Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 07:39:42 AM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 07:50:22 AM
It's amazing what some people wil ask on the internet and actually expect an answer too :yike:
I bet you I'll get answers.......I share info in PM's with quite a few guys on here that ask the same type of questions.. :tup:
Post by: ghosthunter on April 07, 2015, 07:53:46 AM
What do you guys think is the very best unit/area for elk ? I don't care about the famous, HONEY HOLE crap either. That's not what I'm asking. I haven't hunted elk in 26 years because of all the nut jobs fighting over an elk that was shot by a 10 year old up Joe Watt, no kidding..
:fishin: :camp:
For most folks it is the area where they or their group in most familar or successfull. People seem to go back to the same area more based on good feelings rather than results. It may depend on what kind of elk hunting a person wants to do too.
Rifle,Muzzy,Bow, Remote, Car camping, less hunter, bulls, or cows etc.??????????????????????
Post by: MtnMuley on April 07, 2015, 07:54:17 AM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 12:41:43 PM
I've never hunted the Blues, but I can't hump the hills anymore due to my knees, so that's out, unless I can get ATV access to a very good spot, from the game dept. I got info on Lick Creek at the WDFW there, but I can only ride 2 miles from the parking lot, nice huh !!
Post by: trophyhunt on April 07, 2015, 12:49:31 PM
I've hunted, Greenwater, Randle, Kapowsin, Taneum, Clockum (?) Peoh Point, Salmon La Sac and everywhere in between those areas. BUT, those were the good old days. I don't want to waste 12 points on a crappy bull. I have a 6x5 on the wall and would like a pig. I'm not much of an elk or deer hunter anymore because of all the crappy rules that defeat a hunters success, especially since I'm disabled. We get the worst areas to hunt in, period..pm sent
I've never hunted the Blues, but I can't hump the hills anymore due to my knees, so that's out, unless I can get ATV access to a very good spot, from the game dept. I go info on Lick Creek at the WDFW there, but I can only ride 2 miles from the parking lot, nice huh !!
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 01:44:57 PM
How would you define how to compare to come up with a best area? % harvest, overall harvest, access? trophies?
Let's put it this way. The WDFW gives the worst areas for disabled hunters to hunt, at least up here and everyplace I've checked into.
I would say that what I would like is, a high harvest area for nice bulls and disabled hunters, access, trophies are good, but not a deal breaker. I have a 6x5 on my wall. I don't want a stinking cow.... :chuckle:
I hunt alone, so my ATV is my friend and nobody elses. I can hunt anyplace in the state, since I'm retired. I've applied for a multiseason permit and I'm trying to base my question off of possibly drawing one...
Post by: bobcat on April 07, 2015, 02:05:03 PM
Post by: GurrCentral on April 07, 2015, 02:08:12 PM
I've hunted, Greenwater, Randle, Kapowsin, Taneum, Clockum (?) Peoh Point, Salmon La Sac and everywhere in between those areas. BUT, those were the good old days. I don't want to waste 12 points on a crappy bull. I have a 6x5 on the wall and would like a pig. I'm not much of an elk or deer hunter anymore because of all the crappy rules that defeat a hunters success, especially since I'm disabled. We get the worst areas to hunt in, period..
I've never hunted the Blues, but I can't hump the hills anymore due to my knees, so that's out, unless I can get ATV access to a very good spot, from the game dept. I got info on Lick Creek at the WDFW there, but I can only ride 2 miles from the parking lot, nice huh !!
What is your definition of a "crappy" bull?
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 07, 2015, 02:09:07 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 07, 2015, 02:23:34 PM
Campmeat- I think if I were you I'd plan on buying a Weyerhaeuser access permit if you draw the multi season. You won't be able to use your ATV, but you can drive logging roads in your truck all day. Get the St. Helens permit or Pe Ell. Permits will be up for sale the last week of May.Yeah, I was kind of thinking with disabled and limits on hunters, a tree farm might be a decent option. You can drive around and scan clear cuts and reprod.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 02:31:53 PM
I've hunted, Greenwater, Randle, Kapowsin, Taneum, Clockum (?) Peoh Point, Salmon La Sac and everywhere in between those areas. BUT, those were the good old days. I don't want to waste 12 points on a crappy bull. I have a 6x5 on the wall and would like a pig. I'm not much of an elk or deer hunter anymore because of all the crappy rules that defeat a hunters success, especially since I'm disabled. We get the worst areas to hunt in, period..
I've never hunted the Blues, but I can't hump the hills anymore due to my knees, so that's out, unless I can get ATV access to a very good spot, from the game dept. I got info on Lick Creek at the WDFW there, but I can only ride 2 miles from the parking lot, nice huh !!
What is your definition of a "crappy" bull?
One smaller than the one I have.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 02:33:19 PM
Campmeat- I think if I were you I'd plan on buying a Weyerhaeuser access permit if you draw the multi season. You won't be able to use your ATV, but you can drive logging roads in your truck all day. Get the St. Helens permit or Pe Ell. Permits will be up for sale the last week of May.Yeah, I was kind of thinking with disabled and limits on hunters, a tree farm might be a decent option. You can drive around and scan clear cuts and reprod.
I even know how to bugle.....
