money that the "BARBIE JEEP" could climb up.........
Just saying......
a capeable jeep can get up more then the majority of people can realise, just ask Ribka, scared the crap out him on a jeep trail or two :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike:
and it was not even that steep :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w:
Every decent "JEEP" is part Ford, Chevy,and Toyota. With A.R.B parts all over it!
Post by: Curly on March 05, 2015, 06:45:43 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 05, 2015, 06:57:19 PM
I wonder if a chain saw winch would be able to free the jeep. It might have to be double lined and with help from the jeep it might work. I heard about small planes being pulled from Hells Canyon in the past. I dragged my 3/4 ton ford across the back yard when I was using it for an anchor.
Small aircraft are very light; that's why they are able to fly right? That jeep must weigh 2 ton.
The weight of the Jeep has already been covered several pages ago....
Did anyone verify the weight of the jeep with Joey Lagano? He is a bit of an expert on vehicle weight you know.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 05, 2015, 06:59:26 PM
I wonder if it were a Rubicon and he'd of aired down the tires to around 12 psi if he'd of been able to get out?
Tom Brady says optimal pressure is under 11 psi.
Too soon?
Post by: gasman on March 05, 2015, 07:15:40 PM
Id bet money that the "BARBIE JEEP" could climb up.........
Just saying......
a capeable jeep can get up more then the majority of people can realise, just ask Ribka, scared the crap out him on a jeep trail or two :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike:
and it was not even that steep :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w:
Every decent "JEEP" is part Ford, Chevy,and Toyota. With A.R.B parts all over it!
Not the "BARBIE JEEP", its 100% jeep, not yota, chevy, blue oval on it :tup:
Or ARB, I cant afford them :bash:
Post by: Motorjosh on March 05, 2015, 07:30:04 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 05, 2015, 07:35:16 PM
:yike:
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Boy I missed a lot today....but I'm commin back with an epic photobomb......Pretty sure I'm driving that bus on the Hwy. :hello: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: HntnFsh on March 05, 2015, 07:37:58 PM
Post by: baker5150 on March 05, 2015, 07:44:12 PM
Post by: 2labs on March 05, 2015, 07:46:49 PM
Air down to 4psi, install a winch and have a good anchor than crawl it out.
4 PSI. And no bead locks. BWAHAHAHA .
Post by: Motorjosh on March 05, 2015, 07:53:20 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 05, 2015, 07:54:40 PM
Post by: JWEBB on March 05, 2015, 07:55:41 PM
If he drove a late model FORD BRONCO say 1971 he wouldn't have been in this mess, just saying!
Amen to that :tup:
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 05, 2015, 07:56:59 PM
I can drive all day long at 4psi in my off-road rig and it does not have bead locks on it.
Your John Deere does not count :chuckle:
Post by: raydog on March 05, 2015, 07:57:15 PM
Post by: Motorjosh on March 05, 2015, 07:59:34 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 05, 2015, 08:12:06 PM
Post by: hrd2fnd on March 05, 2015, 08:18:17 PM
.:yeah:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 05, 2015, 08:26:07 PM
.:yeahd:
:yeah: Maybe Squatch will help poor Brian get his Barbie Jeep off the hill tonite under the full moon...
Post by: mfswallace on March 05, 2015, 08:27:21 PM
I wish that Deere was mine!
:chuckle:
Post by: HornHoarder on March 05, 2015, 08:31:00 PM
Post by: Motorjosh on March 05, 2015, 08:55:54 PM
Post by: 2labs on March 05, 2015, 08:59:41 PM
That would get exciting if it's still there when we get a heavy rain. :hello:jeep.
He'll own a new jeep, a deer fence, and some apple tree's
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 05, 2015, 09:07:20 PM
That would get exciting if it's still there when we get a heavy rain. :hello:jeep.
Should be ok where it sits now. A lot of rock not far under it and behind it. It would be ironic if the rain carved out his tracks and washed it over the edge though.
I can't think it will sit up there too much longer before someone will have a few too many brewhopples and see if it will hit 97a or stop in the orchard.
Post by: haugenna on March 05, 2015, 10:03:12 PM
Beware the ides of March. April fools coming up. What better day suited for this idiot?
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 05, 2015, 10:12:42 PM
Post by: kentrek on March 05, 2015, 10:22:28 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 05, 2015, 10:48:07 PM
Post by: davyboy on March 06, 2015, 06:23:51 AM
Post by: Miles on March 06, 2015, 07:06:09 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 06, 2015, 07:07:54 AM
Post by: antlerking on March 06, 2015, 07:11:15 AM
Its obviuos that hunting season is over and there are a few boared folk around!!!!!!
Did anyone notice the stuck rig over in mud creek???????
Didnt think so. :bash:
Post by: Woodchuck on March 06, 2015, 07:26:35 AM
Wow 20 pages all about a stuck jeep on a hill side !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Well start a thread with pictures for that one to, we can have dual internet bashing. :IBCOOL:
Its obviuos that hunting season is over and there are a few boared folk around!!!!!!
Did anyone notice the stuck rig over in mud creek???????
Didnt think so. :bash:
Post by: cbond3318 on March 06, 2015, 08:03:30 AM
Wow 20 pages all about a stuck jeep on a hill side !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Well start a thread with pictures for that one to, we can have dual internet bashing. :IBCOOL:
Its obviuos that hunting season is over and there are a few boared folk around!!!!!!
Did anyone notice the stuck rig over in mud creek???????
Didnt think so. :bash:
:yeah: pictures,post,prosecute! >:(
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 06, 2015, 09:22:05 AM
Post by: skeeter 20i on March 06, 2015, 09:49:22 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 06, 2015, 09:59:13 AM
Post by: huntnphool on March 06, 2015, 10:04:12 AM
Point it downhill and drive it. That's what his plan was before he was overcome with a rush of estrogen.
No way to go down without going through private land.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 06, 2015, 10:21:06 AM
I don't think you could get it to slow down if you tried going downhill
Post by: mfswallace on March 06, 2015, 11:31:04 AM
]This should be in the 4x4 section.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on March 06, 2015, 11:34:47 AM
]This should be in the 4x4 section.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
And yet here you both are. ;)
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 06, 2015, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: Elkpiss on March 06, 2015, 11:39:36 AM
Point it downhill and drive it. That's what his plan was before he was overcome with a rush of estrogen.
No way to go down without going through private land.
Whats it matter at this point? the dude is already going through a no fly zone, Pay the tresspass Fine... Just get the dam Jeep off the Mt, this is rediculous... I have never seen anything quite like this.. only owned the jeep for 2 days now it sits on the side of a hill for week N half.. This dude must be a idiot.. i know if that was my jeep, it would be off the Mt..
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 06, 2015, 11:43:01 AM
Post by: huntnphool on March 06, 2015, 11:46:22 AM
Point it downhill and drive it. That's what his plan was before he was overcome with a rush of estrogen.
No way to go down without going through private land.
Whats it matter at this point? the dude is already going through a no fly zone, Pay the tresspass Fine... Just get the dam Jeep off the Mt, this is rediculous... I have never seen anything quite like this.. only owned the jeep for 2 days now it sits on the side of a hill for week N half.. This dude must be a idiot.. i know if that was my jeep, it would be off the Mt..
You assume the landowners would simply allow him to drive right on through huh? :chuckle:
Post by: Elkpiss on March 06, 2015, 11:51:34 AM
Point it downhill and drive it. That's what his plan was before he was overcome with a rush of estrogen.
No way to go down without going through private land.
Whats it matter at this point? the dude is already going through a no fly zone, Pay the tresspass Fine... Just get the dam Jeep off the Mt, this is rediculous... I have never seen anything quite like this.. only owned the jeep for 2 days now it sits on the side of a hill for week N half.. This dude must be a idiot.. i know if that was my jeep, it would be off the Mt..
You assume the landowners would simply allow him to drive right on through huh? :chuckle:
whats the land owner going to do pull a gun and hold him hostage? :dunno: Dont think so..... :chuckle: call the cops??? Perfect.... Pay the ticket!.... :tup: ;)
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 06, 2015, 11:53:22 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 06, 2015, 12:02:14 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 06, 2015, 12:09:14 PM
I'd say driving through the private property would be a great option, if it were possible without rolling the jeep. When your other option is a $10,000 helicopter ride, or driving it out, any way you can drive it out is the better option. Pay the landowner a fee, or pay the fine you're bound to get if you don't have permission from the landowner. I suppose you'd also have to cut out a section of that fence, and you'd be responsible for fixing that. Even with all that, it's gotta be cheaper than the helicopter. But again, that's only if driving it down the hill is possible without rolling the jeep and the driver most likely being killed as a result.
Its all good he's gots a roll bar...........
Post by: huntnphool on March 06, 2015, 12:09:47 PM
Point it downhill and drive it. That's what his plan was before he was overcome with a rush of estrogen.
No way to go down without going through private land.
Whats it matter at this point? the dude is already going through a no fly zone, Pay the tresspass Fine... Just get the dam Jeep off the Mt, this is rediculous... I have never seen anything quite like this.. only owned the jeep for 2 days now it sits on the side of a hill for week N half.. This dude must be a idiot.. i know if that was my jeep, it would be off the Mt..
You assume the landowners would simply allow him to drive right on through huh? :chuckle:
whats the land owner going to do pull a gun and hold him hostage? :dunno: Dont think so..... :chuckle: call the cops??? Perfect.... Pay the ticket!.... :tup: ;)
I'd say driving through the private property would be a great option, if it were possible without rolling the jeep. When your other option is a $10,000 helicopter ride, or driving it out, any way you can drive it out is the better option. Pay the landowner a fee, or pay the fine you're bound to get if you don't have permission from the landowner. I suppose you'd also have to cut out a section of that fence, and you'd be responsible for fixing that. Even with all that, it's gotta be cheaper than the helicopter.
So your ethics go only as far as your bank account huh? That speaks volumes to your character!
So let's put the "how" the landowner detains someone driving a jeep across his property without permission aside for a minute, you condone the act of simply ignoring ones property rights, and the law, and simply driving through flipping the bird and paying a small fine?
Post by: cbond3318 on March 06, 2015, 12:11:21 PM
I'd say driving through the private property would be a great option, if it were possible without rolling the jeep. When your other option is a $10,000 helicopter ride, or driving it out, any way you can drive it out is the better option. Pay the landowner a fee, or pay the fine you're bound to get if you don't have permission from the landowner. I suppose you'd also have to cut out a section of that fence, and you'd be responsible for fixing that. Even with all that, it's gotta be cheaper than the helicopter. But again, that's only if driving it down the hill is possible without rolling the jeep and the driver most likely being killed as a result.
