Post by: snuff on December 31, 2008, 02:57:26 PM
THOUGHT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO KNOW!
Post by: 270Shooter on December 31, 2008, 03:07:36 PM
Post by: Lowedog on December 31, 2008, 03:24:13 PM
Glad a non tribal member was able to take that double drop tine buck!
-Lowedog
Post by: gasman on December 31, 2008, 03:54:35 PM
They should also be made to fish the w\same way, make there own nets, but not out of monofilanent, use canoes, not motor boats.
Take Away there guns and let them do it the "OLD" way, then there ansestwrs would be proud......
I want to see them carve there own canoe and fish from it..........
Post by: GoldTip on December 31, 2008, 03:58:57 PM
Post by: Ray on December 31, 2008, 04:01:02 PM
Post by: Slider on December 31, 2008, 04:25:43 PM
Post by: Scottystyle on December 31, 2008, 04:54:33 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on December 31, 2008, 04:55:41 PM
I heard it was the same brothers that have been in the Clockum!!! >:( >:( >:(Seriously??? >:(
Post by: fc2038 on December 31, 2008, 05:00:15 PM
Post by: CSOUTFITTERS on December 31, 2008, 05:19:07 PM
It sounds like F&G cant do much about the taking animals but they should be hammering these guys when they are driving their trucks off roads, spotlighting or shooting from inside the rig. I like looking at animals on the winter range and in other areas but i think the way to save some of these animals from the NATIVES is to close these areas down after hunting season and make it criminal trespass if they are within certain boundaries during the closure. Or F&G can close roads because we all know that very few NATIVES will kill a buck or bull 2-3 miles in, even though they only take the antlers/horns. Sorry guys if i sound bitter. Its because i am. All of us pay alot of $$ for tags, permits, raffle and we have to wait lots of years to draw but these guys are exempt.
Post by: boneaddict on December 31, 2008, 05:28:47 PM
Post by: jake on December 31, 2008, 05:41:55 PM
Post by: nwhunter on December 31, 2008, 05:44:05 PM
Post by: Geno on December 31, 2008, 05:51:51 PM
Killing the animals on the winter range. Is that much different than asking for elk hunts in their winter range?You must be kidding! Tribal members killing migratory bucks in an area that was never part of their ceded lands is much different than elk hunters asking for the seasons to adjusted. Most of the land that they claim as ceded is B.S. anyway. The Yakimas didn't get on a horse and travel over 100 miles to shoot migratory Mule deer during the worst part of a central washington winter. This herd has enough problems without the Indians shooting the Sh#t out of them too. Elk seasons being pushed out later would still not put a majority of the elk even near their winter range while general season hunters are in the field. Apples and oranges as far as I am concerned. If the Indians would leave the bulls alone, we wouldn't be having the problems that we are with our elk herds. My :twocents: >:( >:( >:(
Post by: Slider on December 31, 2008, 05:55:01 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 31, 2008, 06:01:51 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 31, 2008, 06:10:21 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 31, 2008, 06:15:12 PM
I think some cowboy out there should be able to exercise his treaty right if he catches a renegade off the rez.
Thats what my ancestors used to do so it must be okay right, I mean if its okay for one group why not the other :dunno:
Post by: sk on December 31, 2008, 06:17:17 PM
If they want to kill everything on the rez go ahead, but for them to be able to come out on public land and kill big bucks and bulls on the winter range with rifles that they wouldnt have had if it wasn't for us >:(. Come on show some native pride use your traditional weapons. I better leave it at that. My :twocents:
Post by: boneaddict on December 31, 2008, 06:25:43 PM
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Thats what my ancestors used to do so it must be okay right, I mean if its okay for one group why not the other
Pretty much what I was thinking. Mine used to trade with, smoke with, trap with and fight with. If theres a bad one take care of it. You want to know the real funny *censored*. These two guys are as white as you and I
Post by: CHELAN on December 31, 2008, 06:29:11 PM
Closing roads. The one road in question is a county road and there is private property with cabins up on top!!!! But access from Johnson is reasonable. If it was WDF&W property it would have been closed long ago ( I assume) ~ like Chelan Butte.
This is another reason NOT to post locations or even GMUs; even if they are "special draw units." Word of mouth is a very powerful tool (on-line chat) that can spoil a hard earned gem. As we can see we all don't have to play by the same game regs.
SUCKS. Sums this all up.
Pope. Project for you. Pro Bono case. Get her fixed, keep us posted. :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on December 31, 2008, 06:36:29 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 31, 2008, 07:03:01 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 31, 2008, 07:03:48 PM
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Well said Passion :chuckle:
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 31, 2008, 07:07:04 PM
Oh, and by the way thats not a joke.