Post by: GurrCentral on April 07, 2015, 02:38:05 PM
I've hunted, Greenwater, Randle, Kapowsin, Taneum, Clockum (?) Peoh Point, Salmon La Sac and everywhere in between those areas. BUT, those were the good old days. I don't want to waste 12 points on a crappy bull. I have a 6x5 on the wall and would like a pig. I'm not much of an elk or deer hunter anymore because of all the crappy rules that defeat a hunters success, especially since I'm disabled. We get the worst areas to hunt in, period..
I've never hunted the Blues, but I can't hump the hills anymore due to my knees, so that's out, unless I can get ATV access to a very good spot, from the game dept. I got info on Lick Creek at the WDFW there, but I can only ride 2 miles from the parking lot, nice huh !!
What is your definition of a "crappy" bull?
One smaller than the one I have.
I would look into a ranch hunt then. Each to his own, but I would never consider an animal that feeds my family "crappy". Sure we all would like to kill a big bull, but if that's all its about there are lots of ranches that would give you what your looking for, without alot of hiking.. :twocents:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 02:38:11 PM
The Colockum has green dot road system and is very ATV friendly with elk all over the place.
But, it has tons of hunters. I'm looking for behind the gates with keys or a disabled, special area where there are few people. I don't like being around people, not used to it. Haven't lived near a town with more than a thousand people for a long time....maybe that's why I get so grumpy on here at times...... :tup:
Post by: jackelope on April 07, 2015, 02:58:03 PM
The Colockum has green dot road system and is very ATV friendly with elk all over the place.
But, it has tons of hunters. I'm looking for behind the gates with keys or a disabled, special area where there are few people. I don't like being around people, not used to it. Haven't lived near a town with more than a thousand people for a long time....maybe that's why I get so grumpy on here at times...... :tup:
Lots of elk, no people, road access for ATV's and keys to locked gates...
My opinion is that you're searching for the near impossible.
Post by: Holg3107 on April 07, 2015, 03:00:39 PM
You are looking for the following:
- 6x6 bull or better
- Over the counter unit
- High harvest success
- ATV access
- Minimal people, but you will have to be near a road for your ATV as you can't hike
- You are disabled but hunt alone? (just curious what you will do if you actually shoot something)
If this is really what you are looking for then I'm thinking you are SOL. I would say go on a ranch hunt because what I lined out above doesn't exist. If you want a bull you have to look at the north east corner or the west side. The northeast corner is close to you but a real challenge unless you can really cover some ground on foot or have insider information. As mentioned get in on one of the weyerhauser or tree farm permits would be your only real shot as far as I can tell.
Post by: Dhoey07 on April 07, 2015, 03:02:18 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on April 07, 2015, 03:03:36 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 07, 2015, 03:15:35 PM
I just want to make sure that we are on the same page.
You are looking for the following:
- 6x6 bull or better
- Over the counter unit
- High harvest success
- ATV access
- Minimal people, but you will have to be near a road for your ATV as you can't hike
- You are disabled but hunt alone? (just curious what you will do if you actually shoot something)
If this is really what you are looking for then I'm thinking you are SOL. I would say go on a ranch hunt because what I lined out above doesn't exist. If you want a bull you have to look at the north east corner or the west side. The northeast corner is close to you but a real challenge unless you can really cover some ground on foot or have insider information. As mentioned get in on one of the weyerhauser or tree farm permits would be your only real shot as far as I can tell.
He's going to apply for permits...
Post by: wooltie on April 07, 2015, 03:17:59 PM
I wanted close to Seattle, lots of bulls, fewer people, obviously. Archery stats only. Westside only.
654 scored highest.
Seems like most elk on the westside are on timberland.
Post by: WSU on April 07, 2015, 03:20:41 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 03:51:29 PM
I just want to make sure that we are on the same page.
You are looking for the following:
- 6x6 bull or better
- Over the counter unit
- High harvest success
- ATV access
- Minimal people, but you will have to be near a road for your ATV as you can't hike
- You are disabled but hunt alone? (just curious what you will do if you actually shoot something)
If this is really what you are looking for then I'm thinking you are SOL. I would say go on a ranch hunt because what I lined out above doesn't exist. If you want a bull you have to look at the north east corner or the west side. The northeast corner is close to you but a real challenge unless you can really cover some ground on foot or have insider information. As mentioned get in on one of the weyerhauser or tree farm permits would be your only real shot as far as I can tell.
Everything you said. No fence hunting, I don't believe in them. Bull size doesn't matter that much. But why waste 12 points on a smaller bull that I could shoot anyhow keeping my points. If I shoot one, i can take care of it alone. Did it before, now it would take longer. As for the NE corner, I actually do have insider info, but never put it to use. AND, I'm looking at moving out-of-state and want to use my points.
I've pretty much always hunted and done things alone. I don't like having to babysit other people..... :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 03:53:31 PM
My suggestion is a fully outfitted, out of state, private land hunt. :twocents:
..............as soon as you buy my house Woodchuck... :tup:
I would only pay for a reasonable wolf hunt.............with a guaranteed kill.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 04:00:18 PM
The only thing I can think of that remotely fits what you're looking for is buying an access permit or lease to private timber land. Even then, you'll like be stuck shooting a "crappy" bull if you are lucky enough to find one in the road.
