Post by: Curly on May 29, 2015, 07:42:47 AM
Post by: bowhunterforever on May 29, 2015, 07:48:04 AM
Post by: wheels on May 29, 2015, 07:51:15 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 29, 2015, 08:04:25 AM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on May 29, 2015, 08:40:30 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 29, 2015, 08:45:14 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on May 29, 2015, 09:00:13 AM
Post by: kentrek on May 29, 2015, 09:10:25 AM
This distribution will definitely be interesting
Post by: rackattack on May 29, 2015, 09:20:30 AM
Post by: Westside88 on May 29, 2015, 09:23:52 AM
in prepping and hunting to do the Oppurtunity justice, I go points option. When/if I get drawn I want to be able to go all in.
Post by: Bigshooter on May 29, 2015, 09:24:29 AM
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 29, 2015, 09:48:11 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 29, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
Post by: LabChamp on May 29, 2015, 09:59:08 AM
Post by: syoungs on May 29, 2015, 10:27:44 AM
Post by: mburrows on May 29, 2015, 10:54:37 AM
20 elk, 15 deer >:(wow...ur overdue
Post by: X-Force on May 29, 2015, 10:57:58 AM
20 elk, 15 deer >:(
what units do you put in for?
Post by: Tbar on May 29, 2015, 11:06:21 AM
Just 1 for elk for me, I guess I should start ghost hunting to accrue points, haven't ever put in for a deer tag draw.No reason to ghost point unless it's a east/west dilemma. Someone has to draw the tag and if you ghost point it eliminates you completely. Many great tags are drawn by low point holders. Good luck.
Post by: scottfrick on May 29, 2015, 12:14:48 PM
Post by: Antlershed on May 29, 2015, 12:44:34 PM
I also have 18 in "Bull Elk" FWIW... :chuckle:
Post by: Katmai Guy on May 29, 2015, 12:46:45 PM
Post by: 250savage on May 29, 2015, 02:24:36 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 29, 2015, 02:34:23 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on May 29, 2015, 02:44:49 PM
Post by: The scout on May 29, 2015, 02:49:43 PM
Post by: mp.hunter on May 29, 2015, 03:04:41 PM
18 elk, 14 deer
I also have 18 in "Bull Elk" FWIW... :chuckle:
Wow, hope you don't put in for both quality or bull, a guy did that a couple years back with 18 pts and drew both little naches rifle and teanaway rifle bull. I would hate to miss out on a good opportunity another year.
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Post by: Elk329 on May 29, 2015, 07:19:26 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 30, 2015, 08:25:57 AM
Post by: 3nails on May 30, 2015, 08:44:36 AM
20 quality bull, 20 bull, and 11 deer.Sheesh! I think I'd ghost the bull category until I drew Quality. Prolly what you're doin. After (or if) I draw out on my pts. I'm never applying in WA again. All that money will go out of state.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 30, 2015, 08:49:35 AM
That is what I have been doing, except this year they changed the dates on the muzzy permits in the blues so I ghosted my quality and went for my bull tag. And your comment about never applying again once you draw out, I've talked to a few guys that say the same thing, including myself. Except I will still put in for quality elk and deer, but I will only put in when I draw the multi season elk tag. Not waiting 20+ years again to hunt branched antler bulls, Idaho gets most my money!20 quality bull, 20 bull, and 11 deer.Sheesh! I think I'd ghost the bull category until I drew Quality. Prolly what you're doin. After (or if) I draw out on my pts. I'm never applying in WA again. All that money will go out of state.
Post by: Casey on June 01, 2015, 07:48:17 PM
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Post by: jeffitz on June 01, 2015, 08:04:19 PM
Post by: westside Elkhunter on June 01, 2015, 08:30:22 PM
Post by: stevemiller on June 01, 2015, 08:40:12 PM
20 quality bull, 20 bull, and 11 deer.where are you putting in for elk?Where are you putting in for deer?
