Post by: baldopepper on July 10, 2015, 12:50:30 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 10, 2015, 01:10:26 PM
Post by: mountainman on July 10, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 10, 2015, 01:17:38 PM
Sportsmans policy. is to retain the firearm until they actually hear back from LE.
I wouldn't ever buy a gun from them again.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 10, 2015, 01:17:46 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 10, 2015, 01:19:01 PM
Sportsmans policy. is to retain the firearm until they actually hear back from LE.
I wouldn't ever buy a gun from them again.
Or anything else for that matter!!!
Post by: baldopepper on July 10, 2015, 01:20:49 PM
Post by: HighlandLofts on July 10, 2015, 07:01:20 PM
I bought a gun off of Gunbroker a couple of years ago and had it shipped to Norpoint. I checked there five days after it was shiped out through the post office, They said they didn't recieve it, I checked every few day for three weeksand the reply was the same. They didn't recieve it.
I called the guy I bought it from and got his reciept number, he didn't pay for tracking. I went to the post office in Smokey Point and gave them the reciept number, they gave me a print out with all of the information from when it was excepted, when it was sent in transit, where it passed though and when it arrived at the Smokey Point Post Office and the date & time it was delivered which was about four days after iy was shipped.
It took four of them there a couple of days to find the gun in one of thier safes. After these two incidences I'll never ship or recieve a firearm there again.
Post by: mountainman on July 10, 2015, 10:41:38 PM
So if for some reason, the agency does not reply, they would just keep it?correct. they're policy is to wait until they get a definite OK from the feds before they release a firearm..
Post by: Trapmark on July 11, 2015, 08:52:29 AM
Post by: baldopepper on July 11, 2015, 09:13:20 AM
Post by: Band on July 11, 2015, 09:58:29 AM
Post by: baldopepper on July 11, 2015, 10:10:51 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 11, 2015, 10:11:01 AM
I've asked them a couple of times. First time I was told rather bluntly that if I had'nt been called they hadn't received it back. Second time I was told that yes, it was submitted and if I had any question I should call the Tacoma Police Department and ask them what the hold up was. I'm not overly impressed with them, can't say they've been overly rude, but they certainly haven't gone one bit out of the way to be helpful. Even at a very reasonable ad price I can't say I would recommend purchasing from them to anyone.
Having been told that, did you follow-up with a call to Tacoma PD to see if there was an issue on their part?
Post by: MP123 on July 11, 2015, 10:17:44 AM
But I haven't bought a pistol in a while either. Do they have to get an approval from local PD now too?
Post by: baldopepper on July 11, 2015, 10:19:25 AM
Post by: grundy53 on July 11, 2015, 11:39:15 AM
:yeah:Sportsmans policy. is to retain the firearm until they actually hear back from LE.
I wouldn't ever buy a gun from them again.
Or anything else for that matter!!!
Post by: grundy53 on July 11, 2015, 11:40:47 AM
That's ridiculous. After ten days they should release it. Just like everyone else. The Feds don't need any help stifling our second amendment rights.So if for some reason, the agency does not reply, they would just keep it?correct. they're policy is to wait until they get a definite OK from the feds before they release a firearm..
Post by: mountainman on July 11, 2015, 01:52:31 PM
Post by: jrebel on July 11, 2015, 02:00:03 PM
Easiest way to avoid this in the future is to get your CPL. Then there will be no delay. :tup:
Post by: Scvette on July 11, 2015, 02:03:06 PM
Post by: hiway_99 on July 11, 2015, 10:34:32 PM
Post by: Scvette on July 11, 2015, 10:41:36 PM
You can still get a delay with a cpl. I have a cpl and still have never been able to take home a new purchase the same day. This includes long guns for me also.
Get a UPIN,that's what I did,just haven't bought a gun since I got it. It's supposed to stop a delay.
Post by: ghosthunter on July 11, 2015, 11:11:27 PM
Bought the first hand gun sold by sportsman in Burlington when they opened up.
Now days there are so many folks looking to place blame , I can understand why stores might not want to deliver without a ok through nics even in they could.
Why would any business take the chance?
