Post by: muleracks on May 17, 2015, 01:55:33 PM
That part of the Clark unit (GMU 244) has no access because the road and the first 5 miles up valley from the burn is closed to even foot traffic. The High Hunt is "toast" in the Entiat Valley. Here is a map of the closured area:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3819267.pdf
Post by: grundy53 on May 17, 2015, 04:40:34 PM
Post by: jrebel on May 17, 2015, 05:49:16 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 17, 2015, 08:02:47 PM
Post by: crabcreekhunter on May 17, 2015, 10:00:27 PM
Post by: UBA on May 17, 2015, 10:14:51 PM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on May 18, 2015, 03:58:11 AM
Post by: antlerking on May 18, 2015, 05:21:21 AM
Post by: muleracks2 on May 18, 2015, 07:36:49 AM
This is really weird.
Dan B. Glad your cabin is okay. About 12 cabins near Pope Creek have had their permits suspended. You can still access the North Fork and Saska Pass if you go in from Big Hill. Long rough hike to the wilderness from there.
Post by: timberfaller on May 18, 2015, 09:14:59 AM
Besides all the "greenie wheenies" making the "decisions" as USFS employee's :bdid:
Post by: muleracks on May 29, 2015, 09:14:15 AM
Meeting is Monday, June 1st, 4:30 to 6:30 at the Entiat Grange Hall.
It is an open house format so you can come and go as you please. Feedback to them (509) 784-4700 or jflanagan@fs.fed.us P.O. Box 476, Entiat zip 98822
Post by: NOCK NOCK on May 29, 2015, 08:26:49 PM
They were supposed to open the 5900 road....still gated...but a FS employee told us it was OK to take motorcycles up it. They claim the road is closed because of heavy damage from suppression equipment...NOT, I rode the whole road, it is in very good shape. :bash: :bash:
Post by: crabcreekhunter on May 29, 2015, 09:08:02 PM
Post by: muleracks on May 30, 2015, 09:09:49 PM
For the Entiat River Road the biggest (far reaching) reason given by the District Ranger for closing the road is "There's no way to get people out of there safely if more fires occur". If no alternative egress is the new Forest Service criteria, nearly all of the trailhead will be closed. Not a precedent we want to allow. None of her other season have stood up to scrutiny.
Monday, June 1st, 4:30 to 6:30 (F.S. open house format) at the Entiat Grange Hall at the library behind the grocery store in Entiat.
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2015, 09:13:16 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 30, 2015, 09:20:27 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on May 31, 2015, 08:51:59 AM
After the fire a heavy rain event caused Pope Creek to swell, which caused debris to block a culvert, which in turn caused the creek to change its course and over flow the valley road. Over the years, Pope creek has had the same issues and to my knowledge the road/area has never been closed for any length of time before.
It is really mismanagement by the FS. Heavy run off in this area is nothing new, fire or not. An effective fix would be to install a much larger culvert for Pope Creek to run through, and an improved channel to the Entiat River.
I firmly believe the FS (with help from the greenies) goal is to eventually close all roads that are not listed as a level 4 or 5 maintenance level. They simply do not want to manage them. :bash: :bash:
Here is what the Halfway Springs campground looks like after they turned it into a landing. :(
Post by: Killmore on May 31, 2015, 08:59:24 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 31, 2015, 09:44:42 AM
Once again READ Bearpaws signature
Post by: NOCK NOCK on May 31, 2015, 10:05:03 AM
Any form of controlling public access to public land is wrong
Post by: Special T on May 31, 2015, 10:15:32 AM
If you want to understand the nature of this Push you should read this book. I have, and persuaded several other members on here to do so. So sum it up concisely, the USFS want to "Manage" in a hands off approach from behind a desk in the office, not out in the field.
