Post by: wolfbait on July 13, 2015, 07:20:28 AM
http://www.king5.com/story/tech/science/environment/2015/07/11/wolves-cougars-hunt-wildlife-petition/29999553/
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 13, 2015, 07:31:52 AM
Post by: Axle on July 13, 2015, 07:47:05 AM
I know cougars kill wolves on a regular basis but I've never heard of a wolf killing a cougar :dunno:
Anyone ever seen or heard of that happening?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on July 13, 2015, 08:02:52 AM
The WDFW doesn't have an accurate cougar population estimate. How are they supposed to know what 12-14% of the population is for a harvest quota???
It doesn't have to do with wolves. It has to do with cougar conflict, which has been an issue lately.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 13, 2015, 08:28:41 AM
This is obvious crap.
The WDFW doesn't have an accurate cougar population estimate. How are they supposed to know what 12-14% of the population is for a harvest quota???
It doesn't have to do with wolves. It has to do with cougar conflict, which has been an issue lately.
So, did King5 get it wrong or did the WDFW get it wrong?
Post by: AspenBud on July 13, 2015, 09:05:38 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 13, 2015, 09:08:55 AM
Post by: AspenBud on July 13, 2015, 09:13:53 AM
Well, they're going to try and tie their hands no matter what. The only thing that changes with the appointment of pro-wolf groups to the WAG and the Commission is the pre-warning their organizations get of management and/or lethal control moves by the agency.
Yes, but if part of the mission of WDFW is to manage wildlife they are going to have to take steps to do so, some of which are not very palatable, when people demand one species gets protection over all others. It's a chess piece I would move if I were them (WDFW) trying to make a point about wolves to the pro wolf crowd.
You don't want, at minimum, problem wolves shot in problem areas? That's fine, all other predators can suffer for that then.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 13, 2015, 09:18:17 AM
Post by: wolfbait on July 13, 2015, 09:43:10 AM
Look at the LoLo elk herd, and ask yourself how long will it be before WDFW admits that some of Washington's game herd's are plummeting do to wolf predation?
Post by: jasnt on July 19, 2015, 09:28:06 PM
I think the bottom line here is there are too many predators with the wolf thrown into the mix>Killing a few more cougar actually makes WDFW look like they care about the ungulates.I fear it will be too late since they don't even do accurate counts just estamations. Ex specially in the NE where there is no feed stations. I agree that this does make wdfw look like they do care some what. I think we need to take more black bear as well. OTC spring bear tags and 8-1 opener state wide would be a good start. I think they need to up cougar quotas and not count juvinial cats towards the quota.
Look at the LoLo elk herd, and ask yourself how long will it be before WDFW admits that some of Washington's game herd's are plummeting do to wolf predation?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 19, 2015, 09:44:19 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on July 19, 2015, 11:24:15 PM
Post by: mfswallace on July 20, 2015, 12:02:23 AM
Post by: Special T on July 20, 2015, 12:25:58 AM
Post by: Humptulips on July 20, 2015, 12:27:05 AM
......and some thought Unsworthless would be good for our WDFW. Told ya.........he's a wolf lover.
So because he doesn't object to an increase in the cougar quota he is pro-wolf. Not really following your line of reasoning.
Post by: Special T on July 20, 2015, 12:30:24 AM
......and some thought Unsworthless would be good for our WDFW. Told ya.........he's a wolf lover.
So because he doesn't object to an increase in the cougar quota he is pro-wolf. Not really following your line of reasoning.
I think you could say that doubling the quota only gives the impression of doing something about predators in general but solves nothing.
Post by: jasnt on July 20, 2015, 05:00:57 AM
Funny that they are clamoring for good science on cougars now. They didn't do that over the baiting or hound laws... I have to ask what good will it do to "double" the quota since there weren't that many places that actually reached the quota last year anyway? If they want to kill more Cougs then perhaps they need to lengthen the season farther into the winter, Lower the tags price, OR offer up the old combo of adding bear and cougar to just deer or elk. Its pretty disingenuous to say they are doing something about the problem IMO ONLY by "doubling" the quota... :twocents:my area gets closed every year in January
Post by: Whitpirate on July 20, 2015, 07:08:30 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 20, 2015, 07:12:48 AM
......and some thought Unsworthless would be good for our WDFW. Told ya.........he's a wolf lover.
So because he doesn't object to an increase in the cougar quota he is pro-wolf. Not really following your line of reasoning.
He should allow a season of wolves is what I mean. That is the problem, but WDFW skirts around the problem that is the new killer in our neighborhood, the wolf. They cut the cougar seasons in the best cat areas in Washington State for what reason ? We have a lot of cougar problems that is never, ever reported in the news or to anybody else.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 20, 2015, 07:22:56 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 20, 2015, 07:27:39 AM
Sorry Campmeat, a wolf season in WA may never happen. When you have a wildlife commission over carrying capacity with wolf lovers and the WAG infected with anti-hunting groups, a hunting season is unlikely, at least anytime soon. I believe it was Dave Ware who said at the Spokane WAG meeting that "WA has a different political climate" in reference to what ID and MT have done with wolves.
I know. It will never happen.
