Post by: winshooter88 on July 22, 2015, 08:34:23 AM
http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2015/jul/21/feds-confirm-livestock-killing-by-teanaway-pack/
Post by: vandeman17 on July 22, 2015, 09:34:56 AM
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Post by: Kittman on July 22, 2015, 12:19:28 PM
Just saw this in the Wenatchee World. A wolf from the Teanaway pack killed a yearling angus, confirmed by the USFWS. It was found on July 16th by a WSU graduate student doing research on wolves.
http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2015/jul/21/feds-confirm-livestock-killing-by-teanaway-pack/
Below article provides more information. Note the WDFW response in the article, kind of like what wolf problem? there's no problem here...'nuff said.
http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20150721/wolves-kill-yearling-angus-in-central-washington
Post by: bobcat on July 22, 2015, 12:26:33 PM
So every time a wolf kills something it's going to make front page news? People do realize wolves have to eat, right?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on July 22, 2015, 12:47:28 PM
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Post by: mfswallace on July 22, 2015, 01:14:44 PM
I don't understand what the end goal is for the people wanting to shoot all the wolves. Is it extinction? It seems like a shortsighted and ignorant solution to a complex problem. It also seems ignorant to joke about poaching on a public hunting forum. I'm sure I'll get some flack for saying it but I just don't get the hatred for predators. :twocents:
I think it's more of a hatred for uncontrolled predators! Plus the anti's and WDFW who are complicit in allowing them to go unchecked when there are so many states with recent reintroduction history to look at for what wolves will do to ungulates and livestock :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 22, 2015, 01:15:23 PM
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Post by: heronblu on July 22, 2015, 02:09:21 PM
I have a deep hatred of wolves and everything they represent. We need to try to eliminate them even tho it is damn near impossible. It is unacceptable to have honest hard working folks face economical hardships due to a protected predator who's sole existance is not only unnatural but driven by liberal adgendas to destroy game herds and increase people's dependance on the government.
And how is their existence unnatural? Weren't there wolves here before people killed them off in the first place? Not trying to stir the pot but aren't they protected because there aren't that many of them?
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 22, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
I have a deep hatred of wolves and everything they represent. We need to try to eliminate them even tho it is damn near impossible. It is unacceptable to have honest hard working folks face economical hardships due to a protected predator who's sole existance is not only unnatural but driven by liberal adgendas to destroy game herds and increase people's dependance on the government.
And how is their existence unnatural? Weren't there wolves here before people killed them off in the first place? Not trying to stir the pot but aren't they protected because there aren't that many of them?
They are protected because greenies got hold of the ESA and molded it to their liking. There not only are many of them, there are too many of them in a great many places. These animals are far from endangered and will never be "killed off" again in the lower 48.
Post by: WAPatriot on July 22, 2015, 02:23:14 PM
I have a deep hatred of wolves and everything they represent. We need to try to eliminate them even tho it is damn near impossible. It is unacceptable to have honest hard working folks face economical hardships due to a protected predator who's sole existance is not only unnatural but driven by liberal adgendas to destroy game herds and increase people's dependance on the government.
And how is their existence unnatural? Weren't there wolves here before people killed them off in the first place? Not trying to stir the pot but aren't they protected because there aren't that many of them?
The current wolves we have in Washington are unnatural. The native wolves which were never exstrinct are much smaller and never black. There were never any reports of black wolves now half of all the wolves seen are black wolves. The current wolves we have are native to the far north and are killing machines. the only reason why liberals band together behind the wolf is because it is a predator that kills the game we hunters like to kill. I don't see the liberals banding together behind any animals that may be hunted why not expand sheep and goat population introduce the moose to the west side of state bring back the buffalo.
Post by: vandeman17 on July 22, 2015, 02:27:14 PM
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Post by: wolfbait on July 29, 2015, 06:28:54 AM
I can't believe these types of stories are still making the news. This is news? Really? That's like printing a story in a newspaper- "The Sun Rose this Morning!"
So every time a wolf kills something it's going to make front page news? People do realize wolves have to eat, right?
