Post by: trophyhunt on May 26, 2015, 07:49:33 PM
Post by: mfswallace on May 26, 2015, 08:26:35 PM
For life?? all tags become oil' s ??
Post by: mp.hunter on May 26, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on May 26, 2015, 08:33:12 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 26, 2015, 08:33:58 PM
Post by: mp.hunter on May 26, 2015, 08:38:33 PM
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Post by: MtnMuley on May 26, 2015, 08:40:20 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 26, 2015, 08:40:42 PM
As for the wasted tags, there is no such thing. If a person draws an elk permit in the bull category and the quality category, he can still use both permits. Just can't kill two elk. It's up to each person if they want to take the chance of drawing more than one permit per species. I applied for antlerless elk and quality elk this year, so in the quality category I only applied for a point.
Having a minimum number of points to draw would complicate the system even more. If anything, I'd rather simplify the system. This is not a preference point type of system. If we want to change to that, we'd have to do away with squaring the points.
Post by: X-Force on May 26, 2015, 08:53:49 PM
Post by: Tbar on May 26, 2015, 11:17:11 PM
Post by: stevemiller on May 26, 2015, 11:19:18 PM
Post by: stevemiller on May 27, 2015, 01:18:35 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 27, 2015, 05:47:03 AM
I really wanted to vote but my A D D took over and I lost interest in the poll. lol.Seriously though I think the system is fine,every year people complain about how it is,Seems haters gonna hate.I would like to see some of the people that claim to have over 16 points show us a pic of it.Thats right if you have more than 16 points :tup: in anything other than an oil take a pic of your last years draw results cover up your info and post it here,I really want to see if many actually have that many. Thanks. No offense meant either if people do have that many its rediculous.And I would be looking for a change also but if not. :cryriver:i know it's a bit scattered, I'm not that good this kind of stuff, im just not that organized. I'd like to take the top 4 or 5 opinions to the wdfw.
Post by: Katmai Guy on May 27, 2015, 07:49:30 AM
Why would you do this? The 97 people who have voted at the time of this post aren't even 1/10th of 1% of the WA hunting community.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 27, 2015, 07:57:23 AM
i know it's a bit scattered, I'm not that good this kind of stuff, im just not that organized. I'd like to take the top 4 or 5 opinions to the wdfw.i was hoping for some changes that the wdfw would consider, there are some good points on here. I've talked to the permit manager in the past and thought if I could put some numbers behind some of these opinions it would create changes. I'm fully aware that only a small percentage of the over 18,000 members are responding, but a lot of members are not as committed to this site as the rest of us losers! :chuckle:
Why would you do this? The 97 people who have voted at the time of this post aren't even 1/10th of 1% of the WA hunting community.
Post by: timberfaller on May 27, 2015, 08:03:13 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 27, 2015, 08:05:33 AM
:dunno: NO option for scraping the whole system? :dunno: Whats with that!!!! :othey would never consider that option, even if 100% of us wanted it. The revenue is too much to lose.
Post by: jackelope on May 27, 2015, 08:16:56 AM
:dunno: NO option for scraping the whole system? :dunno: Whats with that!!!! :o
Why would you want to scrap the whole system?
What would you prefer? Please don't say open seasons for everything...
What would you do, Timberfaller?
Post by: Curly on May 27, 2015, 08:19:33 AM
Seems like whenever they change the system they make it worse.
Post by: mfswallace on May 27, 2015, 09:26:59 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 27, 2015, 10:35:57 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 27, 2015, 10:42:23 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 27, 2015, 04:39:33 PM
Post by: stevemiller on May 27, 2015, 04:55:01 PM
YESCool we should get a lot of pics then.I dont want to hear about these points I want to see them or they dont have them hows that?
Nobody needs to show you a thing and nobody cares what you want to hear about. Are you calling people liars here? Pretty clear you haven't been hunting long. Listen more, pop off less and you just may learn something.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 27, 2015, 06:35:32 PM
Post by: stevemiller on May 27, 2015, 07:53:14 PM
Post by: adamR on May 27, 2015, 08:09:49 PM
I like the idea of buy a second tag if u draw antlered and antlerless in same year!!!!!!!!!!! Quotas have been set and hunter has paid his money.I think this would drastically decrease draw odds. Knowing that drawing two tags gets you a second elk would cause more people to apply who don't already and people that already do apply to apply for more or different units just so they can kill two elk.
