Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 02, 2015, 01:22:50 AM
American ingenuity at it's best. This is how to get around I-594
http://thebrigade.com/2012/12/06/diy-shovel-to-ak-47-50-photos/
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 02, 2015, 06:44:47 AM
Devil's advocate here. Even if you're doing it for your own use, is it legal to manufacture your own firearm without some special license? What about the requirement for a serial number?
Post by: luvmystang67 on June 02, 2015, 07:15:50 AM
Cool gun. He must be a pretty talented metal worker. :tup:
Devil's advocate here. Even if you're doing it for your own use, is it legal to manufacture your own firearm without some special license? What about the requirement for a serial number?
For personal use you are allowed to manufacture your own firearm. I believe this firearm is non-transferable. No serial number needed (hence the 80% lowers for ARs and 1911s). If you're at all interested, look into these. You'll spend several days.
Post by: 724wd on June 02, 2015, 07:20:01 AM
Cool gun. He must be a pretty talented metal worker. :tup:
Devil's advocate here. Even if you're doing it for your own use, is it legal to manufacture your own firearm without some special license? What about the requirement for a serial number?
For personal use you are allowed to manufacture your own firearm. I believe this firearm is non-transferable. No serial number needed (hence the 80% lowers for ARs and 1911s). If you're at all interested, look into these. You'll spend several days.
:yeah: lots of guys on http://militaryfirearm.com/Forum/index.php doing their own builds. a lot of it is REALLY cool stuff!
Post by: turbo on June 02, 2015, 07:41:19 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on June 02, 2015, 08:00:55 AM
Pretty cool but is anyone paying attention to 594? Not in my world.
I did see someone post on one of the buy/sell FB pages the other day that someone couldn't produce a CPL and was a felon and not to sell guns to them.
It was like a blast from the past... I was thinking "Why would someone be asked to show a CPL to buy a gun... it doesn't matter anymore."
So... I'm thinking there may be a pretty large world where it no longer matters. :twocents:
Post by: baker5150 on June 02, 2015, 08:06:53 AM
Pretty cool but is anyone paying attention to 594? Not in my world.
I did see someone post on one of the buy/sell FB pages the other day that someone couldn't produce a CPL and was a felon and not to sell guns to them.
It was like a blast from the past... I was thinking "Why would someone be asked to show a CPL to buy a gun... it doesn't matter anymore."
So... I'm thinking there may be a pretty large world where it no longer matters. :twocents:
I asked for CPL proof on a sale so I wasn't wasting my time or the FFL's time. If I ran into a guy trying to buy who couldn't I would've posted the same.
Post by: luvmystang67 on June 02, 2015, 08:11:03 AM
Pretty cool but is anyone paying attention to 594? Not in my world.
I did see someone post on one of the buy/sell FB pages the other day that someone couldn't produce a CPL and was a felon and not to sell guns to them.
It was like a blast from the past... I was thinking "Why would someone be asked to show a CPL to buy a gun... it doesn't matter anymore."
So... I'm thinking there may be a pretty large world where it no longer matters. :twocents:
I asked for CPL proof on a sale so I wasn't wasting my time or the FFL's time. If I ran into a guy trying to buy who couldn't I would've posted the same.
Valid. I can see that. I guess I just assumed the worst first.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 02, 2015, 08:20:05 AM
Cool gun. He must be a pretty talented metal worker. :tup:
Devil's advocate here. Even if you're doing it for your own use, is it legal to manufacture your own firearm without some special license? What about the requirement for a serial number?
Yes it is legal to manufacture your own with two reasons. #1, If you are legal to own and posses, than your are legal to manufacture. #2, If you manufacture your own firearm, The ATF wants you to keep it forever. Because of no serial, you are not supposed to ever sell it. The gray area is can you trade it for something?
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 02, 2015, 08:23:27 AM
http://ak-builder.com/
Post by: NW-GSP on June 02, 2015, 10:31:48 AM
Here is an easier way to build your own AK47. EVERYTHING you need is right here on this web site.
http://ak-builder.com/
I would really like to build my own at some point.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 02, 2015, 12:36:29 PM
Here is an easier way to build your own AK47. EVERYTHING you need is right here on this web site.
http://ak-builder.com/
I would really like to build my own at some point.
When you get a kit of your choice and what is called a flat for that kit, let me know. I have all the tooling required to put it together. From start to finish, it would take 2 or 3 hours. Then you can test fire. BTW, a flat is the receiver that has not been bent yet. There are certain flats for certain kits. If you need help making a choice, I can help with that also.
Post by: NW-GSP on June 02, 2015, 12:55:01 PM
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Post by: NW-GSP on June 02, 2015, 05:54:17 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 02, 2015, 06:33:56 PM
Grainfedmuley I tried to pm you but your in box Is full
I did not realize my inbox was full. Made some room for some PM's.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on June 02, 2015, 06:39:52 PM
Post by: lamrith on June 02, 2015, 08:07:11 PM
Here is an easier way to build your own AK47. EVERYTHING you need is right here on this web site.Cool link!
http://ak-builder.com/
Have you ever heard of an AK receiver that is welded and not formed? IE it is 4 precut sides that you weld together? A guy at work mentioned having seen that before...
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 03, 2015, 07:11:58 AM
All we are missing are the 59.00 AMD 65 kits that Tapco was selling years ago, and those had barrels.