If I were to drive it down, keep in mind sitting here at my desk my 4x4 skills are limitless but, I would take the door off, be barefoot and wear no loose clothing and start driving. If she starts to go, bale out the door like a early 90's Arnold flick.....
Post by: zike on March 06, 2015, 12:24:04 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 06, 2015, 12:25:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMnCHOILAyM#t=78 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMnCHOILAyM#t=78)
Post by: cbond3318 on March 06, 2015, 12:27:02 PM
So why is it, in a roll over the one that dies is usually ejected from the vehicle? I'd pay the tow company the 1K and you could find one to do it for that amount.
Because he is being thrown violently from the vehicle :dunno: There is a difference in being ejected and choosing to eject yourself when it starts to roll.... :o
Just ask Chuck.
Post by: cbond3318 on March 06, 2015, 12:28:39 PM
He should get himself one of these!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMnCHOILAyM#t=78 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMnCHOILAyM#t=78)
Heck, get two and when your done leave em' there as a mating pair. I can see it now " Elephant in the Entiat."
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 06, 2015, 12:29:13 PM
Point it downhill and drive it. That's what his plan was before he was overcome with a rush of estrogen.
No way to go down without going through private land.
Whats it matter at this point? the dude is already going through a no fly zone, Pay the tresspass Fine... Just get the dam Jeep off the Mt, this is rediculous... I have never seen anything quite like this.. only owned the jeep for 2 days now it sits on the side of a hill for week N half.. This dude must be a idiot.. i know if that was my jeep, it would be off the Mt..
You assume the landowners would simply allow him to drive right on through huh? :chuckle:
whats the land owner going to do pull a gun and hold him hostage? :dunno: Dont think so..... :chuckle: call the cops??? Perfect.... Pay the ticket!.... :tup: ;)
I'd say driving through the private property would be a great option, if it were possible without rolling the jeep. When your other option is a $10,000 helicopter ride, or driving it out, any way you can drive it out is the better option. Pay the landowner a fee, or pay the fine you're bound to get if you don't have permission from the landowner. I suppose you'd also have to cut out a section of that fence, and you'd be responsible for fixing that. Even with all that, it's gotta be cheaper than the helicopter.
So your ethics go only as far as your bank account huh? That speaks volumes to your character!
So let's put the "how" the landowner detains someone driving a jeep across his property without permission aside for a minute, you condone the act of simply ignoring ones property rights, and the law, and simply driving through flipping the bird and paying a small fine?
That escalated quickly...
Sounds like if anything he condones paying the landowner a fee :dunno:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 06, 2015, 12:32:07 PM
He should get himself one of these!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMnCHOILAyM#t=78 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMnCHOILAyM#t=78)
Now your onto something. Get the landowner to host "Get The Idiot Out The Entiat" party and have Barnabon Baileys circus set up there tent in the field below. Charge admission and help the Heap off the hill with Dumbo..... Sure to be a big hit!!!!!! :tup:
Post by: h20hunter on March 06, 2015, 12:32:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4rY7Y6wgYA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4rY7Y6wgYA)
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 06, 2015, 12:34:55 PM
He should get himself one of these!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMnCHOILAyM#t=78 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMnCHOILAyM#t=78)
Now your onto something. Get the landowner to host "Get The Idiot Out The Entiat" party and have Barnabon Baileys circus set up there tent in the field below. Charge admission and help the Heap off the hill with Dumbo..... Sure to be a big hit!!!!!! :tup:
I believe that's Barnum and Bailey's. :chuckle:
Unless Cinnabon is branching out :dunno:
Post by: huntnphool on March 06, 2015, 12:37:20 PM
Point it downhill and drive it. That's what his plan was before he was overcome with a rush of estrogen.
No way to go down without going through private land.
Whats it matter at this point? the dude is already going through a no fly zone, Pay the tresspass Fine... Just get the dam Jeep off the Mt, this is rediculous... I have never seen anything quite like this.. only owned the jeep for 2 days now it sits on the side of a hill for week N half.. This dude must be a idiot.. i know if that was my jeep, it would be off the Mt..
You assume the landowners would simply allow him to drive right on through huh? :chuckle:
whats the land owner going to do pull a gun and hold him hostage? :dunno: Dont think so..... :chuckle: call the cops??? Perfect.... Pay the ticket!.... :tup: ;)
I'd say driving through the private property would be a great option, if it were possible without rolling the jeep. When your other option is a $10,000 helicopter ride, or driving it out, any way you can drive it out is the better option. Pay the landowner a fee, or pay the fine you're bound to get if you don't have permission from the landowner. I suppose you'd also have to cut out a section of that fence, and you'd be responsible for fixing that. Even with all that, it's gotta be cheaper than the helicopter.
So your ethics go only as far as your bank account huh? That speaks volumes to your character!
So let's put the "how" the landowner detains someone driving a jeep across his property without permission aside for a minute, you condone the act of simply ignoring ones property rights, and the law, and simply driving through flipping the bird and paying a small fine?
That escalated quickly...
Sounds like if anything he condones paying the landowner a fee :dunno:
Really? That's what you get out of this?
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or pay the fine you're bound to get if you don't have permission from the landowner
Sounds to me that both of them couldn't care less about the landowners rights, and their ethics go only as far as their bank accounts can afford, after that it's flip the bird and drive through regardless.
Post by: Elkpiss on March 06, 2015, 12:39:18 PM
Point it downhill and drive it. That's what his plan was before he was overcome with a rush of estrogen.
No way to go down without going through private land.
Whats it matter at this point? the dude is already going through a no fly zone, Pay the tresspass Fine... Just get the dam Jeep off the Mt, this is rediculous... I have never seen anything quite like this.. only owned the jeep for 2 days now it sits on the side of a hill for week N half.. This dude must be a idiot.. i know if that was my jeep, it would be off the Mt..
You assume the landowners would simply allow him to drive right on through huh? :chuckle:
whats the land owner going to do pull a gun and hold him hostage? :dunno: Dont think so..... :chuckle: call the cops??? Perfect.... Pay the ticket!.... :tup: ;)
I'd say driving through the private property would be a great option, if it were possible without rolling the jeep. When your other option is a $10,000 helicopter ride, or driving it out, any way you can drive it out is the better option. Pay the landowner a fee, or pay the fine you're bound to get if you don't have permission from the landowner. I suppose you'd also have to cut out a section of that fence, and you'd be responsible for fixing that. Even with all that, it's gotta be cheaper than the helicopter.
So your ethics go only as far as your bank account huh? That speaks volumes to your character!
So let's put the "how" the landowner detains someone driving a jeep across his property without permission aside for a minute, you condone the act of simply ignoring ones property rights, and the law, and simply driving through flipping the bird and paying a small fine?
Not saying its a good choice but if its his only choice to get his Jeep off the Mt, i think he needs to do what he needs to do.. Damage and idiot label is already done... what do you think there phool he just leave a 2 day old jeep on the MT for ever? Be realistic, we all know that was a dumb thing he did, now what??? I know I wouldnt have 10K to have a Helicopter fly it off that MT, that would not be a option.. Option would be to get buddies and the right gear and get it off the MT.... it could be done, i dont get what the dude is waiting for.. They cant sieze his propeterty for tresspassing...? IDK I just think this is rediculous.. Or Option 2, he probably has full coverage, call Triple A...... :tup: ;)
And I would be really humble if I were him talking to the landowner... I am only saying if down was his only option how would ethics have anything to do with it? thats would be his only option in the scenerio were talking about.... He is F'd already anyway whats a little more humble pie? atleast he got his jeep back then he can chalk it up to know what NOT to do again... I am just curious what you would do Phool if this were you?..
Post by: westsidehntr on March 06, 2015, 12:41:27 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 06, 2015, 12:43:51 PM
We are simply interpreting their words differently. I am a landowner the same as you and I don't condone anybody trespassing without permission. Even if it is a Jeep that fell from the skies.
Post by: huntnphool on March 06, 2015, 12:51:25 PM
Point it downhill and drive it. That's what his plan was before he was overcome with a rush of estrogen.
No way to go down without going through private land.
Whats it matter at this point? the dude is already going through a no fly zone, Pay the tresspass Fine... Just get the dam Jeep off the Mt, this is rediculous... I have never seen anything quite like this.. only owned the jeep for 2 days now it sits on the side of a hill for week N half.. This dude must be a idiot.. i know if that was my jeep, it would be off the Mt..
You assume the landowners would simply allow him to drive right on through huh? :chuckle:
whats the land owner going to do pull a gun and hold him hostage? :dunno: Dont think so..... :chuckle: call the cops??? Perfect.... Pay the ticket!.... :tup: ;)
I'd say driving through the private property would be a great option, if it were possible without rolling the jeep. When your other option is a $10,000 helicopter ride, or driving it out, any way you can drive it out is the better option. Pay the landowner a fee, or pay the fine you're bound to get if you don't have permission from the landowner. I suppose you'd also have to cut out a section of that fence, and you'd be responsible for fixing that. Even with all that, it's gotta be cheaper than the helicopter.
So your ethics go only as far as your bank account huh? That speaks volumes to your character!
So let's put the "how" the landowner detains someone driving a jeep across his property without permission aside for a minute, you condone the act of simply ignoring ones property rights, and the law, and simply driving through flipping the bird and paying a small fine?
Not saying its a good choice but if its his only choice to get his Jeep off the Mt, i think he needs to do what he needs to do.. Damage and idiot label is already done... what do you think there phool he just leave a 2 day old jeep on the MT for ever? Be realistic, we all know that was a dumb thing he did, now what??? I know I wouldnt have 10K to have a Helicopter fly it off that MT, that would not be a option.. Option would be to get buddies and the right gear and get it off the MT.... it could be done, i dont get what the dude is waiting for.. They cant sieze his propeterty for tresspassing...? IDK I just think this is rediculous.. Or Option 2, he probably has full coverage, call Triple A...... :tup: ;)
Let's not get it twisted, stick to the facts. Ignoring landowners rights is NOT his only option and should not be minimized based on out of pocket expense. Justifying trampling ones rights after making poor personal decisions for yourself is whats "ridiculous" here. :twocents:
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And I would be really humble if I were him talking to the landowner... I am only saying if down was his only option how would ethics have anything to do with it? thats would be his only option in the scenerio were talking about.... He is F'd already anyway whats a little more humble pie? atleast he got his jeep back then he can chalk it up to know what NOT to do again... I am just curious what you would do Phool if this were you?..
Talking to the landowner and asking permission, assuming he can drive it down, would be first, but if the landowner said no, I wouldn't simply dismiss his refusal and do it anyway simply because it's cheaper.
If that option was removed I would bend over and take the helicopter option.
