Post by: muleracks on May 17, 2015, 01:42:11 PM
The closure includes most of the roads between Swakane Canyon and Entiat to the north and Roaring Creek to the Columbia River. Here is a map of the closed area: http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3823831.pdf
Post by: boneaddict on May 17, 2015, 01:44:08 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on May 17, 2015, 01:48:07 PM
Post by: muleracks on May 17, 2015, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on May 17, 2015, 04:24:56 PM
Might slow down some tribal slaughter. I'd love to put a couple other gates in, better yet, gates use keys, Tank traps work
:yeah:Should limit the non native poachers as well :tup:
Post by: Harbor_hunter on May 17, 2015, 04:25:02 PM
Post by: mfswallace on May 17, 2015, 05:08:54 PM
Might slow down some tribal slaughter. I'd love to put a couple other gates in, better yet, gates use keys, Tank traps work
:yeah:Should limit the non native poachers as well :tup:
Are you saying the natives that slaughter on the wintering grounds are Poachers :dunno:
Post by: bigmacc on May 17, 2015, 05:17:13 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on May 17, 2015, 05:28:16 PM
My post was referring to the white men who poach. Should also stop the majority of them from going up there.Might slow down some tribal slaughter. I'd love to put a couple other gates in, better yet, gates use keys, Tank traps work
:yeah:Should limit the non native poachers as well :tup:
Are you saying the natives that slaughter on the wintering grounds are Poachers :dunno:
Post by: jstone on May 17, 2015, 05:32:46 PM
Post by: jrebel on May 17, 2015, 05:45:26 PM
Post by: bugs n bones on May 17, 2015, 06:02:20 PM
Not sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:
Post by: gasman on May 17, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
:yeah: :yeah:Not sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:
X3 :yeah:
Post by: kodiak 907 on May 17, 2015, 06:07:10 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on May 17, 2015, 06:10:09 PM
Not sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:
Being fat and out of shape shouldn't be an excuse to want the roads open. There are people who are overweight due to medical conditions, but it isn't an excuse for the other fat people. you shouldn't need roads to hunt :twocents:
If fat people want to hunt that area, they should get in shape.
Post by: jrebel on May 17, 2015, 06:21:57 PM
jNot sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:
Being fat and out of shape shouldn't be an excuse to want the roads open. There are people who are overweight due to medical conditions, but it isn't an excuse for the other fat people. you shouldn't need roads to hunt :twocents:
If fat people want to hunt that area, they should get in shape.
So you are saying it is a fit persons sport? I don't agree....and for the record If we continually give up land to gates, before you know it, it will all be gated. One of these days you will be old and have limitations...does that mean you should not hunt at that point. It is a shame that young hunters have this mind set. :bash:
Post by: Igottanewknee on May 17, 2015, 06:35:57 PM
Not sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:
Being fat and out of shape shouldn't be an excuse to want the roads open. There are people who are overweight due to medical conditions, but it isn't an excuse for the other fat people. you shouldn't need roads to hunt :twocents:
If fat people want to hunt that area, they should get in shape.
So me with both knees replaced, 3 back surgeries ( I used to do iron work), should just toughen up? There is only so far I can walk, especially up those roads. I'm 58 and work full time climbing up and down stairs doing maintenance. I hope you stay in shape when you get older... And try not to get hurt.....
Post by: RadSav on May 17, 2015, 07:01:17 PM
So me with both knees replaced, 3 back surgeries ( I used to do iron work), should just toughen up? There is only so far I can walk, especially up those roads. I'm 58 and work full time climbing up and down stairs doing maintenance. I hope you stay in shape when you get older... And try not to get hurt.....
I guess you have served your usefulness to society. You've had a lifetime of opportunities. Time to pack it up and wait for the reaper on the couch like all the other worthless broken old folks. No room in Washington for guys like you...and me >:( >:(
Ahhh, if only we were as smart and superior as the youth of today! :bash: :bash:
Sorry, I couldn't find the sarcasm font for this post.
Post by: YoterHunter on May 17, 2015, 07:01:46 PM
Post by: grundy53 on May 17, 2015, 07:22:53 PM
Not sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:Couldn't agree more! Every single citizen pays taxes for that land. And every single hunter pays for a license and tag. Some aren't more deserving than others just because they are young and in shape. If you don't like roads you have the option to get off of them.
