Post by: Evoac05 on August 06, 2015, 06:40:54 AM
Post by: headshot5 on August 06, 2015, 06:51:43 AM
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 06, 2015, 07:24:43 AM
I never pass up a chance to kill a coyote.only thing coyote killing is gonna do to your deer spot is make it better. Aggressive coyote activity is one of the largest factors in pushing deer from an area.
Post by: buckmaster_wa on August 06, 2015, 07:27:45 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 06, 2015, 07:32:12 AM
The only caveat is if I am photographing instead of packing.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 06, 2015, 07:40:55 AM
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Post by: MLBowhunting on August 06, 2015, 08:10:56 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 06, 2015, 08:23:07 AM
Last year on September 2nd, I was driving to a still hunting spot at first light when a big red mountain coyote ran across the road. He never ran away as I pulled over, shut the rig off, put my release on, nocked an arrow, ranged him and drew back...at 67 yards it was a tough shot in the wind. I held the 60 pin above his nose (wind) and touched off. That was the sweetest shot I could ever be lucky enough to make. Straight through the shoulders and double lung. Sure I broke an arrow and delayed a deer hunt but I don't regret it :tup:
The only time more satisfying to whack one is when it's winter and they are running my whitetail around.
Post by: Special T on August 06, 2015, 10:00:55 AM
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 06, 2015, 10:26:31 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 06, 2015, 11:06:12 AM
unless you are rifle hunting. Then you have to decide, Do I shoot the coyote and take the chance scaring off any deer that might be near by? Or let the coyote go until another day? I generally choose to let the dogs walk during deer season.Generally!?!!! More like always! Drives me insane some of the dogs you let walk! :chuckle:
Post by: MountainWalk on August 06, 2015, 11:11:35 AM
Post by: Evoac05 on August 06, 2015, 07:33:31 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on August 06, 2015, 07:35:54 PM
My time deer hunting is usually very limited so I'm not going to take a chance and shoot a coyote during deer season. Unless I'm done hunting for the morning and headed back to the truck or something like that. But while sitting in a stand? No way.
I agree. If I am leaving soon or transitioning between locations I might take one, but normally they are safe if I am on a stand or still hunting.
Post by: jdb on August 06, 2015, 08:21:15 PM
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Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 07, 2015, 02:00:27 AM
Post by: jasnt on August 07, 2015, 05:56:45 AM
I stopped shooting them, because our farmer asked us to. He wants them alive to help keep the mice and rodent population down.you should let him know that the more mature coyotes you take out the more young there will be next year. The young in-experienced coyote rely on rodents much more than mature coyotes.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 07, 2015, 05:08:23 PM
I stopped shooting them, because our farmer asked us to. He wants them alive to help keep the mice and rodent population down.you should let him know that the more mature coyotes you take out the more young there will be next year. The young in-experienced coyote rely on rodents much more than mature coyotes.
Interesting...thanks for the insight. GH
Post by: huntandjeep on August 07, 2015, 06:41:04 PM
Shoot them year 'round..:yeah:
Post by: Birdguy on August 07, 2015, 08:39:54 PM
Post by: grundy53 on August 08, 2015, 12:19:37 AM
Post by: Landowner on August 08, 2015, 10:31:57 AM
Coyotes have negligible impact on deer and fawns in our area, and the same with elk calves. Deer populations are way up, especially whitetails. I'm sure this might be a different result in areas without high rodent populations like SE WA where we have a lot of grain and legume crops that attract rodents.
If you have ever seen a doe with a fawn (or a herd of does around fawns) deal with a coyote, you can see why coyotes stick to the rodents. The odds of a coyote getting to an elk calf and killing it is, well, pretty much zero. Coyotes will work over the family pets and lambs and cow calves given a chance, but it's not very common around the area we live. They also can do some damage to upland birds at certain times of the year.
Blue collar workers is how I and a lot of property owners around us consider coyotes, and unless a coyote is causing obvious problems, they get a pass because they do a lot of good.