You will never see those prices ever again. The very first kit I bought was a Romanian "G" series kit for $130.00. Because of the demand, the kits hover around the $400.00-$450.00 range. And that is the easiest way to build if it has the factory barrel. Several years ago, the ATF made a rule that all the remaining kits that came into the country had to have the barrels cut so you were forced to buy an American made barrel. Your going to pay a little more if you find a kit with a factory barrel.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 03, 2015, 07:24:06 AM
Here is an easier way to build your own AK47. EVERYTHING you need is right here on this web site.Cool link!
http://ak-builder.com/
Have you ever heard of an AK receiver that is welded and not formed? IE it is 4 precut sides that you weld together? A guy at work mentioned having seen that before...
Yes I have seen those receivers. I would stay away from them. The sheet metal is pretty thin and you can burn holes in it trying to weld. Plus you have to weld them perfectly square and they end result is they are not as strong. IMO, it is easier to bend one than it is to try and weld one. The very first AK's were made from a single piece of block metal and were machined to spec. Then like every country to save money they started to make receivers out of sheet metal and hydraulicly stamp it into form to make the receiver. So you either have a machined or stamped receivers. The first AK was made in 1947, hence AK-47. The newer smaller bullet of 5.45x39 was made in 1974. Hence AK-74. The Russians developed this caliber to match our .223 caliber. The newer caliber is a lot lighter to carry a couple of hundred rounds than the older 7.62x39.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 03, 2015, 07:27:46 AM
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These are my very first three builds
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 03, 2015, 08:39:28 AM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=413355&d=1431791807
Post by: Fishnclifff on June 03, 2015, 09:53:47 AM
History never changes.
Post by: Stein on June 03, 2015, 12:55:03 PM
Isn't this like what our founding fathers did, when the British took away guns and metal to make guns?
History never changes.
Not quite, I believe they rounded up the militia and shot them up a fair amount on their way to and back from confiscating the powder.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 03, 2015, 01:06:28 PM
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These are my very first three builds
Did you actually machine the parts like this guy with the shovel? If so, those are really impressive.
Post by: NW-GSP on June 03, 2015, 01:24:47 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 03, 2015, 01:38:26 PM
You can buy kits that start with a flat piece of sheet metal that you have to bend and heat treat.
But that piece of sheet metal, already has all of the hole and cut outs done for you. Then you bend it. You only have to heat treat 4 holes. The hammer pin holes and the trigger pin holes. That is what is called a flat.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 03, 2015, 01:43:18 PM
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These are my very first three builds
Did you actually machine the parts like this guy with the shovel? If so, those are really impressive.
I made the receivers. All the other parts were in the military surplus parts kit. I do not have a machine to make barrels, bolts, triggers, etc. A complete kits comes with all those pieces. Then you assemble them on the receiver you just made. I have dreams about owning a CNC machine. Then I could make all the other parts except the barrel. I would need a specific machine for the rifling to do that.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 03, 2015, 01:44:25 PM
Post by: Miles on June 03, 2015, 03:58:19 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 03, 2015, 05:03:44 PM
I would be doing a little research before offering to help anyone build a gun, especially after I594. It's perfectly acceptable to build your own... key words being "build your own". There have been cases where people were having others finish the 80% lowers for them, and it didn't work out so well for either party.
Do you understand "help build"? I am not building anything for anybody. That requires a gunsmith license. There is no law when it comes to assisting or helping another individual build there own. Is there a law for being a coach of a soccer team. The coach is not playing the game for the player. He is assisting or coaching. So chicken little, keep watching if the sky is going to fall. You do your own research and build your own, because I will not help you.
Post by: Miles on June 03, 2015, 05:07:52 PM
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Post by: Stein on June 03, 2015, 05:39:11 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=10982758&postcount=1
Post by: NW-GSP on June 03, 2015, 06:04:25 PM
People have had visits from ATF for letting people use their mills to finish lowers. Big boy rules here, just being friendly.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=10982758&postcount=1
That is still different then building a AK with someone guiding you while you do everything yourself. The situation you posted was that they were charging for the use and even then I would still have to say that the ATF still could not do anything as long as the owner of the lower was doing ALL of the work to complete the lower.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 03, 2015, 07:13:39 PM
People have had visits from ATF for letting people use their mills to finish lowers. Big boy rules here, just being friendly.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=10982758&postcount=1
You are talking apples and oranges. A pre programed CNC machine for completeing an AR is not same thing. Somebody with the knowledge, has to program the CNC machine. Building an AK does not require a CNC machine. Plus your example is from the republic of California. A whole different set of rules. In my case that you are trying to bunk, there is no CNC programing involved. For that matter, there are tons of how to videos on you tube. If somebody uses my tooling and uses the info from you tube. Is you tube in violation? I am not sure what you are trying to prove here? All across the country, there have been AK build parties. Check out the "AKforums.com or "The akfiles.com" or even AR-15.com and the AK section and read there build forums. This is nothing new. It has been going on for a several years. If you decide to build your own, you better think about sooner than later. Since the states are taking away the private sale thing. The next target will be home manufacturing. They antis will not stop until they take your second amendment rights away. Once the second amendment is gone, the US constitution means nothing. How can you defend the constitution with out a second amendment? If you are so scared about building or helping someone build, you have already given in to the antis. I am not breaking any local or federal laws.
Post by: NW-GSP on June 04, 2015, 07:13:49 AM