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Title: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: AZcoueshunter78 on April 17, 2015, 06:48:09 PM: So whats the chance a guy new to washington could draw a moose tag first year out? Dont mean to sound unknowledgeable but im new to the state and not familiar with how the draw process works and what bonus points do for you. Im only used to Az's draw. Thanks in advance.
Chad
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on April 17, 2015, 06:54:06 PM: Well if you pull it off don't post about it. All us haters will hate you for doing the impossible. :chuckle:

Plus immediately buy a lottery ticket with luck like that. :hello:
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: Skillet on April 17, 2015, 06:55:53 PM: Hot topic around here. Lots of good reading of you do a search. My take on it is that bonus points are marketed as increasing your odds exponentially every year. But in reality, your actual odds go down every year, even though you have more bonus points. There just aren't enough tags to go around to even out the pool on an annual basis.
That said, it only takes one.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2015, 06:59:51 PM: Odds are very low but you can't draw if you don't apply. Just think of it as a donation to the WDFW. It's only about $14. I've been applying for 20 years and haven't drawn yet.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2015, 07:18:06 PM: The way the draw works, is your first time applying you have 1 point. The points are squared, and that's how many times your "name goes in the hat." People that have applied every year since the beginning of the point system will have 20 points this year. 20 squared is 400, so they have a 400 times better chance of drawing than you do.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: Bob33 on April 17, 2015, 07:30:22 PM: To answer your question specifically - in 2014 there were 21,665 applications for 83 "Any moose" permits.

Of the 21,665 total applications, 2,851 of them were applications with 1 point. None of the applications with 1 point were drawn.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: AZcoueshunter78 on April 17, 2015, 07:58:06 PM: Think im gunna givenit a go, ya never know it could happen and if not ill start building points.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2015, 08:02:24 PM: Just think of it this way- next year your odds will be four times better than this year. That's all the points are good for, keeps people applying every year, so they can continue building points, and not drawing any permits. Although I did finally draw bighorn sheep last year, and that's a tougher draw than moose.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 17, 2015, 08:39:49 PM: I know someone who drew with one and another guy who drew with two. Both killed monster bulls. It can happen but you've got to be very lucky.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: Falcon on April 17, 2015, 10:00:59 PM: I need to be the next lucky guy👊
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: stevemiller on April 17, 2015, 10:12:10 PM: when do you start applying. for the draws anyway?
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: trophyhunt on April 17, 2015, 10:14:20 PM: Now
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: splitshot on April 17, 2015, 10:28:01 PM: when is the deadline for the permits to be submitted online? mike w
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: stevemiller on April 17, 2015, 10:28:46 PM: ok thanks i missed something today,what thread has the link for online regs? please thank you.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: Curly on April 18, 2015, 07:34:36 AM: Quote from: stevemiller on April 17, 2015, 10:28:46 PM
ok thanks i missed something today,what thread has the link for online regs? please thank you.
Www.google.com
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: stevemiller on April 18, 2015, 11:18:44 AM: Quote from: Curly on April 18, 2015, 07:34:36 AM
Quote from: stevemiller on April 17, 2015, 10:28:46 PM
ok thanks i missed something today,what thread has the link for online regs? please thank you.
Www.google.com
Your good.Hope you need something sometime and are treated the same :tdown:
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: jackelope on April 18, 2015, 11:21:21 AM: Quote from: stevemiller on April 17, 2015, 10:28:46 PM
ok thanks i missed something today,what thread has the link for online regs? please thank you.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: stevemiller on April 18, 2015, 11:24:12 AM: Quote from: jackelope on April 18, 2015, 11:21:21 AM
Quote from: stevemiller on April 17, 2015, 10:28:46 PM
ok thanks i missed something today,what thread has the link for online regs? please thank you.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/
Thank you sir,I did finally find it earlier but your link is greatly appreciated.I hope you have a great season. :tup:
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: Skillet on April 18, 2015, 11:51:33 AM: Quote from: bobcat on April 17, 2015, 08:02:24 PM
Just think of it this way- next year your odds will be four times better than this year. That's all the points are good for, keeps people applying every year, so they can continue building points, and not drawing any permits. Although I did finally draw bighorn sheep last year, and that's a tougher draw than moose.
Actually, your odds will only be four times better than the guy who is putting in for the first time. Your actual odds of pulling a permit will probably go down compared to this year, unless lightning strikes and all of the moose permits go to max (or near-max) point holders and cleans the pool out. One 20 point holder getting taken out is the same as 440 first year guys getting taken out. Even then, I doubt there's enough permits available to actually slow down point creep... outside of the guy putting in for the second year (whose number of names in the hat increases 400% over the first year, a greater increase than any other group and likely enough to beat depreciation based on points creep) everybody's real odds of getting drawn are going down every year.
:twocents:
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: AZcoueshunter78 on April 18, 2015, 02:51:54 PM: So i would guess its safe to say that goat and bighorn is worse draw odds than moose and i should most likely just start trying to build points and hope i draw before im too cripples to hunt them? Thanks for the info guys its been alot of help!
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: Skillet on April 18, 2015, 03:14:22 PM: I like bobcat's "consider it a donation" outlook. Based on the way things are going, more points don't necessarily mean better overall odds, it just means better odds against the guys with fewer points than you. There is one guarantee - you won't ever pull the tag of you don't put in for it.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: Falcon on April 18, 2015, 04:32:33 PM: Quote from: Skillet on April 18, 2015, 03:14:22 PM
I like bobcat's "consider it a donation" outlook. Based on the way things are going, more points don't necessarily mean better overall odds, it just means better odds against the guys with fewer points than you. There is one guarantee - you won't ever pull the tag of you don't put in for it.