Post by: Jingles on May 31, 2015, 11:07:51 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Tinder-Box-Politically-Ideology-Destroyed/dp/098277348X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1342972902&sr=1-1&keywords=the+tinder+box+--+how+politically+correct+ideology+destroyed+the+u.s.+forest+service
If you want to understand the nature of this Push you should read this book. I have, and persuaded several other members on here to do so. So sum it up concisely, the USFS want to "Manage" in a hands off approach from behind a desk in the office, not out in the field.
That is evident by just looking at any of the trails. The trails in the Methow district if it weren't for Back Country Horseman, Local Outfitters and other volunteers the dam trails wouldn't be passable
Post by: haugenna on May 31, 2015, 12:31:24 PM
Post by: Special T on May 31, 2015, 12:50:59 PM
I think there are 2 problems that are the root cause for the USFS the first (and most documented in the book 40 years worth) is the promotion quotas of those who traditionally who did not work in forestry or have the skills. The second is the ESA. Like MOST federal programs It has outlived the usefulness of its original intent. It basically halted the extinction of 99% of man caused decline, but now has been used as a bludgeon to push an addenda... Preventing Multi-use of public lands. The Sue and Settle technique used by Anti's inside and outside of the agency to push forth the environmental agenda without political review
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 31, 2015, 01:30:27 PM
Jingles, I agree that there are lots of examples, and yours is just another one in the long list. How many times are our concerns deflected or ignored be cause "Its and isolated incident"?:yeah: Got some oceanfront property in Arizona for you if you DON'T believe that :yeah:
I think there are 2 problems that are the root cause for the USFS the first (and most documented in the book 40 years worth) is the promotion quotas of those who traditionally who did not work in forestry or have the skills. The second is the ESA. Like MOST federal programs It has outlived the usefulness of its original intent. It basically halted the extinction of 99% of man caused decline, but now has been used as a bludgeon to push an addenda... Preventing Multi-use of public lands. The Sue and Settle technique used by Anti's inside and outside of the agency to push forth the environmental agenda without political review
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 31, 2015, 01:42:15 PM
The FS (Flanagan's) main reasoning to keep it closed is a term she used multiple times in a recent conversation I had with her, "Alluvial fan situations"
After the fire a heavy rain event caused Pope Creek to swell, which caused debris to block a culvert, which in turn caused the creek to change its course and over flow the valley road. Over the years, Pope creek has had the same issues and to my knowledge the road/area has never been closed for any length of time before.
It is really mismanagement by the FS. Heavy run off in this area is nothing new, fire or not. An effective fix would be to install a much larger culvert for Pope Creek to run through, and an improved channel to the Entiat River.
I firmly believe the FS (with help from the greenies) goal is to eventually close all roads that are not listed as a level 4 or 5 maintenance level. They simply do not want to manage them. :bash: :bash:
Here is what the Halfway Springs campground looks like after they turned it into a landing. :(
I've shot my share of Bear in that area.
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2015, 07:44:10 PM
The FS (Flanagan's) main reasoning to keep it closed is a term she used multiple times in a recent conversation I had with her, "Alluvial fan situations"
After the fire a heavy rain event caused Pope Creek to swell, which caused debris to block a culvert, which in turn caused the creek to change its course and over flow the valley road. Over the years, Pope creek has had the same issues and to my knowledge the road/area has never been closed for any length of time before.
It is really mismanagement by the FS. Heavy run off in this area is nothing new, fire or not. An effective fix would be to install a much larger culvert for Pope Creek to run through, and an improved channel to the Entiat River.
I firmly believe the FS (with help from the greenies) goal is to eventually close all roads that are not listed as a level 4 or 5 maintenance level. They simply do not want to manage them.