Post by: grundy53 on August 08, 2015, 11:25:20 AM
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Post by: Landowner on August 08, 2015, 11:30:07 AM
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Post by: Landowner on August 08, 2015, 11:45:31 AM
when rifle hunting don't blast the yotes cuz it tells the land owner I am trespassing. lol mike w
Good viewpoint. I've busted a fair number number of road hunters by keeping an ear out for 'em. :chuckle:
WDFW and the Sheriff love road hunter calls. :tup:
Post by: grundy53 on August 08, 2015, 11:52:22 AM
I live with them every day (a lot of coyotes) and see scat pretty much every day. Rarely have seen sign of fawn consumption. But see a heckuva lot of rodent hair.The coyotes must be different where I frequent.
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Post by: Landowner on August 08, 2015, 12:00:44 PM
I live with them every day (a lot of coyotes) and see scat pretty much every day. Rarely have seen sign of fawn consumption. But see a heckuva lot of rodent hair.The coyotes must be different where I frequent.
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As I mentioned, it could be that there is a difference in rodent populations from one area to another. Lots of grain and legumes here, and lots of rodents as easy hunting for coyotes because of the food supply.
But with boots on the ground every day in the middle of where these animals live, I'm pretty comfortable with my views and those of my neighbors that coyotes have negligible impact on a deer population that has been booming for many years now, and is higher than it probably has ever been in our area. I will say, though, that I won't be surprised with the drought we are in (and look to be in for a while) that the drought may have a negative impact for a while on deer populations.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 08, 2015, 12:03:44 PM
I think anytime your talking agriculture areas (dayton), fawn predation will be lower due to the large amount of mice, which are much easier to catch than deer. Sage and timber country the deer predation is higher due to less rodents. I've read some good research on the subject that pretty much states exactly that. Val Geist goes into good detail on coyotes pressure and its effect on deer.I live with them every day (a lot of coyotes) and see scat pretty much every day. Rarely have seen sign of fawn consumption. But see a heckuva lot of rodent hair.The coyotes must be different where I frequent.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 08, 2015, 12:07:43 PM
Must have been typing at the same time. I agree. Be glad your deer pop is booming though, I hunt on the north side of the river and they just continue to decline. Mule deer in north america as a whole continue to decline actually.I live with them every day (a lot of coyotes) and see scat pretty much every day. Rarely have seen sign of fawn consumption. But see a heckuva lot of rodent hair.The coyotes must be different where I frequent.
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As I mentioned, it could be that there is a difference in rodent populations from one area to another. Lots of grain and legumes here, and lots of rodents as easy hunting for coyotes because of the food supply.
But with boots on the ground every day in the middle of where these animals live, I'm pretty comfortable with my views and those of my neighbors that coyotes have negligible impact on a deer population that has been booming for many years now, and is higher than it probably has ever been in our area. I will say, though, that I won't be surprised with the drought we are in (and look to be in for a while) that the drought may have a negative impact for a while on deer populations.
Post by: Landowner on August 08, 2015, 12:28:56 PM
I think anytime your talking agriculture areas (dayton), fawn predation will be lower due to the large amount of mice, which are much easier to catch than deer. Sage and timber country the deer predation is higher due to less rodents. I've read some good research on the subject that pretty much states exactly that. Val Geist goes into good detail on coyotes pressure and its effect on deer.I live with them every day (a lot of coyotes) and see scat pretty much every day. Rarely have seen sign of fawn consumption. But see a heckuva lot of rodent hair.The coyotes must be different where I frequent.
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Agreed, that makes sense.
Post by: turbo on August 08, 2015, 12:30:48 PM
Post by: Landowner on August 08, 2015, 12:32:34 PM
Must have been typing at the same time. I agree. Be glad your deer pop is booming though, I hunt on the north side of the river and they just continue to decline. Mule deer in north america as a whole continue to decline actually.I live with them every day (a lot of coyotes) and see scat pretty much every day. Rarely have seen sign of fawn consumption. But see a heckuva lot of rodent hair.The coyotes must be different where I frequent.
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As I mentioned, it could be that there is a difference in rodent populations from one area to another. Lots of grain and legumes here, and lots of rodents as easy hunting for coyotes because of the food supply.
But with boots on the ground every day in the middle of where these animals live, I'm pretty comfortable with my views and those of my neighbors that coyotes have negligible impact on a deer population that has been booming for many years now, and is higher than it probably has ever been in our area. I will say, though, that I won't be surprised with the drought we are in (and look to be in for a while) that the drought may have a negative impact for a while on deer populations.