:yeah:
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2015, 04:39:34 PM: Yup it's pretty much just a donation. I've been donating for 20 with elk, 11 years for deer and 16 years for moose, sheep and goat. Our odds are terrible, what sucks is when you start getting a bunch of points you start thinking this is the year. In reality, your odds are not much better.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: Skillet on April 18, 2015, 04:48:20 PM: You're the guy I always think of when this discussion comes up. When you've got max points it means you've been disappointed the most. You couldn't have been let down any more...

Max points = max pain ?
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: AZcoueshunter78 on April 18, 2015, 04:51:34 PM: Think ill just try and see what happens. And maybe donate some money to wdfw. Something new especially since they dont have goat or moose in az so heck why not give it a shot.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2015, 05:01:46 PM: Yup, very painful. The worst part is waiting all these years and having my youth just go away! I will tell you this much, when I do eventually draw, I"M DONE! I will still put in but only when I draw multi season permits. Ghost points are my future.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: AZcoueshunter78 on April 18, 2015, 05:48:20 PM: I think alot of bonus point draw systems are very flawwed like az a guy could pull a tag of a lifetime with no points or not pull an elk tag for a so so unit with max points. Sounds like it is the same up here. I still have 6 points in as for deer that i was trying to save up for a strip tag as a resident before i moved here. Guess ill be trying non resident odds now!
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2015, 05:53:44 PM: I don't believe there is a difference in Wa when it comes to resident or non resident draw odds. Not enough nonresidents buy our tags to separate them from us.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: blindluck on April 20, 2015, 06:38:58 PM: I've been puttng in for 23 years, dad got drawn with 9 points and stepbrother got drawn with 5 points. Lucky guys.
Title: Re: New to washington draws for moose
Post by: Bob33 on April 20, 2015, 06:44:29 PM: Quote from: trophyhunt on April 18, 2015, 05:53:44 PM
I don't believe there is a difference in Wa when it comes to resident or non resident draw odds. Not enough nonresidents buy our tags to separate them from us.
That is correct. Odds are the same.