Seems to me the best way to handle this would be to form "FAG" (Forest Advisory Group), load it up with greenies from the FS and a couple intelligent, diplomatic hunters to represent us on these controversial matters. There will always be disagreement...but there just might be more common ground than folks here realize. The group might just work better together if they have an opportunity to get to know each other on a personal level. After all, what have we got to lose? :rolleyes:
Post by: westside Elkhunter on June 01, 2015, 08:25:05 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 01, 2015, 08:53:18 PM
Same old Circus BS!! I will post more about it tomorrow
Post by: muleracks on June 02, 2015, 10:33:48 AM
The Ranger seems to have no interest in seeking ways to mitigate the risks stated in the BAER report. A review of the situation is suppose to happen soon and that should solve the issue because the BAER report grossly over states any risk to to the public.
Post by: vandeman17 on June 02, 2015, 10:35:54 AM
The information provided was useless but there were so many people and it was so noisy you really could hear anyway. The point for us was to show a strong interest in having the road reopened. Now we move on to force the issue with the Ranger, Forest Supervisor and on up the food chain. There is committee working on the procedure. Probably will not require a mass showing like the people of Entiat and many groups did Monday evening.
The Ranger seems to have no interest in seeking ways to mitigate the risks stated in the BAER report. A review of the situation is suppose to happen soon and that should solve the issue because the BAER report grossly over states any risk to to the public.
If you do organize something more specific, let me know and if I am available, I would be happy to take part and help in whatever way I can.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 02, 2015, 10:56:01 AM
1. District Ranger Janet Flanagan did not impress me.
Hosting a meeting about an important subject like this and she was not wearing a FS uniform (jeans & T-shirt)....VERY unprofessional. When I asked her if Lake Creek Trail was open/closed, she asked me where Lake Creek trail was, & she kept referring to Shady Pass as "Shady Falls" A D.R. should know their district better.
2. The whole meeting appeared to be set up as a way for the FS try and convince the public that having this closure is necessary.
Poster boards with pictures from other fires were available to view. Why no pictures from the Duncan fire? Because the vast majority of this fire was low intensity, and very spotty, nothing like the high intensity burns they had pictures of.
3. Their main reasoning, "PUBLIC SAFETY", Pope creek COULD flood/mudslide again.
Pope Creek has had flooding issues for as long as I can remember, happens every couple of years, never have they closed down the upper valley for it. My supervisor at work is a cabin owner at Pope Crk., says they have never had any major flooding that has hurt their cabins (which have been in their family for generations.)
If they were truly worried about safety, why is Silver Falls campground open? Silver creek and two other burned out canyons with unnamed creeks are directly above the campground and pose a risk of mud/debris flows that could potentially take out the campground.
From their news release: "The boundaries of the closed area were adjusted to open additional areas for mushroom harvesting. Anyone entering the newly opened area should be aware of the possibility of falling trees & rocks, debris flows, and other typical post fire hazards." So Really, they are only concerned about the publics safety below Pope Crk. ???? Public safety is an excuse.
4. The FS had a "lets sit back and see what happens" approach to this area burn closure. There was ZERO talk of being proactive.
Why not fix the issue at Pope Crk? Widen/strengthen the creek channel as it passes through the alluvial fan before it's juncture with the valley road, replace the current small culvert with a huge one, then strengthen the output channel down to the Entiat River?
5. A little off subject with this one, but, several FS employees shared that they too feel the environmentalists are the ones who are controlling what the FS does....So much for managing the forests for ALL public interests.
6. It was very obvious the FS did not care what the public had to say. They had an attitude of "we are going to do what we want, if you do not like it, too bad"
S.O.S.D.D.
Post by: Special T on June 02, 2015, 12:50:47 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 02, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
Post by: TommyH on June 02, 2015, 06:15:46 PM
The FS (Flanagan's) main reasoning to keep it closed is a term she used multiple times in a recent conversation I had with her, "Alluvial fan situations"
After the fire a heavy rain event caused Pope Creek to swell, which caused debris to block a culvert, which in turn caused the creek to change its course and over flow the valley road. Over the years, Pope creek has had the same issues and to my knowledge the road/area has never been closed for any length of time before.
It is really mismanagement by the FS. Heavy run off in this area is nothing new, fire or not. An effective fix would be to install a much larger culvert for Pope Creek to run through, and an improved channel to the Entiat River.
