Post by: Mongo Hunter on May 05, 2015, 11:58:42 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on May 05, 2015, 12:03:20 PM
Not to discount your opinion but Ruger is my go to hunting rifle. Trigger sux and it needed a little gun smithing once, to be fair.
Let's see if this one can stay civil :chuckle:
Post by: Woodchuck on May 05, 2015, 12:05:28 PM
TaurusNot a chance. Tag
Not to discount your opinion but Ruger is my go to hunting rifle. Trigger sux and it needed a little gun smithing once, to be fair.
Let's see if this one can stay civil :chuckle:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 05, 2015, 12:05:57 PM
Ruger Blackhawks and like sized revolvers, grip is too small and short for my hand, do not enjoy shooting them because of that.
Compact and sub-compact semi-autos of all breeds, same reason as Blackhawks.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 05, 2015, 12:06:40 PM
TaurusNot a chance. Tag
Not to discount your opinion but Ruger is my go to hunting rifle. Trigger sux and it needed a little gun smithing once, to be fair.
Let's see if this one can stay civil :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on May 05, 2015, 12:07:25 PM
Post by: Practical Approach on May 05, 2015, 12:08:03 PM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 05, 2015, 12:11:18 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on May 05, 2015, 12:11:27 PM
But I stay away from heavy recoil. :tup:
Post by: MP123 on May 05, 2015, 12:11:56 PM
And Rugers are one of my favorites. :tup:
The safety issues on the 700 have made me a little worried about Remingtons too.
I guess everyone's got an opinion though! :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 05, 2015, 12:14:53 PM
Nope I like them all.
But I stay away from heavy recoil. :tup:
:yeah: Never met a gun I didn't like. :) I did fire a flintlock that kicked like a mule, but I still liked it.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on May 05, 2015, 12:17:59 PM
Taurus
Not to discount your opinion but Ruger is my go to hunting rifle. Trigger sux and it needed a little gun smithing once, to be fair.
Let's see if this one can stay civil :chuckle:
Like I said this was just me. One was the LCP the other was a #1. both were great guns as far as shooting and I want the #1 from my grandfather inlaw :chuckle:. He also has a Ruger 7mm and P89 both are flawless. I just got the two of the litter I guess that decided to have a problem, but ruger fixed both.
P.S. still have my 10/22 as well :)
Post by: Blacklab on May 05, 2015, 12:23:08 PM
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on May 05, 2015, 12:25:47 PM
Post by: DRobnsn on May 05, 2015, 12:28:14 PM
Don't like Winchesters typical model 70 stock style either.
Also don't care much for the high price of dealing with weatherby chamberings, the benefits don't out way the cost in my opinion so I avoid them these days.
Also don't care for Berretta's, they are just ugly. :chuckle:
Post by: PolarBear on May 05, 2015, 12:29:01 PM
Post by: Dhoey07 on May 05, 2015, 12:30:28 PM
Post by: rtspring on May 05, 2015, 12:31:48 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 05, 2015, 12:48:06 PM
Post by: grundy53 on May 05, 2015, 01:03:43 PM
Post by: magnumb on May 05, 2015, 01:07:21 PM
The Walther......just never liked that .380 platform nor the weight/size ratio. Nice lookin', but just not for me after a few years of tryin' to like it.
Remingtons...........only because of their unwillingness to do the right thing in a timely and responsible manner, resulting in catastrophic accidents that needn't have ever occured.
Mossberg 12 gauge.....my first scattergun when very young. Stock started to split and even though it ran good prior to that, my youth and inexperience with firearms just put me off the brand. Whether the most reliable brand out there today or not, such incidents, whether small by comparison to other issues, left that 'not again' feeling with me.
Post by: splitshot on May 05, 2015, 01:13:25 PM
Post by: Skillet on May 05, 2015, 01:24:40 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 05, 2015, 01:27:23 PM
Post by: runamuk on May 05, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
Nope I like them all.This
But I stay away from heavy recoil. :tup:
and I started with rugers and liked all 3 I have had, rifle, pistol, revolver. My rifle did have an aftermarket trigger put in and some other minor improvements.
Post by: mburrows on May 05, 2015, 01:34:58 PM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on May 05, 2015, 01:39:09 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 05, 2015, 01:51:11 PM
Red Rider - Not enough power to kill a rabbit, only enough power to shoot your eye out.