Post by: RadSav on May 17, 2015, 07:41:39 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 17, 2015, 07:55:05 PM
:yeah:So me with both knees replaced, 3 back surgeries ( I used to do iron work), should just toughen up? There is only so far I can walk, especially up those roads. I'm 58 and work full time climbing up and down stairs doing maintenance. I hope you stay in shape when you get older... And try not to get hurt.....
I guess you have served your usefulness to society. You've had a lifetime of opportunities. Time to pack it up and wait for the reaper on the couch like all the other worthless broken old folks. No room in Washington for guys like you...and me >:( >:(
Ahhh, if only we were as smart and superior as the youth of today! :bash: :bash:
Sorry, I couldn't find the sarcasm font for this post.
:yeah:Not sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:Couldn't agree more! Every single citizen pays taxes for that land. And every single hunter pays for a license and tag. Some aren't more deserving than others just because they are young and in shape. If you don't like roads you have the option to get off of them.
Elitists like them fit in well in Seattle.
Post by: GurrCentral on May 17, 2015, 08:10:31 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on May 17, 2015, 08:44:03 PM
As a note, the road out of Swakane Canyon has been closed for at least 4 years and is not a reflection of this latest nuisance.
Post by: skeeter 20i on May 17, 2015, 08:49:18 PM
:nono: "Shouldn't shoot that far"
:nono: "Shouldn't use roads"
:nono: "Shouldn't be out of shape"
:nono: "Shouldn't apply to units you havent previously scouted"
etc. etc.
I think it's great that there are so many people so well versed in what other people should and shouldn't do. :DOH:
Post by: logger on May 17, 2015, 08:56:39 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 17, 2015, 09:00:06 PM
Post by: grundy53 on May 17, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
the forest service just loves to close roads that way they don't have to manage crap, which they are not good at anyway. for me its not a hunting issue but a public land issue, whether your hunting or just taking the family on a road trip you should be able to, you pay for it!
Good point.
Post by: timberfaller on May 17, 2015, 09:07:58 PM
YOU'VE ignore the FACT that the ONLY reason for installing gates is, wait for it, CONTROL!!
NO more NO less.
Like many others who worked at real jobs their entire work life, I have two warn out hip joints, one knee operated on twice and one ankle worked over three times and one shoulder that L&I refused to allowed to be repaired.
I STILL HUNT but not like I use to, but you clowns have no clue about SPORT or Sportsmanship! :bash: :yike: :nono: :mor:
FYI for YOU "elitist" Check out WHO makes up the USFS "employee union" it will :yike: you! maybe
Post by: MLBowhunting on May 17, 2015, 09:29:56 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 17, 2015, 09:47:48 PM
The bigger issue is this ranger is closing down huge chunks of public land without a good reason. As has been stated in the past once these fires were done the area was re-opened. Same with farther up the entiat road. I'm personally sick of her shutting down access to these areas without solid reasoning.
This is the issue at hand. 1 ranger blocking folks out of large chunks of public land.
Nothing else.
Post by: mfswallace on May 17, 2015, 10:57:31 PM
The bigger issue is this ranger is closing down huge chunks of public land without a good reason. As has been stated in the past once these fires were done the area was re-opened. Same with farther up the entiat road. I'm personally sick of her shutting down access to these areas without solid reasoning.
New wolf pack in the area they are trying to protect :chuckle:
Post by: GoPlayOutside on May 17, 2015, 11:23:16 PM
-but then the jeepers will whine....and I'm sure there's more whiners out there.
Post by: shootem on May 18, 2015, 03:50:36 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 18, 2015, 04:55:25 AM
But, this is the third day in a row where a post has been written that assumes all of us with some sort of physical restriction are just lazy and it has been a life choice. And that somehow we are less deserving of opportunity because we have, in some way, become obsolete by our own lack of dedication. As if we should be required to pass certain physical fitness exams before allowed to purchase our hunting license. Many of us, before our accidents and health issues, would have taken these arrogant young whipper snappers out behind the barn and given them a good arse whoopin! Just because we can no longer do such a thing doesn't mean we don't still want to ;)
We admit you guys are younger and in better shape. I myself admire many of these younger hunters dedication and preparation. You should be rewarded with some places to hunt that us old farts can not reach. But please, have a little respect for your elders and those with issues you do not understand. If you start thinking about the wants and desires of others instead of just concentrating on yourself you might start enjoying life a little more. And, you just might learn something along the way.