I firmly believe the FS (with help from the greenies) goal is to eventually close all roads that are not listed as a level 4 or 5 maintenance level. They simply do not want to manage them.
Seems to me the best way to handle this would be to form "FAG" (Forest Advisory Group), load it up with greenies from the FS and a couple intelligent, diplomatic hunters to represent us on these controversial matters. There will always be disagreement...but there just might be more common ground than folks here realize. The group might just work better together if they have an opportunity to get to know each other on a personal level. After all, what have we got to lose? :rolleyes:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: opdinkslayer on June 03, 2015, 06:08:11 AM
Post by: muleracks on June 06, 2015, 12:27:59 PM
NOCK NOCK They did suspend the cabin permits; who know when and if they every get re-instated. The Duncan burn was hot in 15% of the spots, 46% was very low or low heat that leaves 39% that was moderately hot. That is what the burn severity map shows. The photos show the hot spots.
Compare the Duncan burn with the Carlton burn. The USGS Post Fire Debris Flow Study makes that easy. The link below shows the Basin Risk for debris flows at Duncan. Drag the map up to Carlton or down to the Chiwaukum burn (near Leavenworth). You will see that it make no sense to close Entiat when the Methow/Okanogan burn is nearly wide open. Duncan is at a very low risk and no one is worried about an alluvial fan in Pope Creek.
http://landslides.usgs.gov/hazards/postfire_debrisflow/2014/20140716duncan/
Post by: muleracks on June 06, 2015, 12:34:01 PM
I hope all of us are beginning to realize how complete the closure is. Photos I took Monday morning at the Entiat River Gate and went up on North Tommy to see the burn.
Post by: muleracks on June 06, 2015, 12:36:29 PM
Post by: muleracks on June 06, 2015, 12:38:22 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 06, 2015, 12:42:20 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 06, 2015, 01:27:05 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on June 06, 2015, 03:46:13 PM
What a bunch of BS. If it really needs to be closed to vehicles for safety reasons, it should at least be open for non-motorized use. That's just stupid.wouldn't a machine remove you from danger faster??? :chuckle:
Thanks for the info Nock Nock.
Post by: bobcat on June 06, 2015, 06:37:40 PM
What a bunch of BS. If it really needs to be closed to vehicles for safety reasons, it should at least be open for non-motorized use. That's just stupid.wouldn't a machine remove you from danger faster??? :chuckle:
Thanks for the info Nock Nock.
Yes I suppose. I'm not even sure what the heck is so dangerous in that area. ??? How is it more dangerous than a lot of other areas in the national forests? A tree could fall on someone anytime, anywhere. We don't need the government protecting us from every little thing that might go wrong.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 06, 2015, 06:42:17 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 06, 2015, 07:43:56 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on June 06, 2015, 08:23:32 PM
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Post by: grade-creek-rd on June 06, 2015, 10:11:08 PM
G-C-R
Post by: Romulus1297 on June 06, 2015, 11:58:02 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on June 07, 2015, 08:23:02 AM
in some areas I can see closing some roads at certain times of year. But how can you close it to foot traffic?
Its our land
Post by: bigtex on June 07, 2015, 09:43:02 AM
Yeah, bobcat just post a sign saying no rescues if you go beyond such and such point. If I remember correctly a wilderness trail previously closed because of fire a year before had a sign saying you could face a year in jail or $10K in fines--maybe it was more. BigTex could probably clarify that.All federal land management agency violations with the exception of those on BLM lands are federal Class B Misdemeanors which carry up to a $5,000 fine and/or 6 months in jail. But I am willing to bet there is a set fine for such violation. The feds aren't following WA's path in requiring everyone who commits an offense to have a mandatory day in court.
Post by: grundy53 on June 07, 2015, 09:43:04 AM
This is all Crap.... Public safety my ass...Exactly.
in some areas I can see closing some roads at certain times of year. But how can you close it to foot traffic?