Post by: Elkpiss on March 06, 2015, 01:00:41 PM
Let's not get it twisted, stick to the facts. Ignoring landowners rights is NOT his only option and should not be minimized based on out of pocket expense. Justifying trampling ones rights after making poor personal decisions for yourself is whats "ridiculous" here. :twocents:
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Its not me driving this jeep guy, this is more of a game of put yourself in his shoes is what i was getting at.. Not that you or I or whomever would be in this situation but this dude is... Ethics, whatever you want to call it Get this F N jeep off the Mt for god sakes.. Maybe he can start a GoFundMe acount and raise the 10k to Helly it off the MT... :dunno: Or leave it I dont care its not my jeep... I kinda do like the idea of, "oh there's the Red Jeep on the MT were getting close to Chelan now.."... ;)
Post by: bobcat on March 06, 2015, 01:05:26 PM
Post by: Elkpiss on March 06, 2015, 01:08:08 PM
A brand new jeep stuck on the side of a mountain, what does a new jeep cost- $30,000? It can't just be left there forever. Come on. And the helicopter option? Not even an option in my opinion. It's just ridiculous to think that a helicopter should be used, if there's any possible way it can be driven out of there. It's already so close to the highway, it only makes sense to go down with it if that's possible. Why would the landowner even care? Fix whatever damage that may occur and throw in a couple hundred bucks on top of that. If I were the landowner I'd try to help the guy out as much as possible. He did a dumb thing and got himself in quite the predicament. Now it's time to get it off the mountain in the easiest and cheapest way possible. I would hope that most people would do what they could to help him out. I know I would.
thats just to logical Bobcat, not a good option for this thread... :chuckle:..
Post by: bobcat on March 06, 2015, 01:13:02 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 06, 2015, 01:13:26 PM
A brand new jeep stuck on the side of a mountain, what does a new jeep cost- $30,000? It can't just be left there forever. Come on. And the helicopter option? Not even an option in my opinion. It's just ridiculous to think that a helicopter should be used, if there's any possible way it can be driven out of there. It's already so close to the highway, it only makes sense to go down with it if that's possible. Why would the landowner even care? Fix whatever damage that may occur and throw in a couple hundred bucks on top of that. If I were the landowner I'd try to help the guy out as much as possible. He did a dumb thing and got himself in quite the predicament. Now it's time to get it off the mountain in the easiest and cheapest way possible. I would hope that most people would do what they could to help him out. I know I would.
That's fine Bob, but also a far cry from what you suggested in your last post.
Working with the land owner would be best, but for you to suggest ignoring the landowners decision and do it anyway if he refuses, is irresponsible, unethical and poor advice coming from a moderator. :twocents:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 06, 2015, 01:14:31 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 06, 2015, 01:31:46 PM
A brand new jeep stuck on the side of a mountain, what does a new jeep cost- $30,000? It can't just be left there forever. Come on. And the helicopter option? Not even an option in my opinion. It's just ridiculous to think that a helicopter should be used, if there's any possible way it can be driven out of there. It's already so close to the highway, it only makes sense to go down with it if that's possible. Why would the landowner even care? Fix whatever damage that may occur and throw in a couple hundred bucks on top of that. If I were the landowner I'd try to help the guy out as much as possible. He did a dumb thing and got himself in quite the predicament. Now it's time to get it off the mountain in the easiest and cheapest way possible. I would hope that most people would do what they could to help him out. I know I would.
That's fine Bob, but also a far cry from what you suggested in your last post.
Working with the land owner would be best, but for you to suggest ignoring the landowners decision and do it anyway if he refuses, is irresponsible, unethical and poor advice coming from a moderator. :twocents:
I wasn't giving advice, just stating my opinion. The owner of the jeep isn't reading this. I don't know if the landowner is even available for contact. Who knows, maybe he's in Mexico for the winter. If the landowner is available, and if driving the jeep down was the best option, I'd probably be telling him I'm coming through your property, like it or not. I can't imagine why the landowner would be unreasonable. The law of gravity is pretty much what takes precedence in this situation. Actually, didn't "Mark" already trespass once, when he walked out? It's not like it's the crime of the century. And if driving the jeep out doesn't cause any damage, then why would it matter?
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 06, 2015, 01:36:16 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on March 06, 2015, 01:38:02 PM
If Mark would just answer his phone or answer a text we could a least be closer to some closure of this situation. I'm pretty sure he has Hunt Wa site info by now?
How many times have you called him? What does he owe us? :dunno:
Post by: huntnphool on March 06, 2015, 01:38:57 PM
I'd probably be telling him I'm coming through your property, like it or not. I can't imagine why the landowner would be unreasonable.A brand new jeep stuck on the side of a mountain, what does a new jeep cost- $30,000? It can't just be left there forever. Come on. And the helicopter option? Not even an option in my opinion. It's just ridiculous to think that a helicopter should be used, if there's any possible way it can be driven out of there. It's already so close to the highway, it only makes sense to go down with it if that's possible. Why would the landowner even care? Fix whatever damage that may occur and throw in a couple hundred bucks on top of that. If I were the landowner I'd try to help the guy out as much as possible. He did a dumb thing and got himself in quite the predicament. Now it's time to get it off the mountain in the easiest and cheapest way possible. I would hope that most people would do what they could to help him out. I know I would.
That's fine Bob, but also a far cry from what you suggested in your last post.
Working with the land owner would be best, but for you to suggest ignoring the landowners decision and do it anyway if he refuses, is irresponsible, unethical and poor advice coming from a moderator. :twocents:
Doubling down on the "screw you and your rights" huh Bob, yeah I can't imagine why he would be unreasonable with that attitude either!
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 06, 2015, 01:40:28 PM
If Mark would just answer his phone or answer a text we could a least be closer to some closure of this situation. I'm pretty sure he has Hunt Wa site info by now?
How many times have you called him? What does he owe us? :dunno:
His eye sore is stuck on public property is it not ? Lost count on number of calls?
Post by: haugenna on March 06, 2015, 02:02:09 PM
A brand new jeep stuck on the side of a mountain, what does a new jeep cost- $30,000? It can't just be left there forever. Come on. And the helicopter option? Not even an option in my opinion. It's just ridiculous to think that a helicopter should be used, if there's any possible way it can be driven out of there. It's already so close to the highway, it only makes sense to go down with it if that's possible. Why would the landowner even care? Fix whatever damage that may occur and throw in a couple hundred bucks on top of that. If I were the landowner I'd try to help the guy out as much as possible. He did a dumb thing and got himself in quite the predicament. Now it's time to get it off the mountain in the easiest and cheapest way possible. I would hope that most people would do what they could to help him out. I know I would.
The reason that jeep is still on the mountain is Liability.
The state is not going to let him and his buddy take it out. If him or his buddy gets injured/killed, the state could be held liable because they allowed it to take place. The risk is too great and the risk is known by all.
If I am a landowner I would not allow him to drive out on my property if my property had a dangerous incline to it. He dumps it on my property and gets injured, I am could be held liable.
Sorry folks, this is going out by professionals and if that professional is smart, they will run it by their insurance before they attempt the extraction. I would bet the state is saying the same thing but the owner does not want to follow the state's guidelines because it is too much money for him to pay. That's why the jeep is still up there.
I don't want my tax dollars going to litigation when he rolls it and dies. This is his bill to take care of, not mine.
Post by: cbond3318 on March 06, 2015, 02:10:06 PM
If Mark would just answer his phone or answer a text we could a least be closer to some closure of this situation. I'm pretty sure he has Hunt Wa site info by now?
How many times have you called him? What does he owe us? :dunno:
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His eye sore is stuck on public property is it not ? Lost count on number of calls?
So you think he owes you an answered phone call? Of which he has no idea what or who may be on the other line and open himself up to a bashing? I think you are giving yourself a little too much authority.....
Post by: h20hunter on March 06, 2015, 02:12:40 PM
A brand new jeep stuck on the side of a mountain, what does a new jeep cost- $30,000? It can't just be left there forever. Come on. And the helicopter option? Not even an option in my opinion. It's just ridiculous to think that a helicopter should be used, if there's any possible way it can be driven out of there. It's already so close to the highway, it only makes sense to go down with it if that's possible. Why would the landowner even care? Fix whatever damage that may occur and throw in a couple hundred bucks on top of that. If I were the landowner I'd try to help the guy out as much as possible. He did a dumb thing and got himself in quite the predicament. Now it's time to get it off the mountain in the easiest and cheapest way possible. I would hope that most people would do what they could to help him out. I know I would.
The reason that jeep is still on the mountain is Liability.
The state is not going to let him and his buddy take it out. If him or his buddy gets injured/killed, the state could be held liable because they allowed it to take place. The risk is too great and the risk is known by all.
If I am a landowner I would not allow him to drive out on my property if my property had a dangerous incline to it. He dumps it on my property and gets injured, I am could be held liable.
Sorry folks, this is going out by professionals and if that professional is smart, they will run it by their insurance before they attempt the extraction. I would bet the state is saying the same thing but the owner does not want to follow the state's guidelines because it is too much money for him to pay. That's why the jeep is still up there.
I don't want my tax dollars going to litigation when he rolls it and dies. This is his bill to take care of, not mine.
Whoa there haugenna. Thats the 2nd well stated and logical response in as many days. Please get back on track.
Post by: jackelope on March 06, 2015, 02:17:03 PM
A brand new jeep stuck on the side of a mountain, what does a new jeep cost- $30,000? It can't just be left there forever. Come on. And the helicopter option? Not even an option in my opinion. It's just ridiculous to think that a helicopter should be used, if there's any possible way it can be driven out of there. It's already so close to the highway, it only makes sense to go down with it if that's possible. Why would the landowner even care? Fix whatever damage that may occur and throw in a couple hundred bucks on top of that. If I were the landowner I'd try to help the guy out as much as possible. He did a dumb thing and got himself in quite the predicament. Now it's time to get it off the mountain in the easiest and cheapest way possible. I would hope that most people would do what they could to help him out. I know I would.
The reason that jeep is still on the mountain is Liability.
The state is not going to let him and his buddy take it out. If him or his buddy gets injured/killed, the state could be held liable because they allowed it to take place. The risk is too great and the risk is known by all.
If I am a landowner I would not allow him to drive out on my property if my property had a dangerous incline to it. He dumps it on my property and gets injured, I am could be held liable.
Sorry folks, this is going out by professionals and if that professional is smart, they will run it by their insurance before they attempt the extraction. I would bet the state is saying the same thing but the owner does not want to follow the state's guidelines because it is too much money for him to pay. That's why the jeep is still up there.
I don't want my tax dollars going to litigation when he rolls it and dies. This is his bill to take care of, not mine.
Logic speaks again.