I thought the way some of you guys talked on here, buying a timberland access permit was a horrible deal. I used to buy the Champion ones all the time when I lived near Kapowsin. It was great.
I'd shoot a crappy bull, if I wasn't possibly going to use 12 precious points and loose them. I'm a horn hunter with points and a meat hunter without points...makes perfect sense to me :tup:
Post by: Mudman on April 07, 2015, 04:24:56 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on April 07, 2015, 04:29:11 PM
:chuckle: Well shoot, I will just write the check, you might give me a little bit before you deposit it though. :bdid:My suggestion is a fully outfitted, out of state, private land hunt. :twocents:
..............as soon as you buy my house Woodchuck... :tup:
I would only pay for a reasonable wolf hunt.............with a guaranteed kill.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 04:51:19 PM
:chuckle: Well shoot, I will just write the check, you might give me a little bit before you deposit it though. :bdid:My suggestion is a fully outfitted, out of state, private land hunt. :twocents:
..............as soon as you buy my house Woodchuck... :tup:
I would only pay for a reasonable wolf hunt.............with a guaranteed kill.
You could make it a racing/hunting lodge ?
Post by: Rainier10 on April 07, 2015, 05:02:32 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 05:09:28 PM
No such place exists. I wouldnt recommend SW Helens herds. Rag horns and herd culled.? Only maybe a Mudflow, Loowitt permit? Im sure all elk wont be dead. 6x5 pretty respectable bull. A bigger one is a challenge for sure. White river/Green river area could be up your alley if you can draw. I think its closest your gonna get bud.
Personally, I don't think I could stand going to the westside to hunt. I'm so used to no traffic and no people. Everything depends on me getting drawn for a multi-season elk tag, then figure it out...
Post by: bobcat on April 07, 2015, 05:13:05 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 07, 2015, 05:32:47 PM
Post by: Stump on April 07, 2015, 06:25:28 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 08:06:23 PM
Why do you need the multi season if you're staying on the east side?
Lotsa places on the eastside from the Canadian Border to the Oregon Border..
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 08:09:09 PM
You can find some good DNR disabled land to hunt. You would be surprised what you will find. Stay away from the popular units.
That's the main reason I quit elk hunting near anyplace close to Seattle. Waaaaay to many people for my taste.
Post by: bobcat on April 07, 2015, 08:12:36 PM
Why do you need the multi season if you're staying on the east side?
Lotsa places on the eastside from the Canadian Border to the Oregon Border..
Right. But I just don't get why the multi-season tag is required, when what you're really wanting to do is use up your 12 quality elk points. Unless I mis-understood? Are you really wanting to hunt archery, muzzleloader, and rifle seasons?
What I would do, if I was moving out of state and had 12 points to use, and knowing now that you don't want to go to the westside, I'd apply for relatively easy to draw muzzleloader permits in the Yakima area. Peaches Ridge would be okay and Observatory might be your best bet since it's more open to ATV use than some of the others.
Post by: coachcw on April 07, 2015, 08:19:14 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on April 07, 2015, 08:43:36 PM
Campmeat- I think if I were you I'd plan on buying a Weyerhaeuser access permit if you draw the multi season. You won't be able to use your ATV, but you can drive logging roads in your truck all day. Get the St. Helens permit or Pe Ell. Permits will be up for sale the last week of May.
:yeah:
And I wouldn't waste a nickel's worth of gas hunting spikes on the eastside.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 08:44:55 PM
Wow ... what a chatty attitude about elk hunting ! I couldn't even Imarine missing one year let alone 26. Your obviously not willing to put your time into a quality hunt and that doesn't mean a pack in hunt . Calling any bull crappy kinda passes me off . All bulls are magnificent .ìf you have 12 points you should have done your homework and spent your time in the field. If your retired I suggest you spend some time scouting areas that you like. If you want less crowds I suggest trying to pull a Muzzy tag but may be to much effort ...if you want to at hunt with less people I suggest making a drive to Montana .there's a bunch of old grumpy over there you might get along with.
You're just jealous..... I haven't elk hunted because I had 2, $100,000 trucks to pay for, plus fuel, tires, upkeep, insurance, employees BS, just to name a few. I can go on.
Montana is out because I don't have 12 points there.
Scouting in those areas that everybody has mentioned, is a minimum of 6 + hours away, one way. Just because someone is retired, doesn't mean they can afford to go at the drop of a hat. I have been to everyone of those units that have been mentioned by the way.
Feel better now coachcw ?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 08:49:12 PM
Campmeat- I think if I were you I'd plan on buying a Weyerhaeuser access permit if you draw the multi season. You won't be able to use your ATV, but you can drive logging roads in your truck all day. Get the St. Helens permit or Pe Ell. Permits will be up for sale the last week of May.
:yeah:
And I wouldn't waste a nickel's worth of gas hunting spikes on the eastside.
No spikes for this kid....
