Post by: 92xj on July 15, 2015, 09:05:41 PM
Tons floating dead all over. This is not good at all. http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2015/07/15/3653267/dozens-of-sturgeon-found-dead.html
Post by: h2ofowlr on July 15, 2015, 09:29:45 PM
Post by: syoungs on July 15, 2015, 09:31:18 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on July 15, 2015, 09:36:09 PM
bio said its the warmer water temp affecting the o2 levels, but im not buying that entirely, these salmon coming up are stressed and in warm water, getting sick and dying, im sure the sturgeon are eating their fair share, makes me sick thinking about it.
They've already found 66. Wow. That's sickening for sure.
Post by: singleshot12 on July 16, 2015, 08:03:49 AM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on July 16, 2015, 09:14:49 AM
Post by: zike on July 16, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 16, 2015, 09:34:39 AM
Post by: ipkus on July 16, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
Which would also explain why you aren't seeing dead sturgeon in the Snake as their aren't very many sockeye in the Snake.
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 16, 2015, 09:47:08 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on July 16, 2015, 11:43:33 AM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on July 16, 2015, 12:14:33 PM
Sockeye poisoning,bacteria illness?? :rolleyes:.. I can bet every one of these fish were hooked and released & died from exhaustion down stream from a popular c&r hole. These fish fight till they're almost dead!(especially on lite gear) Add warmer water conditions and they finally expire. Might take the bio's 20 years to figure that out tho :bash:water was 67 degrees at vernita Sunday. I would also bet all those fish weren't caught and released. I'm not against stopping the catch and release fishery to help out, but i doubt that is what is causing it.
Post by: ipkus on July 16, 2015, 12:50:14 PM
Sockeye poisoning,bacteria illness?? :rolleyes:.. I can bet every one of these fish were hooked and released & died from exhaustion down stream from a popular c&r hole. These fish fight till they're almost dead!(especially on lite gear) Add warmer water conditions and they finally expire. Might take the bio's 20 years to figure that out tho :bash:
You would lose your bet.
1.) There is a sanctuary below many of the dams during this time of year to keep people from fishing on the spawning grounds where many of the oversize fish are right now.
2.) Fishing effort has been low.
3.) They are examining as many of the dead sturgeon as they can, and as of the first of the week I can tell you that they are not finding fresh hook wounds in the fish. (yes, you can tell an old wound vs. a new one)
You can roll your eyes and bash the people that are trying to figure it out, but this situation is not simply a result of c&r in warm water. Period.
Post by: singleshot12 on July 16, 2015, 08:10:30 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on July 16, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
I haven't noticed enough guys fishing for them below mcnary recently to match the numbers that have been found. Also, we deal with these same water temperatures
annually, just a month later. And then there's the fact that I haven't heard of any dead ones on the snake but they're on the banks of the Columbia above and below the mouth of the snake.... I'm no biologist but if I were to guess I'd question that it has something to do with the sockeye that have been dieing off like crazy once they get past Bonneville.
Makes a guy wonder....
Post by: JJB11B on July 16, 2015, 08:54:59 PM
Post by: cohoho on July 16, 2015, 09:24:28 PM
Post by: ipkus on July 16, 2015, 09:33:32 PM
Period? You sound positively certain. Somehow I feel we may never know the truth. So for the mean time I'll just stick to my own personal obervations of the sturgeon Thankyou very much!...lol
I provided actual facts that show your hypothesis is incorrect. The fact that you choose to ignore those and continue on believing a fairy tail proves your signature line true...
Post by: Limhangerslayer on July 16, 2015, 09:53:22 PM
Post by: nwwanderer on July 16, 2015, 09:54:35 PM
Post by: magnus100 on July 17, 2015, 11:24:11 AM
doesn't sound like stress from C&R to me?
We all hate to see a great resource like this suffer but let's look to science instead of emotion.
Post by: MtnMuley on July 17, 2015, 11:45:26 AM
My uneducated guess as of now is a combination of the higher than normal temps for this time of year, less flow than some years, and guts stuffed with the big run of sockeye. :twocents:
I hope they can get something figured out, or I might never get the chance to catch another again. :(
Post by: splitshot on July 17, 2015, 11:46:14 AM
Post by: westsidehntr on July 17, 2015, 11:56:36 AM
Warmer water in the snake and plenty of C&R fishing with no die off. Hmm,:yeah:
doesn't sound like stress from C&R to me?
We all hate to see a great resource like this suffer but let's look to science instead of emotion.
Post by: singleshot12 on July 17, 2015, 01:21:54 PM
Period? You sound positively certain. Somehow I feel we may never know the truth. So for the mean time I'll just stick to my own personal obervations of the sturgeon Thankyou very much!...lol
I provided actual facts that show your hypothesis is incorrect. The fact that you choose to ignore those and continue on believing a fairy tail proves your signature line true...
LMAO! did I hit a nerve? Facts? What facts? Do sturgeon really show fresh hook wounds in their mouth? You must be a young punk or an extreme c&r advocate yahoo. If either which sounds like you are I won't waste anymore time with you......