Its our land
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 07, 2015, 10:24:21 AM
This is all Crap.... Public safety my ass...Exactly.
in some areas I can see closing some roads at certain times of year. But how can you close it to foot traffic?
Its our land
I agree except for one big thing..........It WAS our land, not anymore :bash: :bash: :mgun: :tree1:
Post by: muleracks on June 07, 2015, 05:48:21 PM
e-mail to access.entiat@yahoo.com
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 07, 2015, 06:47:52 PM
As far as keeping the 5900 road closed....Well the Chelan Ranger District has already grated and graveled their side of the pass that was damaged in the 25 mile fire, Why has Entiat not done theirs yet??? The road is snow free and dry the whole way. :bash:
Post by: Mauser on June 07, 2015, 07:47:19 PM
Post by: muleracks on June 08, 2015, 08:53:58 AM
They spent the last half of the summer working on that road. Ranger Flanagan does not want anyone in her forest; that is obvious.
More crazy news: She closed all of the roads and trail that provide a view of the burn. Garland Peak #1408, Shetipo #1429, Tommy Creek Road #5605 are all closed. Reason: "Due to safety concerns resulting from the Duncan fire."
These are on the ridge across the valley; not remotely involved with the fire. If you see how light the burn is you will be really pissed.
Check the website Entiat Ranger District, recreation, trails.
Ranger Flanagan can be reached at (509) 784-4700 or jflanagan@fs.fed.us
Forest Supervisor's office at (509) 664-9200 or deputy supervisor jkuiken@fs.fed.us
Post by: Special T on June 08, 2015, 08:56:16 AM
Post by: grundy53 on June 08, 2015, 09:13:22 AM
Post by: muleracks on June 08, 2015, 03:43:01 PM
That include the burn plus 5 mile up valley from the burn, to the Wilderness boundary. The major goal is to get the Entiat River Road to Cottonwood open but everything should be re-opened.
Yes, I am upset too and so are the residence in the Entiat Valley, cabin owners, fishers, hunters and hikers.
Post by: dreamingbig on June 09, 2015, 05:34:25 AM
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Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 09, 2015, 10:29:38 AM
I received the petition you sent. :tup: and will work hard on filling some pages up.
Have you thought about starting a Facebook Page to get more of the public aware of this access issue and to collect signatures for the petition (not sure if electronic signatures would count) anybody know?
I could get a FB page going, just let me know.
Nock Nock
Post by: grundy53 on June 09, 2015, 10:33:24 AM
Road 5900 (Shady Pass) road is in the best shape in the past 30 years.
They spent the last half of the summer working on that road. Ranger Flanagan does not want anyone in her forest; that is obvious.
More crazy news: She closed all of the roads and trail that provide a view of the burn. Garland Peak #1408, Shetipo #1429, Tommy Creek Road #5605 are all closed. Reason: "Due to safety concerns resulting from the Duncan fire."
These are on the ridge across the valley; not remotely involved with the fire. If you see how light the burn is you will be really pissed.
Check the website Entiat Ranger District, recreation, trails.
Ranger Flanagan can be reached at (509) 784-4700 or jflanagan@fs.fed.us
Forest Supervisor's office at (509) 664-9200 or deputy supervisor jkuiken@fs.fed.us
I sent Flanagan an email yesterday morning. Haven'y heard back from her yet...
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 09, 2015, 10:40:02 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 09, 2015, 11:01:43 AM
She will just send you the e-mail she has been sending out for the past few months. Best thing you can do is sign the petition get others to sign it and send it off.
And YES, sign the petition. The squeaky wheel will eventually get the grease.
Here is the E-mail I just sent.
How about the FS actually do something proactive and resolve the issue at Pope Creek so that the valley road may be re-opened?
Re-structure/strengthen Pope Creek as it flows (should flow) through the alluvial fan were it junctures with the valley road, then install a much larger culvert for it to pass through under the road, and finally strengthen the channel it will run through from the valley road to the Entiat River.