Classic :chuckle:
Post by: thinkingman on May 05, 2015, 02:00:10 PM
Rugers (I own two) are crude and engineered for the cheapest manufacturing techniques money can buy.
Remington for the same reason(I own two Rem 22lr's, two 870's and 1 11/87).
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 05, 2015, 02:07:06 PM
I have to avoid guns that have any connection to biggerhammer, whatsoever. I can get in a lot of trouble with those.
:tup: Sometimes it just follows a guy.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 05, 2015, 02:18:27 PM
Ones that dont go bang when your animal is broadside at 50 yards....
:yeah:
Or the ones that do go "bang" and it turns out to be a two-point.....
:peep:
Post by: MP123 on May 05, 2015, 02:21:09 PM
Ones that dont go bang when your animal is broadside at 50 yards....
:yeah:
Or the ones that do go "bang" and it turns out to be a two-point.....
:peep:
I knew this thread wouldn't last long! :chuckle:
Post by: lokidog on May 05, 2015, 02:35:44 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 05, 2015, 03:21:46 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on May 05, 2015, 03:22:32 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 05, 2015, 03:25:34 PM
I avoid guns you buy from guys you have never met, at night, in the back lot of a gas station, in some random little hick town. :tup: :chuckle:
And guys named Dan-O ;)
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 05, 2015, 03:27:06 PM
I like this there are a lot of good responses! I also throw in Keltecs. I have only ever shot one and it did work just fine but I have noticed that their consistency is all over the map. Some work perfect, some work after 2 or 3 trips back to keltec/gunsmith, some never work. also have heard of gunshops that wont carry them just for that reason, again that's hearsay but it tells me that there are some defiant QC issues at Keltec. and with the VAST market of quality guns out there I see no reason to settle.
Also not a fan of KelTec after having owned one.
Post by: Bofire on May 05, 2015, 04:13:12 PM
Rugers (I own two) are crude and engineered for the cheapest manufacturing techniques money can buy.
Remington for the same reason(I own two Rem 22lr's, two 870's and 1 11/87)."
first post of Thinkingman's I have ever agreed with :chuckle:
Rugers are strong heavy and need to be finished.
I avoid Weatherby cartridges and Mark 5's, I consider both chrome plated, lied about, very well marketed, mediocre products that cost why more than they are worth.
Carl .
Post by: Jellymon on May 05, 2015, 04:39:25 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 05, 2015, 04:52:45 PM
Post by: jdb on May 05, 2015, 05:08:53 PM
Post by: CplRaines on May 05, 2015, 05:14:31 PM
Post by: JoeE on May 05, 2015, 05:26:09 PM
Post by: 2labs on May 05, 2015, 05:33:14 PM
Nuff said.
Post by: pd on May 05, 2015, 05:48:47 PM
Ones that dont go bang when your animal is broadside at 50 yards....
:yeah:
Or the ones that do go "bang" and it turns out to be a two-point.....
:yeah: When I saw the post from Mr. RT, I immediately thought of a response. Sniper beat me to it. :tung:
:peep:
I knew this thread wouldn't last long! :chuckle:
Post by: SGTDuffman on May 05, 2015, 06:46:45 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 05, 2015, 06:57:01 PM
Post by: Miles on May 05, 2015, 07:11:29 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 05, 2015, 07:34:05 PM
I try to stay away from finger guns. Just to unreliable. :chuckle: Oh, and Clocks. Ugliest gun ever made.
Clock guns are very ugly. Always ticking on when to go off..... :tup:
Post by: jdb on May 05, 2015, 07:35:31 PM
Ruger and S&W because of ideological differences. I believe people should be able to own guns, they don't, so we don't get along. Troy Industries HS Precision are also on the sh** list. There is a flip side to that too though, there are companies I'm a huge supporter of for the exact opposite reasons. Barrett, STI, and Magpul all come to mind.please explain their ideological differences
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 05, 2015, 07:41:39 PM
Ruger (the founder) didn't believe in civilians having magazines greater than 10 rounds.Ruger and S&W because of ideological differences. I believe people should be able to own guns, they don't, so we don't get along. Troy Industries HS Precision are also on the sh** list. There is a flip side to that too though, there are companies I'm a huge supporter of for the exact opposite reasons. Barrett, STI, and Magpul all come to mind.please explain their ideological differences
Post by: HawkCreek on May 05, 2015, 07:43:23 PM
Ruger and S&W because of ideological differences. I believe people should be able to own guns, they don't, so we don't get along. Troy Industries HS Precision are also on the sh** list. There is a flip side to that too though, there are companies I'm a huge supporter of for the exact opposite reasons. Barrett, STI, and Magpul all come to mind.please explain their ideological differences
I believe he's referring to Bill Ruger's support of the Clinton era AWB/reluctance to make available "high capacity" magazines for the Mini14 and S&W's decision to put locks on their revolvers.