:tup:
Weird.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 06, 2015, 02:24:37 PM
If Mark would just answer his phone or answer a text we could a least be closer to some closure of this situation. I'm pretty sure he has Hunt Wa site info by now?
How many times have you called him? What does he owe us? :dunno:
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His eye sore is stuck on public property is it not ? Lost count on number of calls?
So you think he owes you an answered phone call? Of which he has no idea what or who may be on the other line and open himself up to a bashing? I think you are giving yourself a little too much authority.....
It may come across as authority? Which I know I have none. With that said his little three hour cruise which lead to him abandoning his vehicle in the eyes of the public puts all outdoor user groups into more locked gates to public land. Which maybe that was his motive? I don't know? The greenies out there will do cleaver things to sway stuff there direction? Not saying he is or not a greenie? But you never know? The way it looks might have to have a round up of a lot of folks with hand tools and pack frames to get that rig out of the publics eyes?
Post by: Rainier10 on March 06, 2015, 03:07:44 PM
Amen to that. He screwed up and should have to pay. I could easily see a guy like this suing if something went wrong on the extraction.A brand new jeep stuck on the side of a mountain, what does a new jeep cost- $30,000? It can't just be left there forever. Come on. And the helicopter option? Not even an option in my opinion. It's just ridiculous to think that a helicopter should be used, if there's any possible way it can be driven out of there. It's already so close to the highway, it only makes sense to go down with it if that's possible. Why would the landowner even care? Fix whatever damage that may occur and throw in a couple hundred bucks on top of that. If I were the landowner I'd try to help the guy out as much as possible. He did a dumb thing and got himself in quite the predicament. Now it's time to get it off the mountain in the easiest and cheapest way possible. I would hope that most people would do what they could to help him out. I know I would.
The reason that jeep is still on the mountain is Liability.
The state is not going to let him and his buddy take it out. If him or his buddy gets injured/killed, the state could be held liable because they allowed it to take place. The risk is too great and the risk is known by all.
If I am a landowner I would not allow him to drive out on my property if my property had a dangerous incline to it. He dumps it on my property and gets injured, I am could be held liable.
Sorry folks, this is going out by professionals and if that professional is smart, they will run it by their insurance before they attempt the extraction. I would bet the state is saying the same thing but the owner does not want to follow the state's guidelines because it is too much money for him to pay. That's why the jeep is still up there.
I don't want my tax dollars going to litigation when he rolls it and dies. This is his bill to take care of, not mine.
His choices got real narrow and taken out of his hands when he left the road, now he has to follow direction from those in control and pay the piper whatever the cost.
Post by: cbond3318 on March 06, 2015, 03:20:40 PM
If Mark would just answer his phone or answer a text we could a least be closer to some closure of this situation. I'm pretty sure he has Hunt Wa site info by now?
How many times have you called him? What does he owe us? :dunno:
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His eye sore is stuck on public property is it not ? Lost count on number of calls?
So you think he owes you an answered phone call? Of which he has no idea what or who may be on the other line and open himself up to a bashing? I think you are giving yourself a little too much authority.....
It may come across as authority? Which I know I have none. With that said his little three hour cruise which lead to him abandoning his vehicle in the eyes of the public puts all outdoor user groups into more locked gates to public land. Which maybe that was his motive? I don't know? The greenies out there will do cleaver things to sway stuff there direction? Not saying he is or not a greenie? But you never know? The way it looks might have to have a round up of a lot of folks with hand tools and pack frames to get that rig out of the publics eyes?
Its all good, everything can be linked to a much deeper meaning when given time to reflect. I just don't think I would answer the phone nor do "I" expect him too. :)
Post by: M_ray on March 06, 2015, 03:23:23 PM
A brand new jeep stuck on the side of a mountain, what does a new jeep cost- $30,000? It can't just be left there forever. Come on. And the helicopter option? Not even an option in my opinion. It's just ridiculous to think that a helicopter should be used, if there's any possible way it can be driven out of there. It's already so close to the highway, it only makes sense to go down with it if that's possible. Why would the landowner even care? Fix whatever damage that may occur and throw in a couple hundred bucks on top of that. If I were the landowner I'd try to help the guy out as much as possible. He did a dumb thing and got himself in quite the predicament. Now it's time to get it off the mountain in the easiest and cheapest way possible. I would hope that most people would do what they could to help him out. I know I would.
The reason that jeep is still on the mountain is Liability.
The state is not going to let him and his buddy take it out. If him or his buddy gets injured/killed, the state could be held liable because they allowed it to take place. The risk is too great and the risk is known by all.
If I am a landowner I would not allow him to drive out on my property if my property had a dangerous incline to it. He dumps it on my property and gets injured, I am could be held liable.
Sorry folks, this is going out by professionals and if that professional is smart, they will run it by their insurance before they attempt the extraction. I would bet the state is saying the same thing but the owner does not want to follow the state's guidelines because it is too much money for him to pay. That's why the jeep is still up there.
I don't want my tax dollars going to litigation when he rolls it and dies. This is his bill to take care of, not mine.
:yeah: not much else to say ... If a guy cant understand this there's no hope for ya :dunno:
Post by: M_ray on March 06, 2015, 03:24:22 PM
Maybe the guy could borrow some Hookers or Bigger Diggers from someones sand sled :chuckle: Could probably find a logging operation with a skidder to rent too. Rental plus fines would still probably be cheaper than a helo ride unless he could talk the Marines into using it as a training exercise.
Except ... :chuckle: "he said hooker's" :chuckle:
Post by: M_ray on March 06, 2015, 03:26:29 PM
Maybe the guy could borrow some Hookers or Bigger Diggers from someones sand sled :chuckle: Could probably find a logging operation with a skidder to rent too. Rental plus fines would still probably be cheaper than a helo ride unless he could talk the Marines into using it as a training exercise.
Just curios RAd have you ever rented a hooker? :chuckle: do they charge by the hour or by the minute? :chuckle:
Post by: Rainier10 on March 06, 2015, 03:27:42 PM
By the job I believe.Maybe the guy could borrow some Hookers or Bigger Diggers from someones sand sled :chuckle: Could probably find a logging operation with a skidder to rent too. Rental plus fines would still probably be cheaper than a helo ride unless he could talk the Marines into using it as a training exercise.
Just curios RAd have you ever rented a hooker? :chuckle: do they charge by the hour or by the minute? :chuckle:
Post by: cbond3318 on March 06, 2015, 03:36:15 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 06, 2015, 04:01:23 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 06, 2015, 04:15:23 PM
A brand new jeep stuck on the side of a mountain, what does a new jeep cost- $30,000? It can't just be left there forever. Come on. And the helicopter option? Not even an option in my opinion. It's just ridiculous to think that a helicopter should be used, if there's any possible way it can be driven out of there. It's already so close to the highway, it only makes sense to go down with it if that's possible. Why would the landowner even care? Fix whatever damage that may occur and throw in a couple hundred bucks on top of that. If I were the landowner I'd try to help the guy out as much as possible. He did a dumb thing and got himself in quite the predicament. Now it's time to get it off the mountain in the easiest and cheapest way possible. I would hope that most people would do what they could to help him out. I know I would.
The reason that jeep is still on the mountain is Liability.
The state is not going to let him and his buddy take it out. If him or his buddy gets injured/killed, the state could be held liable because they allowed it to take place. The risk is too great and the risk is known by all.
If I am a landowner I would not allow him to drive out on my property if my property had a dangerous incline to it. He dumps it on my property and gets injured, I am could be held liable.
Sorry folks, this is going out by professionals and if that professional is smart, they will run it by their insurance before they attempt the extraction. I would bet the state is saying the same thing but the owner does not want to follow the state's guidelines because it is too much money for him to pay. That's why the jeep is still up there.
I don't want my tax dollars going to litigation when he rolls it and dies. This is his bill to take care of, not mine.
:yeah: I thought the same thing about the liability. No land manager is going to tell a guy they can drive that Jeep off there.
Post by: netcoyote on March 06, 2015, 04:15:53 PM
Maybe the guy could borrow some Hookers or Bigger Diggers from someones sand sled :chuckle: Could probably find a logging operation with a skidder to rent too. Rental plus fines would still probably be cheaper than a helo ride unless he could talk the Marines into using it as a training exercise.
Just curios RAd have you ever rented a hooker? :chuckle: do they charge by the hour or by the minute? :chuckle:
Last I remember, they charge by the "job". :o
Post by: Miles on March 06, 2015, 05:38:43 PM
I'm sorry but I've got to laugh a little at those "the state shouldn't let him move it comments". Can you imagine if the state (coasties) started patrolling the dirt roads and jeep trails? Everyone would have to park and hand over their keys at the first hill with some mud on it.
Post by: HntnFsh on March 06, 2015, 06:09:25 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 06, 2015, 06:42:18 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 06, 2015, 06:44:26 PM
I thought that somebody that had been down to the Jeep has already stated that going downhill was not an option. Besides. Look at the pics. Would you want to be the person even trying to turn that thing around to head down? Not me!
I would drive it down in reverse. Barefoot. Lmao!
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 06, 2015, 06:58:57 PM
Can't figure the orchard owner getting too worked up about egressing through the land. Granted, it is private property, but I say screw that. If the owner happens to be that petty and not grant permission for the extraction (though I would probably deny if it were my property and if asked for for access due to liability), take your fine or trespass ticket and get on with your life. Personally, I don't really care about landowner "rights", if it were my land maybe I would but it's not so I don't really care. I don't know him (her, them?) so am not really worried if I were to trespass except as it may impact my other liberties. If the repercussions are more than my benefit, I would not trespass and the inverse is true as well in this situation.
Not sure where this $10k for the helicopter keeps popping up. We used to rent a copter that would be real close, if not capable, to getting this rig out. We would do an all day charter (8 flying hours) and it cost not much more than $10k.
Post by: 762Armo on March 06, 2015, 07:24:05 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 06, 2015, 07:32:17 PM
Some of the comments here are ridiculous. If you see me stuck somewhere, feel free to leave your cameras in your car or man purse, I'd rather pictures of me didn't end up on hunt wa or anywhere online where I didn't post myself. I didn't read the whole thread, and not sure 100% of what happened, but seems like 99% of you never made a bad decision or a mistake..
Nope, most of us have made at least one mistake, some more. Not many have made a mistake this bad where others can easily see if though. Personally, if I had fond this I would expect to get massively flamed for my idiocy.
Post by: baker5150 on March 06, 2015, 07:41:26 PM
I've been down there and going up isn't a great option and going down is worse. There might be a way on the south side of the ridge but it looks like it gets steeper then where he is sitting, and already has been, before you get to the bottom.