Post by: stevemiller on May 27, 2015, 08:58:59 PM
Post by: timberfaller on May 27, 2015, 10:00:35 PM
:dunno: NO option for scraping the whole system? :dunno: Whats with that!!!! :o
Why would you want to scrap the whole system?
What would you prefer? Please don't say open seasons for everything...
What would you do, Timberfaller?
not for "open" seasons except on Coyotes, Wolves and other pests of game animals! :chuckle:
First thing I would do is Split the agency back apart, let fishery's fend for themselves. Yes I prefer the way things used to be, before all the varying seasons and units. I'd even go back to having just the East and West side as units. Never been a fan of any thing dealing with "Points" collecting to recreate.
I can understand "controlling people" but if I know my own back yard, why should I be kept from enjoying it??? Oregon has come to that, and WA is doing their best to follow OTHER states instead of doing their own thing.
I still have a copy of the 1973 game/hunting pamphlet. Wow how things have changed, less wildlife, less hunters NOW and the 73 pamphlet was smaller then the state map and covered ALL hunting seasons.
But then some people have never seen the days of "herds" of deer and elk and all they have to go on is what they see today. AND the "habitat" is still there but the "herds" are gone, so I'll squelch the "loss of habitat" argument here and now, even though habitat loss does take place.
I probably haven't given any real answers, but then I've never gone along with the crowd and especially the PC crowd.
Don't even get me started on "fishing"! Bought my first license last year after having stopped fishing over 15 years ago, Only because of grandkids now.
:twocents: :hello:
Post by: JLS on May 27, 2015, 10:07:16 PM
I would scrap the whole system.
Choose one deer and one elk category.
Choose one of moose, sheep, and goat.
No points.
OIL for moose, sheep, goat.
3 year wait for deer and elk.
Post by: bobcat on May 27, 2015, 10:09:48 PM
Just because habitat "looks" the same as it was 20 years ago certainly doesn't mean that it is.
I would scrap the whole system.
Choose one deer and one elk category.
Choose one of moose, sheep, and goat.
No points.
OIL for moose, sheep, goat.
3 year wait for deer and elk.
Sounds similar to Idaho! :tup:
Post by: mfswallace on May 27, 2015, 10:37:27 PM
I like the idea of buy a second tag if u draw antlered and antlerless in same year!!!!!!!!!!! Quotas have been set and hunter has paid his money.I think this would drastically decrease draw odds. Knowing that drawing two tags gets you a second elk would cause more people to apply who don't already and people that already do apply to apply for more or different units just so they can kill two elk.
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And if u win the lottery twice the state should give your second winnings to some other schmuck because while he might have done the same thing he didn't draw anything??? Isn't the point of any draw system points or not, to make all results random and not leave it to human interpretation?
Post by: stevemiller on May 27, 2015, 10:49:11 PM
Thats a good point :yeah: Didnt really think of it like winning money but Still its a good point.I like the idea of buy a second tag if u draw antlered and antlerless in same year!!!!!!!!!!! Quotas have been set and hunter has paid his money.I think this would drastically decrease draw odds. Knowing that drawing two tags gets you a second elk would cause more people to apply who don't already and people that already do apply to apply for more or different units just so they can kill two elk.
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And if u win the lottery twice the state should give your second winnings to some other schmuck because while he might have done the same thing he didn't draw anything??? Isn't the point of any draw system points or not, to make all results random and not leave it to human interpretation?
Post by: stevemiller on May 28, 2015, 09:02:04 AM
I guess no one has as many points as they want everyone to believe.No your right no one needs to show,no one has to show.I think your off a little with the no one cares though,Plenty are tired of hearing the I have 20 points in this or that and I never get picked(Im gonna stop spending my money in WA.) :cryriver:Cool we should get a lot of pics then.I dont want to hear about these points I want to see them or they dont have them hows that?
Nobody needs to show you a thing and nobody cares what you want to hear about. Are you calling people liars here? Pretty clear you haven't been hunting long. Listen more, pop off less and you just may learn something.
Post by: LabChamp on May 28, 2015, 09:12:55 AM
I guess no one has as many points as they want everyone to believe.No your right no one needs to show,no one has to show.I think your off a little with the no one cares though,Plenty are tired of hearing the I have 20 points in this or that and I never get picked(Im gonna stop spending my money in WA.) :cryriver:Cool we should get a lot of pics then.I dont want to hear about these points I want to see them or they dont have them hows that?
