Post by: JM on March 13, 2015, 09:34:21 AM
I just think that the harder the game department makes it to draw a quality tag in this state the more you will see these free guide services pop up. What Luke is doing is something new and exciting. I'm not sure about everyone else but forking over thousands of dollars for a guide is tough. I remember when I was a kid my dad and grandpa both told me that hunting is going to be a rich mans sport in the future and they were right and it's only going to get worse. My Grandpa guided hound hunts for bear and cat for years so I feel for the licensed guides but what Luke is doing is perfectly legal.
I've been applying for special tags in this state for the last 15 years and have only drawn one spring bear permit in the Tucannon! At this rate if I'm lucky I will only be able to hunt the blues for archery elk 2 maybe 3 times in my life (given that nothing bad happens). Why should I wait around for the game department to pick my name out of a overfilled hat to go on these hunts? If I was smart I would create an advertising scheme to get my name out there so that when people draw these tags in the area that I love to spend time in they will be able to contact me and see if I have time to take them. Luke is finding a way to do what he loves and help out fellow hunters without having to wait for his number to be drawn. I admire that and so should fellow sportsmen
It's my belief that these free guide services are only going to grow and it's one more thing that the licensed guides will have to adapt to in order to stay afloat.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 13, 2015, 09:53:13 AM
Post by: h20hunter on March 13, 2015, 09:59:30 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,171777.msg2271127.html#msg2271127 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,171777.msg2271127.html#msg2271127)
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 13, 2015, 10:02:12 AM
Luke Carrick is basically a guy who spends an inordinate amount of time in the woods and volunteers his time to go on draw hunts with guys for free.
This rubs people the wrong way, especially some of the guides on this site.
I've actually had a long conversation with Luke, and I totally get it. It's the same reason fillthefreezer is so excited I drew my Wenaha tag this year, or if and when another friend of mine draws an OIL tag. Just to go i those hunts is enough, and if I can lend my back or expertise Im in!
Good on Luke.
But I also understand the hesitancy for guys on here with the "to good to be true" mentality.
Keep on doing your thing man.
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Post by: h20hunter on March 13, 2015, 10:04:47 AM
The rub for a few members is that the posting/linking to his website has been removed. See Dales comments. It seems very cut and dry and certainly doesn't need a whole 'nother thread to argue the point.
Post by: JM on March 13, 2015, 10:12:32 AM
I just referenced Luke and Guiderite adventures because he is the only one that I know of that is doing this.
So I'm not to blame if this thread spins off into something else.
Post by: ballpark on March 13, 2015, 11:20:41 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 13, 2015, 11:46:00 AM
Post by: Netminder01 on March 13, 2015, 11:49:39 AM
Post by: rtspring on March 13, 2015, 12:20:29 PM
Some people just like to whine......
Kudos for helping fellow hunters to this guy..
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 13, 2015, 12:30:46 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 13, 2015, 12:33:07 PM
I think that neither side is in the wrong or anything here. I think it is awesome that the guy offers to help people free of charge. If I had the chance, I would love to do the same thing because I just love getting out in the woods any time I can. The issue is not with what he is doing, but with forum rules as far as solicitation from a non-sponsor. If the guy just posted up a thing offering free help to anyone who draws and then via PM, text, phone call whatever, said "hey, I also have a website at xyz.com, you should check it out" then all is good and both sides are happy.
Carry on. :tup:
Post by: Woodchuck on March 13, 2015, 12:45:45 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 13, 2015, 12:49:22 PM
The Guide Rite Adventures website offers free guiding and has an advertisement to a website called Magpul Core which sells classes. So there were two issues to resolve, first to determine if Guide Rite is a legal and free guide service and second to determine if Guide Rite is selling classes and if they should be a sponsor.
The current policy of H-W is that private sales are free but commercial advertisers pay to be a sponsor. These sponsor fees pay for the monthly rental of the dedicated site server and the technical help often needed to keep the site running. We see all kinds of attempts by commercial endeavors to gain free advertising, so this is routine for us to check out posts that appear to be commercial in nature.