Post by: buckmaster_wa on December 31, 2008, 09:00:14 PM
Post by: CHELAN on December 31, 2008, 09:16:26 PM
As far as being required to open up gates, I think a few things would come while en route to unlock the gate, resulting some delays.
Post by: logger on December 31, 2008, 09:46:06 PM
Post by: buckmaster_wa on December 31, 2008, 11:00:18 PM
Post by: wilsongideon on January 01, 2009, 12:45:45 AM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on January 01, 2009, 06:34:50 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 01, 2009, 08:06:59 AM
Maybe someone should make the local chapter of the RMEF aware of this BS, after all they just thumbed their noses at us by holding their banquet at a tribal casino for the sake of discounted catering and banquet rooms :bash:
This cat wont be there.
Post by: skybusterbo on January 01, 2009, 10:52:54 AM
Post by: LOVHUNTIN on January 01, 2009, 12:21:19 PM
Post by: gasman on January 01, 2009, 12:27:41 PM
Post by: klickman on January 02, 2009, 02:35:50 PM
time to play cowboys and indians......it's bs
Mount up boys
Post by: wilsongideon on January 02, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
Post by: videoman on January 02, 2009, 09:05:21 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on January 03, 2009, 05:31:36 AM
Post by: PolarBear on January 03, 2009, 06:01:51 AM
Post by: Yummy and Tasty Animal on January 03, 2009, 01:34:21 PM
Don't only boycott the Casino's. Boycott their fireworks and their reservation hunting tags. We CAN put the reservations out a business because that's exactly what they are. Indian reservations are business monopolies on fireworks and Casino's in this state. I've never gambled in any Casino, and encourage my friends and family to do the same. Not only is gambling stupid, but you are supporting the slaughter and decimation of Washington's wildlife when you gamble away your money to them. The only way to justify yourself being in an Indian Casino is if you are a member of a card counting ring and you are winning all of the Indian's money away. Even anti-hunter's can be brought in to support this cause. I'm not saying all Indians are bad, but a lot of them are scum that are taking advantage of the amenities our government provides them with.
NEVER, EVER call them "Natives" because they are not native to the America's. They originated from Africa and the Middle East just like every other human did.
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 03, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
Post by: boneaddict on January 03, 2009, 05:23:10 PM
Post by: dbllunger on January 03, 2009, 05:50:08 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on January 03, 2009, 05:56:23 PM
Total BS and yes it is a couple brothers out of Wenatchee. Nothing is going to happen to them, and WDFW the liberal courts or anyone else in this state is going to make them stop. What RMEF chapter had their banquet at a casino? I will continue to voice my opinion's and suggestions how to stop this, but I know they will do nothing about it. Show me one instance where this state has done anything to stop or reduce this Indian Poaching?
I think it is all about pushing boundaries with them. They see how much they can get away with. Just like Johnson and his bunch with the whale.
Post by: kingsalmonkllr77 on January 03, 2009, 06:26:13 PM
Post by: philpac33 on January 03, 2009, 11:45:11 PM
Post by: Slider on January 04, 2009, 07:26:31 AM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 04, 2009, 09:01:58 AM
Remember, NETS 700 feet long dragging the Brewster Pools, after they are done feel free to drop in your single line for anything that is left. :IBCOOL:
Post by: NoBark on January 04, 2009, 09:54:28 AM
casino lifestyle.... :twocents:
Post by: phishisgroovin on January 04, 2009, 10:11:08 AM
I want to exercise my indian hunting rights for un needed kills like this :chuckle: remember the trail of tears?
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 04, 2009, 10:13:27 AM
I think we lost a great opportunity when the casino's went in. We should have had them trade their hunting and fishing lifestyle/subsistance for the much more lucritive
casino lifestyle.... :twocents:
Its not too late............
Post by: dbllunger on January 04, 2009, 10:53:45 AM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on January 04, 2009, 11:29:47 AM
Post by: Geno on January 04, 2009, 02:28:35 PM
The Coasties don't give a rip about the Clockum.
Get real dude! What makes you think people from the west side don't care anout the Colockum elk herd? Do you think that because you live on the east side of the mtns. that somehow you care more than we do. Let's try not to divide, putting a stop to the indian poaching is going to take every hunter in washington to fix, not just a handful of concerned eastside boys.