Post by: Special T on July 20, 2015, 08:45:31 AM
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Post by: jasnt on July 20, 2015, 09:55:42 AM
Jasnt o dont have the numbers in front of me but if memory serves it qas aomethong like 8 gmu's reached the quoata and most were in the NE. It will help those units but doea nothing everywhere else.
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Yes I agree. I was referring to my area as I have no knowlage of the rest of the state. But here in NE was we have the beginnings of a bad predator pit. We need to get control of these predators ( cougar, bear, and wolves) before it's too late
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 20, 2015, 10:42:20 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 20, 2015, 10:45:59 AM
I don't know meat, they might have wolf AND cougar quotas to help the grizzlies. :tung:Sorry Campmeat, a wolf season in WA may never happen. When you have a wildlife commission over carrying capacity with wolf lovers and the WAG infected with anti-hunting groups, a hunting season is unlikely, at least anytime soon. I believe it was Dave Ware who said at the Spokane WAG meeting that "WA has a different political climate" in reference to what ID and MT have done with wolves.
I know. It will never happen.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 20, 2015, 11:09:26 AM
I don't know meat, they might have wolf AND cougar quotas to help the grizzlies. :tung:Sorry Campmeat, a wolf season in WA may never happen. When you have a wildlife commission over carrying capacity with wolf lovers and the WAG infected with anti-hunting groups, a hunting season is unlikely, at least anytime soon. I believe it was Dave Ware who said at the Spokane WAG meeting that "WA has a different political climate" in reference to what ID and MT have done with wolves.
I know. It will never happen.
Dang, I forgot about the grizzlies. I saw one and took pictures of it near Loomis 26 years ago and the WDFW did't care about them then. I took the picture to Olympia, in person and they could of caredless.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 20, 2015, 11:10:07 AM
Although, it seems like the wolf is the favorite of the animal rights wackos, in preference to all other species. They've all pretty much said by their actions that they don't care what dies as long as we have wolves again and lots of them.
Post by: Bob33 on July 20, 2015, 11:15:43 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 20, 2015, 11:42:59 AM
The irony in this is that there is some recent indication that cougars are killing wolves in some areas.
Irony? I have a feeling that some of the wolf lovers have pushed for this. It's possible that HSUS's comments regarding cougar management are meant to make it appear like they care. I don't see any lawsuit or injunction, however. We certainly will if we ever get to a point of killing wolves on a regular basis.
Post by: Special T on July 20, 2015, 01:36:18 PM
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Post by: pianoman9701 on July 20, 2015, 01:49:51 PM
Wolves are great for the anti hunting crowd, much more so than the other predators. Wolves have the ability to reduce hunting opportunity much more than the others because of how they hunt and because they are more prolific breeders. If the powers that be are debating wolf vs cougar vs bear it take away any need to debate healthy huntable populations of ungulates. Why else do you think they gloss over the woodland caribou?
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They're also easier to identify with for those who think wild animals are cuddly. Wolves look like fido and their puppies like all puppies. This makes it easy for the wackos to convince them that they need to be saved. :puke:
Post by: Special T on July 20, 2015, 04:21:12 PM
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Post by: RadSav on July 20, 2015, 04:47:49 PM
Although, it seems like the wolf is the favorite of the animal rights wackos, in preference to all other species. They've all pretty much said by their actions that they don't care what dies as long as we have wolves again and lots of them.
HSUS doesn't care about dying animals. They kill more per year than hunters do. They just want to stop all hunting. If they could completely destroy elk and deer herds with a predator or two or three and that wipeout ended hunting in WA state...They would consider that a victory! And if the end of hunting created a new socialist order where government claimed citizens no longer have a need for guns as there is no longer hunting...big picture success story!
Post by: wolfbait on July 21, 2015, 04:19:20 AM
This is obvious crap.
The WDFW doesn't have an accurate cougar population estimate. How are they supposed to know what 12-14% of the population is for a harvest quota???
It doesn't have to do with wolves. It has to do with cougar conflict, which has been an issue lately.
Are you trying to tell us that WDF&Wolves is BSing the public agin? :yike:
Post by: tgomez on July 21, 2015, 05:49:19 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on July 21, 2015, 07:01:50 AM
No. I am saying that the WSU research is being used inappropriately at the policy level and the WDFW is not prepared to refute it because they have not been able to generate an accurate population estimate. We need to be doing what MT is doing to determine cat densities.This is obvious crap.
The WDFW doesn't have an accurate cougar population estimate. How are they supposed to know what 12-14% of the population is for a harvest quota???
It doesn't have to do with wolves. It has to do with cougar conflict, which has been an issue lately.
Are you trying to tell us that WDF&Wolves is BSing the public agin? :yike:
Post by: Special T on July 21, 2015, 08:52:17 AM
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Post by: WAcoyotehunter on July 21, 2015, 03:53:25 PM
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Post by: WAcoyotehunter on July 22, 2015, 07:02:27 AM
nope. It would be pretty easy.
Post by: Special T on July 22, 2015, 08:24:52 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on July 23, 2015, 05:20:50 AM
Post by: Capt. Rob on August 03, 2015, 02:51:21 AM