Post by: jstone on April 07, 2015, 08:54:50 PM
Post by: kentrek on April 07, 2015, 09:01:29 PM
Wow ... what a chatty attitude about elk hunting ! I couldn't even Imarine missing one year let alone 26. Your obviously not willing to put your time into a quality hunt and that doesn't mean a pack in hunt . Calling any bull crappy kinda passes me off . All bulls are magnificent .ìf you have 12 points you should have done your homework and spent your time in the field. If your retired I suggest you spend some time scouting areas that you like. If you want less crowds I suggest trying to pull a Muzzy tag but may be to much effort ...if you want to at hunt with less people I suggest making a drive to Montana .there's a bunch of old grumpy over there you might get along with.
:yeah:
Hope you find what your looking for campmeat
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 07, 2015, 09:05:05 PM
Why do you need the multi season if you're staying on the east side?
Lotsa places on the eastside from the Canadian Border to the Oregon Border..
Right. But I just don't get why the multi-season tag is required, when what you're really wanting to do is use up your 12 quality elk points. Unless I mis-understood? Are you really wanting to hunt archery, muzzleloader, and rifle seasons?
What I would do, if I was moving out of state and had 12 points to use, and knowing now that you don't want to go to the westside, I'd apply for relatively easy to draw muzzleloader permits in the Yakima area. Peaches Ridge would be okay and Observatory might be your best bet since it's more open to ATV use than some of the others.
I thought having a multi-season elk permit would be better since I have the 12 points. I might be totally wrong, don't know. From my way of thinking, I could get the permit, then apply for a certain unit, hopefully get drawn for the unit I think is the best and hunt all 3 weapons. Can you even do it that way, since I don't see anything about it either way in the regs. :dunno:
Post by: idahohuntr on April 07, 2015, 09:16:32 PM
What you are looking for simply does not exist. You might as well quit looking now...unless you want to pay big $$$ for private access. :twocents:
Post by: X-Force on April 07, 2015, 09:16:43 PM
Idahohunter is right about the points and getting drawn.
Post by: GurrCentral on April 07, 2015, 09:19:55 PM
Wow ... what a chatty attitude about elk hunting ! I couldn't even Imarine missing one year let alone 26. Your obviously not willing to put your time into a quality hunt and that doesn't mean a pack in hunt . Calling any bull crappy kinda passes me off . All bulls are magnificent .ìf you have 12 points you should have done your homework and spent your time in the field. If your retired I suggest you spend some time scouting areas that you like. If you want less crowds I suggest trying to pull a Muzzy tag but may be to much effort ...if you want to at hunt with less people I suggest making a drive to Montana .there's a bunch of old grumpy over there you might get along with.
Very well said....
Post by: emac on April 07, 2015, 09:25:35 PM
Pretty much are all weapon specific. So if you get drawn for a multi season tag and put in for quality bull for rifle then you can only hunt it during the dates set and you can hunt with all 3 weapons. But if you were to put in for archery you would be able to hunt the dates set but could only hunt with a bowWhy do you need the multi season if you're staying on the east side?
Lotsa places on the eastside from the Canadian Border to the Oregon Border..
Right. But I just don't get why the multi-season tag is required, when what you're really wanting to do is use up your 12 quality elk points. Unless I mis-understood? Are you really wanting to hunt archery, muzzleloader, and rifle seasons?
What I would do, if I was moving out of state and had 12 points to use, and knowing now that you don't want to go to the westside, I'd apply for relatively easy to draw muzzleloader permits in the Yakima area. Peaches Ridge would be okay and Observatory might be your best bet since it's more open to ATV use than some of the others.
I thought having a multi-season elk permit would be better since I have the 12 points. I might be totally wrong, don't know. From my way of thinking, I could get the permit, then apply for a certain unit, hopefully get drawn for the unit I think is the best and hunt all 3 weapons. Can you even do it that way, since I don't see anything about it either way in the regs. :dunno:
Post by: Bob33 on April 07, 2015, 09:37:08 PM
So if you get drawn for a multi season tag and put in for quality bull for rifle then you can only hunt it during the dates set and you can hunt with all 3 weapons. But if you were to put in for archery you would be able to hunt the dates set but could only hunt with a bow.If you draw a modern firearm permit, you may only use a modern firearm for the permit.
Post by: emac on April 07, 2015, 10:30:17 PM
Yes that is true but you could hunt with a bow muzzy or rifle during the rifle season is what I was getting atSo if you get drawn for a multi season tag and put in for quality bull for rifle then you can only hunt it during the dates set and you can hunt with all 3 weapons. But if you were to put in for archery you would be able to hunt the dates set but could only hunt with a bow.If you draw a modern firearm permit, you may only use a modern firearm for the permit.
Post by: stevemiller on April 07, 2015, 11:01:03 PM
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on April 08, 2015, 12:10:54 AM
You can but your limited to 2 options... So is that unit worth the extra $180 or whatever the elk amount is... Plus with limited mobility do you want to risk an archery hunt? I met a guy in colockum last year (archery) that drew quality bull and cow, he could shoot any elk he saw and with his limited mobility he got discouraged after 9 days of seeing squat and went home.That's hard to hear.....such a shame. I'd sell my soul for that bull tag.
Idahohunter is right about the points and getting drawn.