OR do this (see attached pic.. Slide Ridge Sign)......It has worked well for years below Slide Ridge.
More than likely your answers will be "We do not have the funds to re-build Pope Creek"
I am betting that there are PLENTY of people out there that will volunteer and donate time, machinery, and money to get this done.
I look forward to your replies.
Post by: timberfaller on June 10, 2015, 08:26:26 AM
Sounds like emails and phone calls have worked :tup:
Keep the Pressure ON!!!
Post by: muleracks on June 11, 2015, 08:10:04 PM
You can drag the map over to look at the Carlton and Chiwaukum fires as well. They are far more colorful. :bash:
The USGS did their Post Fire Debris Flow study and found no high risk areas; not even Pope Creek. Even FS hydrologists confirm that Pope Creek is not going to have a landslide.
I wrote a letter to the Safety Valve (Wenatchee World newspaper) but messages and phone calls to Ranger Flanagan jflanagan@fs.fed.us or (509) 784-4700 plus getting signatures on the petition from access.entiat@yahoo.com It also does not hurt to contact the Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest management Jkuiken@fs.fed.us (509) 664-9200
They need to know that we want to get back into the mountains. Archery season opens Sept. 1st for those big Entiat mule deer.
Post by: grundy53 on June 11, 2015, 09:38:22 PM
Post by: muleracks on June 11, 2015, 10:20:37 PM
when cornered in the hallway but did not really answer their questions. Very secretive manager.
Post by: jrebel on June 28, 2015, 09:17:13 AM
Post by: jrebel on June 28, 2015, 09:23:08 AM
Post by: muleracks on July 05, 2015, 11:57:10 AM
Post by: UBA on July 08, 2015, 04:41:46 PM
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/access-entiat
Don't worry about the donation page. Your name will still go on the list.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 16, 2015, 03:32:01 PM
News Release
Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest
215 Melody Lane • Wenatchee, WA 98801 • 509-664-9200 • fs.usda.gov/okawen
CONTACT: Public Affairs Officer Cathy Dowd, 509-664-9314
August 14, 2015
Duncan Fire Closure to be Re-evaluated
Wenatchee, WA— The Duncan Fire closure area on the Entiat Ranger District will be evaluated over the next month to determine whether the landscape has recovered enough to be safe for public entry.
The area was closed based on the recommendations of the Burned Area Emergency Response (BAER) team after the 12,691-acre lightning-caused Duncan Fire in 2014. Portions of the upper reaches of the Entiat River watershed burned with such high severity that even a relatively small storm could cause flash floods and debris flows putting human life and safety at risk.
Debris flows have already occurred in the area due to rainfall on moderately burned areas. The most severely burned areas have only experienced light rainfall so the debris flow potential remains high.
“It’s been a year since the Duncan Fire but accounts of conditions to date suggest that there is little vegetation recovery in the most severely burned areas,” explains Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest Resources & Planning Staff Officer Stuart Woolley. “However, we want to complete a formal evaluation of the area that can be used as a benchmark for future recovery planning.”
As part of the current evaluation the Forest Service will collect satellite images of current conditions within the closure area and compare those to post-fire images to determine vegetation growth in the burned areas. Forest personnel along with the BAER team lead will be revisiting sites on the ground to check the accuracy of the satellite images.
“We are evaluating recovery because we want to reopen the area, but we have to make sure it is reasonably safe for people to enter,” said Forest Supervisor Mike Williams. “To ignore the findings in the BAER report would be irresponsible.”
Since the fire, protective measures have been implemented within the burn area to reduce damage in the event of floods and debris flows. Culverts are being removed and drainages are being built to keep roads from washing out. Culverts that recently have been removed were already partially plugged with debris, contributing to build up of additional debris and failure. This work is not intended to permanently close roads or eliminate access to the area but to protect the road systems.