Post by: browndog on January 04, 2009, 02:36:51 PM
Post by: Bunkster on January 04, 2009, 06:51:55 PM
Post by: Yummy and Tasty Animal on January 04, 2009, 08:46:41 PM
All we have to do is stop buying the Indians crap and they will eventually go under. I don't think politics will be useful in bringing about their downfall. We have to use economics. The only way to legally or politically bring about the downfall of the Indian Reservations is to somehow show that they are breaking the treaty that they signed. The U.S. Government can't just break a treaty even if it is an incredibly stupid and misguided treaty (Well they could, but I don't think that is the right way to go about this. I wouldn't mind, but we need to keep this legal so we don't make ourselves look like *censored*es.) :twocents:
Post by: big_bucks on January 04, 2009, 09:51:28 PM
Post by: Geno on January 05, 2009, 07:55:11 AM
Indian Reservations are not going to get removed anytime soon because every politician knows that it is political suicide to speak out against something like that. The Seattle folk will have a hissy fit, and said politician will never be able to run for office again. Because in America there is nothing wrong with minorities. White people are always to blame...in case you haven't watched the news in the past 40 years.
All we have to do is stop buying the Indians crap and they will eventually go under. I don't think politics will be useful in bringing about their downfall. We have to use economics. The only way to legally or politically bring about the downfall of the Indian Reservations is to somehow show that they are breaking the treaty that they signed. The U.S. Government can't just break a treaty even if it is an incredibly stupid and misguided treaty (Well they could, but I don't think that is the right way to go about this. I wouldn't mind, but we need to keep this legal so we don't make ourselves look like *censored*es.) :twocents:
I don't think anyone here has any intentions of doing anything illegal. I am not seeking the demise of native americans or their reservations, I just want the tribal poaching to stop! I feel that they should be able to hunt on their reservations all they want, but as soon as they step off of it they should follow our game laws. Ceded lands are B.S. as well as ceremonial hunting for trophy animals. If they need animals for sustenance, a set number of antlerless tags for areas that have damage hunts would work just fine. Hunting trophy bulls in the Colockum reserve or trophy mule deer on their winter range needs to stop. My :twocents: I am about to throw a "HISSY FIT" if us west side residents keep being referred to as a seperate group of hunters that doesn't care!
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 05, 2009, 12:50:03 PM
Post by: boneaddict on January 05, 2009, 01:03:20 PM
Post by: Geno on January 05, 2009, 02:01:05 PM
Brother, I am not offended. I have two brothers that live in Wenatchee and I spend a lot of time over there. That is my playground, Central wa. I hear "Coasties" used so much by eastside residents that I now find it somewhat offensive when used in the context that somehow we are intruding. The issue with the Indians will not stop until enough of us can somehow organize and expose what is going on to the general public. Capturing them hunting illegally on camera is a good start, could be dangerous though. I think a good percentage of hunters may not be as informed as we are, but if they knew, they would be pissed! Anyone witnessing anything questionable should definitely try to document it on film. Hell, if we caught any other poacher on film, we would be running to the WDFW to get our bonus points. There are enough of us here on Hunting Washington to try and organize and put together some sort of plan, don't you agree?
Post by: dbllunger on January 05, 2009, 02:10:06 PM
Post by: Geno on January 05, 2009, 02:13:04 PM
Geno...understand what you are saying. I think what was intended is the huge percentage of liberal California transplants, and extremely liberal people in general on the West side of the state compared to the East side. There are some great conservative people on your side of the hill, but to say you are a minority is an understatement.
That I definitely agree with!
Post by: huntnphool on January 05, 2009, 04:53:36 PM
What RMEF chapter had their banquet at a casino?
I cant believe you missed this one Dbll, here you go.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,13809.0.html
Post by: huntnphool on January 05, 2009, 04:58:18 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 05, 2009, 05:01:44 PM
Like your thinkin Fool
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on January 05, 2009, 05:04:50 PM
When driving around after elk general season in the Yakima Herd areas, Bethal, Nile, Cowiche, Little Naches, Rimrock, etc ........ I was very disappointed in the trash and other things left behind by the NON NATIVE hunters. It was a very sad sight when camp after camp had chairs, tables, carpet, sofas, etc, etc left for I suppose next years hunt. You guys need to put your energy into something productive and not put on a HATE.
NUFF SAID.........
Post by: huntnphool on January 05, 2009, 05:18:36 PM
Most Indians are good law abiding people. Most non native hunters are good people but there are poachers who take more illegal game on a state wide basis than the Natives.
One difference being when a non native poacher gets caught there are consiquences. When the "good law abiding" natives step up and do something about their "few bad apples" then I will relax and not get "wound up".
Unbelievable that you can justify the actions of your few "bad apples" because of "non native poachers". You don't see anyone on this site condoning poaching of any kind or under any circumstance, two wrongs dont make a right.
The natives should step up and put a stop to this crap themselves, until then they are all going to look bad in my eyes.
