Post by: cboom on April 28, 2015, 01:47:27 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 28, 2015, 01:51:20 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 28, 2015, 02:15:45 PM
Post by: bearhunter99 on April 28, 2015, 02:24:45 PM
As far as quality I will leave that up to those with more knowledge.
Post by: grundy53 on April 28, 2015, 02:26:32 PM
Post by: grundy53 on April 28, 2015, 02:27:31 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 28, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
It's the same as buying a firearm. You need to get the background check. Even before 594 you still needed to go through the background check if going through a dealer. Also if ordering online it needs to be shipped to a FFL.
Thanks for correcting me.
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 28, 2015, 02:39:38 PM
Persenaly I would put the extra $$$ into a quality billet upper receiver before I would a lower. Not a must but it doesn't hurt to have the longer and heavier barrels seated in a stout receiver in my opinion. As for a standard weight or carbine barrel any upper will do. They are all modular and fairly simple once you have done a complete hands on build yourself.
As for the lower it is best to pick one up at a local shop, I know our local shops sell Anderson lowers for $50.00 and the paperwork is included. AIM Surplus carries Anderson lowers for $40.00 bucks usually free shipping but on the other hand our local FFL's charge $40.00 a lower to receiver them and do the transfer.
Mega does quality forged and billet stuff. Griz Precision a board sponsor has some good prices on their own billet lowers.
http://shop.grizzprecision.com/products/ar-15-7075-billet-lower
Post by: grundy53 on April 28, 2015, 02:46:00 PM
No problem. I've bought a few... :chuckle:It's the same as buying a firearm. You need to get the background check. Even before 594 you still needed to go through the background check if going through a dealer. Also if ordering online it needs to be shipped to a FFL.
Thanks for correcting me.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 28, 2015, 03:03:38 PM
Post by: stevemiller on April 28, 2015, 03:52:30 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on April 28, 2015, 03:58:25 PM
The way i understand it is there really is only 1 lower that all other manufactures use (unless of course its billet).The logos and such are just put on when ordered.
Aero
Anderson
Mega
Oly
CMT
LMT
All machine Forged lowers.
I'm sure there are more
Post by: batch on April 28, 2015, 03:59:30 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 28, 2015, 05:39:45 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on April 28, 2015, 05:54:32 PM
Most tend to blame lowers for fit issues , more often than not its the lowers parts kit parts being out of spec or coated to heavily. This is seen more often when fitting a "Selector switch" when the coating is to heavy on the selector and its a tight fit. Nothing a few minutes and some Emery cloth won't smooth up on the selector. I've seen the results of guys going after the lower will a dremel tool to remedy the issue, not the thing to do.
Always start with the cheapest part.
Post by: stevemiller on April 28, 2015, 06:10:08 PM
I am gonna say this again,The way I understand it is all AR lowers are made by the same company then sent off to the customers to finish except those that are billet.You have proof of other wise I would love to see it.The way i understand it is there really is only 1 lower that all other manufactures use (unless of course its billet).The logos and such are just put on when ordered.
Aero
Anderson
Mega
Oly
CMT
LMT
All machine Forged lowers.
I'm sure there are more
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 28, 2015, 06:17:58 PM
Post by: stevemiller on April 28, 2015, 06:20:11 PM
the composite ones are different mfgs.Yes and these same as billet.A few diff. manufactures MAGPUL got the first patent to make these composite ones.
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on April 28, 2015, 06:28:39 PM
I am gonna say this again,The way I understand it is all AR lowers are made by the same company then sent off to the customers to finish except those that are billet.You have proof of other wise I would love to see it.The way i understand it is there really is only 1 lower that all other manufactures use (unless of course its billet).The logos and such are just put on when ordered.
Aero
Anderson
Mega
Oly
CMT
LMT
All machine Forged lowers.
I'm sure there are more
Probably not the same company, but maybe the same small number of companies.