If you don't like it walk away. Buy some where else.
Post by: HighlandLofts on July 11, 2015, 11:25:43 PM
The State paper that you fill out gets sent to your local law enforcement, I've never heard of them delaying a sale based upon that form. Maybe Tacome does it different, If so maybe it's time to get the hell out of Dodge.
One thing about the UPIN Number, every time they call the NICS Check in I get 100% "Prodeed"
When they electronically file the NICS Check I get a 100% "DELAY"
If the store only does electronic NICS Check I pass on buying guns from them. If they can't take a few minutes of thier time to call it in and save me an hour or more of drive time by comeing back to pick up my gun, they can go pound salt.
On my way though Fife I use to stop by Sportco and snoop, No on I'll pass them up because of this. When ever I stoped in Sportco I would drop any where from $25 to $150 on other items, Ammo, Fishing Supplies, Cloths.
They can kiss that cash good bye. I'm going to call them and tell them this tomorrow.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on July 11, 2015, 11:49:58 PM
:yeah:Sportsmans policy. is to retain the firearm until they actually hear back from LE.
I wouldn't ever buy a gun from them again.
Or anything else for that matter!!!
I will spend my money at Sportsman's well before I give a single penny to Dick's sporting goods. I think you are just getting bad customer service from who ever you are dealing with. Here is my thought on your delay that nobody else has thought about. They ran a sale on a handgun for a good price. They quite possibly sold all there stock of the gun and might be waiting for the manufacturer to send more. My guess is they don't have a gun they promised you. From a dealer or FFL, if you do not have a CPL, the standard 5 day wait is all that is required. That is a state law, but the local PD should not be involved. It is a Federal check not a local check. My hunch is they do not have a gun to sell you at the moment.
Post by: HighlandLofts on July 12, 2015, 07:49:28 AM
Your right on about Dick's Golf Sales, they can pound salt as well.
I was born & raised where Dick's started out, They hada small Army & Navy Staore and was a great place to shop for guns & fishing items. Once they started growing they changed and started catering to golf, ball sports and sneakers. They are a spineless group for a retailer.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on July 12, 2015, 08:04:13 AM
If that's the case then Sportco should be up front with the guy. It's time to complain to the Store Manager about this problem.
Your right on about Dick's Golf Sales, they can pound salt as well.
I was born & raised where Dick's started out, They hada small Army & Navy Staore and was a great place to shop for guns & fishing items. Once they started growing they changed and started catering to golf, ball sports and sneakers. They are a spineless group for a retailer.
He is dealing with the Sportsman's Warehouse not Sportco. After Dick's pulled all of there AR-15's after the Sandy Hook deal to try and appease the majority. It was game over at that point. It was a purly political move on there part. No back bone at all.
Post by: Huntboy on July 12, 2015, 08:16:50 AM
It's worth getting.
Post by: Igottanewknee on July 12, 2015, 09:33:29 AM
I've had my CPL for 25 years and have always left with my purchase the same day.I've had mine for 15 years and have been delayed every time but once..... Pistol and rifle.... And my name is not common where I might be confused with someone else. :bash: :bash:
It's worth getting.
Post by: grundy53 on July 12, 2015, 09:43:24 AM
I have the same problem.I've had my CPL for 25 years and have always left with my purchase the same day.I've had mine for 15 years and have been delayed every time but once..... Pistol and rifle.... And my name is not common where I might be confused with someone else. :bash: :bash:
It's worth getting.
Post by: Bob33 on July 12, 2015, 09:52:22 AM
Post by: grundy53 on July 12, 2015, 12:42:57 PM
Post by: HighlandLofts on July 12, 2015, 09:51:31 PM
I think that of all the guns I've purchase in my life I've been put on a hold all but two of them. Literally only twice have I walked out of the store with the gun the same day. I need a UPIN.
The numbers to call for a UPIN Application are:
1-877-324-6427
304-625-0535
Here is thier web site:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/appeals/nics-appeals-process/nics-appeal-frequently-asked-questions
When you call they get the application right out in the mail.