Can't figure the orchard owner getting too worked up about egressing through the land. Granted, it is private property, but I say screw that. If the owner happens to be that petty and not grant permission for the extraction (though I would probably deny if it were my property and if asked for for access due to liability), take your fine or trespass ticket and get on with your life. Personally, I don't really care about landowner "rights", if it were my land maybe I would but it's not so I don't really care. I don't know him (her, them?) so am not really worried if I were to trespass except as it may impact my other liberties. If the repercussions are more than my benefit, I would not trespass and the inverse is true as well in this situation.
Not sure where this $10k for the helicopter keeps popping up. We used to rent a copter that would be real close, if not capable, to getting this rig out. We would do an all day charter (8 flying hours) and it cost not much more than $10k.
We use a heli crane that charge a 10k minimum. I stated thi earlier so I think that's where it's coming from.
There's a lot of insurance involved compared to charter type flights
Post by: bobcat on March 06, 2015, 07:42:33 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 06, 2015, 07:45:05 PM
So $10,000 doesn't seem like it could be too far off.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 06, 2015, 07:53:07 PM
Some of the comments here are ridiculous. If you see me stuck somewhere, feel free to leave your cameras in your car or man purse, I'd rather pictures of me didn't end up on hunt wa or anywhere online where I didn't post myself. I didn't read the whole thread, and not sure 100% of what happened, but seems like 99% of you never made a bad decision or a mistake..
This one was a real obvious, *censored* mistake. I help people that get stuck, but, come on. This is on top of being very stupid, a first timer, who thinks 4WD can go anyplace, like advertised on TV, NOT !. He even had his kid with him...just think if that Jeep rolled, someone would of gotten really hurt or killed. I'll give him credit though, he stopped being an unsafe idiot. I hardcore jeeped for 10 years and I would never done that......
Post by: dontgetcrabs on March 06, 2015, 08:04:35 PM
He even had his kid with him... I hardcore jeeped for 10 years and I would never done that......
The dude is 61. How old is his kid?
And what he did is softcore Jeeping. :tup:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 06, 2015, 08:17:07 PM
Some of the comments here are ridiculous. If you see me stuck somewhere, feel free to leave your cameras in your car or man purse, I'd rather pictures of me didn't end up on hunt wa or anywhere online where I didn't post myself. I didn't read the whole thread, and not sure 100% of what happened, but seems like 99% of you never made a bad decision or a mistake..
This one was a real obvious, *censored* mistake. I help people that get stuck, but, come on. This is on top of being very stupid, a first timer, who thinks 4WD can go anyplace, like advertised on TV, NOT !. He even had his kid with him...just think if that Jeep rolled, someone would of gotten really hurt or killed. I'll give him credit though, he stopped being an unsafe idiot. I hardcore jeeped for 10 years and I would never done that......
I see a missing third option here. With a crafty enough approach perhaps Jeep would be interested in getting this out sooner than later.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 06, 2015, 08:20:03 PM
I've been down there and going up isn't a great option and going down is worse. There might be a way on the south side of the ridge but it looks like it gets steeper then where he is sitting, and already has been, before you get to the bottom.
Can't figure the orchard owner getting too worked up about egressing through the land. Granted, it is private property, but I say screw that. If the owner happens to be that petty and not grant permission for the extraction (though I would probably deny if it were my property and if asked for for access due to liability), take your fine or trespass ticket and get on with your life. Personally, I don't really care about landowner "rights", if it were my land maybe I would but it's not so I don't really care. I don't know him (her, them?) so am not really worried if I were to trespass except as it may impact my other liberties. If the repercussions are more than my benefit, I would not trespass and the inverse is true as well in this situation.
Not sure where this $10k for the helicopter keeps popping up. We used to rent a copter that would be real close, if not capable, to getting this rig out. We would do an all day charter (8 flying hours) and it cost not much more than $10k.
We use a heli crane that charge a 10k minimum. I stated thi earlier so I think that's where it's coming from.
There's a lot of insurance involved compared to charter type flights
Maybe Temsco is AK operated differently, which is likely with it being in AK, but we lifted boats, pallets of fish food, 48'x3' steel net pen walkways, bundles of lumber, fuel drums, etc. There was more than one load that the helicopter just could not lift. There were many others where we had to wait until the helicopter was getting light on fuel before we could lift it. We paid by the hour and chartered it anywhere from 4-12 hours annually. It broke down to about $31 per minute and I made sure the crew knew that if they were screwing off I was gonna start taking that $31/minute out of their wages😄
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 06, 2015, 08:25:57 PM
:chuckle: Some of the guys I knew that would be involved with helicopter logging said it was crazy. They would stage everything they could before the helicopters go there and drank a ton of water. As soon as it was on the site, they were running back and forth as fast as they could. Think it was every minute the helicopter was there less than scheduled they each earned a beer.I've been down there and going up isn't a great option and going down is worse. There might be a way on the south side of the ridge but it looks like it gets steeper then where he is sitting, and already has been, before you get to the bottom.
Can't figure the orchard owner getting too worked up about egressing through the land. Granted, it is private property, but I say screw that. If the owner happens to be that petty and not grant permission for the extraction (though I would probably deny if it were my property and if asked for for access due to liability), take your fine or trespass ticket and get on with your life. Personally, I don't really care about landowner "rights", if it were my land maybe I would but it's not so I don't really care. I don't know him (her, them?) so am not really worried if I were to trespass except as it may impact my other liberties. If the repercussions are more than my benefit, I would not trespass and the inverse is true as well in this situation.
Not sure where this $10k for the helicopter keeps popping up. We used to rent a copter that would be real close, if not capable, to getting this rig out. We would do an all day charter (8 flying hours) and it cost not much more than $10k.
We use a heli crane that charge a 10k minimum. I stated thi earlier so I think that's where it's coming from.
There's a lot of insurance involved compared to charter type flights
Maybe Temsco is AK operated differently, which is likely with it being in AK, but we lifted boats, pallets of fish food, 48'x3' steel net pen walkways, bundles of lumber, fuel drums, etc. There was more than one load that the helicopter just could not lift. There were many others where we had to wait until the helicopter was getting light on fuel before we could lift it. We paid by the hour and chartered it anywhere from 4-12 hours annually. It broke down to about $31 per minute and I made sure the crew knew that if they were screwing off I was gonna start taking that $31/minute out of their wages😄
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 06, 2015, 08:32:56 PM
It is not going to happen by going uphill without assistance.
There is always a possibility that going downhill and to the south it could be done.....IF you have a serious death wish. This route would be a combination of steep downhill & sidehill at the same time. Think about it, why did the dude turn around if continuing to go down would have been easier.
It's just a run of the mill Jeep, not worth risking a life for IMO.
Post by: baker5150 on March 06, 2015, 09:15:26 PM
I've been down there and going up isn't a great option and going down is worse. There might be a way on the south side of the ridge but it looks like it gets steeper then where he is sitting, and already has been, before you get to the bottom.
Can't figure the orchard owner getting too worked up about egressing through the land. Granted, it is private property, but I say screw that. If the owner happens to be that petty and not grant permission for the extraction (though I would probably deny if it were my property and if asked for for access due to liability), take your fine or trespass ticket and get on with your life. Personally, I don't really care about landowner "rights", if it were my land maybe I would but it's not so I don't really care. I don't know him (her, them?) so am not really worried if I were to trespass except as it may impact my other liberties. If the repercussions are more than my benefit, I would not trespass and the inverse is true as well in this situation.
Not sure where this $10k for the helicopter keeps popping up. We used to rent a copter that would be real close, if not capable, to getting this rig out. We would do an all day charter (8 flying hours) and it cost not much more than $10k.
We use a heli crane that charge a 10k minimum. I stated thi earlier so I think that's where it's coming from.
There's a lot of insurance involved compared to charter type flights
Maybe Temsco is AK operated differently, which is likely with it being in AK, but we lifted boats, pallets of fish food, 48'x3' steel net pen walkways, bundles of lumber, fuel drums, etc. There was more than one load that the helicopter just could not lift. There were many others where we had to wait until the helicopter was getting light on fuel before we could lift it. We paid by the hour and chartered it anywhere from 4-12 hours annually. It broke down to about $31 per minute and I made sure the crew knew that if they were screwing off I was gonna start taking that $31/minute out of their wages😄
The 10k was for the first 4 hours. Can't remember what it was after that. We never exceeded it.
Post by: Ddouble on March 06, 2015, 09:58:13 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 06, 2015, 09:58:29 PM
He even had his kid with him... I hardcore jeeped for 10 years and I would never done that......
The dude is 61. How old is his kid?
And what he did is softcore Jeeping. :tup:
Might of been his granddaughter then. He had very nice penmanship by the way...
Softcore jeeping that would of scared me to death....... :tup:
Post by: Dan-o on March 06, 2015, 10:41:44 PM
Not as much fun as a helicopter or trespassing, but.....
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 06, 2015, 10:48:19 PM
Don't you think he'd make it out if he chained up all 4 with some big old V-bar chains all the way around?I do. I look at the pictures and what little tread he has is packed and leaving him basically running slicks.
Not as much fun as a helicopter or trespassing, but.....
Post by: Romulus1297 on March 06, 2015, 11:01:09 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 06, 2015, 11:23:18 PM
Post by: _TONY_ on March 06, 2015, 11:25:08 PM
Don't you think he'd make it out if he chained up all 4 with some big old V-bar chains all the way around?
Not as much fun as a helicopter or trespassing, but.....
:yeah:
Post by: Romulus1297 on March 06, 2015, 11:32:37 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 07, 2015, 12:02:53 AM
He is a lot closer to the orchard than back up to the top.
Really!!
I had to go back to Nock Nock's Reply #165 on: March 02, 2015, 08:02:45 PM and read it again. Guess I read it backward the first time :chuckle: Now it's making more sense, Doh :P
Glad I'm not Mark!
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 07, 2015, 05:46:39 AM
I bet someone stole his new rig rallied it till it stopped going and already had his info in the car. Left a funny note with his cell number and walked home.
Post by: elkrack on March 07, 2015, 08:17:18 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 07, 2015, 10:41:56 AM
How much cable would you need on a skidder winch to reach him from the top? I've seen them winch some fully loaded log trucks up some real nasty stuff. If there is a straight line you'd think a Jeep would be child's play no matter how steep and slippery it is :dunno:
That's exactly what I'm saying. With a Wrangler, you wouldn't even need anybody to be IN the car either, just put it in neutral and it'll roll forever.
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2015, 12:03:27 PM
Post by: zike on March 07, 2015, 12:09:06 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 07, 2015, 12:16:39 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 07, 2015, 12:18:12 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 07, 2015, 12:20:25 PM
It's moving I hear.