See the thread over at AR15.com
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/318113_index.html
Post by: stevemiller on April 28, 2015, 06:45:31 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 28, 2015, 06:46:11 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on April 28, 2015, 07:02:03 PM
I am gonna say this again,The way I understand it is all AR lowers are made by the same company then sent off to the customers to finish except those that are billet.You have proof of other wise I would love to see it.The way i understand it is there really is only 1 lower that all other manufactures use (unless of course its billet).The logos and such are just put on when ordered.
Aero
Anderson
Mega
Oly
CMT
LMT
All machine Forged lowers.
I'm sure there are more
I have observed forged lowers being cut (start to finish) at Aero Precision, MEGA and OLY.
We (Grizz Precision) have been getting quotes from several FFL07 manufacturers to make our branded lowers (Billet and forged) for us on a variance.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on April 28, 2015, 07:05:18 PM
I am gonna say this again,The way I understand it is all AR lowers are made by the same company then sent off to the customers to finish except those that are billet.You have proof of other wise I would love to see it.The way i understand it is there really is only 1 lower that all other manufactures use (unless of course its billet).The logos and such are just put on when ordered.
Aero
Anderson
Mega
Oly
CMT
LMT
All machine Forged lowers.
I'm sure there are more
Probably not the same company, but maybe the same small number of companies.
See the thread over at AR15.com
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/318113_index.html
Look at the date on the thread
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on April 28, 2015, 07:11:21 PM
:yeah: Yes this is more like what I was to understand.Do these 4 Co. also forge their own or does that boil down to just 1 forging co.?
I'm no expert... I just find it un-likely that all AR15 lowers are manufactured by one company.
From the AR15.com link:
There are currently FOUR manufacturers that produce the majority of lower receivers for the AR market.
MMS, CMT, LMT and LAR receive orders from many licensed manufacturers who obtain an ATF variance to have them cut and logo receivers on their behalf.
The guy seems pretty knowledgeable, and no one rebuked him. It seems that if you put out bad information on AR15.com there are always lots of people that are more than happy to jump on you...
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on April 28, 2015, 07:14:18 PM
I am gonna say this again,The way I understand it is all AR lowers are made by the same company then sent off to the customers to finish except those that are billet.You have proof of other wise I would love to see it.The way i understand it is there really is only 1 lower that all other manufactures use (unless of course its billet).The logos and such are just put on when ordered.
Aero
Anderson
Mega
Oly
CMT
LMT
All machine Forged lowers.
I'm sure there are more
Probably not the same company, but maybe the same small number of companies.
See the thread over at AR15.com
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/318113_index.html
Look at the date on the thread
Yep, my mistake...
So, back in 2007, there were 4 major manufactures.
Now, there are even more.
Like is said, I just couldn't believe all lowers were made by one company.
Post by: stevemiller on April 28, 2015, 07:19:45 PM
first the grizz stuff looks awesome,Second You say you have seen them cut from start to finish cool but did they come in forged first.If you didnt see a foundry they prob. didnt have one. :twocents: ME I am retired Machinist,Engineer after my Military career .Now Foundries are very far and very few between.I am gonna say this again,The way I understand it is all AR lowers are made by the same company then sent off to the customers to finish except those that are billet.You have proof of other wise I would love to see it.The way i understand it is there really is only 1 lower that all other manufactures use (unless of course its billet).The logos and such are just put on when ordered.
Aero
Anderson
Mega
Oly
CMT
LMT
All machine Forged lowers.
I'm sure there are more
I have observed forged lowers being cut (start to finish) at Aero Precision, MEGA and OLY.
We (Grizz Precision) have been getting quotes from several FFL07 manufacturers to make our branded lowers (Billet and forged) for us on a variance.
Post by: stevemiller on April 28, 2015, 07:21:20 PM
THE KEY TO THIS HERE POINT IS THAT THEY ALL MACHINE FORGED LOWERS.I look at this as the forged lowers come in and then they machine the already forged lowers.Do they all have a foundry?I doubt it lolI am gonna say this again,The way I understand it is all AR lowers are made by the same company then sent off to the customers to finish except those that are billet.You have proof of other wise I would love to see it.The way i understand it is there really is only 1 lower that all other manufactures use (unless of course its billet).The logos and such are just put on when ordered.