They will send you the application along with a finger print card, I went to the Arlington Ploice Department to have them done. The cost was $10 for them to do the finger prints. They only do them a couple times a week I can't remember what days they do them. You police department will be different and maybe they'll do them for free.
Fill out the application and mail it to them. It took three months and four days to get my UPIN number from the day I mailed out the completed application. The UPIN was free other then the $10 for the finger print card to be done.
I just put the numbers & letters in the UPIN box on the NICS Form and tell the clerk that you have a UPIN Number. They have to let the people at the NICS place know that you have the UPIN Number. They do the first part of the NICS Check then they get put on hold for a few moments for further review. When the second person from NICS gets back on the phone you'll get your procced.
When ever they do the NICS Check electronically I've been delayed, When they call it in I got 100% PROCEED.
I buy a lot of guns and I have them call the NICS Check in when ever I buy a gun anymore. If they don't want to call it in, I'll skip on buying what ever gun they have that I was interested in.
Been there, Done that.
If you have any questions about the UPIN stuff feel free to send me a PM and I'll answer your questions. I've had my UPIN NUmber for over a year and have bought atleast forty guns since I recieved it.
Cabelas is the only place that wants to actualy see the form from the FBI with your UPIN Number. All of the other places I just put the number in the box and tell them about it.
I keep a copy of my UPIN in the car and I keep a copy of it in the truck just in case I stop by Cabela's and see a used gun that I want to buy.
I also have a Class 3 FFL License, C&R Permit. I keep a couple copies of this permit in the car & truck as well. You never know when you'll run across a C&R gun you might want to buy.
The C&R Permit is a whole other thread, if any one's interested about information on this let's open a C&R Permit thread.
Post by: grundy53 on July 13, 2015, 04:47:35 AM
Thank you.I think that of all the guns I've purchase in my life I've been put on a hold all but two of them. Literally only twice have I walked out of the store with the gun the same day. I need a UPIN.
The numbers to call for a UPIN Application are:
1-877-324-6427
304-625-0535
Here is thier web site:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/appeals/nics-appeals-process/nics-appeal-frequently-asked-questions
When you call they get the application right out in the mail.
They will send you the application along with a finger print card, I went to the Arlington Ploice Department to have them done. The cost was $10 for them to do the finger prints. They only do them a couple times a week I can't remember what days they do them. You police department will be different and maybe they'll do them for free.
Fill out the application and mail it to them. It took three months and four days to get my UPIN number from the day I mailed out the completed application. The UPIN was free other then the $10 for the finger print card to be done.
I just put the numbers & letters in the UPIN box on the NICS Form and tell the clerk that you have a UPIN Number. They have to let the people at the NICS place know that you have the UPIN Number. They do the first part of the NICS Check then they get put on hold for a few moments for further review. When the second person from NICS gets back on the phone you'll get your procced.
When ever they do the NICS Check electronically I've been delayed, When they call it in I got 100% PROCEED.
I buy a lot of guns and I have them call the NICS Check in when ever I buy a gun anymore. If they don't want to call it in, I'll skip on buying what ever gun they have that I was interested in.
Been there, Done that.
If you have any questions about the UPIN stuff feel free to send me a PM and I'll answer your questions. I've had my UPIN NUmber for over a year and have bought atleast forty guns since I recieved it.
Cabelas is the only place that wants to actualy see the form from the FBI with your UPIN Number. All of the other places I just put the number in the box and tell them about it.
I keep a copy of my UPIN in the car and I keep a copy of it in the truck just in case I stop by Cabela's and see a used gun that I want to buy.
I also have a Class 3 FFL License, C&R Permit. I keep a couple copies of this permit in the car & truck as well. You never know when you'll run across a C&R gun you might want to buy.
The C&R Permit is a whole other thread, if any one's interested about information on this let's open a C&R Permit thread.
Post by: baldopepper on July 14, 2015, 01:00:50 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on July 14, 2015, 01:17:35 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 14, 2015, 01:24:54 PM
Post by: baldopepper on July 14, 2015, 01:27:46 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on July 14, 2015, 01:30:22 PM
I believe here in Washington, if it is a long gun, then that is all that is needed, but I recall reading somewhere (maybe on here) that handgun sales are also ran through the local law enforcement agency...