Post by: westsidehntr on July 17, 2015, 01:24:34 PM
Period? You sound positively certain. Somehow I feel we may never know the truth. So for the mean time I'll just stick to my own personal obervations of the sturgeon Thankyou very much!...lol
I provided actual facts that show your hypothesis is incorrect. The fact that you choose to ignore those and continue on believing a fairy tail proves your signature line true...
LMAO! did I hit a nerve? Facts? What facts? Do sturgeon really show fresh hook wounds in their mouth? You must be a young punk or an extreme c&r yahoo. If either? I won't waste anymore time with you :hello:
I think ipkus is correct also. If warm water and C and R is the problem, why are the sturgeon in the Snake fine? Both of these things are there also.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 17, 2015, 01:28:50 PM
Could depend on things like how long the fish was played with or any kind of thermocline in the water.Period? You sound positively certain. Somehow I feel we may never know the truth. So for the mean time I'll just stick to my own personal obervations of the sturgeon Thankyou very much!...lol
I provided actual facts that show your hypothesis is incorrect. The fact that you choose to ignore those and continue on believing a fairy tail proves your signature line true...
LMAO! did I hit a nerve? Facts? What facts? Do sturgeon really show fresh hook wounds in their mouth? You must be a young punk or an extreme c&r yahoo. If either? I won't waste anymore time with you :hello:
I think ipkus is correct also. If warm water and C and R is the problem, why are the sturgeon in the Snake fine? Both of these things are there also.
Post by: singleshot12 on July 17, 2015, 01:38:37 PM
I believe a lot more fish get hooked in the Columbia vs the Snake.
With some guides C&Ring 50-100 sturg a day there is bound to be some fatalities especially in these warm water conditions.
Another fruitless battle here :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: ipkus on July 17, 2015, 04:14:13 PM
Period? You sound positively certain. Somehow I feel we may never know the truth. So for the mean time I'll just stick to my own personal obervations of the sturgeon Thankyou very much!...lol
I provided actual facts that show your hypothesis is incorrect. The fact that you choose to ignore those and continue on believing a fairy tail proves your signature line true...
LMAO! did I hit a nerve? Facts? What facts? Do sturgeon really show fresh hook wounds in their mouth? You must be a young punk or an extreme c&r advocate yahoo. If either which sounds like you are I won't waste anymore time with you......
The longer you run your mouth, the dumber you look. Again, for the slow learners;
1.) No fishing is allowed right now where many of the oversize fish in each pool are located
2.) Fishing effort is low.
3.) They are not finding fresh hook wounds in the fish they are examining.
4.) Essentially all of the fish they are examining are chock full of sockeye.
These are called facts. There is data and observations that proves them to be true.
YES, sturgeon that have been hooked with 8/0 and 9/0 hooks have wounds/scars in there lips, and YES you can tell if they are recent or older.
The more you type the more obvious it becomes that you don't know what the f you are talking about.
Nobody is C&Ring 50-100 fish a day in the mid-Columbia. I am not an 'extreme c&r advocate yahoo'. I completely agree that they should close sturgeon fishing until they figure out what is going on. C&R fishing does have stress and mortality associated with it, and anything they can do to protect the remaining spawner size fish should be done immediately. That still doesn't mean that this die off is because of C&R fishing, because it's not.
There's an old saying that goes something like '...better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and prove it...'
Don't be a knucklehead.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on July 17, 2015, 05:26:24 PM
:yeah:Like was stated earlier, most of these fish died in an area that is not fishable right now. I was headed to the reach on Sunday, now I'm not. That's alright the survival of the fish is more important then trying to get a keeper. They are doing this moratorium as a precaution not thereason they are dying. And no I'm not a young punkPeriod? You sound positively certain. Somehow I feel we may never know the truth. So for the mean time I'll just stick to my own personal obervations of the sturgeon Thankyou very much!...lol
I provided actual facts that show your hypothesis is incorrect. The fact that you choose to ignore those and continue on believing a fairy tail proves your signature line true...
LMAO! did I hit a nerve? Facts? What facts? Do sturgeon really show fresh hook wounds in their mouth? You must be a young punk or an extreme c&r advocate yahoo. If either which sounds like you are I won't waste anymore time with you......
The longer you run your mouth, the dumber you look. Again, for the slow learners;
1.) No fishing is allowed right now where many of the oversize fish in each pool are located
2.) Fishing effort is low.
3.) They are not finding fresh hook wounds in the fish they are examining.
4.) Essentially all of the fish they are examining are chock full of sockeye.
These are called facts. There is data and observations that proves them to be true.
YES, sturgeon that have been hooked with 8/0 and 9/0 hooks have wounds/scars in there lips, and YES you can tell if they are recent or older.
The more you type the more obvious it becomes that you don't know what the f you are talking about.