Nobody needs to show you a thing and nobody cares what you want to hear about. Are you calling people liars here? Pretty clear you haven't been hunting long. Listen more, pop off less and you just may learn something.
I think it's hilarious some of you guys cry about reading someone's comments about the system and at the same time voice their point of view. Typical Washington style
Post by: stevemiller on May 28, 2015, 09:25:07 AM
Post by: LabChamp on May 28, 2015, 09:27:16 AM
I agree :yeah: I also think it is hilarious that some members on here have so much to say about a subject and then when the question is asked how,when, or in this case how much earlier for the results to come out,No one responds just crickets every time.
Status quoe
Post by: stevemiller on May 28, 2015, 09:28:47 AM
Post by: birddogdad on May 28, 2015, 09:37:34 AM
for those of us who served and were shuffled all over the country every 3 years, points building is not a good method for any state we are transferred too and from. We gain and loose residency for hunting and it becomes a dream to draw special tags..... I know dumping points will strike a sore nerve, but just my thought here...
Post by: LabChamp on May 28, 2015, 09:40:35 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 28, 2015, 10:35:02 AM
I like the wait idea after drawingi take it you mean a wait period after drawing successful? If so, 3 or 5 years?
Post by: Wacenturion on May 28, 2015, 11:25:15 AM
Post by: X-Force on May 28, 2015, 01:00:40 PM
Just because habitat "looks" the same as it was 20 years ago certainly doesn't mean that it is.
I would scrap the whole system.
Choose one deer and one elk category.
Choose one of moose, sheep, and goat.
No points.
OIL for moose, sheep, goat.
3 year wait for deer and elk.
Sounds similar to Idaho! :tup:
Im liking this idea but i think Idaho has it right when it comes to 1 oil or both deer and elk. With as few oil tags, really permits in general, as washington has and as many hunters as we have it would be nice to shrink the pool of people who put in for all tags not just oils. Most people I know who put in for Oils only do it because they dont have to choose.
I think this year I spent roughly $125 on applications if I had to choose I would rather spend that $125 on a single Goat or Sheep app where my odds were 1/50 or better. I would also rather spend $60 apiece on single elk or deer category where my odds are 1/20 or better.
Either way the state would be getting the same cash out of me (us) and I (we) would have better odds of drawing the permits I (we) really want.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 28, 2015, 01:13:02 PM
First item on poll should have been one choice for all, not just quality elk or deer. I'm assuming many like myself voted for it thinking it was for all, as I just focused on limiting to one choice.the option was meant for only having 1 choice for quality deer, elk, sheep, goat and moose. I didn't think people would care too much about the others.
Post by: Wacenturion on May 28, 2015, 04:01:40 PM
First item on poll should have been one choice for all, not just quality elk or deer. I'm assuming many like myself voted for it thinking it was for all, as I just focused on limiting to one choice.the option was meant for only having 1 choice for quality deer, elk, sheep, goat and moose. I didn't think people would care too much about the others.
Respectively disagree. I think people do care, that's why the high vote total. If you look at the other thread, you will see that the focus of the discussions of one choice and the examples was across the board and not limited to quality. My example of Blue Mtn. West is a Buck deer draw. Antlerless permittees putting in for buck and quality was also discussed.
Post by: stevemiller on May 28, 2015, 04:16:26 PM
I like the wait idea after drawingThis would work and I dont think many would have a problem with it if they were able to still build points during the wait time,If not I think once drawn most would stop buying. :twocents:
Post by: trophyhunt on May 28, 2015, 04:17:10 PM
Ok, when I get time this weekend I will take the results and write them down in order of popularity to give to the wdfw when I'm there. I will adjust that topic to include all special permits be ONE choice. Wouldn't it be cool if we saw even a couple changes in the future??First item on poll should have been one choice for all, not just quality elk or deer. I'm assuming many like myself voted for it thinking it was for all, as I just focused on limiting to one choice.the option was meant for only having 1 choice for quality deer, elk, sheep, goat and moose. I didn't think people would care too much about the others.