I did not realize that. I have never purchased a handgun over the counter and probably never will.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on July 14, 2015, 01:32:43 PM
Guess I'm not totally sure how the system works, but I don't believe the store does any background check. Paperwork is submitted to the LE in the county or municipality that you live in and they do the check and give final approval. While a store does not legally have to wait , I think, after 10 days it is Sportsmans Warehouse policy to not release a gun without LE approval of the transaction. They told me the initial paperwork expires after 30 days so I would have to resubmit. My biggest complaint is why they couldn't call me at like the 28 or 29th day and let me know they had nothing back and they were placing the gun back on the rack.
Then why do most independent gun shops and FFL holders at gun shows have the capability to do instant Federal checks without going through a local LEO?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 14, 2015, 01:36:06 PM
I believe here in Washington, if it is a long gun, then that is all that is needed, but I recall reading somewhere (maybe on here) that handgun sales are also ran through the local law enforcement agency...
I am not 100% sure about this, so if somebody out there with more knowledge that knows for sure can chime, I am sure we would all appreciate it.
I did not realize that. I have never purchased a handgun over the counter and probably never will.
Post by: baldopepper on July 14, 2015, 01:42:55 PM
Guess I'm not totally sure how the system works, but I don't believe the store does any background check. Paperwork is submitted to the LE in the county or municipality that you live in and they do the check and give final approval. While a store does not legally have to wait , I think, after 10 days it is Sportsmans Warehouse policy to not release a gun without LE approval of the transaction. They told me the initial paperwork expires after 30 days so I would have to resubmit. My biggest complaint is why they couldn't call me at like the 28 or 29th day and let me know they had nothing back and they were placing the gun back on the rack.I'm sure there's been threads on it, but I can't honestly say I'm sure how the system works. Thought I knew enough to make a fairly simple purchase, but I guess not.
Then why do most independent gun shops and FFL holders at gun shows have the capability to do instant Federal checks without going through a local LEO?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 14, 2015, 02:08:40 PM
Post by: pashok23 on July 14, 2015, 03:16:20 PM
Checked my name,payed.And i was on my way
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 14, 2015, 03:41:21 PM
Just purchased a Remington 700 in 300 win from Sportman warehouse few days ago and had no problem at all with transaction.
Checked my name,payed.And i was on my way
That is a rifle, this is about waiting period/ background checks on handguns, whole different breed of cat.
Section "B" appears to address the local law enforcement's role in the background check for handgun purchases:
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.090
(b) The dealer is notified in writing by the chief of police or the sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the purchaser resides that the purchaser is eligible to possess a pistol under RCW 9.41.040 and that the application to purchase is approved by the chief of police or sheriff; or
Although "C" seems to imply that it can be released at the end of all hold periods if they do not reply...kinda looks like' no news is good news??
(c) The requirements or time periods in RCW 9.41.092 have been satisfied.
Post by: baldopepper on July 14, 2015, 03:51:12 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 14, 2015, 03:54:49 PM
Post by: grundy53 on July 14, 2015, 05:48:50 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 14, 2015, 05:54:43 PM
Post by: HighlandLofts on July 14, 2015, 09:22:44 PM
This is something that sounds off beat. If that's the way they sell handguns I can't see people willing to go through thier hassle when you can shop else where and buy your gun & take it home right with you if you have a CPLor right after the waiting period.
Post by: mountainman on July 14, 2015, 10:02:34 PM
Post by: grundy53 on July 15, 2015, 05:02:30 AM
Get a CCP and that will prevent a delay usually. like it or not, firearms do not get into the hands of someone prohibited from owning as a result of their policy..No it won't. I've had a cpl for years. Still get a delay every time. A cpl only lets you skip the waiting period and local stuff. It sounds like it also keeps firearms out of lawful citizens hands.