My apologies to the OP for taking this thread off track. I've just been getting tired of all the elitist behavior and lack of respect lately. And after the past few days I've just hit a boiling point and this seemed as good a place to vent as any. :sry:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 18, 2015, 05:15:30 AM
All I can say is WOW!! What a bunch of Elitist some hunters have become!!
YOU'VE ignore the FACT that the ONLY reason for installing gates is, wait for it, CONTROL!!
NO more NO less.
Like many others who worked at real jobs their entire work life, I have two warn out hip joints, one knee operated on twice and one ankle worked over three times and one shoulder that L&I refused to allowed to be repaired.
I STILL HUNT but not like I use to, but you clowns have no clue about SPORT or Sportsmanship! :bash: :yike: :nono: :mor:
FYI for YOU "elitist" Check out WHO makes up the USFS "employee union" it will :yike: you! maybe
So if I don't break my back and get the long end from l and I, I'm not really working? I love how manual labor folks just think that's the only way on earth to get paid. And anyone who doesn't burn 6000 calories per day is not really working.
Post by: antlerking on May 18, 2015, 05:19:16 AM
Post by: boneaddict on May 18, 2015, 07:33:46 AM
All you folks that think it's great. Wait till you have a life changing situation were you can't get out and spend all day running up and down the hills. It happens to me 2 1/2 years ago I was one of those . I put more miles in the woods then a lot of you So now that I can't run the hills like I use to. So now I shouldn't be hunting these units. Gates are for private property and timber company's not Natinal forestIt's currently the only legal option to stop the tribal slaughter. Deal with what they do either by treaty adjustment, or make the sale of antlers or meat illegal....
I agree. I don't like seeing my father limited from public land and I am smart enough to know I will be soon, probably from some of my normal knee destroying activities.
In the meantime.....
Post by: muleracks2 on May 18, 2015, 07:56:56 AM
Closing roads in the lower valley has some benefits for the mule deer. Hunters will just need to be fit enough to climb up or hike down, bone out the harvest and do some backpacking. Road hunters can still drive the Wenatchee side and a couple roads out of Ardenvoir, at the west end of the Swakane Unit
Post by: timberfaller on May 18, 2015, 08:52:07 AM
Opps, must have hit a nerve! :sry:
Being a old geezer, :twocents: in life, there are jobs and Then there are jobs you can train anyone to preform, even a monkey! :chuckle:
People want to thank Police for their safety, Firemen for saving their house, Doctors for saving their life. To bad People don't thank those who supplied their toilet paper and lumber for their house. Just think of your life without TP :yike: :tup:
Post by: huntnphool on May 18, 2015, 09:19:13 AM
Not such a good deal for the Bighorn sheep draw winner or those with permits.
Turns it into a tough hunt? :tup:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 18, 2015, 11:48:29 AM
Not sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:I'm fat, with six stents and unstable angina that really limits my ability to hit the back country.
I am in favor of more areas in Chelan County with less open roads. When all the roads are open, the pressure pushes the game from more accessible areas, into terrain which I cannot access. I would far rather hunt on foot in "roadable" areas with closed and gated or tank-trapped roads, than to have to tackle steep, mountainous remote conditions.
A closed road is the best possible access for hunters with young children, and older or disabled hunters who are still capable of limited walking.
Open roads only benefit the truly disabled (nonambulatory) hunter, and unfortunately those are also crowded with road hunters - people who can walk, but prefer to drive roads. I don't dislike roadhunters - if not for them, my reasonably accessible, 1-2 mile walk-in areas would be far more crowded. If I had my way, except for the main traveled connectors, all the spur roads would be closed to increase opportunity for more hunters with limited mobility.