Post by: SkookumHntr on June 01, 2015, 08:55:40 PM
im hoping about 100 other people had the same idea as you! ;)That is what I have been doing, except this year they changed the dates on the muzzy permits in the blues so I ghosted my quality and went for my bull tag. And your comment about never applying again once you draw out, I've talked to a few guys that say the same thing, including myself. Except I will still put in for quality elk and deer, but I will only put in when I draw the multi season elk tag. Not waiting 20+ years again to hunt branched antler bulls, Idaho gets most my money!20 quality bull, 20 bull, and 11 deer.Sheesh! I think I'd ghost the bull category until I drew Quality. Prolly what you're doin. After (or if) I draw out on my pts. I'm never applying in WA again. All that money will go out of state.
Post by: ghosthunter on June 01, 2015, 09:15:18 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on June 01, 2015, 09:36:03 PM
Post by: seaduckhunter on June 01, 2015, 09:54:11 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 02, 2015, 08:52:22 AM
not easy draw tags, blues for elk and the normal late rifle mule deer areas in the chelan area. Ghost points bull category till this year.20 quality bull, 20 bull, and 11 deer.where are you putting in for elk?Where are you putting in for deer?
Post by: Jingles on June 02, 2015, 02:13:48 PM
Zero
Don't have any and won't ever have any as I refuse to give in to wdfW and their screwing of the hunters just for more money while they continue to mismanage the game yet get those that are willing to play their game to continue year after year to pay for something that should be included in the license season
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 02, 2015, 02:46:36 PM
Post by: GUscottie on June 02, 2015, 02:55:32 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 02, 2015, 04:26:53 PM
Post by: Tbar on June 02, 2015, 04:49:48 PM
Trophy good luck on your draw. I think your chances are in the 10% range.
Post by: stevemiller on June 02, 2015, 04:55:14 PM
Post by: Jingles on June 02, 2015, 04:57:45 PM
Post by: GoPlayOutside on June 02, 2015, 05:02:35 PM
I still can't believe I haven't drawn a deer tag :bash:
Post by: trophyhunt on June 02, 2015, 05:11:56 PM
No offense but would you feel the same way if you were not going to be done buying these apps after you drew?No because if that many went to the highest point holders as was already said it would never come around to the guys that have say 15 points right now.Why because according to what a lot are saying 10s of 1000s of Washingtonians have 16-20 points right now.and with only a small % of tags the highest tag holders will never be the ones with 15 today. That being said,What number of points would you put into the highest points category or do you mean the actual highest number (20).All other numbers are not the highest point category until all others before them are gone?just want to have it right thats all.people will still apply if 25 or 50% of tags go to the highest point holders.
Post by: stevemiller on June 02, 2015, 05:45:50 PM
thanks
310 applied for quality in the blues
there were 70 tags
average points for those selected was 5.4 points
50 were selected as there 1st choice
20 were selected as their 2nd choice.From what I see there really is no need for 3rd or 4th choice so That part of the poll is just useless wont make any change.
70 tags put out average 5.4 points that puts 9040 names in the proverbial hat.
anyone that has more than the average points,say 17.has 289 names in the hat.Ok now thats 10 times the average.Yet still cant draw for that particular hunt.
There is a word for that, It is unlucky. lol unless i really do have it all figured wrong.
Post by: bobcat on June 02, 2015, 05:48:06 PM
But for as few permits that we have compared to the number of applicants, I like our system.
What I don't like is all the extra categories they added just so they could sell more applications. But I've gotten use to it and think I can live with it.
Post by: Tbar on June 02, 2015, 06:02:07 PM
I just looked at last years quality results.help me out here make sure i understand how the system works.There is no 3rd or 4th choices in quality
thanks
310 applied for quality in the blues
there were 70 tags
average points for those selected was 5.4 points
50 were selected as there 1st choice
20 were selected as their 2nd choice.From what I see there really is no need for 3rd or 4th choice so That part of the poll is just useless wont make any change.