Post by: bucklucky on January 05, 2009, 05:24:23 PM
Post by: Geno on January 05, 2009, 05:26:10 PM
This is a good lesson on how a few bad apples making a whole bin go bad. Most Indians are good law abiding people. Most non native hunters are good people but there are poachers who take more illegal game on a state wide basis than the Natives. Dont let a little information make for a huge thread that gets you all wound up. I have spent my whole life on the Rez and for the most part the Natives are very good people. Facts are usually very different than hear say and rumors.
When driving around after elk general season in the Yakima Herd areas, Bethal, Nile, Cowiche, Little Naches, Rimrock, etc ........ I was very disappointed in the trash and other things left behind by the NON NATIVE hunters. It was a very sad sight when camp after camp had chairs, tables, carpet, sofas, etc, etc left for I suppose next years hunt. You guys need to put your energy into something productive and not put on a HATE.
NUFF SAID.........
I wonder how much trash was left in the Colockum elk reserve by the native hunters that were camped in there shooting the *censored* out of the trophy elk?
Post by: PolarBear on January 05, 2009, 05:42:33 PM
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on January 05, 2009, 05:42:59 PM
LIFE TIME LIVEN ON THE REZ AND MARRIED TO A NATIVE. 98948
more NUFF SAID
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 05, 2009, 05:48:57 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 05, 2009, 05:51:44 PM
Point is that there are bad in every group. Education about what really is fact and what is rumor
I agree 100% there are bad people in every group, that doesnt mean you turn a blind eye on your people simply because its happening elsewhere.
Do the "good natives" really believe this is all heresay and "rumor"? Are their heads so buried in the sand or is it selective?
Post by: PolarBear on January 05, 2009, 05:52:26 PM
Post by: bucklucky on January 05, 2009, 05:53:03 PM
Post by: runniNgunnin on January 05, 2009, 05:56:20 PM
When you witness these travesties personally over and over again is is not emotion based on rumor but on fact. I have plenty of friends that are tribal members, in fact, my #1 hunting buddy is a member. He got so fed up with the tribal poaching and b.s. that he moved to the other side of the state and buys all of his tags over the counter and hunts general seasons and not tribal "hunts". A few weeks ago he held a a couple of Colvilles with 15 deer in their truck until a WDFW officer could get there. He actually goes after other tribal members for poaching. Treaty abuse goes on a lot more than most folks are aware of and that is not an emotional bias, it is fact.tell your buddy i want to shake his hand... :tup:
Post by: logger on January 05, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on January 05, 2009, 06:26:53 PM
Post by: cmiller85 on January 05, 2009, 06:35:09 PM
Post by: runniNgunnin on January 05, 2009, 06:47:32 PM
Post by: JACKALL on January 05, 2009, 07:24:09 PM
Post by: boneaddict on January 05, 2009, 07:27:36 PM
Post by: Charlie on January 05, 2009, 07:38:24 PM
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Some people call this Reverse Racism, which is rediculous because racism is racism no matter how you want to look at it.:tup:
Post by: boneaddict on January 05, 2009, 07:40:06 PM
Post by: PolarBear on January 05, 2009, 07:49:02 PM
I'm really not that racist. I'd shove a fir tree up any *censored* poachers ass no matter what color or creed he is.:yeah:
Post by: heavy hauler on January 05, 2009, 08:41:06 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 05, 2009, 08:44:54 PM
Just remember if they go off of public land, (on private) they are subject to Washington State law. They can not fall back on "The Tribes judge me." That has been established. Tribal law is not subject to double jeopardy. So if they shoot from the road or shoot on private property you got em.
Post by: runniNgunnin on January 05, 2009, 11:09:42 PM
Post by: NWTFhunter on January 06, 2009, 07:17:09 AM
Post by: boneaddict on January 06, 2009, 02:56:51 PM
Post by: Elkrunner on January 06, 2009, 03:21:29 PM
Post by: boneaddict on January 06, 2009, 03:22:26 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 06, 2009, 04:22:48 PM
The only way to do anything about it is band together and bug the crap out of our legislators. I caught a couple of them last year that poached a bull last year and nothing was done.
Unfortunatly bugging your legistlators is a waist of time, the reason nothing was done is because nothing can be done without an act of congress.
Post by: Yummy and Tasty Animal on January 06, 2009, 11:29:26 PM
You have to admire some of the Indians' progressive ways of thinking though. You don't need a trash can. The world is your trash can.
Post by: runniNgunnin on January 07, 2009, 01:07:44 AM
Post by: dbllunger on January 07, 2009, 10:47:05 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on January 07, 2009, 10:48:40 AM
Just received this reply to an e-mail to Linda Parlette in regards to the mass slaughter of OUR ELK and Mule Deer!!!!! I would say the issue will not go away until the tribes stop what they are doing!!!