Time to move some wolves over in your backyard Bobcat. If I remember right you didn't seem to keen on the idea a while back, you sure don't mind other folks getting their paycheck shorted though.
Post by: Duckhunter14 on July 29, 2015, 08:09:51 AM
I cant wait till we can hunt them......I wanna shoot one :mgun2:
They say they will "re-evaluate" their successful reintroduction at 15 breeding pairs; by the time we can hunt them as a management tool, that will most likely be the only thing left to shoot in this state. Sadly. :bash: I've seen first hand what they've done to the elk and moose in Idaho and Montana. Pretty sad
Post by: ribka on July 29, 2015, 08:21:26 AM
I don't understand what the end goal is for the people wanting to shoot all the wolves. Is it extinction? It seems like a shortsighted and ignorant solution to a complex problem. It also seems ignorant to joke about poaching on a public hunting forum. I'm sure I'll get some flack for saying it but I just don't get the hatred for predators. :twocents:
You obviously misunderstand the hatred. Most of us on here frustration with ignorant people who want uncontrolled introduction of the Canadian grey wolf in ID, MT WY and now WA and OR. Are you aware what happened in MT and ID in regards to the grey wolf introduction? I have seen first hand so has Bearpaw. Do you know what is going on on up in BC re the wolves and trying to control their numbers? I have seen first hand and the guides up there have too. Probably not -just a typical emotionally based knee jerk reaction to the poor beautiful wolves under attack from the evil hunters.
Once the grey wolf population meets a certain point the population explodes and they begin moving uncontrolled to other areas adversely affecting deer moose and elk populations ( predator pits) . It has been demonstrated in MT and ID that once the wolf population reaches a certain point the only way to control the population is through aggressive trapping and poisoning. There is no way WA and OR will allow those methods of wolf population control so start saying good bye to your deer and elk seasons here and in OR in the future.
Would like a response from you. Are you willing to give up your hunting in the state of WA to solve this supposed "complex problem?
Post by: rtspring on July 29, 2015, 08:33:44 AM
I can't believe these types of stories are still making the news. This is news? Really? That's like printing a story in a newspaper- "The Sun Rose this Morning!"
So every time a wolf kills something it's going to make front page news? People do realize wolves have to eat, right?
Holy smokes man! You can't be serious! What if that was your lively hood? Or your childs pet? How bout the money lost? You drew a sheep tag and now want a moose right? Kiss those moose goodbye if these wolves make it!
To support or even defend the wolves by a fellow hunter is absolutely mind boggling..
They gotta eat? Yep they sure do but from the sound of your post its ok for them to eat a cow now and then? Uh NO SIR..
Post by: bugs n bones on July 29, 2015, 08:34:47 AM
I don't understand what the end goal is for the people wanting to shoot all the wolves. Is it extinction? It seems like a shortsighted and ignorant solution to a complex problem. It also seems ignorant to joke about poaching on a public hunting forum. I'm sure I'll get some flack for saying it but I just don't get the hatred for predators. :twocents:
You obviously misunderstand the hatred. Most of us on here frustration with ignorant people who want uncontrolled introduction of the Canadian grey wolf in ID, MT WY and now WA and OR. Are you aware what happened in MT and ID in regards to the grey wolf introduction? I have seen first hand so has Bearpaw. Do you know what is going on on up in BC re the wolves and trying to control their numbers? I have seen first hand and the guides up there have too. Probably not -just a typical emotionally based knee jerk reaction to the poor beautiful wolves under attack from the evil hunters.
Once the grey wolf population meets a certain point the population explodes and they begin moving uncontrolled to other areas adversely affecting deer moose and elk populations ( predator pits) . It has been demonstrated in MT and ID that once the wolf population reaches a certain point the only way to control the population is through aggressive trapping and poisoning. There is no way WA and OR will allow those methods of wolf population control so start saying good bye to your deer and elk seasons here and in OR in the future.
Would like a response from you. Are you willing to give up your hunting in the state of WA to solve this supposed "complex problem?