70 tags put out average 5.4 points that puts 9040 names in the proverbial hat.
anyone that has more than the average points,say 17.has 289 names in the hat.Ok now thats 10 times the average.Yet still cant draw for that particular hunt.
There is a word for that, It is unlucky. lol unless i really do have it all figured wrong.
Post by: stevemiller on June 02, 2015, 06:05:59 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 02, 2015, 07:15:30 PM
Post by: Stein on June 02, 2015, 07:33:13 PM
Say there are 10 tags a year held for the highest points and highest points is 20. You won't ever burn through the 20's to get to the 19's or less. So, if you sit at 10 points today it is pretty much game over.
The high points system only works when there are enough tags to clear the high number every year. Sure, you get the one in a million chance of drawing the at-large tags, but your odds just went permanently down unless you have max points.
I honestly think WA has about the best system out there given the number of hunters vs animals.
Post by: trophyhunt on June 02, 2015, 07:44:19 PM
Post by: Harbor_hunter on June 02, 2015, 07:53:32 PM
Post by: Alan K on June 02, 2015, 08:03:17 PM
If you hold out tags for the highest points, it will make it literally impossible for anyone not in the top two or three points numbers to ever draw.
Say there are 10 tags a year held for the highest points and highest points is 20. You won't ever burn through the 20's to get to the 19's or less. So, if you sit at 10 points today it is pretty much game over.
The high points system only works when there are enough tags to clear the high number every year. Sure, you get the one in a million chance of drawing the at-large tags, but your odds just went permanently down unless you have max points.
I honestly think WA has about the best system out there given the number of hunters vs animals.
Agreed.
You guys are forgetting about the other 7 tags in my example with 10 permits. Only 3 tags in this option would go to the max point guys, the other 7 go to anyone, so how do you say your stuck forever?
Basically the 95%+ of people who apply will never have a chance at those top 3 tags. Those applicants and all future applicants would permanently have their draw odds cut by 30%. . . Just because someone applied for 2 or 3 more years when you're talking something like 20 vs 17 is hardly reason to doom everyone below with a 30% reduction permanently.
Post by: Ridgeratt on June 02, 2015, 08:04:29 PM
IT'S A LOTTERY FOLKS :chuckle:
Just a ticket in a game of chance to win.
Post by: Bigshooter on June 02, 2015, 08:19:50 PM
I'm sick of people thinking that pts equal tags in this state. If you want that system apply in CO.
Post by: Alan K on June 02, 2015, 08:27:49 PM
How about we choose between putting in for draw tags or getting an otc tag every year? If you had to make that choice what would you do?
That would be a tough choice. Probably depend on what I've draw in other states. BUT I'd rather not have to make that choice and just live with the current system.
Post by: Tbar on June 02, 2015, 08:30:48 PM
But we would bring true points creep into the equation as one more thing to complain about. We would also complain about how we(I) miss the old new points system and the old-old system and wish we could go back! :chuckle:If you hold out tags for the highest points, it will make it literally impossible for anyone not in the top two or three points numbers to ever draw.
Say there are 10 tags a year held for the highest points and highest points is 20. You won't ever burn through the 20's to get to the 19's or less. So, if you sit at 10 points today it is pretty much game over.
The high points system only works when there are enough tags to clear the high number every year. Sure, you get the one in a million chance of drawing the at-large tags, but your odds just went permanently down unless you have max points.
I honestly think WA has about the best system out there given the number of hunters vs animals.
Agreed.You guys are forgetting about the other 7 tags in my example with 10 permits. Only 3 tags in this option would go to the max point guys, the other 7 go to anyone, so how do you say your stuck forever?
Basically the 95%+ of people who apply will never have a chance at those top 3 tags. Those applicants and all future applicants would permanently have their draw odds cut by 30%. . . Just because someone applied for 2 or 3 more years when you're talking something like 20 vs 17 is hardly reason to doom everyone below with a 30% reduction permanently.