Post by: magnumb on May 05, 2015, 07:58:06 PM
Ruger and S&W because of ideological differences. I believe people should be able to own guns, they don't, so we don't get along. Troy Industries HS Precision are also on the sh** list. There is a flip side to that too though, there are companies I'm a huge supporter of for the exact opposite reasons. Barrett, STI, and Magpul all come to mind.please explain their ideological differences
I believe he's referring to Bill Ruger's support of the Clinton era AWB/reluctance to make available "high capacity" magazines for the Mini14 and S&W's decision to put locks on their revolvers.
I would also have to assume exactly that....... :yeah:.
Worst decisions, I believe, that either has ever made. Both were trying to be so PC that it bit them both in the butt.
S&W actually set aside some 30k J frames (and perhaps others) that were without locks in thinking that they were getting ahead of the game or would find favor somewhere. Being a S&W forum member for many years including during S&W's unexpected actions, there was certainly much dissention involving their decision.
When the price of metals went through the roof, S&W had second thoughts (obviously purely financial) and put those laid aside frames back on the line for processing. True to my word to myself, I didn't buy another S&W until they got rid of their IL (internal locks)........unfortunately, I had to wait years.
I then bought five 642's and after replacing springs and removing as much of the 'stacking' issues as possible, I handed them to family members thinking that S&W could waffle again tomorrow or sometime in the future or that Federal law would mandate such changes (because of how easy it was the get Ruger and S&W on board initially) and I didn't want me or mine not to have that choice going forward.
I could never understand, much less totally forgive, either company for caving so easily.
Post by: coachcw on May 05, 2015, 08:08:06 PM
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on May 05, 2015, 08:34:27 PM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on May 05, 2015, 09:19:02 PM
Post by: Dan-o on May 05, 2015, 09:23:08 PM
I avoid guns you buy from guys you have never met, at night, in the back lot of a gas station, in some random little hick town. :tup: :chuckle:
And guys named Dan-O ;)
Ouch...... There's some truth to it, but......... ouch....... :hello:
Post by: RadSav on May 05, 2015, 10:15:54 PM
Turn about is fair play, isn't it? :dunno: ;)
Post by: lazydrifter on May 06, 2015, 04:13:36 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on May 06, 2015, 06:06:44 AM
The great part of this is that Dan-O was not the target of that little "inside joke". :chuckle: Seems that is a little more common practice than some might imagine. :oI avoid guns you buy from guys you have never met, at night, in the back lot of a gas station, in some random little hick town. :tup: :chuckle:
And guys named Dan-O ;)
Post by: Da stump on May 06, 2015, 06:20:22 AM
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Post by: follow maggie on May 06, 2015, 06:43:10 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 06, 2015, 07:07:33 AM
I am not a big fan of any Remington's besides the 870. Also not a big tikka fan I know lots of guys love em but if I want a cheap, light, accurate rifle I'll stick with my savage axis.
I bought a model 700 classic in the early 70s in .30-06 and the gun has performed well every time out. I love that gun. I also have a 12 gauge 1187 that's been a good gun, but the recoil track inside the action has become razor sharp over the years and if I'm not careful when I clean it, I get cut. I had a problem with the ejector arms but replaced those and it works flawlessly. I upgraded the barrel to a 28" and it's a goose killin' machine.
Post by: Jonathan_S on May 06, 2015, 07:35:41 AM
Post by: netcoyote on May 06, 2015, 08:31:49 AM
Post by: timberfaller on May 06, 2015, 09:06:41 AM
I haven't purchased a NEW firearm in years, IF you catch my drift! :chuckle:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 06, 2015, 09:11:30 AM
Quality First , having been at it since I was 14,almost 60 now. I know what to look for and stay away from! :tup:I do (think so anyways). And I think you can still get good quality stuff but it is a different 'grade' and you pay a lot more, whereas the old stuff it was standard.