Respectively disagree. I think people do care, that's why the high vote total. If you look at the other thread, you will see that the focus of the discussions of one choice and the examples was across the board and not limited to quality. My example of Blue Mtn. West is a Buck deer draw. Antlerless permittees putting in for buck and quality was also discussed.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 28, 2015, 04:18:38 PM
I would think most would want the opportunity to buy your points if there was a waiting period, for sure. That point will be in the letter I deliver.I like the wait idea after drawingThis would work and I dont think many would have a problem with it if they were able to still build points during the wait time,If not I think once drawn most would stop buying. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on May 28, 2015, 04:29:15 PM
The very best way to improve odds would be to go back to only one deer category and one elk category. You have your deer points and you have your elk points. You choose to apply for an antlerless deer tag and you draw? Lose your deer points.
Want to apply for a "quality" deer hunt the following year? You're in with only 1 point. That was your choice. It makes it a heck of a lot easier to draw for those who just want a meat hunt. And it also takes some pressure off the so called quality permits.
Post by: Wacenturion on May 28, 2015, 04:31:29 PM
Ok, when I get time this weekend I will take the results and write them down in order of popularity to give to the wdfw when I'm there. I will adjust that topic to include all special permits be ONE choice. Wouldn't it be cool if we saw even a couple changes in the future??First item on poll should have been one choice for all, not just quality elk or deer. I'm assuming many like myself voted for it thinking it was for all, as I just focused on limiting to one choice.the option was meant for only having 1 choice for quality deer, elk, sheep, goat and moose. I didn't think people would care too much about the others.
Respectively disagree. I think people do care, that's why the high vote total. If you look at the other thread, you will see that the focus of the discussions of one choice and the examples was across the board and not limited to quality. My example of Blue Mtn. West is a Buck deer draw. Antlerless permittees putting in for buck and quality was also discussed.
Thanks. :tup:
Post by: stevemiller on May 28, 2015, 04:32:12 PM
Post by: LabChamp on May 28, 2015, 04:32:33 PM
I absolutely hate the idea of being able to apply for a point when you're not eligible to apply for an actual hunt. Like if there was a waiting period, or if we were only able to apply in one category per species. That should include applying for a point.
The very best way to improve odds would be to go back to only one deer category and one elk category. You have your deer points and you have your elk points. You choose to apply for an antlerless deer tag and you draw? Lose your deer points.
Want to apply for a "quality" deer hunt the following year? You're in with only 1 point. That was your choice. It makes it a heck of a lot easier to draw for those who just want a meat hunt. And it also takes some pressure off the so called quality permits.
Love it, add the earlier draw, and maybe a % of the tags going to highest point holders and I'm sold
Post by: stevemiller on May 28, 2015, 04:39:18 PM
I absolutely hate the idea of being able to apply for a point when you're not eligible to apply for an actual hunt. Like if there was a waiting period, or if we were only able to apply in one category per species. That should include applying for a point.Ok,this is perfect,People say they have 20 points 16 points whatever,that means they have been waiting 16 to 20 years for some of these apps.say these people put in for quality deer every year and most others do also you could be waiting 16 to 20 to draw this tag then try to draw another is also 16 20 years and then, you could make all apps oil and it would turn out close to the same thing so I say no no no to all of these changes :twocents: the only one that would make any sense at all to me anyways would be a wait after a successful draw in that category only.Be able to still build points while you wait.Fair who said life was fair?If you want better odds at a draw lower your expectations as to where you want drawn.
The very best way to improve odds would be to go back to only one deer category and one elk category. You have your deer points and you have your elk points. You choose to apply for an antlerless deer tag and you draw? Lose your deer points.
Want to apply for a "quality" deer hunt the following year? You're in with only 1 point. That was your choice. It makes it a heck of a lot easier to draw for those who just want a meat hunt. And it also takes some pressure off the so called quality permits.
Post by: bobcat on May 28, 2015, 04:53:52 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 28, 2015, 04:55:41 PM
Post by: stevemiller on May 28, 2015, 04:56:14 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 28, 2015, 04:57:49 PM
By the way, I've drawn quality deer permits in 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012. So from my perspective, the odds really aren't that bad. You just need to apply for permits that aren't the most popular.
Post by: stevemiller on May 28, 2015, 05:05:08 PM
Post by: stevemiller on May 28, 2015, 05:06:51 PM
Then just have a 1 or 2 year waiting period. :dunno:All while you are still applying and building points though right?
By the way, I've drawn quality deer permits in 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012. So from my perspective, the odds really aren't that bad. You just need to apply for permits that aren't the most popular.