A much larger area adjacent to the east and north sides of the Duncan Fire closure has been temporarily closed due to fire activity and firefighter operations on the Wolverine and Blankenship Fires. View the full closure map at http://go.usa.gov/3sMyj. This temporary closure will limit access to areas west of Lake Chelan to the Entiat River and from Big Creek north to Company Creek in the Glacier Peak Wilderness towards Lyman Lake. Lyman Lake can still be accessed on Phelps Creek Trail 1511. Much of Glacier Peak Wilderness can still be accessed from the Wenatchee River Ranger District and the Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest. Call local ranger district offices for assistance in planning your visit near these areas.
-End-
Now that right there is funny... (highlighted red)
I am so sick of the FS lying and BS :bash: :bash: :bash:
Here are two pics, #1 is the 5901 road off Shady pass, huge Kelly hump.....Not going to close any roads huh? :bash:
#2 is a pic of the gate at the junction of Shady Pass & 25 mile creek road. When they did finally open Shady pass, at least they could have picked up all the surveyor tape they used to block off motorcycles from going around the gate. This is nothing less than littering by the FS themselves.
Post by: jeffitz on August 25, 2015, 07:28:14 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 25, 2015, 07:33:11 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 25, 2015, 07:41:45 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 26, 2015, 04:12:58 AM
Post by: Ridgerunner on August 26, 2015, 01:37:30 PM
Post by: AlpineMuley on August 26, 2015, 02:03:06 PM
Post by: huntergreg on September 03, 2015, 04:52:56 AM
:brew: :brew:
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 03, 2015, 08:13:01 AM
Not sure what your saying here. I do my homework, and your post makes sense for the lower valley areas, but this thread is talking about the UPPER Entiat valley, It is closed by a "forest order"....The only way your getting in there is being a FS related employee or illegally. :bdid:
Post by: WAmuleyHunter on September 03, 2015, 08:49:37 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 03, 2015, 08:56:57 PM
Good riddance.
They have not selected anyone to replace her yet. Hope the new ranger they assign at least will learn/know the district.
Post by: UBA on September 03, 2015, 09:33:57 PM
Post by: WAmuleyHunter on September 03, 2015, 09:37:59 PM
Post by: muleracks on September 03, 2015, 10:41:31 PM
Post by: crabcreekhunter on September 04, 2015, 01:02:35 AM
Post by: bearhunter99 on September 04, 2015, 05:28:15 AM
Post by: jeffitz on September 04, 2015, 06:40:37 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 05, 2015, 07:48:18 AM
This year the 1st Creek fire has burned the entire south shore all the way to 25mile creek, and there are hundreds of vacation & permenant homes along this stretch which also includes a well documented slide area (Slide Ridge)
Applying the FS BAER reasoning to this fire area, would lead one to believe that this area would also be closed due to extreme danger from mud/debris slides. Think again.
From Inciweb....
"Because of the burn severity in many areas of the First Creek Fire, it is extremely important that residents who may be returning to the area be exceptionally aware of the possibility of mudslides following any rain events."
Pretty sure we all know this area will not be closed to access.
Post by: muleracks on September 06, 2015, 01:14:50 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on September 13, 2015, 05:37:32 AM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 13, 2015, 05:40:38 AM
So, tell me if what I heard was wrong.......The ranger gal is no longer in the picture and went adios. Replaced with about as good of choice as a hunter could ask for. Won't post the name until confirmed what I heard is true. Happened a week or so ago. :dunno:
I knew she was going to retire since last year. The guy who is replacing her for the moment is a fir guy out of the s.o.
Post by: muleracks on September 13, 2015, 09:58:32 AM
The current closure should be reduced once the fires are out.
Post by: muleracks on September 13, 2015, 10:00:58 AM
http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3848859.pdf
Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 24, 2015, 08:36:37 PM
"A post-fire community meeting has been scheduled for November 30th at 6:00 p.m., being held at the Entiat Fire Station, 2200 Entiat Way. Burned Area Emergency Response (BAER) team leader Molly Hanson will present information from the BAER report that affects the Entiat Valley."
