Post by: Igor on July 22, 2015, 07:54:16 PM
In the mail today he received a brochure from White Pass Outfitters. Somehow, they get information from WDFW
on who draws these tags.
Anyway, they offer drop camps in the Wm. O. Douglas area of unit #364 (Bumping). I did a search on WPO and found
nothing, other than their website. Has anyone here had any experience with them?
Thanks in advance, and if you would rather PM me, that's fine.
Post by: The scout on July 22, 2015, 08:20:29 PM
Post by: Igor on July 22, 2015, 08:23:07 PM
he just got the lease, so no one will have any info on him. after jerry lost the lease they were talking about not re-issuing it. wish they wouldn't have. talked to him by phone seems like a good guy.go a little further north in the bumping and use paul Wilson of Chinook outfitters would be my advice if you want to go that route
Thanks for the response. Stupid question.............................who is "jerry" ?
Post by: bobcat on July 22, 2015, 08:23:21 PM
Looked up their website and I find it odd that they have two pictures of whitetail bucks. :dunno:
Post by: The scout on July 22, 2015, 08:25:46 PM
Post by: muleyslayer on July 22, 2015, 08:26:47 PM
Never heard of them.I got a bull tag, and I got the same brochure in the mail, and I went on his website and also found that odd.
Looked up their website and I find it odd that they have two pictures of whitetail bucks. :dunno:
Post by: The scout on July 22, 2015, 08:30:07 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on July 22, 2015, 08:42:35 PM
Post by: fisheral87 on July 22, 2015, 08:51:02 PM
Al
Post by: The scout on July 22, 2015, 08:53:10 PM
Post by: Igor on July 22, 2015, 08:57:15 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on July 23, 2015, 07:46:45 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 23, 2015, 07:58:55 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 23, 2015, 08:00:37 AM
weird they can access your info, I think he is legit he just has never been a packer or guide before.
It's probably done under a FOIA request :twocents:
Post by: bearpaw on July 23, 2015, 08:08:23 AM
One other important thing, be sure he is permitted to operate on the forest, you could ask the area ranger station if he is permitted to operate. If he is permitted that will also mean he has current liability insurance as that is a requirement for being permitted on USFS.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 23, 2015, 08:09:53 AM
I'd be a little PO'd at the WDFW for giving out my info. I do not like that at all.. I'd call WDFW and give them a piece of my mind. I'm on the do not call list and subscribe to have all junk mailed stopped.You do realize all of that info is available through a public records request right?
:chuckle:
Post by: Bigshooter on July 23, 2015, 08:12:55 AM
I'd be a little PO'd at the WDFW for giving out my info. I do not like that at all.. I'd call WDFW and give them a piece of my mind. I'm on the do not call list and subscribe to have all junk mailed stopped.
WY, NV, and OR (probably more) all give out information also. I read somewhere that it is public record.
Post by: bearpaw on July 23, 2015, 08:15:12 AM
I'd be a little PO'd at the WDFW for giving out my info. I do not like that at all.. I'd call WDFW and give them a piece of my mind. I'm on the do not call list and subscribe to have all junk mailed stopped.
WY, NV, and OR (probably more) all give out information also. I read somewhere that it is public record.
FYI - It's public info, you can apply for this type info in most any state.
Post by: bullcanyon on July 23, 2015, 08:16:52 AM
Post by: outdooraddict on July 23, 2015, 11:22:58 AM
Post by: 270Shooter on July 23, 2015, 11:27:23 AM
Post by: Igor on July 23, 2015, 11:32:15 AM
http://www.whitepassoutfitter.com/
Post by: bobcat on July 23, 2015, 11:36:25 AM
I have tried contacting him for my tag for a drop camp in packwood. Is their any suggestions of a packer to either haul out an elk or drop camp me in packwood 516. Can someone put his contact info up some can try to call him
My guess is that he does not have a permit to operate in that area.
Post by: ribka on July 24, 2015, 08:30:46 AM
if interested feel free to pm me
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 24, 2015, 10:28:53 AM
Post by: jackelope on July 24, 2015, 10:32:11 AM
I'd be a little PO'd at the WDFW for giving out my info. I do not like that at all.. I'd call WDFW and give them a piece of my mind. I'm on the do not call list and subscribe to have all junk mailed stopped.