Post by: SkookumHntr on June 02, 2015, 08:39:05 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on June 02, 2015, 08:49:36 PM
I would like to see them bring back if you apply for special permits you can't hunt for 3 days after the opener!
I always liked that. Don't remember when it changed. Maybe 7 or 8 years ago?
Post by: SkookumHntr on June 02, 2015, 08:56:18 PM
Post by: stevemiller on June 02, 2015, 09:16:28 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 02, 2015, 09:44:11 PM
A little help please,I am trying to analyze this system a little bit.Would someone please get a number of all antler less elk apps. for east side?Someone do the same for west side? then the same for bull. thanks
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/results.php?Species=ELK
You can look here, it would be easy to get those numbers if you didn't want it for east and west. You'll probably need a calculator.
Post by: Bigshooter on June 02, 2015, 10:27:01 PM
More then that, I can't remember when it went away, seems like over 10years ago,
You're probably right.
Post by: huntnphool on June 02, 2015, 10:29:27 PM
Post by: huntnnw on June 02, 2015, 10:31:25 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 03, 2015, 05:40:10 AM
0 deer and 14 elk"0" cause you drew last year?? Any success?
Post by: Curly on June 03, 2015, 07:01:26 AM
More then that, I can't remember when it went away, seems like over 10years ago,
You're probably right.
I think it was over 20 years.........maybe closer to 30.
Post by: bobcat on June 03, 2015, 07:47:41 AM
Post by: huntnphool on June 03, 2015, 10:08:06 AM
0 deer and 14 elk"0" cause you drew last year?? Any success?
:tup:
Post by: trophyhunt on June 03, 2015, 10:09:01 AM
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Post by: face on June 03, 2015, 02:07:22 PM
Post by: stevemiller on June 04, 2015, 11:32:00 PM
Post by: bigbds61 on June 05, 2015, 01:01:57 PM
Post by: bigmacc on June 05, 2015, 04:31:32 PM
Post by: fastdam on June 06, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
Post by: The scout on June 06, 2015, 04:42:35 PM
Post by: The scout on June 06, 2015, 04:48:01 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 06, 2015, 04:52:37 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on June 06, 2015, 05:16:45 PM
if the max you can have is 20, how come there are so many people with more than twenty. all turned in poachers?yep!
Post by: stevemiller on June 06, 2015, 05:47:59 PM
if someone is really interested you can look tag by tag what amount each person applied with and witch ones drew the tag's. it's on the wdfw websiteIm interested in this,Could you point out where I can see exactly how many points an applicant used and was drawn?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 06, 2015, 06:15:09 PM
This is quality bullif someone is really interested you can look tag by tag what amount each person applied with and witch ones drew the tag's. it's on the wdfw websiteIm interested in this,Could you point out where I can see exactly how many points an applicant used and was drawn?
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2014category_points_qualityelk.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2014category_points_qualityelk.pdf)
This can get you to the others--click the pdfs.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2014.php (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2014.php)
Post by: stevemiller on June 06, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 06, 2015, 06:58:56 PM
Post by: stevemiller on June 06, 2015, 07:04:09 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 06, 2015, 07:26:10 PM
One reason I say that is because of group applications.
There is one hunt that has two permits, shows one application at 18 points, one application selected and two permits issued.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 06, 2015, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: stevemiller on June 06, 2015, 07:34:50 PM
Post by: stevemiller on June 06, 2015, 07:35:44 PM
You could also have a group of people that had 19 points in 2013 (maybe bonus) that didn't apply in 2014, but would in 2015. So, there could be some stragglers unaccounted for if trying to figure the pool for this year.agreed,but i still think we are relatively close.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 06, 2015, 07:45:00 PM
Post by: stevemiller on June 06, 2015, 09:05:22 PM
Post by: The scout on June 06, 2015, 09:32:10 PM
Post by: sticky on June 28, 2015, 12:44:01 PM