Post by: HighlandLofts on July 15, 2015, 06:09:18 AM
Post by: mountainman on July 15, 2015, 06:42:20 AM
read above the word "uually". not sure what you mean by keeping a handgun out of lawfull citizens hands??Get a CCP and that will prevent a delay usually. like it or not, firearms do not get into the hands of someone prohibited from owning as a result of their policy..No it won't. I've had a cpl for years. Still get a delay every time. A cpl only lets you skip the waiting period and local stuff. It sounds like it also keeps firearms out of lawful citizens hands.
Post by: grundy53 on July 15, 2015, 12:10:31 PM
read above the word "uually". not sure what you mean by keeping a handgun out of lawfull citizens hands??Get a CCP and that will prevent a delay usually. like it or not, firearms do not get into the hands of someone prohibited from owning as a result of their policy..No it won't. I've had a cpl for years. Still get a delay every time. A cpl only lets you skip the waiting period and local stuff. It sounds like it also keeps firearms out of lawful citizens hands.
If a lawful citizen gets delayed and he waits the legal amount of time and you still don't give it to him then you are keeping the gun out of a lawful citizen's hands. Even the law says you can give it to him so therefore your company is choosing to do this on their own.
Post by: mountainman on July 15, 2015, 12:39:43 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 15, 2015, 12:44:48 PM
In the last year I bought atlest twenty-five handguns from dealers that had to go through the NICS check, Immediately after the "PROCEED" from the FBI I paid & brought home the handgun. I do have a CPL. You fill out the paperwork that gets sent in to your local law enforcement and they send that in.
This is something that sounds off beat. If that's the way they sell handguns I can't see people willing to go through thier hassle when you can shop else where and buy your gun & take it home right with you if you have a CPLor right after the waiting period.
I'd wager it's their policy because it's more important to them to sell to legal gun owners slowly than it is to sell lots of guns fast.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 15, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
Post by: pashok23 on July 15, 2015, 10:15:14 PM
I understand.Some people cant even do that with buying a long gun.Just purchased a Remington 700 in 300 win from Sportman warehouse few days ago and had no problem at all with transaction.
Checked my name,payed.And i was on my way
That is a rifle, this is about waiting period/ background checks on handguns, whole different breed of cat.
Section "B" appears to address the local law enforcement's role in the background check for handgun purchases:
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.090
(b) The dealer is notified in writing by the chief of police or the sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the purchaser resides that the purchaser is eligible to possess a pistol under RCW 9.41.040 and that the application to purchase is approved by the chief of police or sheriff; or
Although "C" seems to imply that it can be released at the end of all hold periods if they do not reply...kinda looks like' no news is good news??
(c) The requirements or time periods in RCW 9.41.092 have been satisfied.
Post by: baldopepper on July 24, 2015, 09:05:02 AM
Post by: follow maggie on July 24, 2015, 11:27:49 PM
Post by: Scvette on July 24, 2015, 11:37:06 PM
What's a upin number?
Unique personal identification number.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on July 25, 2015, 04:32:02 AM
What's a upin number?
Unique personal identification number.
What is the reason for having one?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 25, 2015, 08:08:32 AM
Get a CCP and that will prevent a delay usually. like it or not, firearms do not get into the hands of someone prohibited from owning as a result of their policy..
Explain that to the criminals....
Post by: mountainman on July 25, 2015, 09:48:20 AM
??Get a CCP and that will prevent a delay usually. like it or not, firearms do not get into the hands of someone prohibited from owning as a result of their policy..
Explain that to the criminals....
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 25, 2015, 11:58:22 AM
??Get a CCP and that will prevent a delay usually. like it or not, firearms do not get into the hands of someone prohibited from owning as a result of their policy..
Explain that to the criminals....
Criminals don't care about any policy is what I meant... :tup:
Post by: mountainman on July 25, 2015, 01:28:54 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 25, 2015, 01:57:17 PM
understood..but they won't be getting a gun from Sportsmanswarehouse. I have seen handguns that were let go after 5 days, only to see a "denied" response 2 weeks later from LE! their untimeliness to process check allowed a weapon to an inelligible person..Sportsmans policy prevents that from happaning
10-4
Post by: hoytem on August 07, 2015, 09:26:55 AM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on August 07, 2015, 09:56:54 AM