Post by: RadSav on May 18, 2015, 11:58:48 AM
Not such a good deal for the Bighorn sheep draw winner or those with permits.Turns it into a tough hunt? :tup:
I will gladly die trying if drawn for the Swakane sheep tag! Might take me a couple days to get in and a couple days to get out. But I'm sure I can get MLBowhunting to get the sheep to the taxi for safe keeping until I finally crawl out of there. And if I die trying - so be it. Better to die on the mountain hunting than in a hospital bed with a tube down my throat. ;)
Post by: huntnphool on May 18, 2015, 03:03:32 PM
Not sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:I'm fat, with six stents and unstable angina that really limits my ability to hit the back country.
I am in favor of more areas in Chelan County with less open roads. When all the roads are open, the pressure pushes the game from more accessible areas, into terrain which I cannot access. I would far rather hunt on foot in "roadable" areas with closed and gated or tank-trapped roads, than to have to tackle steep, mountainous remote conditions.
A closed road is the best possible access for hunters with young children, and older or disabled hunters who are still capable of limited walking.
Open roads only benefit the truly disabled (nonambulatory) hunter, and unfortunately those are also crowded with road hunters - people who can walk, but prefer to drive roads. I don't dislike roadhunters - if not for them, my reasonably accessible, 1-2 mile walk-in areas would be far more crowded. If I had my way, except for the main traveled connectors, all the spur roads would be closed to increase opportunity for more hunters with limited mobility.
+1 :tup:
Post by: vandeman17 on May 18, 2015, 03:06:38 PM
Post by: gasman on May 18, 2015, 04:03:01 PM
Not to derail the thread but if anybody does draw a permit in Swakane or something deep in Entiat and needs help getting something out that is way back in there, feel free to let me know. Heck, even if it is a general season deer, I am 30-60 minutes away depending on road conditions and will happily throw on my pack frame and come help pack out.
I got you on speed dial just for that occasion...... lol
Post by: vandeman17 on May 18, 2015, 04:32:18 PM
Not to derail the thread but if anybody does draw a permit in Swakane or something deep in Entiat and needs help getting something out that is way back in there, feel free to let me know. Heck, even if it is a general season deer, I am 30-60 minutes away depending on road conditions and will happily throw on my pack frame and come help pack out.
I got you on speed dial just for that occasion...... lol
I am always ready!
Post by: GoPlayOutside on May 18, 2015, 04:53:51 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 18, 2015, 05:43:12 PM
Am I wrong?...I think if I draw the Swakane Sheep Tag, I will shoot it, and watch it roll off the hill onto the highway? :tup:
Um yeah, I can assure you this was no where near the highway. :chuckle:
Post by: bigmacc on May 18, 2015, 06:07:32 PM
Not sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:I'm fat, with six stents and unstable angina that really limits my ability to hit the back country.
I am in favor of more areas in Chelan County with less open roads. When all the roads are open, the pressure pushes the game from more accessible areas, into terrain which I cannot access. I would far rather hunt on foot in "roadable" areas with closed and gated or tank-trapped roads, than to have to tackle steep, mountainous remote conditions.
A closed road is the best possible access for hunters with young children, and older or disabled hunters who are still capable of limited walking.
Open roads only benefit the truly disabled (nonambulatory) hunter, and unfortunately those are also crowded with road hunters - people who can walk, but prefer to drive roads. I don't dislike roadhunters - if not for them, my reasonably accessible, 1-2 mile walk-in areas would be far more crowded. If I had my way, except for the main traveled connectors, all the spur roads would be closed to increase opportunity for more hunters with limited mobility.
I couldn't agree more with DOUBLELUNGs post. Yes some roads need to be and stay open but lots can be gated allowing foot traffic only.It helps protect the herds a little and can offer some quality hunting in the future.They did it in the Methow years ago and it has helped the slaughters of old during migrations. Able bodied folks shooting big migrators from there lawn chairs while camped smack dab in the middle of migration routes in big trailors and motorhomes :bash:.Alot of those gates were put up with the input of my dad who is 80 now,a retired iron worker with multiple health issues and a body that is broke down due to 45 years of walking iron,he still hops those gates,doesnt go as far as he used to :chuckle:,but 100 yards past the gate or 10miles, doesn't matter to him. In his mind it helped the quality of hunting.