I haven't purchased a NEW firearm in years, IF you catch my drift! :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 06, 2015, 09:14:01 AM
Just could never warm up to the whole AR thing. Looked at 100's of 'em, but just could never get myself to open a wallet for one. Got many brands of revolvers, semi's, rifles and shotguns...just no room in the safe for an AR and have no intention of making room. Don't mind that others like them and I have shot a few...it's just one of those things.
I always felt the same about ARs until I built one to look the way I wanted it this year. It took about 5 months and a lot of help from biggerhammer. In addition, I'm able to have another upper built in a different caliber so that I can shoot different calibers, which is awesome. The 6.5mm I have now is about a buck a pull, but it's good for all big game. I intend to do something like the 5.56mm so I won't have to spend so much money shooting it. All I'll need to do is switch out the scope and bi-pod and I'm all set with another caliber. I don't see buying another conventional firearm anytime in the near future. I'm hooked.
Post by: h20hunter on May 06, 2015, 09:16:00 AM
Post by: PolarBear on May 06, 2015, 09:23:13 AM
I've never been a fan of AK47's (or 74's). I know they have a reputation of being reliable, but I just think they are ugly, and there's the whole anti-American aspect of them...:yeah:
The older ones (and possibly still do) had a half dozen parts that you could reassemble backwards. Also do not like Glocks. I would take a shot out Sig over a Glock any day.
Post by: MP123 on May 06, 2015, 11:47:49 AM
I've never been a fan of AK47's (or 74's). I know they have a reputation of being reliable, but I just think they are ugly, and there's the whole anti-American aspect of them...
Same here. Every time I see an AK I can't help thinking of Russians, Chi-Coms, Vietcong, Hamas, African Warlords, ISIS, and so on. Pretty much the weapon of choice for our enemies for the last 50 years or so.
Post by: huntnphool on May 06, 2015, 11:52:07 AM
Not to discount your opinion but Ruger is my go to hunting rifle. Trigger sux to be fair.
+1, my go to rifle.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on May 06, 2015, 03:18:09 PM
Post by: andy* on May 06, 2015, 03:29:04 PM
Anything that is black, plastic, tactical or in the latest fad cartridge I avoid.
Nothing wrong with anyone liking or owning those above choices, just not for me...
Andy
Post by: BigGoonTuna on May 06, 2015, 03:55:44 PM
i'm just not much of an AR guy. don't get all the "america's rifle" propaganda. i think they're unwieldy and not really practical for me.
bill ruger is long gone. he was no champion of gun rights, but his company did produce some beautiful rifles(i'd love to have a #1 with nice wood).
Post by: Spawnstar on May 06, 2015, 07:55:45 PM
Classic Winchesters, especially the lever guns....horrible. I have a good disposal system, so save yourselves the headaches and send them my way.Ill actually pay you for the Classic winchesters save you guys the trouble. Especially first models. Lol
Post by: SGTDuffman on May 07, 2015, 06:58:56 PM
Ruger and S&W because of ideological differences. I believe people should be able to own guns, they don't, so we don't get along. Troy Industries HS Precision are also on the sh** list. There is a flip side to that too though, there are companies I'm a huge supporter of for the exact opposite reasons. Barrett, STI, and Magpul all come to mind.please explain their ideological differences
As others have said, the ideological differences with Ruger stem from Bill Ruger's ideas and support for gun control. He wrote an open letter to Congress giving them many of the ideas they now use to ban weapons, or lacking that, effectively make them useless/less useful, like reduced magazine capacities. Part of his reasoning for doing so, was that he thought it would put his competition out of business, while allowing his (at the time) 10 & 15rd firearms to continue selling. He laid much of the groundwork that is now used to ban weapons, including many of the definitions for "assault weapons". He didn't intend for civilians to own high capacity magazines, folding stocks, and endorsed waiting periods. He famously said, "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun." I guess he thought police and the military don't contain any honest men. Everyone likes to point out the fact that Bill Ruger is dead now, or that Ruger gave a million dollars to the NRA a couple years ago. What they fail to mention, or just don't understand is that Ruger based those donations on sales. They sold 400,000 guns, to donate the $1.2 million ($3/gun). To put that in perspective, Taurus at the time, was giving an NRA membership ($35) with each purchase, and they are a far smaller company sales wise, and aren't even an American company. If I were an American manufacturer, serious about supporting the American constitution, and making a show of it, like they were doing, you can damn sure bet I wouldn't be upstaged at my own game by a Brazilian company. Then again, I'm not Ruger, and I care about more than just money, I care about people's right to bear arms.