Were all moving as the earth spins! :chuckle:
For real? :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2015, 12:22:14 PM
Post by: hrd2fnd on March 07, 2015, 12:31:09 PM
Nice day for a Jeep recovery! :tup::yeah:
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2015, 12:36:08 PM
3000' of cable off of a tow truck. Attempt #1 failed yesterday. Back at it today with the extra cable.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 07, 2015, 12:45:37 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 07, 2015, 12:59:46 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 07, 2015, 01:02:29 PM
Post by: MADMAX on March 07, 2015, 01:15:44 PM
Never illegal off road, actually got stuck up on the Tieton on a 2 track, snow melt makes it tough unless your way set up for it
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 07, 2015, 01:16:27 PM
Post by: emac on March 07, 2015, 01:59:19 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 07, 2015, 02:10:35 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 07, 2015, 02:15:26 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 07, 2015, 03:08:44 PM
Two barbie jeeps getting pulled off a steep slop on the same day. And there red!!!!!
.........at least they weren't pink and ended up in someones Avatar, thank god.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 07, 2015, 03:25:41 PM
Two barbie jeeps getting pulled off a steep slop on the same day. And there red!!!!!
Good thing that girl was there to get you out. :chuckle:
Post by: haugenna on March 07, 2015, 05:11:23 PM
Post by: mtbeav on March 07, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
Post by: hrd2fnd on March 07, 2015, 06:37:33 PM
Two barbie jeeps getting pulled off a steep slop on the same day. And there red!!!!!
Makes me happy to see safety precautions were being used.
.........at least they weren't pink and ended up in someones Avatar, thank god.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 07, 2015, 06:40:51 PM
Post by: Jacque on March 07, 2015, 06:50:17 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 07, 2015, 07:37:21 PM
Post by: hrd2fnd on March 07, 2015, 07:40:45 PM
Post by: mtbeav on March 07, 2015, 07:44:11 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on March 07, 2015, 08:02:37 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2015, 08:45:02 PM
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Rocks flying and lots of bitter brush getting run over again.
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Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 07, 2015, 08:58:03 PM
Post by: JWEBB on March 07, 2015, 09:07:24 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 08, 2015, 12:05:37 AM
Thanks for posting pics, those were great and the video too.
Post by: Jburke on March 08, 2015, 03:24:58 AM
I'm surprised the windows are still intact, the tires /wheels still on it.I was wondering this also. Surprised someone didn't put a hole or two in it while it sat there for that long.
Post by: RadSav on March 08, 2015, 03:49:12 AM
I'm surprised the windows are still intact, the tires /wheels still on it.I was wondering this also. Surprised someone didn't put a hole or two in it while it sat there for that long.
You guys must have considerably more motivated vandals than we have around here. Though rolling a tire or two from that far up on the hill sounds like a lot of fun!
Post by: netcoyote on March 08, 2015, 06:14:18 AM
What are we going to talk about now?! :cryriver:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 08, 2015, 06:27:35 AM
The end result of this is way less entertainment than you all hyped it up to be. This thread is knee high to a nat compared to Bigfoot.
Post by: RadSav on March 08, 2015, 07:00:14 AM
I think we've.... :beatdeadhorse:
What are we going to talk about now?! :cryriver:
Back doors and perpetual losers...at least for a week or two.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 08, 2015, 09:11:12 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 08, 2015, 09:46:03 AM
Post by: Ddouble on March 08, 2015, 09:56:07 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 08, 2015, 10:48:40 AM
Isn't that a wolf in the top centre of the last picture....:-)
Nope just a bigfoots shape shifting to see what all ways going on in his neck of the woods. ;) >:( >:(
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 08, 2015, 11:47:29 AM
Glad that they got it moving, nice to see the guy doing repairs on the way out.
Thanks for posting pics, those were great and the video too.
Where is the video???
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2015, 11:54:43 AM
Post by: scoyoc5 on March 08, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
Post by: mountainman on March 08, 2015, 05:01:33 PM
What was the issue with the videos? :dunno:??
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2015, 05:10:39 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 08, 2015, 05:47:56 PM
I got iphone video sent to me and uploaded it through tapatalk. Tapatalk uploads through Vimeo. A member said after one of the videos played, some adult content came up. Not willing to take a chance Of that happening again, I pulled them. For what it's worth, it was 2 not so entertaining, 30 second videos of the jeep really slowly getting winched up the mountain. Nothing exciting at all. Pretty much exactly what you see in the pictures.
Was Nock Nock in the first 30 seconds in the adult content before the jeep video ? We need complete transparency here. We need to see why you pulled it..... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: Jburke on March 08, 2015, 05:52:44 PM
There are lots of other idiots that would be willing to take a few hail mary shots at it if they were around.I'm surprised the windows are still intact, the tires /wheels still on it.I was wondering this also. Surprised someone didn't put a hole or two in it while it sat there for that long.
You guys must have considerably more motivated vandals than we have around here. Though rolling a tire or two from that far up on the hill sounds like a lot of fun!
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 08, 2015, 06:07:07 PM
I got iphone video sent to me and uploaded it through tapatalk. Tapatalk uploads through Vimeo. A member said after one of the videos played, some adult content came up. Not willing to take a chance Of that happening again, I pulled them. For what it's worth, it was 2 not so entertaining, 30 second videos of the jeep really slowly getting winched up the mountain. Nothing exciting at all. Pretty much exactly what you see in the pictures.
Was Nock Nock in the first 30 seconds in the adult content before the jeep video ? We need complete transparency here. We need to see why you pulled it..... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup: :tup: :tup:
SSShhhhh Camp don't let em know about my "other" job :devil: :police: :-* :-X
I am pretty good with the wood though :o :sry:
Post by: mountainman on March 08, 2015, 06:41:26 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on March 08, 2015, 06:51:45 PM
New life :chuckle:
Post by: Rainier10 on March 08, 2015, 07:04:18 PM
No adult contact came up in the videos I saw.
Post by: mkcj on March 08, 2015, 07:04:54 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 08, 2015, 07:12:35 PM
Post by: 92xj on March 08, 2015, 07:14:21 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 08, 2015, 07:28:09 PM
It looked like he was trying to repair the road as it was being pulled out, glad to see it off the mountain. Only wish the bigfoot thread would die with this one!AMEN BROTHA!!!!
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2015, 07:28:42 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2015, 07:33:26 PM
Who sent the video in?
It was an iPhone video through a spotting scope from the highway texted to me from a friend who shall remain nameless. I wasn't sure if I could upload an iPhone video to the forum so I tried it. Tapatalk, the app I use to surf the forum on my phone, compresses the video and uploads it via a Vimeo link automatically. Never tried it before. Anyway.... I never saw it either so don't know what it was or why. Just got told it was there so I nuked it. If you really want to see it, pm your cell # and I'll text it to you.
Not much to see though. I concur, a guy was working on the damage. You can see him in one of the pictures I posted too.
Post by: _TONY_ on March 08, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
Do they have a teenage boy still living in the house :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2015, 07:37:42 PM
Was the adult content in an ad? In most cases, those ad portholes look into your temporary internet files and cookies and places relevant ads to what it thinks you like.
Do they have a teenage boy still living in the house :chuckle: :chuckle:
Didn't see it. Don't know.
Post by: Skillet on March 08, 2015, 07:41:01 PM
Darnit.
Post by: Buckmark on March 08, 2015, 07:50:25 PM
Post by: Dan-o on March 08, 2015, 07:54:17 PM
It looked like he was trying to repair the road as it was being pulled out, glad to see it off the mountain. Only wish the bigfoot thread would die with this one!AMEN BROTHA!!!!
DO NOT SCREW WITH THE BIG FOOT THREAD!!!!!
You guys can have all the fun you want with the lighthearted stuck Jeep thread, but when you screw with Big Foot thread people get upset. Trust me, I know. Only maximum seriosity is allowed on the Big Foot thread. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Besides, we passed 10,000 posts on that thread, so you know it's important. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 08, 2015, 08:09:57 PM
Good learning experience. Bet he goes in prepared next time.
Exactly that........ :yeah:
Post by: Curly on March 08, 2015, 08:14:55 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 08, 2015, 08:18:50 PM
maximum seriosity
Stealing that.
Post by: mfswallace on March 08, 2015, 10:15:02 PM
It looked like he was trying to repair the road as it was being pulled out, glad to see it off the mountain. Only wish the bigfoot thread would die with this one!AMEN BROTHA!!!!
DO NOT SCREW WITH THE BIG FOOT THREAD!!!!!
You guys can have all the fun you want with the lighthearted stuck Jeep thread, but when you screw with Big Foot thread people get upset. Trust me, I know. Only maximum seriosity is allowed on the Big Foot thread. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Besides, we passed 10,000 posts on that thread, so you know it's important. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
This is a deer hunting thread :tung:
Post by: RadSav on March 08, 2015, 10:35:12 PM
I also heard that Mr. Brandt is going to post a "thank you" letter to mfswallace plus an apology to the environmental police and that you can expect that to be posted in an Elk Hunting thread some time next week :chuckle:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 09, 2015, 06:06:28 AM
Elk hunting.....
Post by: mfswallace on March 09, 2015, 08:15:14 AM
I heard that mfswallace donated the tow truck so this thread could get flushed from the deer hunting files ;)
I also heard that Mr. Brandt is going to post a "thank you" letter to mfswallace plus an apology to the environmental police and that you can expect that to be posted in an Elk Hunting thread some time next week :chuckle:
Mr. Brandt would like me to pass on his regrets about this incident and to inform all of you that he doesn't care one iota about where this mini saga of a thread is posted but if he had a say, Fishing would be his choice. He says the 3000' of cable and the 4hr reel in was one of the hardest fought retrievals he has ever done. This is coming from a man who has landed a 879lb yellow fin off the coast of Maine in 2007. He realizes heels have been dug in, much like his tires in the soft hillside and although it doesn't make much sense for this thread to be in deer hunting when there more appropriate options he would point out that he did eventually manage to pull up from the depths of the Sea of Tears(enviro police created) his heaviest catch to date so still is optimistic this thread might make its way to fishing 🎣
I'm just the messenger and enjoying the 3hr tour on the S.S. Minnow with Mr. Brandt :drool:
Post by: cbond3318 on March 09, 2015, 08:26:51 AM
Good learning experience. Bet he goes in prepared next time.