WEll Said ribka
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 29, 2015, 08:35:55 AM
I don't understand what the end goal is for the people wanting to shoot all the wolves. Is it extinction? It seems like a shortsighted and ignorant solution to a complex problem. It also seems ignorant to joke about poaching on a public hunting forum. I'm sure I'll get some flack for saying it but I just don't get the hatred for predators. :twocents:
Take a drive early winter in idaho and cut 100 sets of moose tracks and see EVERY set has wolf tracks following them. Every day, 24/7 stalking the moose, elk, and deer we are passionate about. Start seeing the carcasses just partially eaten. Trust me, after a couple days you will understand why some of us hate the frgn wolves with a passion. :mgun: :mgun: :mgun:
Post by: heronblu on July 29, 2015, 09:00:51 AM
I never said anything about giving up hunting. There seems to be a lot of misinformation on both sides of the issue so it becomes difficult to truly make an informed decision. All I'm saying is that the jury is still out for me on the wolf issue. Maybe naively I still have some amount of trust in the wdfw, and I certainly value the opinion of my fellow hunter. So it comes down to me having to wade through opinion pieces, forum rants and political rhetoric in order to get to the truth. Thanks for your input, and I mean no disrespect.I don't understand what the end goal is for the people wanting to shoot all the wolves. Is it extinction? It seems like a shortsighted and ignorant solution to a complex problem. It also seems ignorant to joke about poaching on a public hunting forum. I'm sure I'll get some flack for saying it but I just don't get the hatred for predators. :twocents:
You obviously misunderstand the hatred. Most of us on here frustration with ignorant people who want uncontrolled introduction of the Canadian grey wolf in ID, MT WY and now WA and OR. Are you aware what happened in MT and ID in regards to the grey wolf introduction? I have seen first hand so has Bearpaw. Do you know what is going on on up in BC re the wolves and trying to control their numbers? I have seen first hand and the guides up there have too. Probably not -just a typical emotionally based knee jerk reaction to the poor beautiful wolves under attack from the evil hunters.
Once the grey wolf population meets a certain point the population explodes and they begin moving uncontrolled to other areas adversely affecting deer moose and elk populations ( predator pits) . It has been demonstrated in MT and ID that once the wolf population reaches a certain point the only way to control the population is through aggressive trapping and poisoning. There is no way WA and OR will allow those methods of wolf population control so start saying good bye to your deer and elk seasons here and in OR in the future.
Would like a response from you. Are you willing to give up your hunting in the state of WA to solve this supposed "complex problem?
Post by: Curly on July 29, 2015, 09:28:03 AM
I don't understand what the end goal is for the people wanting to shoot all the wolves. Is it extinction? It seems like a shortsighted and ignorant solution to a complex problem. It also seems ignorant to joke about poaching on a public hunting forum. I'm sure I'll get some flack for saying it but I just don't get the hatred for predators. :twocents:
Most people that talk about wanting to shoot all the wolves aren't talking about extinction. Wolves really should be treated like coyotes........open year around season on them. If they were legal to shoot, there would still be plenty around, there is no way they are going to get totally wiped out by just hunting them. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 29, 2015, 09:31:29 AM
I never said anything about giving up hunting. There seems to be a lot of misinformation on both sides of the issue so it becomes difficult to truly make an informed decision. All I'm saying is that the jury is still out for me on the wolf issue. Maybe naively I still have some amount of trust in the wdfw, and I certainly value the opinion of my fellow hunter. So it comes down to me having to wade through opinion pieces, forum rants and political rhetoric in order to get to the truth. Thanks for your input, and I mean no disrespect.I don't understand what the end goal is for the people wanting to shoot all the wolves. Is it extinction? It seems like a shortsighted and ignorant solution to a complex problem. It also seems ignorant to joke about poaching on a public hunting forum. I'm sure I'll get some flack for saying it but I just don't get the hatred for predators. :twocents:
You obviously misunderstand the hatred. Most of us on here frustration with ignorant people who want uncontrolled introduction of the Canadian grey wolf in ID, MT WY and now WA and OR. Are you aware what happened in MT and ID in regards to the grey wolf introduction? I have seen first hand so has Bearpaw. Do you know what is going on on up in BC re the wolves and trying to control their numbers? I have seen first hand and the guides up there have too. Probably not -just a typical emotionally based knee jerk reaction to the poor beautiful wolves under attack from the evil hunters.