Samuel,
Thank you for your email. I will try and get an update on this issue which never seems to go away. Thanks for the “heads up!”
Linda
Maybe we should all flood her with emails??????
Post by: teal101 on January 07, 2009, 12:27:54 PM
Post by: Big10gauge on January 07, 2009, 12:35:25 PM
Anybody have the address or names of these 2 brothers in Wenatchee? :chuckle:
Yep, But it's East Wenatchee :chuckle:
Post by: colvilletacoma on January 11, 2009, 09:51:15 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 11, 2009, 09:56:18 PM
Post by: colvilletacoma on January 11, 2009, 09:56:54 PM
Post by: colvilletacoma on January 11, 2009, 10:15:23 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 11, 2009, 11:03:50 PM
Oh and I shot 2 deer a doe and a 4x4 172" Gross Muley. The doe was for a funeral.
So where did you shoot these two deer? Just curious. On the Colville Res?
Post by: colvilletacoma on January 11, 2009, 11:06:18 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on January 12, 2009, 09:41:47 AM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on January 12, 2009, 09:53:41 AM
Colvilletacoma, your right, it does go both ways. That's why when one of our non-tribal poachers got caught last year the thread was huge and we all called and emailed the prosecutor to go tough on him. He got a year in jail... Unfortunately, we can't touch tribal members like you, but your fellow members can. A few phone calls from some important members in a tribe to these guys would stop this. Courts, emailing legislators, and bitching on here isn't going to get anything done.
:twocents:
Post by: Geno on January 12, 2009, 10:09:00 AM
Post by: mossback91 on January 12, 2009, 10:11:54 AM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 12, 2009, 12:20:51 PM
Post by: Geno on January 12, 2009, 12:26:50 PM
+1!!!
Post by: muleyguy on January 12, 2009, 12:58:52 PM
It is great that you are trying to stand up for doing the right thing as a tribal member; keep up the good work, that is what is needed. I do not know much about the Colville tribe, but, from what I understand, the big game population is healthy with good numbers of mature animals on the reservation. That tells me that the Colville tribe is doing a decent job of managing/controlling the hunting on the reservation, and, that you do not have a bunch of Tribal members running around uncontrolled (although I am sure you have some) So, count yourself as lucky. And, when the hunting is good on the Reservation, there is no need to hunt off of the Reservation.
The situation with the Yakama's is different. Not only have they failed to properly manage their own reservations (which I don't care about), but, tribal members have actively started hunting off of the reservation into the ceeded lands. They are doing this for two reasons. The first being that the hunting for big antlered animals is much BETTER off reservation than on reservation. They have essentially destroyed the big game hunting on the reservation. The second reason is to prove they have the right to do this (which they do). The Yakama tribe has been blessed with premier agricultural land, premier forests, and great big game habitat. They should be one of the wealthiest tribes in the country. Yet, they consistently mismanage their holdings, are corrupt even amongst themselves in how they govern, and, have ruined their big game hunting on their own land.
So, at the end of the day, their own mismanagement of their big game herds is resulting in tribal members coming off of the reservation to hunt mature branch antlered bulls at feeding stations, to hunt mature mule deer bucks on the winter range. Come to the Yakima Sportsman show and look in the antler competition; there are a couple of brothers who have probably shot 15, low to mid 300's, class bull elk just in the last couple of years, and , that is just the tip of the iceberg.
The only thing the Yakama tribe has ever shown is a complete pattern of mismanagment in all things they do, and, a burning desire to stick it to the white man.
Unfortunately, the ONLY thing that has any potential to slow it down is a PR campaign, as it seems the Yakama tribe is completely incapable of policing themselves properly.
Post by: MAVsled on January 12, 2009, 08:40:43 PM
lets not minimize a small number like 5% mortality rate. 5% could be 500 or more endangered salmon that don't make it to the spawning beds. This is just typical commercial rhetoric (tribal or non-tribal) LOS.
Post by: CJ-5 on January 12, 2009, 09:07:17 PM
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Post by: swanny on January 13, 2009, 09:23:32 AM
Post by: Gobble on January 13, 2009, 09:39:33 AM
Obviously we are all dislike the fact that they keep killing animals out of season. But what steps have been taken to try and stop this? Has anyone gone to a news station with the story? Does anyone think reporting this to the news stations and people like Jesse Jones might put some pressure out for politicians and the non-hunting groups to raise their voice? If WDFW can't do anything about the situation or wont, get some free press from the news channels investigating the subject and it will rally many more people. Just a thought.