Post by: coachcw on April 08, 2015, 06:28:44 AM
No Not really ..... what your talking about is priority's sir and hunting elk isn't one of yours . your expenses you talk about are called overhead and all of us business owners have them . by the location of your avatar there's no way your six hours from elk but I guess all the bulls in the ne are crappy lil 5x6's. btw Montana is better than a 50% draw for a tag so less than fifty bucks a month give you plenty of quality options . I'm sure that in the past 26 years you haven't taken any vacations or time off and I commend you for being such a hard worker and full filling your responsibility's. If you would of came on here saying that you had done your research and put your time in and shown a different respect for elk I'm sure you would have got different response's .Wow ... what a chatty attitude about elk hunting ! I couldn't even Imarine missing one year let alone 26. Your obviously not willing to put your time into a quality hunt and that doesn't mean a pack in hunt . Calling any bull crappy kinda passes me off . All bulls are magnificent .ìf you have 12 points you should have done your homework and spent your time in the field. If your retired I suggest you spend some time scouting areas that you like. If you want less crowds I suggest trying to pull a Muzzy tag but may be to much effort ...if you want to at hunt with less people I suggest making a drive to Montana .there's a bunch of old grumpy over there you might get along with.
You're just jealous..... I haven't elk hunted because I had 2, $100,000 trucks to pay for, plus fuel, tires, upkeep, insurance, employees BS, just to name a few. I can go on.
Montana is out because I don't have 12 points there.
Scouting in those areas that everybody has mentioned, is a minimum of 6 + hours away, one way. Just because someone is retired, doesn't mean they can afford to go at the drop of a hat. I have been to everyone of those units that have been mentioned by the way.
Feel better now coachcw ?
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on April 08, 2015, 07:35:52 AM
I am of the opinion that any elk is a great one. The food it provides, and the memories of the hunt are the trophies to me. That said I can understand wanting the opportunity at a "good one" when burning points on a tag, out of state etc.
Given that you have stated your disabled and hunt alone, I am ruling archery season out. Even if you killed one a few hundred yards from a road depending on where it died, just getting it processed and out in September weather seems risky at best, with true nightmare potential.
12 points is nothing to sneer at, but its also far, far from a sure thing, ( nothing in Washington is ) Especially for the blues or similar. Again this is where your definition of a trophy comes into play. Will a 260 bull suffice or are you looking for a 340. Given your parameters, of wanting to stay on the Eastside and having motorized access I think bobcats advice on the Yakima area tags are spot on. Especially if "burning" points is your big motivator. Other options I would consider would be some of the limited access private land tags in the blues, but ALOT of homework needs to be done before applying and be aware that although it may not be high fence, based on my research and reports, it may have a "canned" feel to it. However it does sound like it would meet most of your search criteria.
Also do not cast aside the advice from those mentioning out of state hunts. Many easy to draw or OTC units will rival some of our ten year units. So dont let not having a bunch of points discourage you from applying. The bigger draw for you may well be the ATV access which I have found to be much more liberally applied since there is simply more room in those states to allow it.
Good luck :tup:
Post by: Rainier10 on April 08, 2015, 07:46:54 AM
How big is this 5x6 you speak of? I mean there is a big difference between 250 and 330. :dunno: I ask simply to have a reference for what your looking for.:yeah:
I am of the opinion that any elk is a great one. The food it provides, and the memories of the hunt are the trophies to me. That said I can understand wanting the opportunity at a "good one" when burning points on a tag, out of state etc.
Given that you have stated your disabled and hunt alone, I am ruling archery season out. Even if you killed one a few hundred yards from a road depending on where it died, just getting it processed and out in September weather seems risky at best, with true nightmare potential.
12 points is nothing to sneer at, but its also far, far from a sure thing, ( nothing in Washington is ) Especially for the blues or similar. Again this is where your definition of a trophy comes into play. Will a 260 bull suffice or are you looking for a 340. Given your parameters, of wanting to stay on the Eastside and having motorized access I think bobcats advice on the Yakima area tags are spot on. Especially if "burning" points is your big motivator. Other options I would consider would be some of the limited access private land tags in the blues, but ALOT of homework needs to be done before applying and be aware that although it may not be high fence, based on my research and reports, it may have a "canned" feel to it. However it does sound like it would meet most of your search criteria.
Also do not cast aside the advice from those mentioning out of state hunts. Many easy to draw or OTC units will rival some of our ten year units. So dont let not having a bunch of points discourage you from applying. The bigger draw for you may well be the ATV access which I have found to be much more liberally applied since there is simply more room in those states to allow it.
Good luck :tup:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 08, 2015, 07:56:46 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 08, 2015, 07:58:20 AM
The Colockum has green dot road system and is very ATV friendly with elk all over the place.
But, it has tons of hunters. I'm looking for behind the gates with keys or a disabled, special area where there are few people. I don't like being around people, not used to it. Haven't lived near a town with more than a thousand people for a long time....maybe that's why I get so grumpy on here at times...... :tup:
I here you on not seeing people. Why we hunt Idaho.........
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 08, 2015, 08:04:17 AM
Bigger than this.....blackveltbowhunter
Shouldn't be too hard. I mean anywhere you can hunt branch antlered bulls there are bulls that big.
I know you know some spots up in your neck of the woods...what's wrong with them? Especially because 12 pts is far from exceptional :dunno:
Post by: Curly on April 08, 2015, 08:04:40 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 08, 2015, 08:10:53 AM
Post by: TommyH on April 08, 2015, 08:26:29 AM
I just want to make sure that we are on the same page.