Post by: bobcat on May 28, 2015, 05:09:06 PM
Then just have a 1 or 2 year waiting period. :dunno:All while you are still applying and building points though right?
By the way, I've drawn quality deer permits in 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012. So from my perspective, the odds really aren't that bad. You just need to apply for permits that aren't the most popular.
Yes, of course.
Post by: stevemiller on May 28, 2015, 05:14:03 PM
Post by: X-Force on May 28, 2015, 07:27:21 PM
I also agree with Steve in that if you haven't drawn a deer or elk permit in 20 years you need to start applying for some of the less popular hunts.
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I agree but... The multiple categories per species is unsustainable.
What was the point creep before multiple categories? What is it now?
Post by: bobcat on May 28, 2015, 07:35:54 PM
Post by: X-Force on May 28, 2015, 08:39:54 PM
We don't have point creep because our system is not a preference point system. All we have is impossible odds.
We have impossible odds partially because of the multiple category system (in deer and elk) we also have a point creep because since the inception of the multiple category system the amount of people applying to every possible tag. 2008 Gardner rifle tag Nov 1-20 average points per permit recipient was 5, 2014 is 9 points. I don't have the old games regs on me but I can post up multiple similar comparisons tomorrow.
Post by: Curly on May 29, 2015, 07:44:21 AM
Thanks but no offense only a couple on here make any sense at all.I would like someone any one member to post a good way for the deadline and results to happen.I posted it long ago on here and nothing.I strongly feel that it is as I have stated There really is no better way or time.Also why is it so hard for anyone to show that they really do have 16-20 points in any category other than oil?Again I strongly feel its because as I have stated it is not true. :twocents:
I started a poll to see how many points people have going into the draws.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=175533.new#new
Post by: KNOPHISH on May 29, 2015, 10:41:57 AM
Post by: gee_unit360 on May 29, 2015, 11:08:17 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 29, 2015, 11:42:33 AM
What's a max point holder? How many points? I didnt know it existed.
That's just referring to the most points a person could have if they started applying from the beginning of the point system, which was 1996. So this year the maximum points you could have is 20.
Post by: Jingles on May 29, 2015, 01:20:30 PM
Just open the seasons for everyone You buy a license you can hunt until your tag is filled with any weapon during the respective seasons and no you don't have to declare what you want to hunt with.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 30, 2015, 08:22:56 AM
Did not see an option to just do away with special permit system except for OIL and the doing away with the ability to accumulate points from previous years for those OIL every year everyone that wants a chance has one ticket in the poolThere are a bunch of options, just can't put them all up. The option your talking about would be popular with hunters but wdfw will never give up this money machine they have made. unfortunately most changes will have to not decrease revenue if any happen. This poll is probably for nothing, but I will take these examples with me at the drawing and try to pass them on, hopefully with an explanation about them, to the right person. Who knows, maybe the new director will be there? We need more numbers to show them, I'm not too sure 175 votes will impress them much. I will probably leave out the number of votes and just show the percentages.
Just open the seasons for everyone You buy a license you can hunt until your tag is filled with any weapon during the respective seasons and no you don't have to declare what you want to hunt with.
Post by: mfswallace on May 30, 2015, 08:55:08 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 30, 2015, 09:13:27 AM
Don't forget the last option was added after most people voted and we can't go back and pick it as one of our choices.....Yes, that will definitely be on the list.
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2015, 09:30:06 AM
Post by: X-Force on May 30, 2015, 09:46:46 AM
I'm not worried about the state taking the proposal seriously because it would alienate to many people but coming from guys complaining about a "fair" system its asinine.
Post by: notsosneaky on May 30, 2015, 09:49:40 AM
For instance: I initially like the idea of a waiting period after you draw a quality tag.
The problem is, under the current system, the number of quality tags going to applicants with 1-3 points is around 15% for deer and elk. applicants with 1-3 points account for the highest percentage of people in the draw(greater percentage of people getting a lower percentage of tags)
If those tags go to applicants with 4 points or more then in three years that same greater number of people will be drawing the same percentage of the tags they are today. Then we will all cry "extend the wait to 5 years"
The more I think about it the more I want no changes. Every change has consequences that benefit some and hurt others. That said, I've always been in favor of a drawing only hunting season.