Once the grey wolf population meets a certain point the population explodes and they begin moving uncontrolled to other areas adversely affecting deer moose and elk populations ( predator pits) . It has been demonstrated in MT and ID that once the wolf population reaches a certain point the only way to control the population is through aggressive trapping and poisoning. There is no way WA and OR will allow those methods of wolf population control so start saying good bye to your deer and elk seasons here and in OR in the future.
Would like a response from you. Are you willing to give up your hunting in the state of WA to solve this supposed "complex problem?
Using your own words, I believe you're being naive. First, wolves will never be extinct and we'll never see the end of them in the lower 48 ever again. I'm not saying that's bad or good. I'm just stating a fact. Secondly, one of the missions of the WDFW is to manage game - wildlife which is managed to allow maximum hunter opportunity while sustaining wildlife populations at healthy levels. The approved wolf plan defies successful game management in WA. The scope of the plan is far more drastic than in MT, a state with twice the land area and 1/8 of the population. That's the first problem with giving the WDFW the benefit of the doubt. The next problem is the WAG, staffed with anti-hunting groups. The poor decision to include the HSUS and DOW, along with having a Wildlife Commission member who is also a director of Conservation NW, spells nothing but trouble for our state wildlife agency if they ever want to lethally manage wolves in WA.
Hunters know who supports the WDFW - hunters do. Between our license and tag fees, and the federal funds from Pittman-Robertson distributions, we supply as much as 80% of the department's funding. I know that wildlife belongs to everyone, but it seems to me that making decisions that will tie their hands down the road, mean that we'll have fewer hunting opportunities with more and more predators wreaking havoc on our ungulates and smaller game.
Post by: WAPatriot on July 29, 2015, 10:10:21 AM
Deep a deep hole
And don't tell a sole I mean no one take it to your grave
Post by: ribka on July 29, 2015, 11:12:46 AM
If one stays in a west side urban area will never witness this.
I don't understand what the end goal is for the people wanting to shoot all the wolves. Is it extinction? It seems like a shortsighted and ignorant solution to a complex problem. It also seems ignorant to joke about poaching on a public hunting forum. I'm sure I'll get some flack for saying it but I just don't get the hatred for predators. :twocents:
Take a drive early winter in idaho and cut 100 sets of moose tracks and see EVERY set has wolf tracks following them. Every day, 24/7 stalking the moose, elk, and deer we are passionate about. Start seeing the carcasses just partially eaten. Trust me, after a couple days you will understand why some of us hate the frgn wolves with a passion. :mgun: :mgun: :mgun:
Post by: Bob33 on July 29, 2015, 11:28:49 AM
I don't understand what the end goal is for the people wanting to shoot all the wolves. Is it extinction? It seems like a shortsighted and ignorant solution to a complex problem. It also seems ignorant to joke about poaching on a public hunting forum. I'm sure I'll get some flack for saying it but I just don't get the hatred for predators. :twocents:It's not complex to me.
My passion is hunting. I hunt big game, upland birds, and waterfowl. I pay lots of money for the privilege, and put in lots of hard work both personally and as a volunteer. I eat what I kill.
Wolves eat big game. It's what they're designed to do. The more big game they kill, the fewer there are to hunt. One wolf can kill 20 or more deer or elk per year. Multiply that by 100 or 1000 and you've put a significant dent in their populations.
What is the benefit of wolves to me? They howl - they'll neat but I can buy a CD to listen to. They eat sick animals - that's cool but the cats and bears can already do that.
I categorize them in the same class as mosquitoes and rats. My world is better off without them.