Nobody is C&Ring 50-100 fish a day in the mid-Columbia. I am not an 'extreme c&r advocate yahoo'. I completely agree that they should close sturgeon fishing until they figure out what is going on. C&R fishing does have stress and mortality associated with it, and anything they can do to protect the remaining spawner size fish should be done immediately. That still doesn't mean that this die off is because of C&R fishing, because it's not.
There's an old saying that goes something like '...better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and prove it...'
Don't be a knucklehead.
Post by: singleshot12 on July 17, 2015, 05:49:21 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on July 17, 2015, 05:51:30 PM
Period? You sound positively certain. Somehow I feel we may never know the truth. So for the mean time I'll just stick to my own personal obervations of the sturgeon Thankyou very much!...lol
I provided actual facts that show your hypothesis is incorrect. The fact that you choose to ignore those and continue on believing a fairy tail proves your signature line true...
LMAO! did I hit a nerve? Facts? What facts? Do sturgeon really show fresh hook wounds in their mouth? You must be a young punk or an extreme c&r advocate yahoo. If either which sounds like you are I won't waste anymore time with you......
The longer you run your mouth, the dumber you look. Again, for the slow learners;
1.) No fishing is allowed right now where many of the oversize fish in each pool are located
2.) Fishing effort is low.
3.) They are not finding fresh hook wounds in the fish they are examining.
4.) Essentially all of the fish they are examining are chock full of sockeye.
These are called facts. There is data and observations that proves them to be true.
YES, sturgeon that have been hooked with 8/0 and 9/0 hooks have wounds/scars in there lips, and YES you can tell if they are recent or older.
The more you type the more obvious it becomes that you don't know what the f you are talking about.
Nobody is C&Ring 50-100 fish a day in the mid-Columbia. I am not an 'extreme c&r advocate yahoo'. I completely agree that they should close sturgeon fishing until they figure out what is going on. C&R fishing does have stress and mortality associated with it, and anything they can do to protect the remaining spawner size fish should be done immediately. That still doesn't mean that this die off is because of C&R fishing, because it's not.
There's an old saying that goes something like '...better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and prove it...'
Don't be a knucklehead.
:yeah:
Post by: BLUEBULLS on July 17, 2015, 05:52:12 PM
Fish can die miles from a c&r area usually down stream. Your "so called facts" don't mean anymore to me than my opinion does to you. So we don't agree on what happened to these fish.what's the big deal? I'm not falling into this "know-it-all" game which is resulting in name calling. You might not be young punks but this conversation is getting way too juvinile for me.
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Post by: ipkus on July 17, 2015, 05:58:43 PM
Fish can die miles from a c&r area usually down stream. Your "so called facts" don't mean anymore to me than my opinion does to you. So we don't agree on what happened to these fish.what's the big deal? I'm not falling into this "know-it-all" game which is resulting in name calling. You might not be young punks but this conversation is getting way too juvinile for me.
There's another saying; Ignorance is bliss.
Bye. :hello:
Post by: dscubame on July 17, 2015, 05:59:22 PM
Post by: HunterStrait on July 17, 2015, 06:05:06 PM
I also saw a handful of dead suckers too.
Post by: time2hunt on July 18, 2015, 07:19:33 AM
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Post by: magnus100 on July 19, 2015, 03:57:05 PM
Stupid is as stupid does.
Post by: Gringo31 on July 20, 2015, 09:10:06 AM
Post by: 4fletch on July 21, 2015, 01:12:40 AM
Radiation poisoning from the Japan tsunami the tribe has been test fish in the ocean and the levels are high in the salmon . It's been a pretty hush hush deallast few years the sockeye run in Alaska has been lower than expected. The forecast if my memory recalls was 27 million and only 2.5 million showed up. Something's fishy. I hope it's not due to radiation
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Post by: rtspring on July 21, 2015, 05:10:27 AM
Not sure if the numbers of dead fish are up but maybe its just natures way of doing the dirty deed. Lets hope so!
Post by: Gringo31 on July 21, 2015, 08:01:34 AM
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last few years the sockeye run in Alaska has been lower than expected. The forecast if my memory recalls was 27 million and only 2.5 million showed up. Something's fishy. I hope it's not due to radiation
Recent intel told me that in Bristol Bay the sockeye just didn't show up. They had like 15% of the run and then it just tapered off. Everyone left calling it a loss but 2 weeks later they came in full force. :twocents:
Post by: grundy53 on July 21, 2015, 08:24:33 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on July 21, 2015, 01:10:41 PM
Back on topic: anyone hear of anymore dead sturgeon since the c&r closure?
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 21, 2015, 04:17:32 PM
People are linking Pacific Sockeye with the Sturgeon die out and they're talking about Sockeye runs...duh
Post by: BLUEBULLS on July 21, 2015, 08:55:46 PM
So what does that have to do with dead sturgeon on the Columbia :dunno:
Back on topic: anyone hear of anymore dead sturgeon since the c&r closure?
Yep
Post by: magnus100 on July 22, 2015, 08:18:20 AM