Post by: splitshot on May 30, 2015, 09:58:29 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2015, 10:12:22 AM
Post by: grundy53 on May 30, 2015, 10:12:30 AM
up the cost. not much diff between quality and buck and not much between bull and quality combine them and charge more. this will not be popular, charge west side residents out of state to hunt eastside. lol. a money maker but wont fly. mike wGood luck with that...
Post by: notsosneaky on May 30, 2015, 10:29:59 AM
It really comes down to lots of hunters and few tags, but all the data suggests that the more points you have the better your odds. As unpopular as it will sound the system works.
Post by: X-Force on May 30, 2015, 10:53:01 AM
For the record by my count this year there are 1092 people with 15 or more points in quality elk and 484 for quality deer. There is sure to be more as this data comes from 2014 applicants so folks who ghost pointed are not included.
It really comes down to lots of hunters and few tags, but all the data suggests that the more points you have the better your odds. As unpopular as it will sound the system works.
I agree the system works. Is just sad to me that the meat hunters got screwed with the new category system. Before meat guys could draw every year or 2 but now everyone is putting in for those meat hunts because they have nothing to lose and vise versa with the quality guys having increased competition.
Its been said a bunch but there should be another poll option and that is to return back to the pre category system; just deer, elk, moose, goat, sheep... And increase the price of applications to fix the revenue problem.
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2015, 11:00:47 AM
Post by: grundy53 on May 30, 2015, 11:49:11 AM
AgreedFor the record by my count this year there are 1092 people with 15 or more points in quality elk and 484 for quality deer. There is sure to be more as this data comes from 2014 applicants so folks who ghost pointed are not included.
It really comes down to lots of hunters and few tags, but all the data suggests that the more points you have the better your odds. As unpopular as it will sound the system works.
I agree the system works. Is just sad to me that the meat hunters got screwed with the new category system. Before meat guys could draw every year or 2 but now everyone is putting in for those meat hunts because they have nothing to lose and vise versa with the quality guys having increased competition.
Its been said a bunch but there should be another poll option and that is to return back to the pre category system; just deer, elk, moose, goat, sheep... And increase the price of applications to fix the revenue problem.
Post by: Curly on May 31, 2015, 07:51:55 AM
I also don't like the idea of giving a percentage of permits to high point holders. I am sure that the majority of high point holders have always applied for the hardest to draw permits. That was their choice and a gamble to try for those permits. Then as bobcat pointed out, when the category system started, the guys with high points were practically gifted permits in the buck, bull, antlerless, over 65 categories (because of the point distribution into all categories).
Wdfw (Dave Ware in particular ) really screwed up with this "new" system. Sure it is a money maker, but they spent a ton of money creating and implementing it when it would have been better to just keep the old one and raise the application fees to gain more revenue. It would have been much better than this current system. Probably not a realistic option at this point to scrap this system but I don't think it's too late to eliminate some categories. :twocents:
Post by: grundy53 on May 31, 2015, 08:19:47 AM
Post by: elk247 on May 31, 2015, 08:56:02 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 31, 2015, 09:11:17 AM
Post by: adamR on May 31, 2015, 09:16:43 AM
Post by: adamR on May 31, 2015, 09:19:25 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 31, 2015, 09:24:58 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 31, 2015, 09:28:30 AM
What about a secondary draw? If, and only if, a person is drawn in multiple categories give them the choice of their favorite, they give up the other choices, their points for those categories are returned and all these surplus tags go into another draw. Have that other draw in like July and charge the permit application fee to apply for them. Wdfw makes more money, hunters don't have to sacrifice points for something they aren't going to hunt, and there are more opportunities across the board.I talked to them about that last year, the guy I was talking to about it said it cost too much to run another draw. But I disagreed with him saying the money would come back considering all the new applicant fee's. It's a great Idea and I'm with you 100%, it's a great way for them to collect more revenue and it will help solve the wasted tag issue.
Post by: Halo on May 31, 2015, 09:47:31 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 31, 2015, 10:13:26 AM
Post by: grundy53 on May 31, 2015, 10:14:29 AM
Remember when the regulations were about game management and opportunity and not purely about revenue and politics? Those were the days weren't they.Yup, the good ole days...
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 31, 2015, 11:04:46 AM
Post by: Curly on May 31, 2015, 11:38:57 AM
I suppose to some young guys, today will look like good old days to them in 20 years.
Post by: trophyhunt on June 01, 2015, 06:47:22 AM