Poll for changes to draw system, only 3 votes not 12.

[stevemiller]

so if you are still building points its taking every 4 years to get drawn again so if we have to sit 1 year out no point building we would maybe get drawn every 5 years.  I can live with that,Of course I realize that this is with lowered expectations on hunt choices.

[X-Force]

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I also agree with Steve in that if you haven't drawn a deer or elk permit in 20 years you need to start applying for some of the less popular hunts.
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I agree but... The multiple categories per species is unsustainable.

What was the point creep before multiple categories? What is it now?

[bobcat]

We don't have point creep because our system is not a preference point system. All we have is impossible odds.

[X-Force]

We don't have point creep because our system is not a preference point system. All we have is impossible odds.

We have impossible odds partially because of the multiple category system (in deer and elk) we also have a point creep because since the inception of the multiple category system the amount of people applying to every possible tag. 2008 Gardner rifle tag Nov 1-20  average points per permit recipient was 5, 2014 is 9 points. I don't have the old games regs on me but I can post up multiple similar comparisons tomorrow.

[Curly]

Thanks but no offense only a couple on here make any sense at all.I would like someone any one member to post a good way for the deadline and results to happen.I posted it long ago on here and nothing.I strongly feel that it is as I have stated There really is no better way or time.Also why is it so hard for anyone to show that they really do have 16-20 points in any category other than oil?Again I strongly feel its because as I have stated it is not true. 

I started a poll to see how many points people have going into the draws.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=175533.new#new

[KNOPHISH]

I kinda like if you get drawn for more than 1 you could return it & keep your points. or they could go the other way & say you got drawn for bull & cow tags they let you buy a 2nd tag since you just blew all your points.

[gee_unit360]

What's a max point holder? How many points? I didnt know it existed.

[bobcat]

What's a max point holder? How many points? I didnt know it existed.

That's just referring to the most points a person could have if they started applying from the beginning of the point system, which was 1996. So this year the maximum points you could have is 20.

[Jingles]

Did not see an option to just do away with special permit system except for OIL and the doing away with the ability to accumulate points from previous years for those OIL every year everyone that wants a chance has one ticket in the pool
Just open the seasons for everyone  You buy a license you can hunt until your tag is filled with any weapon during the respective seasons and no you don't have to declare what you want to hunt with.

[trophyhunt]

Did not see an option to just do away with special permit system except for OIL and the doing away with the ability to accumulate points from previous years for those OIL every year everyone that wants a chance has one ticket in the pool
Just open the seasons for everyone  You buy a license you can hunt until your tag is filled with any weapon during the respective seasons and no you don't have to declare what you want to hunt with.

There are a bunch of options, just can't put them all up. The option your talking about would be popular with hunters but wdfw will never give up this money machine they have made.  unfortunately most changes will have to not decrease revenue if any happen.  This poll is probably for nothing, but I will take these examples with me at the drawing  and try to pass them on, hopefully with an explanation about them, to the right person.  Who knows, maybe the new director will be there?  We need more numbers to show them, I'm not too sure 175 votes will impress them much.  I will probably leave out the number of votes and just show the percentages. 

[mfswallace]

Don't forget the last option was added after most people voted and we can't go back and pick it as one of our choices.....

[trophyhunt]

Don't forget the last option was added after most people voted and we can't go back and pick it as one of our choices.....

Yes, that will definitely be on the list.

[bobcat]

That last option would make odds for all deer and elk permits much worse, but at least it would make it worth applying in multiple categories. The WDFW might go along with it because they'd be sure to sell more applications. I might even think about applying in the bull category. This year I only applied for an antlerless elk permit. I applied for quality elk as well, but only for a point.

[X-Force]

I am amazed at the support for max point holders really, 25-50% of permits including oils going to them then everyone else draws? There are enough max point holders in moose, sheep, goat and elk that those people will be getting 25-50% of the permits for perpetuity. Meaning the there aren't enough permits to move down a level, say 20 down to 19, ever.

I'm not worried about the state taking the proposal seriously because it would alienate to many people but coming from guys complaining about a "fair" system its asinine.

[notsosneaky]

i feel like all the suggested changes won't have the impact you'd think.
For instance: I initially like the idea of a waiting period after you draw a quality tag.
The problem is, under the current system, the number of quality tags going to applicants with 1-3 points is around 15% for deer and elk. applicants with 1-3 points account for the highest percentage of people in the draw(greater percentage of people getting a lower percentage of tags)

If those tags go to applicants with 4 points or more then in three years that same greater number of people will be drawing the same percentage of the tags they are today. Then we will all cry "extend the wait to 5 years"

The more I think about it the more I want no changes. Every change has consequences that benefit some and hurt others. That said, I've always been in favor of a drawing only hunting season.