Everyone has become completly ball less, esp in the press. They are so afraid to offend anyone :rolleyes: they won't touch it with a 10 ft pole. I guess thats where we step in and keep it in the public eye. I'm sick and tired of people complaining about the tribes then turn around and spend $$$$$$ big fricken dollars at the Tribe casinos. They are getting more and more powerful from our own stupid money :bash: The tribes have become a very powerful political force. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Post by: NCWCracker on January 13, 2009, 09:53:14 AM
Post by: muleyguy on January 14, 2009, 11:45:00 AM
it isn't hard to do........for example, the Umptanum unit was a special draw unit for deer several years ago. After a few years, the buck quality went up tremendously, and, just like clockwork, truckloads of mature bucks were being shot by yakama tribal members on the winter range. So, the WDFW up and elimanated the special draw because of the excess tribal hunting.
But, the WDFW never put out any formal reason for making this decision, they just made it. A simple statement such as: "Due to excess harvest of mature mule deer bucks by tribal hunters, the WDFW has decided to eliminate Unit XXX special draw status and return it to a general draw unit. It is hoped that a reduction in animal quality will result in reduced tribal hunting."
very simple.........it is our money, they should be honest when they make a management decision based on tribal hunting.
Post by: PacificNWhunter on January 14, 2009, 12:10:11 PM
Clue in Jessee!!
If only it was that easy....or is it?. Not sure this is up his alley
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on January 14, 2009, 01:21:44 PM
Don't get me wrong it gets on my nerves/ tries my patience a lot as well, but it's beginning to dominate several different topics.
Post by: boneaddict on January 14, 2009, 01:39:06 PM
I am looking for a response on one of these threads from someone about things they were doing to break their treaty, such as trading with a foriegn nation and alcohol....anyone???
Post by: strutnrut1984 on January 14, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
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Post by: GigPig on January 15, 2009, 09:53:37 AM
Post by: alanger on January 18, 2009, 08:36:11 PM
Post by: alanger on January 18, 2009, 09:07:04 PM
Get real dude! What makes you think people from the west side don't care anout the Colockum elk herd? Do you think that because you live on the east side of the mtns. that somehow you care more than we do. Let's try not to divide, putting a stop to the indian poaching is going to take every hunter in washington to fix, not just a handful of concerned eastside boys.
hey now this is about both sides. ok the indians arent just poaching on the east side. there is enough woods for both eastside and westside. what we need to focus on is just regulating the feather butts! THIS PISSES EVERY HUNTER WHO GIVES A RIP AND WE CANT LET IT JUST GO AWAL ANYMORE THAN IT IS NOW.
Post by: teal101 on January 19, 2009, 03:25:40 PM
Anybody have the address or names of these 2 brothers in Wenatchee? :chuckle:
Yep, But it's East Wenatchee :chuckle:
Then thats even closer for me. I can probably see their house from mine in that case :chuckle:
Post by: alanger on January 19, 2009, 03:26:55 PM
Post by: alanger on January 19, 2009, 03:51:06 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 19, 2009, 07:27:38 PM
There were a bunch of rednecks that were going to hang some from some tall sagebrushes. That got the police involved and the state finally did something withthe tribe. It looked like there was going to be a shoot out.
Like I said, thats the only way its going to get any attention. Unfortunatly the state couldn't touch them and again they got their hands slapped.
Post by: alanger on February 01, 2009, 04:55:18 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 01, 2009, 09:20:08 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 02, 2009, 05:13:41 PM
Post by: big rack attack on February 06, 2009, 08:09:34 PM
Post by: alanger on February 07, 2009, 07:26:11 AM
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Post by: cle elum bowhunter on February 08, 2009, 02:48:02 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 08, 2009, 02:51:31 PM
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Rocky Mountain Elk found in Clockum and Yakima areas are not native, so why do they get to claim traditional hunting rights?
Well they sure as hell weren't hand pulling spotted shrimp up in wicker baskets from 300' in Hood Canal wya back then either but they get half of that harvest as well :bash:
Post by: cle elum bowhunter on February 08, 2009, 03:01:13 PM
Post by: NoBark on February 08, 2009, 03:05:32 PM
Many on here making some great comments and observations. Just curious about tribal hunting, is it within tribal policy that they can take unlimited numbers of big game, or do they have to carry some kind of tag? Also, is it true that they can take animals for other members of the tribe? If they are just meat hunting for feeding their families, why not shoot the tender does and younger bucks, instead of taking all the mature animals which statistically breed and impregnate the females with higher success. And like it has been pointed out, Rocky Mountain Elk found in Clockum and Yakima areas are not native, so why do they get to claim traditional hunting rights?