Smith and Wesson is a lot of the same. They had locks in them, supported limiting sales and distribution, turned on their dealers, made deals with the Clinton administration, and just in general makes it a rule to steal the intellectual property of others. Their entire system of revolving cylinder was stolen from Colt, they just made the cylinder rotate in the opposite direction, their L frame revolvers are a Colt Python knock off (because their K frame design was unsafe), their .38 Chiefs Specials is a .38 Colt Detectives Special knockoff (with an unsafe J frame built for a .32, so they removed a round and told you not to shoot and high speed .38), their Sigma pistols got them sued by Glock, the list goes on and on. They've been ripping off Colt designs for 150 years. They also charge exorbitant custom or semi custom prices for mass produced guns, much of which isn't even produced by them. Their 1911's come to mind (another stolen Colt design made almost entirely from aftermarket parts). Their entire M&P (Military and Police) line of guns was solely intended for sales to Military and Police, hence the name. More recently they've expanded the line (once upon a time it was just different models of revolvers) and started selling it to anyone willing to give them money, but the M&P line of S&W has been around for generations. When I say M&P, I'm not talking about the actual model they called M&P that's out now. That is a direct descendant of the Sigma pistol that got them sued by Glock, if you own one, you can guess why, if not take a look at the trigger next time you're around one. The last few years the M&P pistols have been falling out of favor or have been outright banned by many agencies that adopted them for safety/reliability issues. NC, NM, and TX have all ditched them last I checked.
I want to like both companies because they're huge and would be awesome allies with gun owners, but as far as I'm concerned they haven't changed their ways. I e-mailed both after Newtown happened and there was lots of talk about gun control, and asked them if they were going to stand with gun owners this time, or what they were doing to counter any of the legislation being submitted. I never got a response from either.
I keep a list of who's been naughty and nice, and vote with my wallet. After Newtown, both lists grew A LOT.
Post by: Smokepole on May 07, 2015, 08:07:09 PM
Don't much like military style guns. I like wheel guns, bolt actions, double barrel shotguns. Love Ruger single action revolvers!
I sold guns for years, and the worst quality gun I've ever seen was the NEF 12 gauge single shot. Pretty iffy. Felt bad selling it for $89 bucks to a high school kid. :chuckle:
Post by: yorketransport on May 07, 2015, 08:40:05 PM
Andrew
Post by: KFhunter on May 07, 2015, 08:50:17 PM
new Remington
Post by: magnumb on May 07, 2015, 08:56:06 PM
It was hard to believe that 'ole Bill was really doing and saying such things and until it became crystal clear that he was responsible for those comments and actions, I chose not to believe it. It is clear that for some, when only competition and profit motivates you, strange things happen and character flaws surface.
It is now in the past, but not really. If it were, we wouldn't give it a second thought these days, but history has obviously shown us that 'standing and banding together' means different things to different people......and companies.
Post by: nwwanderer on May 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AM
Post by: poopooheaddad on May 08, 2015, 08:35:36 AM
Post by: thinkingman on May 08, 2015, 09:15:07 AM
My 1187 does run well but I don't shoot it nearly as well as my Brownings.I am not a big fan of any Remington's besides the 870. Also not a big tikka fan I know lots of guys love em but if I want a cheap, light, accurate rifle I'll stick with my savage axis.
I bought a model 700 classic in the early 70s in .30-06 and the gun has performed well every time out. I love that gun. I also have a 12 gauge 1187 that's been a good gun, but the recoil track inside the action has become razor sharp over the years and if I'm not careful when I clean it, I get cut. I had a problem with the ejector arms but replaced those and it works flawlessly. I upgraded the barrel to a 28" and it's a goose killin' machine.
I did find out about the razor blade inside the action one night before a hunt.
That thing cuts right through a shop rag and about 3/8" of a fingertip!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 08, 2015, 09:27:37 AM
LamaI think the factory must have transposed an order number or something when it came to springs. Trying to think if any lamas have fired reliably without a spring swap. Not the gun design since most are 1911 copies.
Post by: skeeter 20i on May 08, 2015, 09:29:01 AM