You are looking for the following:
- 6x6 bull or better
- Over the counter unit
- High harvest success
- ATV access
- Minimal people, but you will have to be near a road for your ATV
I dream of this place all the time!!!
Still searching for it tho.... :chuckle:
Post by: coachcw on April 08, 2015, 09:12:11 AM
Post by: packmule on April 08, 2015, 10:08:27 AM
shown a different respect for elk I'm sure you would have got different response's .
I think this pretty well summarizes the problems with this post :)
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 08, 2015, 03:46:48 PM
shown a different respect for elk I'm sure you would have got different response's .
I think this pretty well summarizes the problems with this post :)
Elk hunting doesn't rule my life, nor do I believe in getting all riled up about a reasonable question....
I've gotten probably close to 30 PM's on where to possible look on both sides of the state. So what YOU see, isn't what I GET... :tup:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 08, 2015, 03:48:49 PM
A dink bull bull in one of the units you allready mentioned.
Oh stop already. You know I can have a companion with me, who can harvest a bull too, if it's in a disabled area.........just saying' :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on April 08, 2015, 04:39:25 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 08, 2015, 05:24:23 PM
Does it have to be a designated "disabled area" for a companion hunter to help you out? :dunno:
I'm not sure, because I've never used a disabled area before. I don't think it has to be. I have to designate my companion is about all I know. It could be a win, win huh ...
Post by: coachcw on April 08, 2015, 06:19:03 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 08, 2015, 06:42:39 PM
you don't have to only hunt disabled areas to have a companion hunter , they just need to be in close proximity , the law is pretty loose and most wardens wont touch it . all road travel laws apply and only the disabled hunter can shoot from the vehicle as per law. the companion hunter must have a license and hunt in compliance with the tag .
Here's another for you. If I got drawn for a quality bull unit, any unit, could my companion kill a quality bull too ? Like I've said, I've never used my disability for hunting.
Post by: bobcat on April 08, 2015, 07:10:22 PM
you don't have to only hunt disabled areas to have a companion hunter , they just need to be in close proximity , the law is pretty loose and most wardens wont touch it . all road travel laws apply and only the disabled hunter can shoot from the vehicle as per law. the companion hunter must have a license and hunt in compliance with the tag .
Here's another for you. If I got drawn for a quality bull unit, any unit, could my companion kill a quality bull too ? Like I've said, I've never used my disability for hunting.
No!
But he could shoot your bull for you.
Post by: GurrCentral on April 08, 2015, 07:16:59 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 08, 2015, 07:19:54 PM
you don't have to only hunt disabled areas to have a companion hunter , they just need to be in close proximity , the law is pretty loose and most wardens wont touch it . all road travel laws apply and only the disabled hunter can shoot from the vehicle as per law. the companion hunter must have a license and hunt in compliance with the tag .
Here's another for you. If I got drawn for a quality bull unit, any unit, could my companion kill a quality bull too ? Like I've said, I've never used my disability for hunting.
No!
But he could shoot your bull for you.
That wouldn't be any fun.............. :tup:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 08, 2015, 07:24:51 PM
I have nothing against a companion hunter that shoots an animal for an individual....but if you just want someone to go out and shoot a non-"crappy" bull so you can have one that is bigger than the one on your wall...is it worth it? To me no. I would rather shoot a cow or spike myself..as opposed to someone else shooting a big bull for me...and me putting it on my wall.
I didn't ask about a " companion " shooting my bull. I don't need no stinking help shooting a " crappy " bull, or any other animal for me. I'm perfectly capable of doing it myself. And, a crappy bull is a crappy bull. People complain all the time that, It's not quite what I'm looking for. So I think you can drop the sarcasm...
Post by: coachcw on April 08, 2015, 07:31:24 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 08, 2015, 07:34:14 PM
Go to your happy place ! Lol
Somebody needs to meditate.....aaaooom !!
Post by: ghosthunter on April 08, 2015, 07:37:22 PM
Post by: GurrCentral on April 08, 2015, 07:39:00 PM
I have nothing against a companion hunter that shoots an animal for an individual....but if you just want someone to go out and shoot a non-"crappy" bull so you can have one that is bigger than the one on your wall...is it worth it? To me no. I would rather shoot a cow or spike myself..as opposed to someone else shooting a big bull for me...and me putting it on my wall.
I didn't ask about a " companion " shooting my bull. I don't need no stinking help shooting a " crappy " bull, or any other animal for me. I'm perfectly capable of doing it myself. And, a crappy bull is a crappy bull. People complain all the time that, It's not quite what I'm looking for. So I think you can drop the sarcasm...
I guess we just have a different level of respect for the game we choose to pursue......
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 08, 2015, 07:45:36 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 08, 2015, 08:01:46 PM
Actually according to Big Tex and an rcw he posted in a different thread a while back, a companion hunter can only dispatch an animal which has already been WOUNDED by the disabled hunter. A companion hunter cannot shoot an animal for the disabled hunter.you don't have to only hunt disabled areas to have a companion hunter , they just need to be in close proximity , the law is pretty loose and most wardens wont touch it . all road travel laws apply and only the disabled hunter can shoot from the vehicle as per law. the companion hunter must have a license and hunt in compliance with the tag .