I learned that Magpul Core is the new name for Magpul Dynamics which is a current forum sponsor and owned by CalenW. So I contacted CaylenW and Lov2Hunt (guiderite) to find answers to my questions. Here is what I learned:
Lov2Hunt has a successful career so he offers the free guide service so that he can participate in a few great hunts each year rather than wait for himself to draw and go on one great hunt in his lifetime. Because I share the same passion for the outdoors I can see the motivation for him to do this. I've heard accusations but I've seen no evidence and Lov2Hunt says he accepts no compensation, so this is perfectly legal.
It's the policy of H-W to promote hunters helping other hunters therefore Lov2Hunt (guiderite) is welcome to post his offer for free guiding on this board: http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/board,30.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/board,30.0.html)
CaylenW informed me that he changed the name of his business to Magpul Core and that Lov2Hunt (guiderite) helps him with the classes. So the classes are offered by a current forum sponsor, that settles that issue.
That topic is now unlocked, please keep it civil.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 13, 2015, 01:00:47 PM
Post by: Mxracer532 on March 13, 2015, 01:20:07 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 13, 2015, 01:22:58 PM
1. H-W is a forum for individuals to express their own viewpoints. We encourage family friendly civil discussion. Individual viewpoints are not a statement of the policy or viewpoints of H-W Forum. Please don't assume that because you read something posted by someone that it's H-W policy.
2. H-W policies and viewpoints are determined by discussion between the moderators, admins, and myself the owner Dale (bearpaw). If you want to know H-W policies read the stickied topics, contact one of the mod team, or contact Dale (bearpaw).
3. H-W encourages an atmosphere where hunters help each other.
4. H-W also encourages commercial advertising by legal and reputable businesses that we feel will be of interest to our members. This ranges from guides to goods, to real estate, to legal services.
5. Free advertising is provided for private one time sales of items. Breeders and commercial advertisers must become a sponsor to advertise, these sponsor fees are what pay the bills for this forum to stay online.
Post by: JM on March 13, 2015, 01:24:47 PM
JM, why isn't Luke starting threads himself instead of you doing it? Offers to help someone get into critters are great and as RT mentioned, he's been a big help to a few members is that capacity. But without hearing from the guy personally and getting from him just what the deal is, it sounds suspicious and being that it's a guide service and not just some guy, has the potential to undermine the paying guide services who sponsor our site. It would be great if your friend could make an appearance and explain what he's all about. I would imagine it would go best under Partners, Swaps, etc.
If you had read my post instead of assumed what it was about then you would know that I was only referring to Luke and not starting a thread for him.
Read up and tell me what you think about free guide services
Post by: hrd2fnd on March 13, 2015, 01:26:41 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 13, 2015, 01:27:34 PM
I applaude anyone that takes the time to share knowlege, assist in a hunt, provide whatever level of guiding they chose to, and help a fellow hunter. It can be as simple as taking a buddy crabbing or helping a person fill a OIL tag.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 13, 2015, 01:32:18 PM
JM, why isn't Luke starting threads himself instead of you doing it? Offers to help someone get into critters are great and as RT mentioned, he's been a big help to a few members is that capacity. But without hearing from the guy personally and getting from him just what the deal is, it sounds suspicious and being that it's a guide service and not just some guy, has the potential to undermine the paying guide services who sponsor our site. It would be great if your friend could make an appearance and explain what he's all about. I would imagine it would go best under Partners, Swaps, etc.
If you had read my post instead of assumed what it was about then you would know that I was only referring to Luke and not starting a thread for him.
Read up and tell me what you think about free guide services
JM, thanks for letting us know about the nice service Luke is offering. The site owner has already given the go ahead for Luke's post. I didn't assume anything and I worded my response very carefully so as not to offend. Unbunch your panties and quit taking it personally. If you don't like the site, as your first post would indicate (who's bickering now?), don't post. Go to the Guys Wearing Bunched Panties site instead and complain on there. I won't be responding further.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 13, 2015, 01:36:07 PM
Post by: Netminder01 on March 13, 2015, 03:08:51 PM
:tup:
Post by: nwhunter on March 13, 2015, 10:28:48 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 13, 2015, 11:06:38 PM
I don't look at this site too much during the off season, because of the constant bickering and arguing. ....