I have read a summary of the report, Not good........Anyone wanna bet the Forest Circus will keep ALL upper valley campgrounds (and probably most roads) closed in 2016???
I find it rather ironic that with all their talk of debris/mud flows happening in the fire area.......the current rock slide was no where near a fire area. Gee them BAER folks sure are smart. :rolleyes:
Give em time and they will put a big ol gate across the valley and close it for good......then scratch their heads and wonder why they no longer have a job. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Rant Over!!
Post by: UBA on November 25, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 25, 2015, 11:32:08 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 25, 2015, 12:38:16 PM
Post by: muleracks on November 25, 2015, 08:52:26 PM
Entiat Meeting, Monday, Nov. 30th at 6pm at the new Entiat Fire Hall located just above the Forest Service offices in town. The BAER (Burned Area Emergency Response) team is ready to share their plans for the Entiat/Holden/Lucerne (65,000) burn. They did release a summary of their findings. linked here:
http://centralwashingtonfirerecovery.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/WolverineFire2500-8Summary.pdf
The meeting is open to the public and this is our National Forest
Post by: steelhead13 on November 25, 2015, 10:28:41 PM
It has always been our right to risk our lives in wild country as we see fit. I am infuriated at the extension of the nanny state mentality to the ability of adult taxpayers to choose to recreate in wild country and assume those risks for themselves and their children. Get ready for a push to exclude bearing arms on all federal property for "safety".
This is exactly right! So are taxes will be lower since we are not aloud access to this land that we pay taxes on, correct?! :rolleyes:
Post by: Romulus1297 on December 03, 2015, 10:13:35 PM
Entiat Ranger District News Release:They really came up with a plan :'(
"A post-fire community meeting has been scheduled for November 30th at 6:00 p.m., being held at the Entiat Fire Station, 2200 Entiat Way. Burned Area Emergency Response (BAER) team leader Molly Hanson will present information from the BAER report that affects the Entiat Valley."
I have read a summary of the report, Not good........Anyone wanna bet the Forest Circus will keep ALL upper valley campgrounds (and probably most roads) closed in 2016???
I find it rather ironic that with all their talk of debris/mud flows happening in the fire area.......the current rock slide was no where near a fire area. Gee them BAER folks sure are smart. :rolleyes:
Give em time and they will put a big ol gate across the valley and close it for good......then scratch their heads and wonder why they no longer have a job. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Rant Over!!
Post by: theslice on December 04, 2015, 12:16:13 PM
Post by: Romulus1297 on December 05, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Post by: crabcreekhunter on December 06, 2015, 06:53:28 AM
Post by: crabcreekhunter on December 06, 2015, 07:12:22 AM
Post by: muleracks on December 06, 2015, 09:58:07 AM
We can challenge the closure with letters to Supervisor Williams at the Wenatchee OWL office and Jim Pena at Portland's Region 6 office. The local Entiat group called Access Entiat is up in arms following the BAER meeting on Nov. 30 at Entiat.
Post by: crabcreekhunter on December 06, 2015, 10:57:58 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on December 16, 2015, 10:32:56 AM
Post by: muleracks on December 16, 2015, 08:26:47 PM
Randy Whitehall did a great job as the District Ranger for the few months he served. Maybe the Entiat will never get reopened without a fight.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 22, 2017, 03:14:55 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on June 22, 2017, 03:57:01 PM
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Post by: haugenna on June 22, 2017, 07:51:43 PM
Post by: muleracks on June 23, 2017, 11:28:43 PM
They have been closed since 2014. The Wolverine fire of 2015 has caused some changes. Here are some Google Earth images.
Post by: Stalkin Prey on June 27, 2017, 08:10:17 PM
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Post by: muleracks on July 27, 2017, 12:33:44 PM
Post by: muleracks on July 27, 2017, 12:35:57 PM