Post by: vandeman17 on April 17, 2015, 01:19:24 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 17, 2015, 01:45:55 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 17, 2015, 01:51:53 PM
Better to be the first one in there after those bucks than the last, archery guys got to be happy about that one.
Exactly and I see a lot of deer when I am out and about scouting for ducks before the season. Just hotter than heck and snakes galore that time of year. :yike:
Post by: trophyhunt on April 17, 2015, 01:56:16 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 17, 2015, 02:52:32 PM
Post by: Mfowl on April 23, 2015, 10:11:18 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on April 23, 2015, 10:16:16 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 23, 2015, 10:22:23 PM
That would be a heck of a challenge, but I have to say I can't stand seeing any nice animals killed while still in the velvet! Yuk! It just looks 100% better all colored up.I agree 100% ..I like them all rutted up and Swollen necked :tup:
Post by: Mfowl on April 24, 2015, 06:44:13 AM
There were more archery permits last year. No difference just cut in half now.
Irregardless, the tag allocation for that unit is unbalanced! Archery has the smallest user group applying for tags, I see no reason why they should also have the largest tag allocation as well. The scale should be balanced as that is a desirable unit for all user groups.
Post by: dreamunelk on April 24, 2015, 06:52:37 AM
Post by: Bwana Bob on April 24, 2015, 07:20:06 AM
Post by: Mfowl on April 24, 2015, 11:41:23 AM
Tag allocation does not equal harvest. That is what they are thinking of when allocating tags. If to successful they can always reduce tags.
So by this are you suggesting that ML has the highest success rate for this unit and there for have the lowest allocation of tags? If so I disagree! In addition both MF and Archery have tags that are timed with the rut, no such allocation for ML. I think a premiere unit should have adequate opportunity for all user groups!
Post by: vandeman17 on April 24, 2015, 12:24:11 PM
Tag allocation does not equal harvest. That is what they are thinking of when allocating tags. If to successful they can always reduce tags.
So by this are you suggesting that ML has the highest success rate for this unit and there for have the lowest allocation of tags? If so I disagree! In addition both MF and Archery have tags that are timed with the rut, no such allocation for ML. I think a premiere unit should have adequate opportunity for all user groups!
I understand and agree with your argument here but I think that the reason is two-fold. First is that archery is harder and with lower success rates than muzzy and rifle and thus the number of permits. Rifle is the cash cow of the WDFW and the largest user group so they allocate more there as well so they can get more applications and more $$. :twocents:
Post by: Mfowl on April 24, 2015, 05:46:06 PM
Tag allocation does not equal harvest. That is what they are thinking of when allocating tags. If to successful they can always reduce tags.
So by this are you suggesting that ML has the highest success rate for this unit and there for have the lowest allocation of tags? If so I disagree! In addition both MF and Archery have tags that are timed with the rut, no such allocation for ML. I think a premiere unit should have adequate opportunity for all user groups!
I understand and agree with your argument here but I think that the reason is two-fold. First is that archery is harder and with lower success rates than muzzy and rifle and thus the number of permits. Rifle is the cash cow of the WDFW and the largest user group so they allocate more there as well so they can get more applications and more $$. :twocents:
It occurred to me that the ML guys used to get the first season in 290 as well. Very few tags but first crack. Now there is a long season with a decent amount of hunters leading right in to ML season and still only 2 tags for ML. As an ML hunter who applies for this unit, I feel shafted! I have no issue with the MF allocation, many more applicants than the other groups. As for archery being harder, this is certainly true. IMO a few tags shifting from archery to ML in exchange for first crack and to balance the scale a bit isn't unreasonable. I think I'll be putting my points elsewhere this season, maybe a change of pace will be the ticket.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 24, 2015, 06:04:38 PM
Tag allocation does not equal harvest. That is what they are thinking of when allocating tags. If to successful they can always reduce tags.
So by this are you suggesting that ML has the highest success rate for this unit and there for have the lowest allocation of tags? If so I disagree! In addition both MF and Archery have tags that are timed with the rut, no such allocation for ML. I think a premiere unit should have adequate opportunity for all user groups!
I understand and agree with your argument here but I think that the reason is two-fold. First is that archery is harder and with lower success rates than muzzy and rifle and thus the number of permits. Rifle is the cash cow of the WDFW and the largest user group so they allocate more there as well so they can get more applications and more $$. :twocents:
It occurred to me that the ML guys used to get the first season in 290 as well. Very few tags but first crack. Now there is a long season with a decent amount of hunters leading right in to ML season and still only 2 tags for ML. As an ML hunter who applies for this unit, I feel shafted! I have no issue with the MF allocation, many more applicants than the other groups. As for archery being harder, this is certainly true. IMO a few tags shifting from archery to ML in exchange for first crack and to balance the scale a bit isn't unreasonable. I think I'll be putting my points elsewhere this season, maybe a change of pace will be the ticket.
Can't argue with that. I smell what you are stepping in
Post by: splitshot on April 24, 2015, 08:11:34 PM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on April 24, 2015, 08:35:27 PM
Post by: fly4fish on April 24, 2015, 10:18:23 PM
As an archery hunter, I think the tag allocation is a bit off for the muzzy hunters, but I'm not gonna complain.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on April 25, 2015, 02:11:26 PM
What percentage of total WA tags are muzzy? Not including multi. I don't know the answer, just curious.
Found it - muzzy is 6.7% of the overall deer hunters. Appears to be 53 total quality tags in the Desert, so 2 tags out of 53 is a little under 4%. Really not that far off. Add a 3rd and the muzzy allocation would be right there.
The tag allocation between weapons and units varies greatly. There will be a weapon group that thinks they are getting the late tag shaft in pretty much every unit, it just varies from one weapon and unit to the next.
Post by: bobcat on April 25, 2015, 02:59:52 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on April 25, 2015, 03:04:19 PM
Post by: Mfowl on April 25, 2015, 05:06:00 PM
Post by: Thehowler on April 30, 2015, 07:39:02 PM
Post by: splitshot on April 30, 2015, 07:52:16 PM
Post by: Chesapeake on April 30, 2015, 09:55:25 PM
At least this year it looks like they expanded muzzy elk opportunity, but it seems at the expense of the hunt quality.
With the new tag/season structure many of the better units will get pounded from September straight through November and into December.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 30, 2015, 10:26:03 PM