Here's another for you. If I got drawn for a quality bull unit, any unit, could my companion kill a quality bull too ? Like I've said, I've never used my disability for hunting.
No!
But he could shoot your bull for you.
Post by: bobcat on April 08, 2015, 08:13:00 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 08, 2015, 08:35:32 PM
Yes I remember that, and I don't agree with it.I don't agree either, myself and others have helped my dad for years! And we will continue to.
Post by: coachcw on April 08, 2015, 08:38:28 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 08, 2015, 08:49:16 PM
Page 92 of 2014 regs describes it . Companion hunter must be within 1/4 mile and communication of disabled hunter, yes he or she can harvest animal but they don't get a two ferexactly!
Post by: GurrCentral on April 08, 2015, 08:55:33 PM
I have nothing against a companion hunter that shoots an animal for an individual....but if you just want someone to go out and shoot a non-"crappy" bull so you can have one that is bigger than the one on your wall...is it worth it? To me no. I would rather shoot a cow or spike myself..as opposed to someone else shooting a big bull for me...and me putting it on my wall.
I didn't ask about a " companion " shooting my bull. I don't need no stinking help shooting a " crappy " bull, or any other animal for me. I'm perfectly capable of doing it myself. And, a crappy bull is a crappy bull. People complain all the time that, It's not quite what I'm looking for. So I think you can drop the sarcasm...
Are you preferring a disabled hunt, warrenting that it meets your requirements? Also, if your statement is true about being able to kill and pack out an animal (an elk)by yourself ...should you be applying for disabled? I hate to be that guy and point that out...but ....killing an elk and packing it out by yourself doesn't get easier each year for all people....
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 09, 2015, 08:35:37 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 09, 2015, 08:49:52 AM
I have nothing against a companion hunter that shoots an animal for an individual....but if you just want someone to go out and shoot a non-"crappy" bull so you can have one that is bigger than the one on your wall...is it worth it? To me no. I would rather shoot a cow or spike myself..as opposed to someone else shooting a big bull for me...and me putting it on my wall.
I didn't ask about a " companion " shooting my bull. I don't need no stinking help shooting a " crappy " bull, or any other animal for me. I'm perfectly capable of doing it myself. And, a crappy bull is a crappy bull. People complain all the time that, It's not quite what I'm looking for. So I think you can drop the sarcasm...
Are you preferring a disabled hunt, warrenting that it meets your requirements? Also, if your statement is true about being able to kill and pack out an animal (an elk)by yourself ...should you be applying for disabled? I hate to be that guy and point that out...but ....killing an elk and packing it out by yourself doesn't get easier each year for all people....
I can do everything for a successful hunt. Disabled hunters are given the very worst areas to hunt. I looked at a disabled elk hunt area offered to me by Delores Noyes, who runs the disabled hunters deal. I went and looked at that tiny, 2 mile, overgrown logging road, non- elk area. You went into Idaho out of Priest River, then back into Washington to hunt the elk. I found out from the locals they'd never seen an elk in there, ever. So far, disabled areas suck. I've never used one in my life. Also, I can bring a companion hunter with me if I choose too. I'm just putting out feelers for info, because I give out all kinds of info for my area, through the PM's on here. So, that's where I'm coming from with my original question. Then it turns into the typical BS.
Post by: bobcat on April 09, 2015, 08:54:34 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 09, 2015, 08:58:21 AM
The good thing is that you're not restricted to the special disabled hunter areas. You can hunt anywhere you want.
No kidding. Have you, personally, ever looked at a disabled area ? Pretty sad.....
Post by: bobcat on April 09, 2015, 09:08:01 AM
The good thing is that you're not restricted to the special disabled hunter areas. You can hunt anywhere you want.
No kidding. Have you, personally, ever looked at a disabled area ? Pretty sad.....
Yes I have, for my uncle. Mostly looked at the deer areas though. Are you talking about the ones that you have to draw?
Post by: trophyhunt on April 09, 2015, 09:13:47 AM
Thats what the regs say but according to Big Tex, the RCW states different and that RCW's trump the game regs. I think its stupid too, I'm just passing on the info. Don't shoot the messanger. :sry::chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 09, 2015, 09:26:12 AM
The good thing is that you're not restricted to the special disabled hunter areas. You can hunt anywhere you want.
No kidding. Have you, personally, ever looked at a disabled area ? Pretty sad.....
Yes I have, for my uncle. Mostly looked at the deer areas though. Are you talking about the ones that you have to draw?
No. I've looked at the ones over here that are for all to hunt too.. not good.
Post by: GurrCentral on April 09, 2015, 06:34:21 PM
I have nothing against a companion hunter that shoots an animal for an individual....but if you just want someone to go out and shoot a non-"crappy" bull so you can have one that is bigger than the one on your wall...is it worth it? To me no. I would rather shoot a cow or spike myself..as opposed to someone else shooting a big bull for me...and me putting it on my wall.
I didn't ask about a " companion " shooting my bull. I don't need no stinking help shooting a " crappy " bull, or any other animal for me. I'm perfectly capable of doing it myself. And, a crappy bull is a crappy bull. People complain all the time that, It's not quite what I'm looking for. So I think you can drop the sarcasm...