:yeah: maybe a line a little further to the east and he should be fine. Plus I would let that hill dry out a little bit before trying again, maybe june-ish early July but be prepared for just a nice day drive cause the sheds will be gone by then.
little reminder for everyone, never 4x with your boots on, never no when you'll need to bail. :tup:
Post by: huntnphool on March 09, 2015, 09:48:24 AM
Good learning experience. Bet he goes in prepared next time.Plus I would let that hill dry out a little bit before trying again, maybe june
It's not that it's wet and needs to dry, it's like pea gravel. Would probably have better traction if it were wet and frozen.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 09, 2015, 10:03:38 AM
Post by: Curly on March 09, 2015, 12:45:49 PM
Post by: TheHunt on March 09, 2015, 01:33:10 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 09, 2015, 02:01:55 PM
Mr. Brandt would like me to pass on his regrets about this incident and to inform all of you that he doesn't care one iota about where this mini saga of a thread is posted but if he had a say, Fishing would be his choice. He says the 3000' of cable and the 4hr reel in was one of the hardest fought retrievals he has ever done. This is coming from a man who has landed a 879lb yellow fin off the coast of Maine in 2007. He realizes heels have been dug in, much like his tires in the soft hillside and although it doesn't make much sense for this thread to be in deer hunting when there more appropriate options he would point out that he did eventually manage to pull up from the depths of the Sea of Tears(enviro police created) his heaviest catch to date so still is optimistic this thread might make its way to fishing 🎣
I'm just the messenger and enjoying the 3hr tour on the S.S. Minnow with Mr. Brandt :drool:
:tup: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: turbo on March 09, 2015, 02:52:23 PM
Post by: Igor on March 09, 2015, 05:26:03 PM
Should have called AAA. :chuckle:
Might have worked. My truck broke once WAY out in the middle of nowhere in Idaho. I called AAA. I was 92 miles from the nearest town, and they said as long as it was not more than 100 miles, they would come pick it up. They sent a flatbed tow truck, and hauled it to the nearest dealership to be repaired.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 09, 2015, 05:48:01 PM
Should have called AAA. :chuckle:
:yeah: :chuckle: Called them that day it got stuck.......
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 09, 2015, 06:04:37 PM
Should have called AAA. :chuckle:
Might have worked. My truck broke once WAY out in the middle of nowhere in Idaho. I called AAA. I was 92 miles from the nearest town, and they said as long as it was not more than 100 miles, they would come pick it up. They sent a flatbed tow truck, and hauled it to the nearest dealership to be repaired.
Maybe I should look into AAA, I don't think there is a road in WA that is 100 miles from a town. I don't plan on getting stuck, but I don't think Mark did either and he was driving a Jeep. I don't drive a Jeep so I KNOW getting stuck is a distinct possibility, Jeep owners can't get stuck unless they just do not have the testicular fortitude :chuckle:
Good learning experience. Bet he goes in prepared next time.Plus I would let that hill dry out a little bit before trying again, maybe june
It's not that it's wet and needs to dry, it's like pea gravel. Would probably have better traction if it were wet and frozen.
Good pic, that is the point I kept trying to get across to people that kept saying just chain up and drive out. Even frozen or wet it sucks. It is so well drained and loamy that for a short, wet cold spell only the surface freezes and the ground underneath is super soft. If it warms up after a long cold spell the top melts into grease while the frozen ground underneath stays uber slick. When it is wet, or even damp, there are enough fines that it cakes into tread and gets really slick, not to mention there is no cohesion and squishes into some epic ruts. Really the only time that ground is solid us when it is wet and then has a good, long freeze but not so long that the moisture sublimates.
I am disappointed this train wreck has almost come to a end, one can only discuss Bigfoot, which cartridge is best (the .270 Win. OR .375 RUM) for mule deer over 78 yards but under 891 yards but also good for whitetails eating apples at 131 yards, and then the merits of different camouflage patterns and why you need a camo coordinated hunting outfit (including underwear) for sitting in a blind to shoot a deer eating apples at 163 meters with your .338 Edge. :)
Post by: runningboard on March 09, 2015, 07:19:09 PM
I have AAA Premier RV because it covers my motorcycles and truck and camper combo since I no longer have an "RV" but being 'premier" the towing is for 200 miles. my daughter had car troubles at the wild horses turnout above Vantage and the tow truck brought her and car all the way back to the mechanic shop of my choice in GMU 117Should have called AAA. :chuckle:
Might have worked. My truck broke once WAY out in the middle of nowhere in Idaho. I called AAA. I was 92 miles from the nearest town, and they said as long as it was not more than 100 miles, they would come pick it up. They sent a flatbed tow truck, and hauled it to the nearest dealership to be repaired.
Maybe I should look into AAA, I don't think there is a road in WA that is 100 miles from a town. I don't plan on getting stuck, but I don't think Mark did either and he was driving a Jeep. I don't drive a Jeep so I KNOW getting stuck is a distinct possibility, Jeep owners can't get stuck unless they just do not have the testicular fortitude :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on March 09, 2015, 07:39:58 PM
I have AAA Premier RV because it covers my motorcycles and truck and camper combo since I no longer have an "RV" but being 'premier" the towing is for 200 miles. my daughter had car troubles at the wild horses turnout above Vantage and the tow truck brought her and car all the way back to the mechanic shop of my choice in GMU 117
Wow, that's some service! :tup: Wonder if an old, ugly, fat guy would get the same treatment? :chuckle:
Post by: woodswalker on March 09, 2015, 07:57:47 PM
Pretty simple, use a loader or a cat for a tailhold. Yeah you could do it...its a long run...but very doable...also need some tiebacks for the yarder too, not a lot of trees there.This guy is never going to live this one down... And he shouldn't!
I would think that if you could get a log yarder to the top of that "hill" along with extra cable and 3-4 experienced loggers it could be out in half a day?
can't think that'd be any cheaper than a copter ride. It takes a lot to move a yarder and get it set up and forget about it if it's on a job already.
I worked under a yarder for a while so I have a good idea what it takes to move it and get setup.
I'm not a logger and genuinely have no clue....but where would you anchor the sky line on the bottom end? And how far could you run this cable?
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 09, 2015, 08:02:38 PM
I have AAA Premier RV because it covers my motorcycles and truck and camper combo since I no longer have an "RV" but being 'premier" the towing is for 200 miles. my daughter had car troubles at the wild horses turnout above Vantage and the tow truck brought her and car all the way back to the mechanic shop of my choice in GMU 117Should have called AAA. :chuckle:
Might have worked. My truck broke once WAY out in the middle of nowhere in Idaho. I called AAA. I was 92 miles from the nearest town, and they said as long as it was not more than 100 miles, they would come pick it up. They sent a flatbed tow truck, and hauled it to the nearest dealership to be repaired.
Maybe I should look into AAA, I don't think there is a road in WA that is 100 miles from a town. I don't plan on getting stuck, but I don't think Mark did either and he was driving a Jeep. I don't drive a Jeep so I KNOW getting stuck is a distinct possibility, Jeep owners can't get stuck unless they just do not have the testicular fortitude :chuckle:
I always thought AAA towed where ever when ever until I needed it and only went 30miles or something for our plan.... So it got uped real fast. It is a must have when long hauling for fishing and hunting trips.
Post by: Special T on March 09, 2015, 11:04:03 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 10, 2015, 06:02:12 AM
That monstrosity is the reason BP has server updates so often :chuckle:
Also, this thread has real photographic evidence.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 10, 2015, 11:24:57 AM
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ENTIAT – It’s taken two days, 3,000 feet of winch cable and 4.5 hours of careful hauling, but the jeep that was stuck on a hillside north of Entiat is now safely back in its garage.
And owner Mark Brandt is overwhelmed by the generosity of others.
Post by: ghosthunter on March 10, 2015, 11:53:05 AM
I have AAA Premier RV because it covers my motorcycles and truck and camper combo since I no longer have an "RV" but being 'premier" the towing is for 200 miles. my daughter had car troubles at the wild horses turnout above Vantage and the tow truck brought her and car all the way back to the mechanic shop of my choice in GMU 117Should have called AAA. :chuckle:
Might have worked. My truck broke once WAY out in the middle of nowhere in Idaho. I called AAA. I was 92 miles from the nearest town, and they said as long as it was not more than 100 miles, they would come pick it up. They sent a flatbed tow truck, and hauled it to the nearest dealership to be repaired.
Maybe I should look into AAA, I don't think there is a road in WA that is 100 miles from a town. I don't plan on getting stuck, but I don't think Mark did either and he was driving a Jeep. I don't drive a Jeep so I KNOW getting stuck is a distinct possibility, Jeep owners can't get stuck unless they just do not have the testicular fortitude :chuckle:
I always thought AAA towed where ever when ever until I needed it and only went 30miles or something for our plan.... So it got uped real fast. It is a must have when long hauling for fishing and hunting trips.
Yeah I have had it for years. But they will not send for a truck off payment. Tried it when my buddy got stuck turkey hunting few years ago. My package covers my truck and any RV, I have with me for 100 miles.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 10, 2015, 11:55:42 AM
Stuck Jeep back in owner’s garageI would love to get some clarification on what that means.
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ENTIAT – It’s taken two days, 3,000 feet of winch cable and 4.5 hours of careful hauling, but the jeep that was stuck on a hillside north of Entiat is now safely back in its garage.
And owner Mark Brandt is overwhelmed by the generosity of others.
Post by: huntnphool on March 10, 2015, 11:58:01 AM
I have AAA Premier RV because it covers my motorcycles and truck and camper combo since I no longer have an "RV" but being 'premier" the towing is for 200 miles. my daughter had car troubles at the wild horses turnout above Vantage and the tow truck brought her and car all the way back to the mechanic shop of my choice in GMU 117Should have called AAA. :chuckle:
Might have worked. My truck broke once WAY out in the middle of nowhere in Idaho. I called AAA. I was 92 miles from the nearest town, and they said as long as it was not more than 100 miles, they would come pick it up. They sent a flatbed tow truck, and hauled it to the nearest dealership to be repaired.
Maybe I should look into AAA, I don't think there is a road in WA that is 100 miles from a town. I don't plan on getting stuck, but I don't think Mark did either and he was driving a Jeep. I don't drive a Jeep so I KNOW getting stuck is a distinct possibility, Jeep owners can't get stuck unless they just do not have the testicular fortitude :chuckle:
I always thought AAA towed where ever when ever until I needed it and only went 30miles or something for our plan.... So it got uped real fast. It is a must have when long hauling for fishing and hunting trips.
Yeah I have had it for years. But they will not send for a truck off payment.
A couple years ago my buddies truck had a front bearing go out about 35 miles off of the nearest pavement and AAA took care of it. ;)
Post by: WAmuleyHunter on March 10, 2015, 12:11:42 PM
And owner Mark Brandt is overwhelmed by the generosity of others.
“Ninety nine point nine percent of the people out there are good, honest, decent folks,” says Brandt, who says he’s received offers of help from as far away as Minnesota.
“They just want to help you out,” he said. “They don’t want to mess with you. They don’t want to hurt you. And, if given half a chance, they’ll help you. To a person, that’s how things have gone.”
