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Other Hunting => Upland Birds => Topic started by: 762Armo on March 18, 2015, 10:25:54 PM

Title: Identify breed please
Post by: 762Armo on March 18, 2015, 10:25:54 PM: This is the only old photo I have of my grandfathers hunting dog. From the stories I've heard from gramps and everyone that met this dog it sounded like this dog was smarter than a lot of humans. Lol.
My dad or uncle can't remember the breed. Can you?
If it matters, this is on the other side of the world, in Eastern Europe. Armenia to be exact.
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: 762Armo on March 18, 2015, 10:29:27 PM: Sorry. Can't rotate pic for some reason. It shows up correct in my phone. Gramps did a lot of bird hunting, so I figured this is the best place to ask.
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: lokidog on March 18, 2015, 10:37:47 PM: Don't have any idea on breed, other than it looks young with those big feet and the way it sits.
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Post by: ellensburgpo on March 18, 2015, 10:55:30 PM: Looks like a lab
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: ghosthunter on March 18, 2015, 11:33:23 PM: Quote from: 762Armo on March 18, 2015, 10:25:54 PM
This is the only old photo I have of my grandfathers hunting dog. From the stories I've heard from gramps and everyone that met this dog it sounded like this dog was smarter than a lot of humans. Lol.
My dad or uncle can't remember the breed. Can you?
If it matters, this is on the other side of the world, in Eastern Europe. Armenia to be exact.

I suspect given the region and era, that it is a Saint Johns Dog. Used by fisherman to Retreiver net buoys. It is the forefather of modern day Labradors.

Note the otter type tail.

Just my guess.
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: ghosthunter on March 18, 2015, 11:46:27 PM: St.Johns Water Dogs where around in 1800 but almost gone by 1880. They were also know to have some white markings,which your photo doesn't.

If the photo was taken after that time period than it could be a young lab given the tail it has.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John%27s_Water_Dog (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John%27s_Water_Dog)
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: RadSav on March 18, 2015, 11:53:50 PM: I'm thinking Wachtelhund based on the ears. :dunno: Also thought Small Münsterländer, but color seems to mess that up.

I've tried to work on the photo to get a better idea of the coat texture and whether there are feathers on those front legs. Maybe someone can do a better job than me on that. I wasn't able to tell for sure.

So really I have no flippin' idea :chuckle:
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: 762Armo on March 18, 2015, 11:56:10 PM: Ill double check on the age of the picture with my dad, but I estimate it to be sometime in the 30s-50s. Also not sure of dogs age in the picture, so could very well be a pup. Dad describes the dog bigger than a medium sized dog.
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: huntnphool on March 19, 2015, 12:13:54 AM: Looks like a lab but then the ears look like they have too much hair.
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 19, 2015, 05:18:35 AM: rotated
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Post by: NW-GSP on March 19, 2015, 05:52:05 AM: Looks like a English lab to me with the tail, head shape and length of the legs.
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: T-Bone on March 19, 2015, 08:09:00 AM: Possibly, a Curley Coated Retriever, by the look of the ears and the coat:

http://www.ccrca.org (http://www.ccrca.org)
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: John B on March 29, 2015, 01:33:56 PM: Cocker spaniel maybe? Looks similar to some field bred cocker spaniels I've seen
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: 762Armo on March 29, 2015, 04:59:45 PM: Thanks for all the replys guys. I'm still not sure on what it is, but I'll print all the breeds suggested and show them to my dad and uncle.
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: T-Bone on March 30, 2015, 06:53:36 AM: The American Water Spaniel is another possibility; although the tail and long legs don't seem quit right:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Water_Spaniel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Water_Spaniel)

Tom
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: Kittman on March 30, 2015, 07:39:40 AM: It looks to me like it could be a Flat-Coated Retriever.
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: Curly on March 30, 2015, 10:05:15 AM: Do you have any other pics? Looks like a lab to me.
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: pens fan on April 20, 2015, 05:42:59 AM: Wachtelhund. No doubt. Used for hunting pigs in Europe, among other things. I believe this is where Boykin spaniel derived from.
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: AspenBud on April 21, 2015, 01:54:13 PM: When was the photo taken? Before 1915 or after?

Does your father remember if the dog had a split nose? If so it could have been a Catalburun.

If no location was placed on this however I would guess a young lab. But Armenia...it could be anything.
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: T-Bone on April 22, 2015, 06:54:53 AM: Look hard at the photo and you will see a tight curley coat with somewhat wavy hair on the ears; thus my previous guesses. Personally, I find the several Lab guesses unlikely because of the coat. In the olden days, duck hunters thought little of crossing two great waterfowl dogs with a total disregard for breeds. The dog may very well be such a cross…Lab/Water Spaniel? I don't think we will ever get a diffentive answer, but all the speculation is not without amusement.
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Post by: addicted on April 22, 2015, 07:15:14 AM: Munsterlander. Very popular hunting dog in europe.
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: Curly on April 22, 2015, 07:15:58 AM: I don't see a curly coat, but I guess it's possible. I am just not seeing it.... ???
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: 762Armo on April 23, 2015, 11:21:41 PM: Sadly no other pics, but my father confirmed the dog is very young in the picture, but wasn't sure of the exact age.
Title: Re: Identify breed please
Post by: JoinerJJ9 on July 07, 2015, 11:19:37 PM: If I had to guess I would say water spaniel, curly coated retriever, boykin spaniel, musterlander or lab lol I know that's a lot of options but pretty tough to tell :-P

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