Dare say most of us can only say 'what we've heard' about what is and isn't lawful for them. Therein lies part of the issue. Their seasons and limitations need to be brought to light so that we aren't going off half cocked on something that may be ok for them.
On the other hand, it would also allow us to better hold them accountable for the more blatant actions outside of their own regulations. Each tribe has different rules and regs for their people and because of that, it's no wonder nobody seems to really know what is legit and what isn't.
Game department ought to put out a synopsis or something.
Post by: cle elum bowhunter on February 08, 2009, 03:13:15 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 08, 2009, 03:34:32 PM
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Ceded Area (off-Reservation)
The Yakama Nation’s ceded area encompasses 12 million acres, covering nine separate counties in eastern Washington State.
Any enrolled member of the Yakama Nation has the right to hunt, fish, and gather other food, medicine, or ceremonial supplies in open and unclaimed lands within the ceded area. One restriction is the taking of female deer or elk from Jan.1 through August 31. Any tribal member wishing to hunt female deer or elk for ceremonial purposes during this time can obtain a Special Permit. Enrolled tribal members hunting in the ceded areas must carry their enrollment card and other I.D., for game enforcement officers. Unclaimed lands include Federal, State, and other government land, and does not include private land, refuges (such as feeding stations), and safety game zones. Within the ceded areas, there are winter wildlife sanctuaries where seasonal restrictions do apply, except with a Special Permit:
*Winter Feeding Areas (no hunting Dec. 15—March 31)
*Includes Oak Creek Feeding Area, Clover Springs Feeding Area, and Cleman Mountain Feeding Area.)
*Winter Wildlife Sanctuary (no hunting Dec. 31—March 31)
*Sanford Pasture Winter Range.
Special Permit
If you are an enrolled member of the Yakama Nation, you may obtain a Special Permit to hunt for ceremonial purposes in restricted areas or at restricted times. Please contact the Yakama Nation Wildlife, Range, & Vegetation Resources Management Program for information or a permit application.
For more here is a link: http://www.ynwildlife.org/tribalhunting.php
Post by: bobcat on February 08, 2009, 03:40:07 PM
http://nrd.colvilletribes.com/pdfs/08-09_memberhuntingseasons.pdf
Post by: cle elum bowhunter on February 08, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 08, 2009, 04:36:29 PM
The Colville's have a limit of two deer per day on the "South Half" with no possession limit. :o
On the "North Half" which is basically north of their reservation to the Canadian border, they are limited to three deer per season.
I don't believe the Colville's are allowed to hunt in Chelan County so that really doesn't apply to this discussion.
Post by: cle elum bowhunter on February 08, 2009, 05:04:44 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 10, 2009, 02:26:25 PM
Nobark, maybe this can be brought up in Ellensberg. Would be nice if we could find this online so we could be more informed. Maybe I'll have to email WDFW and ask them.
We're working on a group that is going to address these issues and force the WDFW to change their ways. It's not so much the Yakama's fault although they do need to have better accountability of themselves, it's the WDFW that allows them to do this. That website will help out. You should message that to FrankDown so he can put it on our website. cle elem hope you come to our meetings.
Post by: HawkenBob on February 10, 2009, 03:10:45 PM
The WDFW has no power to set there limits. Never has, never will. Why do you think tribal netting goes on so strong? The BIA and and a federal treaty protect against the state.
Not saying your group isnt going to work, or has crappy ideas, but to turn this you need to FORCE the Federal courts. Or Force the natives to police and allocate as you see fit. You wont force WDFW into anything but a tailtuck between there legs.
Doubt you'll get anywere with the state.
These problems go on here on the wet side too. The QIN got an extension to there already 8 month open season. I have relatives hunting Clearwater area this month.
You have from July to Dec to hunt. Why on earth would you need an extention?
Its crazy, but the natives got the state by there Church bells.
Do you have a plan of attack other than WDFW?
Post by: HawkenBob on February 10, 2009, 03:34:12 PM
A BIG march of hunters to Olympia would be a good start. Make the public aware, backed by evidence. Get the news there ect.
A group of Oly penn guides and fisherman did this years ago on the Quiliute river. The media coverage was so strong the natives pulled there nets. It was a small win, but a few Steelies got by. But then they let up on the pressure and things went back to 6 day a week netting.
The pressure must be pushed so hard that the Federal gov takes notice.
Im probably preaching to the quire, but some dont really realise how one way'd this is...
Post by: colockumelk on February 10, 2009, 08:42:20 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 11, 2009, 11:25:12 AM
But they have abused those privelages. They kill more than is ethically and morally right. They don't care about conservation although they try to act like they are the pioneers of conservation. Their hunting practises are ethically and morally wrong. Even if I could kill as many elk and deer as I would want I still wouldn't go out and kill all big bulls and just take their heads. I doubt any of you would either. The hunt from the roads and give the rest of their tribe a bad name.