Brandt was exploring U.S. Forest Service roads in his new Jeep on Feb. 19, when he strayed from the roadway and got stuck on a steep, unstable hillside overlooking Highway 97A, just above Ribbon Cliff Orchard.
He abandoned the vehicle, but left a sign in the windshield with his name, phone number and the message, “Gone for help.”
Off-roaders posted news and photos of “the stuck Jeep guy’s” predicament on Internet social media and tipped The Wenatchee World. Word got around that “the stuck-Jeep guy,” as Brandt says he’s come to be known, needed help.
A Forest Service official initially declined to let Brandt back on the sandy hillside. The Jeep, he told Brandt, may have to airlifted off for safety.
That changed Friday, when they discovered a quicker route to the Jeep through Entiat’s Crum Canyon. Brandt hired Randy’s Towing of Wenatchee to extricate the vehicle.
Ray Caveness, location manger for Randy’s Wenatchee office, called the recovery the most technically challenging of his career.
“That hill was just kicking our butts,” Caveness said Tuesday. “Everyone’s knees were just aching. If a line would have snapped, and something would have gone bad, that jeep would have gone down that hill at 60 mph.”
Fortunately, it didn’t. The crew arrived Friday to begin hauling lengths of heavy, steel tow cable down the hill on foot. They needed 3,000 feet of the cable — about 7,000 pounds worth — to stretch between a medium-duty tow truck and the Jeep, stuck at an elevation change of 1,800 feet below on unstable ground, he said.
They finished laying cable and started the 4-hour job to winch the Jeep up the hill by mid-afternoon Saturday, but didn’t get their cables collected and off the hill until after 7 p.m.
Brandt says he still doesn’t know what the recovery will cost. Caveness says it will be “pricey.”
Brandt says his auto insurance will likely cover it.
Through the ordeal, he’s discovered that the looks of a hillside can be deceiving.
“I’m an old elk hunter,” Brandt said Monday. I’ve been on snowy, muddy, rutted roads. I’ve seen all kinds of bad roads. But this didn’t look anything like that. It just got so steep so fast.”
His advice to other adventure seekers: “Have a good map. Have a good plan. If it looks sketchy, don’t go in there. Don’t do it.”
Post by: bobcat on March 10, 2015, 12:18:08 PM
Post by: haugenna on March 10, 2015, 12:21:49 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 10, 2015, 12:24:28 PM
"strayed from the roadway" YA THINK? ???
"I've been on snowy, muddy, rutted roads but this didn't look anything like that..." Well maybe because you weren't on a road >:(
Post by: WAmuleyHunter on March 10, 2015, 12:26:24 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 10, 2015, 12:36:14 PM
Post by: Curly on March 10, 2015, 12:43:29 PM
Post by: TheHunt on March 10, 2015, 01:45:11 PM
Now the evidential fines how are we going to find that out?
How much the tow? "Pricey" was not very declarative.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 10, 2015, 01:57:24 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on March 10, 2015, 02:02:56 PM
Post by: bearhunter99 on March 10, 2015, 02:06:19 PM
Probably should have gotten a quote first
Post by: WARHORSE on March 10, 2015, 02:11:04 PM
Am hearing Wenatchee world online is saying tow bill is $17,200... :yike:
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Hahaha that will teach him.
Post by: Woodchuck on March 10, 2015, 02:17:02 PM
Seems pretty expensive for a couple days work with a medium sized tow truck..........Well consider that truck is out of service for anything else. Plus at least one guy as well for those 2 days. How many other calls would that truck have made? I looked into a tow truck recently, you might be shocked what it costs just to have one. I would have flat told him "it will cost what it costs".
Probably should have gotten a quote first
Post by: cbond3318 on March 10, 2015, 02:18:39 PM
Am hearing Wenatchee world online is saying tow bill is $17,200... :yike:
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Hahaha that will teach him.
Oh yeah, rape him into submission... works every time. :bash:
Post by: fishngamereaper on March 10, 2015, 02:40:22 PM
That's cheap for two days. Once that truck left the shop the meter was running. $160-$180 an hour on average, wages for an extra guy or two, added costs for the high angle work and dangers involved... the math works out. Heck, sound like he got a discount
Post by: netcoyote on March 10, 2015, 02:51:08 PM
I wonder what his insurance company will say when they get the bill? :o
I see a lot here about insurance, but, if his insurance is anything like mine, he's got a cap on actual amount, distance or some type of qualifier. Maybe I've got an unusual policy but I can't see any insurance company today allowing their exposure to something as stupid and expensive as this situation. Even if they would pay this crazy bill, the guy's going to get sticker shock when his policy comes up for renewal. :yike:
Post by: Knocker of rocks on March 10, 2015, 03:06:38 PM
Post by: WARHORSE on March 10, 2015, 04:08:54 PM
Am hearing Wenatchee world online is saying tow bill is $17,200... :yike:
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Hahaha that will teach him.
Oh yeah, rape him into submission... works every time. :bash:
The guy made a mistake everyone does some are just more costly then others. And if it doesnt teach him he should have to pay what it cost to get him outta his pickle again. Iam not sayin he should even be fined by the forest circus, dnr. Or game dept. That price is what it cost the tow company to recover the vehicle. Why is that bad?
Post by: bobcat on March 10, 2015, 04:56:50 PM
Post by: Curly on March 10, 2015, 05:28:35 PM
Post by: Miles on March 10, 2015, 05:39:29 PM
Am hearing Wenatchee world online is saying tow bill is $17,200... :yike:
For that price he should've pointed it down hill and jumped out...
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 10, 2015, 06:18:30 PM
Sounds like it may have been cheaper to fly it off the mountain.
That is what I was thinking! I think I would have don a bit more homework on the whole situation, maybe he did but it does not sound like it.
Kind of funny that they "found" a quicker way in up Crum Canyon, that is how I accessed the area and had to scratch my head when they said a gate was closed when I had just been up there.
Not often the cost of your new Jeep almost doubles two days after buying it without putting a whole lot of good bolt ons. Betting he is thinking a winch, jack, Pulaski, GPS, Forest service maps, etc. would have been cheap by comparison now. :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on March 10, 2015, 06:48:05 PM
Betting he is thinking a winch, jack, Pulaski, GPS, Forest service maps, etc. would have been cheap by comparison now. :chuckle:
Bet he is thinking that last six pack was awful expensive.
Post by: KFhunter on March 10, 2015, 07:43:25 PM
good to see him with the shovel too.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 10, 2015, 08:15:16 PM
Sounds like it may have been cheaper to fly it off the mountain.
That is what I was thinking! I think I would have don a bit more homework on the whole situation, maybe he did but it does not sound like it.
Kind of funny that they "found" a quicker way in up Crum Canyon, that is how I accessed the area and had to scratch my head when they said a gate was closed when I had just been up there.
Not often the cost of your new Jeep almost doubles two days after buying it without putting a whole lot of good bolt ons. Betting he is thinking a winch, jack, Pulaski, GPS, Forest service maps, etc. would have been cheap by comparison now. :chuckle:
I was thinking the same thing. Who's "they" the Forest Service?
One would think the FS would know their terrain better :bash: :bash:...Did I actually just say that :chuckle: :sry:
Post by: Watimberghost on March 10, 2015, 08:23:42 PM
Bet he is thinking that last six pack was awful expensive.
:yeah:
Post by: jackelope on March 10, 2015, 08:47:13 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 10, 2015, 08:53:34 PM
Seems pretty expensive for a couple days work with a medium sized tow truck..........Well consider that truck is out of service for anything else. Plus at least one guy as well for those 2 days. How many other calls would that truck have made? I looked into a tow truck recently, you might be shocked what it costs just to have one. I would have flat told him "it will cost what it costs".
Probably should have gotten a quote first
Ford had a car towed to us in Bellevue from wenatchee because the dealer there couldn't fix it. Roadside assistance covered the first 35 miles. It was 140-some odd miles and the tow bill was almost $600. About 2.5 hour drive. A job like that was most likely billed out straight time by the hour. Crazy how it would get to $17k but it does add up quick.
Post by: Bean Counter on March 11, 2015, 02:25:06 AM
The insurance company sure shouldn't cover it. :bash:
Keep in mind that your auto insurance pays for jack wagons who don't wear their seatbelt and have their head sticking out of a car window.
Our health insurance premiums are also jacked way up to pay for coronary stents for chain smokers and fatty mcfat faces.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 11, 2015, 05:55:31 AM
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Post by: turkeyfeather on March 11, 2015, 08:06:04 AM
I went from being angry at the guy, to sorry for the guy to just happy he got it out. I wonder how the fine he has to pay will compare to the guys who wiped out all of those whitefish in Banks Lake?Those guys got off with a slap on the wrist. There was an article in the SR this last Sunday about their punishment. :bash:
Post by: Curly on March 11, 2015, 08:29:22 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 11, 2015, 12:36:24 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 11, 2015, 12:38:51 PM
The insurance company sure shouldn't cover it. :bash:
Keep in mind that your auto insurance pays for jack wagons who don't wear their seatbelt and have their head sticking out of a car window.
Our health insurance premiums are also jacked way up to pay for coronary stents for chain smokers and fatty mcfat faces.
We now pay far more for those who pay nothing for their medical insurance than we do for any of the "unhealthy" payers.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 11, 2015, 12:43:43 PM
You now pay for things you can't even be at risk for e.g. men paying coverage for pregnancy complications and other female specific operations.The insurance company sure shouldn't cover it. :bash:
Keep in mind that your auto insurance pays for jack wagons who don't wear their seatbelt and have their head sticking out of a car window.
Our health insurance premiums are also jacked way up to pay for coronary stents for chain smokers and fatty mcfat faces.
We now pay far more for those who pay nothing for their medical insurance than we do for any of the "unhealthy" payers.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 11, 2015, 12:49:18 PM
Post by: big J on March 11, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 11, 2015, 01:29:12 PM
I woulda drove my jeep down there and towed him out for half that price.
So would our 5yr old daughter. We showed her the pics of this event so she knows where not to drive her Barbie Jeep this day and age. She wanted so much to go help him get his Jeep out. She said Dad I have my come along, shovel, Hi Jack lift and my fully stocked recovery box with land anchor and those big pulleys we use every once in awhile..... Glad its off the hill safe and no one got hurt in the process. Hopefully a huge lesson learned for the young LAD........
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 11, 2015, 03:36:08 PM
I woulda drove my jeep down there and towed him out for half that price.
I would of paid money to watch you try. :rolleyes: Two stuck jeeps is double the entertainment of 1. That might get this thread to 60 pages.
Every ones a Pro at the boat launch too :tup: :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on March 13, 2015, 12:08:33 PM
Did he get it out? For us to mobilize out of Oregon there and back and depending on how far we have to fly it back to a road, it would be upwards of $30,000 probably.
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