Are you preferring a disabled hunt, warrenting that it meets your requirements? Also, if your statement is true about being able to kill and pack out an animal (an elk)by yourself ...should you be applying for disabled? I hate to be that guy and point that out...but ....killing an elk and packing it out by yourself doesn't get easier each year for all people....
I can do everything for a successful hunt. Disabled hunters are given the very worst areas to hunt. I looked at a disabled elk hunt area offered to me by Delores Noyes, who runs the disabled hunters deal. I went and looked at that tiny, 2 mile, overgrown logging road, non- elk area. You went into Idaho out of Priest River, then back into Washington to hunt the elk. I found out from the locals they'd never seen an elk in there, ever. So far, disabled areas suck. I've never used one in my life. Also, I can bring a companion hunter with me if I choose too. I'm just putting out feelers for info, because I give out all kinds of info for my area, through the PM's on here. So, that's where I'm coming from with my original question. Then it turns into the typical BS.
Gotcha, well good on you for not using the disabled program if you are fully capable!! No sarcasm, there are alot of people who take advantage of that program (not in a good way), that are fully capable of hunting normal seasons. Kind of pisses a guy off when someone is "disabled" and they can pack out an elk. I would most definately help out someone in need however I could (well, I probly wouldn't shoot an animal for them), but if they were capable id tell them to scout, and hunt like everyone else. Good luck this season on finding a bull.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 09, 2015, 06:42:56 PM
Post by: Piscatory_5 on April 11, 2015, 11:27:23 PM
Personally, I don't think I could stand going to the westside to hunt. I'm so used to no traffic and no people. Everything depends on me getting drawn for a multi-season elk tag, then figure it out...
SW Wa most likely does not have what you want, big bulls are not the norm around here even though Williams creek area is one of if not the highest harvest numbers for elk in the state. You may get the best access with your disability and age but there is only the occasional big bull taken.
Post by: HntnFsh on April 12, 2015, 07:19:18 AM
Does it have to be a designated "disabled area" for a companion hunter to help you out? :dunno:
No.
Post by: cryder on April 13, 2015, 09:57:34 AM
Post by: Muleyslyr on April 14, 2015, 08:27:03 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 15, 2015, 11:49:40 PM
Heck just pick the one that has the guy at the gate to make sure you paid your 300 dollars to get in,then he points you in the derection of parking,foolows you to the spot,punches your parking ticket,and hands you a flyer for next year and tells you how much time you have points you in the derection they have decided to let you hunt before you got there and says ( BE SAFE !! ) Well when a guy tells me to be safe on a paid for permit land deal for bow season, I emediately wondered were they parked everybody else I geuss the 300 dollars was for parking , the flyer and the guy sitting there,Im thinking this is were my anxiety stuff started, I swear it is never again!!So my answer, don't follow the money, the guys that run the show only care about money and there own freezers , just my take from the experience, goooo, 364 ,that's allways my choice regardless of the negatives ,( don't get me stared ? ) :bash:
Translate your msg please. I have an IEP, donated FREE permit, I just got in the mail last week,
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 16, 2015, 05:42:47 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 17, 2015, 06:11:15 PM
Thanks for all the responses. I guess the WDFW will make an honest, law abiding citizen a law breaker...some laws are meant to be broken.
I'm a rebel with a cause.....
I'll be on Rugged Justice.....
Bail me outta da jail....
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2015, 06:23:50 PM
Doesn't sound like you're all that disabled anyway. :dunno:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 17, 2015, 07:27:12 PM
Like I said, you can hunt anywhere you want, you don't have to hunt the disabled access areas, if you don't like them.
Doesn't sound like you're all that disabled anyway. :dunno:
Can't hike or walk up and down hills. No balance hardly.
Post by: huntingbaldguy on April 27, 2015, 03:01:35 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 27, 2015, 09:03:04 AM
My opinion, if you want the perfect scenario like you seem to be looking for, private property is the only real option.
I have that all lined out, IF, I get drawn for that specific unit.
Post by: kball4 on April 27, 2015, 11:14:34 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 27, 2015, 04:00:40 PM
Looking at the 2014 harvest reports 23 or 26 bulls with 6+ points were killed in Lewis River GMU 560.
I lived on the westside and hunted Kapowsin. I lived 3 miles from there. I worked over there and haven't been on the westside for 6 years and have zero desire to ever go over there again.
Post by: coachcw on April 27, 2015, 09:11:23 PM
I have nothing against a companion hunter that shoots an animal for an individual....but if you just want someone to go out and shoot a non-"crappy" bull so you can have one that is bigger than the one on your wall...is it worth it? To me no. I would rather shoot a cow or spike myself..as opposed to someone else shooting a big bull for me...and me putting it on my wall.
Kinda weird you can't hike up or down hill but can handle a elk alone.... I know you haven't hunted elk for awhile do you remember how much work they are once o the ground.... or do you expect to drive right up to him ? I'M not sure Kansas has a elk hunt :chuckle:
I didn't ask about a " companion " shooting my bull. I don't need no stinking help shooting a " crappy " bull, or any other animal for me. I'm perfectly capable of doing it myself. And, a crappy bull is a crappy bull. People complain all the time that, It's not quite what I'm looking for. So I think you can drop the sarcasm...