Freedom of info act.
:dunno:
It's public information.
Post by: C-Money on July 24, 2015, 11:04:16 AM
Post by: Netminder01 on July 24, 2015, 11:05:51 AM
weird they can access your info, I think he is legit he just has never been a packer or guide before.
It's probably done under a FOIA request :twocents:
It's not a FOIA request inasmuch I suspect the DFW sells the list as part of a marketing buy. I don't know this for sure, but this approach is used by magazines to email all for direct marketing access to those people who drew special tags, etc.
Simple, effective measure but DFW can get in hot water if they're supplying these lists without "opt-in/out" selections or if they've not complied with proper notification of members.
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 24, 2015, 01:38:31 PM
weird they can access your info, I think he is legit he just has never been a packer or guide before.
It's probably done under a FOIA request :twocents:
It's not a FOIA request inasmuch I suspect the DFW sells the list as part of a marketing buy. I don't know this for sure, but this approach is used by magazines to email all for direct marketing access to those people who drew special tags, etc.
Simple, effective measure but DFW can get in hot water if they're supplying these lists without "opt-in/out" selections or if they've not complied with proper notification of members.
Can't quote any USC here but I'm pretty doubtful of a State Department selling personally identifiable information.
Post by: kirkl on July 24, 2015, 01:45:59 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 24, 2015, 01:49:16 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 24, 2015, 01:50:10 PM
Instead of everybody throwing out answers of "how they think it goes" why doesnt someone just call the game department and ask them. Dang, what an idea. Or you can just keep arguing about it for 10 pages :)
Grump :P
Post by: Netminder01 on July 24, 2015, 01:55:23 PM
weird they can access your info, I think he is legit he just has never been a packer or guide before.
It's probably done under a FOIA request :twocents:
It's not a FOIA request inasmuch I suspect the DFW sells the list as part of a marketing buy. I don't know this for sure, but this approach is used by magazines to email all for direct marketing access to those people who drew special tags, etc.
Simple, effective measure but DFW can get in hot water if they're supplying these lists without "opt-in/out" selections or if they've not complied with proper notification of members.
Can't quote any USC here but I'm pretty doubtful of a State Department selling personally identifiable information.
I'll bet you a root beer float there's a marketing list being accessed/sold/provided which includes names, addresses and emails of everyone in the state who has a WildID. Then, an exported and filtered list can be provided and absorbed into any email/CRM program for a quick blast email or form letter.
There's no other way for snail mail to be targeted in the way described.
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 24, 2015, 01:59:41 PM
I will believe that the info was requested/granted until shown otherwise.
Post by: bearpaw on July 24, 2015, 02:27:21 PM
I'd be a little PO'd at the WDFW for giving out my info. I do not like that at all.. I'd call WDFW and give them a piece of my mind. I'm on the do not call list and subscribe to have all junk mailed stopped.
Freedom of info act.
:dunno:
It's public information.
:yeah:
I can call almost any state and get a list of successful applicants "free".
weird they can access your info, I think he is legit he just has never been a packer or guide before.
It's probably done under a FOIA request :twocents:
It's not a FOIA request inasmuch I suspect the DFW sells the list as part of a marketing buy. I don't know this for sure, but this approach is used by magazines to email all for direct marketing access to those people who drew special tags, etc.
Simple, effective measure but DFW can get in hot water if they're supplying these lists without "opt-in/out" selections or if they've not complied with proper notification of members.
Can't quote any USC here but I'm pretty doubtful of a State Department selling personally identifiable information.
I'll bet you a root beer float there's a marketing list being accessed/sold/provided which includes names, addresses and emails of everyone in the state who has a WildID. Then, an exported and filtered list can be provided and absorbed into any email/CRM program for a quick blast email or form letter.
There's no other way for snail mail to be targeted in the way described.
In Wyoming they actually sell lists of unsuccessful applicants, I've bought the list before as it's a great marketing tool. :twocents:
Post by: Bean Counter on July 24, 2015, 02:31:33 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 24, 2015, 02:34:25 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on July 24, 2015, 02:36:14 PM
Post by: Netminder01 on July 24, 2015, 02:36:50 PM
I didn't say anything about snail mail :dunno:
I will believe that the info was requested/granted until shown otherwise.
The original post mentioned his son got the information about White Pass Outfitters in the mail.... wondering how it happened so fast. The discussion ensued as to how and I suggested it was DFW selling this list to outfitters, marketers, etc.
Looks like Dale has used this approach before out of state.
I'm looking forward to that Rootbeer Float now (I'm only on this kick because of the other thread *censored*!)
Post by: Netminder01 on July 24, 2015, 02:39:10 PM
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In Wyoming they actually sell lists of unsuccessful applicants, I've bought the list before as it's a great marketing tool. :twocents:
Sidebar: did you convert well from that list? I suspect there are not too many DFW states that would refuse selling this list.
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 24, 2015, 02:57:45 PM
Post by: Netminder01 on July 24, 2015, 03:17:47 PM
I was wondering if that rootbeer thing had something to do with the other thread :chuckle:
It's Friday... time to go get a real drink!
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on July 24, 2015, 05:37:42 PM
I also am looking into buying the corral back so we can run off all the illegal outfitters.
And for references my first one would be Paul Wilson of Chinook outfitters. And I would like to thank all of the people for the non-negative remarks. If you have any questions feel free to call me or email me. Thanks and Good Luck Hunting
White Pass Outfitters
Kent Dinelt
Post by: coachcw on July 24, 2015, 05:41:33 PM
Post by: Netminder01 on July 24, 2015, 05:55:51 PM
PM on the way.
Post by: fisheral87 on July 24, 2015, 06:14:45 PM
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Can't quote any USC here but I'm pretty doubtful of a State Department selling personally identifiable information.
Yeah, and it also sounds doubtful that the US Department of Justice would risk citizens lives by selling truckloads of guns to cartels to maybe infiltrate their criminal organization. :bash:
Email marketing to the highest bidder sounds right up their alley. :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on July 24, 2015, 06:57:45 PM
As to the WDFW giving out names and addresses of permit holders- big deal. As others have said, all states do it. The hunters might actually benefit by getting mail from outfitters who operate in the area that they drew. Such as in this case, how else would anyone have known about White Pass Outfitters?
Post by: Carbon Matrix on July 24, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
Post by: Igor on July 24, 2015, 10:04:13 PM
Welcome to White Pass Outfitters, I'm glad you joined the forum Kent. I'd like to use you sometime for a drop camp!
As to the WDFW giving out names and addresses of permit holders- big deal. As others have said, all states do it. The hunters might actually benefit by getting mail from outfitters who operate in the area that they drew. Such as in this case, how else would anyone have known about White Pass Outfitters?
I agree with you bobcat. I have no problem with outfitters contacting those who drew permits.
We certainly would not have known about White Pass Outfitters otherwise, and Kent has been very helpful. As one who has never used an outfitter I consider myself a rookie on the subject, and Kent has been very helpful and professional in explaining how things work.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on July 25, 2015, 04:40:25 AM
Thanks for the Reply Kent and welcome to the site. Will you be able to pack on the north side of 410 ?tagging
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on July 25, 2015, 08:29:36 AM
I'd be a little PO'd at the WDFW for giving out my info. I do not like that at all.. I'd call WDFW and give them a piece of my mind. I'm on the do not call list and subscribe to have all junk mailed stopped.
Freedom of info act.
:dunno:
It's public information.
:yeah:
I can call almost any state and get a list of successful applicants "free".weird they can access your info, I think he is legit he just has never been a packer or guide before.
It's probably done under a FOIA request :twocents:
It's not a FOIA request inasmuch I suspect the DFW sells the list as part of a marketing buy. I don't know this for sure, but this approach is used by magazines to email all for direct marketing access to those people who drew special tags, etc.
Simple, effective measure but DFW can get in hot water if they're supplying these lists without "opt-in/out" selections or if they've not complied with proper notification of members.
Can't quote any USC here but I'm pretty doubtful of a State Department selling personally identifiable information.
I'll bet you a root beer float there's a marketing list being accessed/sold/provided which includes names, addresses and emails of everyone in the state who has a WildID. Then, an exported and filtered list can be provided and absorbed into any email/CRM program for a quick blast email or form letter.
There's no other way for snail mail to be targeted in the way described.
In Wyoming they actually sell lists of unsuccessful applicants, I've bought the list before as it's a great marketing tool. :twocents:
Post by: haugenna on July 25, 2015, 08:44:39 AM
Post by: bullcanyon on July 25, 2015, 09:37:15 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 25, 2015, 11:54:02 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 26, 2015, 12:10:53 AM
Welcome and my only concern is showing successful white tails hunts and advertising for the white pass area? When I seen your ads first appear on yakima Craigslist I first it was possibly a scam. You're marketing for the White Pass area and showing a white tail kill? From the sound of some members you sound like a decent guy and knowledgeable of the area so best of luck and again welcome. :tup:
It appears this has been asked a couple times, not speaking for the outfitter, but on his website he advertises " jet sled hunts" which I highly doubt he does on the tieton or American rivers, but rather the snake or Columbia rivers??? Just a thunk....
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on July 28, 2015, 08:53:20 AM
I was trying to let the hunters that drew tags know that there will be an outfitter
working the area again. (364,356,360 AND CAMPS IN THE UPPER PART 513 AND 516
Thanks and good luck hunting
White Pass Outfitters
KD
Post by: h20hunter on July 28, 2015, 08:56:11 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on July 28, 2015, 07:46:08 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 29, 2015, 06:59:12 AM
Post by: dreamunelk on July 29, 2015, 07:36:24 AM
I'd be a little PO'd at the WDFW for giving out my info. I do not like that at all.. I'd call WDFW and give them a piece of my mind. I'm on the do not call list and subscribe to have all junk mailed stopped.
WY, NV, and OR (probably more) all give out information also. I read somewhere that it is public record.
FYI - It's public info, you can apply for this type info in most any state.
:yeah:
All he has to do is file a PDR. WDFW has no choice.
Post by: Timberstalker on July 29, 2015, 07:49:19 AM
Welcome.....everything offends Campmeat :tup:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: go4itlab on July 29, 2015, 08:55:35 PM
Post by: fisheral87 on July 30, 2015, 08:15:26 PM
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on July 31, 2015, 08:53:34 AM
We due offer Archery, a favorite of mine. Rifle and Muzzleloader hunts.
Thanks And Good Luck Hunting
White Pass Outfitters
KD
Post by: nw_bowhunter on August 01, 2015, 08:45:37 AM
Hello Everyone, I want to apologize to the people that I a fended by sending out flyers. (camp meat)
I was trying to let the hunters that drew tags know that there will be an outfitter
working the area again. (364,356,360 AND CAMPS IN THE UPPER PART 513 AND 516
Thanks and good luck hunting
White Pass Outfitters
KD
Personally sending out flyers would not bother me and if I was drawn in the area you guided it would be helpful. When I was drawn for WY I was sent information and it was a benefit.
Post by: outdooraddict on October 08, 2015, 12:18:23 AM
Brad
Post by: 2MANY on October 08, 2015, 08:54:56 AM
Post by: buckandbullminingco on October 08, 2015, 09:06:08 AM
he just got the lease, so no one will have any info on him. after jerry lost the lease they were talking about not re-issuing it. wish they wouldn't have. talked to him by phone seems like a good guy.go a little further north in the bumping and use paul Wilson of Chinook outfitters would be my advice if you want to go that route
Im a little late to this post but my family has used paul with chinook pass outfitters for 15 years. Stand up quality guy and crew. He has my vote 100% of the time
Post by: TheHunt on October 08, 2015, 12:07:27 PM
Post by: horsepacker on October 08, 2015, 08:31:03 PM
Post by: Jarhead Chase on October 09, 2015, 12:41:22 AM
Post by: Whitpirate on October 09, 2015, 05:05:21 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 09, 2015, 06:36:39 PM
Welcome Kent. The only thing I have to add is that if you want to win people over on here post lots of pictures of dead animals and try not to keep the anticipation level too high (looking at you Plat). 😅
:dunno: whaaaaa........what did I do? :dunno:
(insert General Maximus voice), "WERE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED, WERE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?!?" (Throws imaginary keyboard at imaginary computer screen). >:(
:chuckle:
Post by: Jarhead Chase on October 09, 2015, 06:54:58 PM