Post by: UBA on May 18, 2015, 07:44:54 PM
WOW HOLLY crap it looks like I have a 6 mile hike in to get my salt blocks out!!! Ouch I guess there will be a lot of bucks in there with the lack of pressure. That is unreal to close the roads, ecpecially al the way to Dinkleman.
don't get caught, its also closed to foot traffic. threatening everyone if a huge fine.
Post by: grundy53 on May 18, 2015, 07:45:16 PM
Pretty sure closing the season prior to the rut and migration had a lot more to do with ending the slaughter.Not sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:I'm fat, with six stents and unstable angina that really limits my ability to hit the back country.
I am in favor of more areas in Chelan County with less open roads. When all the roads are open, the pressure pushes the game from more accessible areas, into terrain which I cannot access. I would far rather hunt on foot in "roadable" areas with closed and gated or tank-trapped roads, than to have to tackle steep, mountainous remote conditions.
A closed road is the best possible access for hunters with young children, and older or disabled hunters who are still capable of limited walking.
Open roads only benefit the truly disabled (nonambulatory) hunter, and unfortunately those are also crowded with road hunters - people who can walk, but prefer to drive roads. I don't dislike roadhunters - if not for them, my reasonably accessible, 1-2 mile walk-in areas would be far more crowded. If I had my way, except for the main traveled connectors, all the spur roads would be closed to increase opportunity for more hunters with limited mobility.
I couldn't agree more with DOUBLELUNGs post. Yes some roads need to be and stay open but lots can be gated allowing foot traffic only.It helps protect the herds a little and can offer some quality hunting in the future.They did it in the Methow years ago and it has helped the slaughters of old during migrations. Able bodied folks shooting big migrators from there lawn chairs while camped smack dab in the middle of migration routes in big trailors and motorhomes :bash:.Alot of those gates were put up with the input of my dad who is 80 now,a retired iron worker with multiple health issues and a body that is broke down due to 45 years of walking iron,he still hops those gates,doesnt go as far as he used to :chuckle:,but 100 yards past the gate or 10miles, doesn't matter to him. In his mind it helped the quality of hunting.
Post by: bigmacc on May 18, 2015, 08:23:51 PM
Pretty sure closing the season prior to the rut and migration had a lot more to do with ending the slaughter.Not sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:I'm fat, with six stents and unstable angina that really limits my ability to hit the back country.
I am in favor of more areas in Chelan County with less open roads. When all the roads are open, the pressure pushes the game from more accessible areas, into terrain which I cannot access. I would far rather hunt on foot in "roadable" areas with closed and gated or tank-trapped roads, than to have to tackle steep, mountainous remote conditions.
A closed road is the best possible access for hunters with young children, and older or disabled hunters who are still capable of limited walking.
Open roads only benefit the truly disabled (nonambulatory) hunter, and unfortunately those are also crowded with road hunters - people who can walk, but prefer to drive roads. I don't dislike roadhunters - if not for them, my reasonably accessible, 1-2 mile walk-in areas would be far more crowded. If I had my way, except for the main traveled connectors, all the spur roads would be closed to increase opportunity for more hunters with limited mobility.
I couldn't agree more with DOUBLELUNGs post. Yes some roads need to be and stay open but lots can be gated allowing foot traffic only.It helps protect the herds a little and can offer some quality hunting in the future.They did it in the Methow years ago and it has helped the slaughters of old during migrations. Able bodied folks shooting big migrators from there lawn chairs while camped smack dab in the middle of migration routes in big trailors and motorhomes :bash:.Alot of those gates were put up with the input of my dad who is 80 now,a retired iron worker with multiple health issues and a body that is broke down due to 45 years of walking iron,he still hops those gates,doesnt go as far as he used to :chuckle:,but 100 yards past the gate or 10miles, doesn't matter to him. In his mind it helped the quality of hunting.
That's true,the season structure has made a difference but there have been a few early migrations or partial migrations that were triggered early that could of resulted in "slaughters" if those gates wernt in place and going up those roads resembled K.O.A campgrounds rather than logging roads.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on May 18, 2015, 08:43:44 PM
Well the incident with the jeep in the Entiat doesn't help our cause. These gates are gonna help the herd and habitat.