Well like all privelages that are abused we are about to take that away. They can still hunt they will just have to abide by the same rules and regulations that we abide by. It's time to pass some legislation to force these new rules and regulations. It's time to pass some legislation to finally give the game wardens the legal right and power to finally do something about the poaching that goes on. It's time that the WDFW and the tribes are finally held accountable and responsible for their actions. It's time for proper, fair and ethical game management. If you also believe in this then please come to our meeting. Soon we will have our own website as well. Also if you have any pictures or video of Indians harvesting game like we know is happening out there please send it to me or FrankDown. If you know someone who has some pics or video get them and send them to us. Together we will win. But if all we do is talk and maybe send an email or two we will accomplish nothing. Nothing like this has been tried before on the scale that we plan. This will at least get the attention of the Feds and our PR campaign will shed a negative spotlight on the Tribes that don't police their own.
Post by: bam on February 13, 2009, 04:18:51 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2009, 04:23:44 PM
Post by: cle elum bowhunter on February 14, 2009, 07:40:48 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 14, 2009, 08:47:45 PM
Colockumelk, just read poaching article in the local daily record. Quotes wdf officials about some local poaching issues. NO mention of any tribal unethical hunting. If we could convince some of the local press people to shine the spotlight on the problem, Then maybe wdf would have to at least acknoledge the problem officially. It seems no one wants to touch this with a 10' pole. Hush ca$$ino benifits must speak loud!
Yeah I read that one. It's going to be on our website. I loved the picture they had of a "spike" it and claimed "this is an elk that poachers just shot and left". Actually it was a spike with a tiny little point on each side, so it was a hunter that made a mistake and left it so he wouldn't get in trouble. Now that it's "true spike" only what do they think isn't going to happen?
But yeah you're right there was absolutely no mention of tribal poaching or that large camp that goes up there and kills alot of bulls. I was at the sportsmens show today and there was like maybe 12-15 bull elk racks. Three of those was from the same guy. He shot three bulls over 300. All from this year. That's just one guy. He killed more elk in there by himself than all the special permits combined. Oh by the way for those that are interested we're gong to release our website at the end of the week.
Post by: bornforhorns on February 15, 2009, 05:22:19 PM
Post by: haugenna on February 15, 2009, 08:43:00 PM
Post by: hunt4 on February 15, 2009, 09:24:53 PM
Casino benefits to who? They pay no taxes so it seems they only benefit the tribes.
>:( :dunno: OLYMPIA -- Gov. Chris Gregoire is benefiting from more than $650,000 in campaign contributions from Indian tribes that hit the jackpot in 2005 when she killed a gambling compact potentially worth more than $140 million a year to the state.
Post by: FrankDown on February 15, 2009, 10:24:13 PM
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Post the dates when we march on Olympia and I will be there and pass it on. Can we talk to someone about a mass email to all?We are working on this right now. We will have an area that you can register and get emails and send emails to friends and what not if you wish. Everything is just about finished and ready. We're working on content and checking everything right now.
Post by: billythekidrock on February 16, 2009, 07:53:04 AM
Casino benefits to who? They pay no taxes so it seems they only benefit the tribes.
>:( :dunno: OLYMPIA -- Gov. Chris Gregoire is benefiting from more than $650,000 in campaign contributions from Indian tribes that hit the jackpot in 2005 when she killed a gambling compact potentially worth more than $140 million a year to the state.
She set her self up for that back when she was Attorney General. We should have known. :bash:
Post by: colockumelk on February 17, 2009, 02:32:30 PM
Post by: CJ-5 on February 18, 2009, 09:07:07 AM
Post by: colockumelk on February 18, 2009, 01:47:44 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on February 19, 2009, 02:19:06 PM
Posted February 18, 2009
ENTIAT — Chelan County has closed a three-mile section of Oklahoma Gulch Road to vehicle and snowmobile traffic to protect mule deer.
The section of road runs between Highway 97A north of Entiat, near mile marker 221, and a U.S. Forest Service road.
The state Department of Fish and Wildlife requested the closure last month because large numbers of deer congregate along the road in the valley when the mountain snow is deep and food is harder to find.
To bad they waited so long, but still, good job.
Post by: bobcat on February 19, 2009, 07:12:56 PM
Post by: Guy on February 19, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 19, 2009, 09:52:23 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 20, 2009, 01:06:23 PM
When is your website going to be up Colockum?
It's up, go to General Discussion and the Address is there. Or click on this link.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,21090.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,21090.0.html)