Post by: WAPatriot on July 29, 2015, 01:09:55 PM
Post by: ribka on July 29, 2015, 08:37:20 PM
Shoot straight
Deep a deep hole
And don't tell a sole I mean no one take it to your grave
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 29, 2015, 08:47:59 PM
Post by: jasnt on July 29, 2015, 09:43:35 PM
I find it kind of amusing, our local game warden here in cle elum is a wolf loving liberal who said we have a good Alfa female in this pack who teaches her pups not to kill livestock. Hmmm I guess I missed something.that is sad!
"I categorize them in the same class as mosquitoes and rats. My world is better off without them."
This is how I feel. If we can't hunt them they are nothing more than a disease taking away hunter optertunetys and money from the people that feed America. Invassive speacies that need to be managed as such! Stop waisting our money wdfw. Do your job. Manage these wolves for healthy numbers(deer and elk included) and future hunter oppertunety.
Post by: wolfbait on July 30, 2015, 06:00:34 AM
I find it kind of amusing, our local game warden here in cle elum is a wolf loving liberal who said we have a good Alfa female in this pack who teaches her pups not to kill livestock. Hmmm I guess I missed something.
Seems that philosophy is prevalent among the new age WDFW crew. If they say it enough it still won't be true, the end results will be the same no matter where uncontrolled wolves roam.
I find it kind of amusing, our local game warden here in cle elum is a wolf loving liberal who said we have a good Alfa female in this pack who teaches her pups not to kill livestock. Hmmm I guess I missed something.
that is sad!
"I categorize them in the same class as mosquitoes and rats. My world is better off without them."
This is how I feel. If we can't hunt them they are nothing more than a disease taking away hunter optertunetys and money from the people that feed America. Invassive speacies that need to be managed as such! Stop waisting our money wdfw. Do your job. Manage these wolves for healthy numbers(deer and elk included) and future hunter oppertunety.
:yeah:
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 30, 2015, 06:22:11 AM
I catorgize wolves equivalent to aids and Ebola.
Well, AIDS now has a cure and we seem to have stopped the spread of ebola. I see no comparison.
Post by: WAPatriot on July 30, 2015, 07:42:19 AM
I catorgize wolves equivalent to aids and Ebola.
Well, AIDS now has a cure and we seem to have stopped the spread of ebola. I see no comparison.
Aids has a cure is that what the guy who touches you in salon told you lol
Wolves have a cure hot lead
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 30, 2015, 07:53:21 AM
I catorgize wolves equivalent to aids and Ebola.
Well, AIDS now has a cure and we seem to have stopped the spread of ebola. I see no comparison.
Aids has a cure is that what the guy who touches you in salon told you lol
Wolves have a cure hot lead
Since you are rude, I wish you were funnier.
I don't hate wolves, I just wish they weren't here or at least not in the numbers they currently populate.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 30, 2015, 08:02:38 AM
I catorgize wolves equivalent to aids and Ebola.
Well, AIDS now has a cure and we seem to have stopped the spread of ebola. I see no comparison.
Aids has a cure is that what the guy who touches you in salon told you lol
Wolves have a cure hot lead
They're actually doing trials with some young African children. Some have tested negative for over 18 months after having been born with AIDS and then treated with this drug. It's a very promising advancement. There are literally millions of people in Africa who have AIDS through no fault of their own. Children born to AIDS positive parents, and women and children pressed into sex slavery by warring tribes and militias all over the continent.
Post by: coachcw on July 30, 2015, 08:03:36 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on July 30, 2015, 11:27:01 AM
If they say it enough it still won't be true,What a sage piece of advice from someone who constantly preaches about chem trails and government conspiracies :chuckle:
Post by: mfswallace on July 30, 2015, 01:24:35 PM
If they say it enough it still won't be true,What a sage piece of advice from someone who constantly preaches about chem trails and government conspiracies :chuckle:
Just had to get that cheap shot in huh, :tung:
Says the mouthpiece of wdfwolves :chuckle:
Post by: full strutting on July 30, 2015, 04:07:42 PM
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