Aero
Anderson
Mega
Oly
CMT
LMT
All machine Forged lowers.
I'm sure there are more
Probably not the same company, but maybe the same small number of companies.
See the thread over at AR15.com
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/318113_index.html
Look at the date on the thread
Yep, my mistake...
So, back in 2007, there were 4 major manufactures.
Now, there are even more.
Like is said, I just couldn't believe all lowers were made by one company.
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on April 28, 2015, 07:32:34 PM
THE KEY TO THIS HERE POINT IS THAT THEY ALL MACHINE FORGED LOWERS.I look at this as the forged lowers come in and then they machine the already forged lowers.Do they all have a foundry?I doubt it lolI am gonna say this again,The way I understand it is all AR lowers are made by the same company then sent off to the customers to finish except those that are billet.You have proof of other wise I would love to see it.The way i understand it is there really is only 1 lower that all other manufactures use (unless of course its billet).The logos and such are just put on when ordered.
Aero
Anderson
Mega
Oly
CMT
LMT
All machine Forged lowers.
I'm sure there are more
Probably not the same company, but maybe the same small number of companies.
See the thread over at AR15.com
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/318113_index.html
Look at the date on the thread
Yep, my mistake...
So, back in 2007, there were 4 major manufactures.
Now, there are even more.
Like is said, I just couldn't believe all lowers were made by one company.
I do hear what you are saying. I'm not "in the know" enough to know the answer to your idea. Maybe jay.sharkbait can chime in. I still can't buy that only one Foundry makes them all...
Post by: jay.sharkbait on April 28, 2015, 07:38:11 PM
first the grizz stuff looks awesome,Second You say you have seen them cut from start to finish cool but did they come in forged first.If you didnt see a foundry they prob. didnt have one. :twocents: ME I am retired Machinist,Engineer after my Military career .Now Foundries are very far and very few between.I am gonna say this again,The way I understand it is all AR lowers are made by the same company then sent off to the customers to finish except those that are billet.You have proof of other wise I would love to see it.The way i understand it is there really is only 1 lower that all other manufactures use (unless of course its billet).The logos and such are just put on when ordered.
Aero
Anderson
Mega
Oly
CMT
LMT
All machine Forged lowers.
I'm sure there are more
I have observed forged lowers being cut (start to finish) at Aero Precision, MEGA and OLY.
We (Grizz Precision) have been getting quotes from several FFL07 manufacturers to make our branded lowers (Billet and forged) for us on a variance.
I don't know if the forgings were Alcoa, Anchor-Harvey, CAPCO, Cardinal or any of the others.
Thanks for the compliment!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 28, 2015, 07:43:57 PM
Post by: Blacklab on April 28, 2015, 07:52:58 PM
First off want to point out I really don't know a thing about AR's. Somebody told me yesterday I should at least get a couple AR lowers while they are easy to get. So my question to you AR guru's is what brand(s) should I look for and what should I pay for them? I could see myself putting together one in a .223 and one in a 6.5 Grendel when I get to it. Thanks in advance for your help.
6.5 Grendel :drool: 223 Wylde :tup: :twocents: ;)
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on April 28, 2015, 08:01:48 PM
A foundry would only be necessary for a casting, not the forging. You can use a high temp oven for forging. Don't need to melt, just stress relief.
From Wikipedia:
Forging is a manufacturing process involving the shaping of metal using localized compressive forces.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 28, 2015, 08:07:04 PM
Yeah, the foundry will cast your specified alloy and can work it if desired. Or the next customer can do the working--hot or cold. I'd imagine that a AR mfg could hammer/press and then relieve in shop. :dunno:A foundry would only be necessary for a casting, not the forging. You can use a high temp oven for forging. Don't need to melt, just stress relief.
From Wikipedia:
Forging is a manufacturing process involving the shaping of metal using localized compressive forces.
Post by: stevemiller on April 28, 2015, 10:28:52 PM