:yeah:
Post by: ALLTERRAIN on May 30, 2015, 10:17:17 PM
Post by: muleracks on May 30, 2015, 10:38:30 PM
The upper Entiat is still blocked 7 miles below the trailhead. No ATV, bicycles or foot traffic past the gate.
Big issue is the Ranger's published newsrelease: "There's no way to get people out of there safely if more fires occur." referring to the fact that the Entiat River Road has no alternate road out. If that is the new Forest Service criteria, we are in big trouble. Most trailheads have no other way out. Very bad precedent to set and worth fighting (we don't want them closing trailhead because there is no alternate "egress".
Post by: bigtex on May 30, 2015, 11:08:49 PM
If the area is being closed by the local ranger without due process and without the "blessing" of the regional ranger than it is illegal to do so. This has been done in other area's and the court's have sided w/the user's. The NEPA process was created for a reason to be used to open AND close area's for ALL user's. There should be a "rcw" type of number attached to all sign's indicating the road(s) is closed to be consider'd legal. For some of the people that can no longer hike in and hunt 5+ miles a day, Don't worry, these other's that can will someday be in the same position. http://hunting-washington.com/smf/Smileys/default/chuckle.gifIt's federal, it doesn't need an RCW. If anything it'll show a CFR reference, but even a simple "road closed" is good enough legally.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on May 31, 2015, 12:25:17 AM
you've never been fat :dunno: :chuckle:Not sure I agree with all you "pro gate hunters"..... What about the kid, guy, or gal that cannot hike like they use to. What about the disabled hunter or overweight hunter?? Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:
Being fat and out of shape shouldn't be an excuse to want the roads open. There are people who are overweight due to medical conditions, but it isn't an excuse for the other fat people. you shouldn't need roads to hunt :twocents:
If fat people want to hunt that area, they should get in shape.
Post by: winshooter88 on May 31, 2015, 03:20:46 AM
Post by: Jingles on May 31, 2015, 11:16:48 AM
Since when did hunting turn into a young fit persons sport? If they want gates so they can lock up winter grounds following hunting season...I am all for it. I am not for shutting down and restricting public grounds any more than they already have. :twocents:
Don't think any one is say it is a fit man's sport but being unfit and out of shape in not an excuse to get special privileges either anymore than being of a particular ethnic, or racial background deserves any special hunting or fishing privileges. It is about time that ALL people took the words of the pledge of Allegiance to heart ONE NATION , black white yello, brown and red
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 31, 2015, 11:27:44 AM
:bash: Entiat's District Ranger, Janet Flanagan, has closed a good sized chunk of the Swakane unit to vehicles. Six gates and two berms have been installed and the area's roads will be closed this season and no opening time has been given. It "takes years for the burned area to recover". This area burns frequently and is always reopened as soon as the fire goes out. The world record big horn sheep was taken in 2010 soon after this area burn; the ram has fire retardant on its back.
The closure includes most of the roads between Swakane Canyon and Entiat to the north and Roaring Creek to the Columbia River. Here is a map of the closed area: http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3823831.pdf
HAHA! That's not fire retardant. It's blood caused from two solid hits from a 300 WSM and yard sale of a roll down a steep canyon side. I KNOW!😉 and as much as it pains me to say, both bullets were launched from a Tikka. So much for friends don't let friends drive Tikka's.😕
Post by: Rainier10 on June 04, 2015, 11:01:30 AM
I saw these gates in place last year and they were open the week before the late archery season and closed when the season opened. The signs said temporary closure but the was nothing temporary about those gates.
I agree with many on here gates are just away of taking more away. It does free up maintenance money to use on open roads but I hate to see areas closed. Most of the traffic on those roads just push the animals into steep and deep areas that most won't go hunting in anyways. At least that is what I have noticed.
Those that can hike will still get to where they need to be but I hate the attitude of "you have to earn it." That is just one step closer to it not just being a young and fit persons sport to a "he who has the most money" sport. And the common guy gets the shaft. The more stuff that they take away that doesn't affect you just lowers the number of people doing that activity and then you have nobody to stand and fight with you when they want to take away your access. Once they get it narrowed down to just a few late season permit holders hunting the area they can just close it completely down to everyone.
Those roads are bad but they are not a ton worse because of the fires and by closing those roads they are not making egress better they are taking more options away for getting people out if in danger.
Just my :twocents: