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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: Bob33 on July 29, 2015, 08:38:31 AM

Title: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: Bob33 on July 29, 2015, 08:38:31 AM: Anyone ever tried this?

http://www.gohunt.com/read/skills/increased-accuracy-from-an-open-sight-muzzleloader
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 29, 2015, 08:42:42 AM: Look at my setup on my Cabelas Hawken on a previous thread here. I haven't shot it enough at long range yet to see how it works, but it definitely seems to be an improvement. I don't agree with his choice of reticle for the front, the guy must not feel comfortable with a normal peep and post.
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: The100Road on July 29, 2015, 08:48:40 AM: i havent tried it but i think that looks like an awesome idea. i have the same complaints as he does with the other set up. the only concern i would have with his suggested set up would be sight in low light conditions. might have to give it a shot. thanks.
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: MountainDevil54 on July 29, 2015, 08:56:46 AM: that will clover a lot more of the target that a fiber optic. If it worked as well as they claim, they would have offered a target comparison.
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 29, 2015, 08:59:22 AM: I found my post. Here's what I've done. Its nice because now the front sight post is small enough that it doesn't cover a whole deer at 100 yards like my old setup did. The fiber optic is nice, but not perfect.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,172762.0.html
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: The100Road on July 29, 2015, 09:03:40 AM: Quote from: luvmystang67 on July 29, 2015, 08:59:22 AM
I found my post. Here's what I've done. Its nice because now the front sight post is small enough that it doesn't cover a whole deer at 100 yards like my old setup did. The fiber optic is nice, but not perfect.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,172762.0.html
that looks great as well. might send you a pm when i get home and can look into this a little more. should be able to find something for a knight disc extreme you think?
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: whacker1 on July 29, 2015, 09:04:38 AM: I had not seen the target globe from Lyman before. I would totally explore that idea and front site.

I have been trying to get the hood for the fiberoptic beed from Williams to frame the beed in the same fashion as you would an archery sight in the peep. I noticed that no one makes a site like that and Sabotloader and I have talked extensively about this. Only thing holding me up is a new front ramp. I took the measurements from the wrong point when I last called Williams and i just haven't re-measured and ordered.
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 29, 2015, 09:25:28 AM: I can't understand why someone doesn't make a hooded fiber optic front sight with a 0.01 fiber. Like archery sights have. The fiber can wrap around the hood like a bow sight also. The front sight on my knight has a huge fiber optic.
Maybe this already exists and i just can't find it?
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 29, 2015, 09:27:15 AM: Quote from: BULLBLASTER on July 29, 2015, 09:25:28 AM
I can't understand why someone doesn't make a hooded fiber optic front sight with a 0.01 fiber. Like archery sights have. The fiber can wrap around the hood like a bow sight also. The front sight on my knight has a huge fiber optic.
Maybe this already exists and i just can't find it?

Agreed, and no it doesn't exist. I've been thinking about that same thing since I started this project. Quitting my job to make it now...
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: MountainDevil54 on July 29, 2015, 09:33:01 AM: Quote from: luvmystang67 on July 29, 2015, 08:59:22 AM
I found my post. Here's what I've done. Its nice because now the front sight post is small enough that it doesn't cover a whole deer at 100 yards like my old setup did. The fiber optic is nice, but not perfect.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,172762.0.html

Completely worthless IMO. That red optic shows the metal being out of round which will make for poor precision point of aim. The black metal around the optic also voids the point of the fiber optic. One is supposed to sight in with the very tip of the fiber optic or metal sight.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=172762.0;attach=347502;image)
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 29, 2015, 09:34:22 AM: I switched from the blade and buckhorn to the small white bead and tang peep, huge difference (well for me anyways). But like the guy said, glue/locktite the sites down if you have to. I remember once I hammered the front in figuring that was good enough. Then went and shot a bunch before the season, as the barrel warmed the front dovetail moved out the reverse it was hammered in. :yike:
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: MountainDevil54 on July 29, 2015, 10:09:22 AM: peen the dovetail for a tight fit.
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: huntnnw on July 29, 2015, 02:43:48 PM: It blows me away they haven't made a better front sight option for muzzles
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: Utah on July 29, 2015, 06:17:37 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on July 29, 2015, 08:38:31 AM
Anyone ever tried this?

http://www.gohunt.com/read/skills/increased-accuracy-from-an-open-sight-muzzleloader

Thanks alot for that link!
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: MountainDevil54 on July 29, 2015, 07:24:59 PM: Quote from: huntnnw on July 29, 2015, 02:43:48 PM
It blows me away they haven't made a better front sight option for muzzles

Truglow used to make the Globe front sight which was amazing. It was hooded and had a sleeve that rotated and opened or closed off light to the fiber optic so it wasnt so bright. It was as perfect a sight you could get for a muzzy.
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: bobcat on July 29, 2015, 07:27:02 PM: Quote from: MountainDevil54 on July 29, 2015, 07:24:59 PM
Quote from: huntnnw on July 29, 2015, 02:43:48 PM
It blows me away they haven't made a better front sight option for muzzles

Truglow used to make the Globe front sight which was amazing. It was hooded and had a sleeve that rotated and opened or closed off light to the fiber optic so it wasnt so bright. It was as perfect a sight you could get for a muzzy.

Like the one that's on my Optima that I bought from you?
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: The100Road on July 29, 2015, 07:37:25 PM: Quote from: MountainDevil54 on July 29, 2015, 07:24:59 PM
Quote from: huntnnw on July 29, 2015, 02:43:48 PM
It blows me away they haven't made a better front sight option for muzzles

Truglow used to make the Globe front sight which was amazing. It was hooded and had a sleeve that rotated and opened or closed off light to the fiber optic so it wasnt so bright. It was as perfect a sight you could get for a muzzy.
do you know why they discontinued them?
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: MountainDevil54 on July 29, 2015, 07:55:38 PM: Quote from: bobcat on July 29, 2015, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: MountainDevil54 on July 29, 2015, 07:24:59 PM
Quote from: huntnnw on July 29, 2015, 02:43:48 PM
It blows me away they haven't made a better front sight option for muzzles

Truglow used to make the Globe front sight which was amazing. It was hooded and had a sleeve that rotated and opened or closed off light to the fiber optic so it wasnt so bright. It was as perfect a sight you could get for a muzzy.

Like the one that's on my Optima that I bought from you?
Yes thats exactly the one.

No clue why they stopped. Slow sales, who knows. Most of muzzleloading folks get to use scopes these days and open sights are just a smaller market.
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: j_h_nimrod on July 29, 2015, 10:02:49 PM: It is sad anymore, the lack of skill with open sights. Most people jump right to a scope and never train themselves, their brains, or their eyes to effectively use open sights. In the long run if you can use open sights well it makes you a better shooter with scopes or whatever other sighting system you use. It is the same as the newer breed of shooters thinking more powerful scopes will make you a better shooter when in reality it is just compensating for a lack of skill.

That said, I would like to see a .01 fiber optic front sight for more precise shot placement.
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: MountainDevil54 on July 29, 2015, 10:28:34 PM: I prefer a german blade front sight personally. Im backing to shooting a Hawken and after some experimenting, found what works perfect for my eye sight and have been happy since.
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on August 18, 2015, 12:58:34 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on July 29, 2015, 08:38:31 AM
Anyone ever tried this?

http://www.gohunt.com/read/skills/increased-accuracy-from-an-open-sight-muzzleloader

Yup ;) on every Muzzleloader I've hunted with in the last 15 years. Works excellent in my opinion.
Title: Re: Increased accuracy from an open sight muzzleloader
Post by: kellama2001 on August 20, 2015, 04:59:31 PM: Great article! Thanks for sharing! Took my first muzzy mulie last year, can't wait for this season!