I'd be in favor down here with a moratorium on killing any mule bucks for 3 years, and then open it up to limited drawing only for a few years to see how it works out. There isn't any other way to get the legal mulie buck population up with the lack of cover and current hunting pressure IMO.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 08, 2015, 01:16:13 PM
:yeah: Hard to live past 2 1/2 when you can't escape a quad or pickup truck.Must have been typing at the same time. I agree. Be glad your deer pop is booming though, I hunt on the north side of the river and they just continue to decline. Mule deer in north america as a whole continue to decline actually.I live with them every day (a lot of coyotes) and see scat pretty much every day. Rarely have seen sign of fawn consumption. But see a heckuva lot of rodent hair.The coyotes must be different where I frequent.
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As I mentioned, it could be that there is a difference in rodent populations from one area to another. Lots of grain and legumes here, and lots of rodents as easy hunting for coyotes because of the food supply.
But with boots on the ground every day in the middle of where these animals live, I'm pretty comfortable with my views and those of my neighbors that coyotes have negligible impact on a deer population that has been booming for many years now, and is higher than it probably has ever been in our area. I will say, though, that I won't be surprised with the drought we are in (and look to be in for a while) that the drought may have a negative impact for a while on deer populations.
I'd be in favor down here with a moratorium on killing any mule bucks for 3 years, and then open it up to limited drawing only for a few years to see how it works out. There isn't any other way to get the legal mulie buck population up with the lack of cover and current hunting pressure IMO.
Post by: packmule on August 08, 2015, 07:21:37 PM
:yeah: Hard to live past 2 1/2 when you can't escape a quad or pickup truck.Must have been typing at the same time. I agree. Be glad your deer pop is booming though, I hunt on the north side of the river and they just continue to decline. Mule deer in north america as a whole continue to decline actually.I live with them every day (a lot of coyotes) and see scat pretty much every day. Rarely have seen sign of fawn consumption. But see a heckuva lot of rodent hair.The coyotes must be different where I frequent.
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As I mentioned, it could be that there is a difference in rodent populations from one area to another. Lots of grain and legumes here, and lots of rodents as easy hunting for coyotes because of the food supply.
But with boots on the ground every day in the middle of where these animals live, I'm pretty comfortable with my views and those of my neighbors that coyotes have negligible impact on a deer population that has been booming for many years now, and is higher than it probably has ever been in our area. I will say, though, that I won't be surprised with the drought we are in (and look to be in for a while) that the drought may have a negative impact for a while on deer populations.
I'd be in favor down here with a moratorium on killing any mule bucks for 3 years, and then open it up to limited drawing only for a few years to see how it works out. There isn't any other way to get the legal mulie buck population up with the lack of cover and current hunting pressure IMO.
Spot on statement there.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 08, 2015, 10:01:42 PM
:yeah: Hard to live past 2 1/2 when you can't escape a quad or pickup truck.Must have been typing at the same time. I agree. Be glad your deer pop is booming though, I hunt on the north side of the river and they just continue to decline. Mule deer in north america as a whole continue to decline actually.I live with them every day (a lot of coyotes) and see scat pretty much every day. Rarely have seen sign of fawn consumption. But see a heckuva lot of rodent hair.The coyotes must be different where I frequent.
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As I mentioned, it could be that there is a difference in rodent populations from one area to another. Lots of grain and legumes here, and lots of rodents as easy hunting for coyotes because of the food supply.
But with boots on the ground every day in the middle of where these animals live, I'm pretty comfortable with my views and those of my neighbors that coyotes have negligible impact on a deer population that has been booming for many years now, and is higher than it probably has ever been in our area. I will say, though, that I won't be surprised with the drought we are in (and look to be in for a while) that the drought may have a negative impact for a while on deer populations.
I'd be in favor down here with a moratorium on killing any mule bucks for 3 years, and then open it up to limited drawing only for a few years to see how it works out. There isn't any other way to get the legal mulie buck population up with the lack of cover and current hunting pressure IMO.
Spot on statement there.
Or the pumpkin patch of hunters in every draw and canyon. And don't forget the trillion doe permits throughout SE WA. Dayton may be "booming" in deer population, but I think that is more related to the majority of the hunting ground being private or closed to hunting.
How is the deer population doing in the PSE and Pacific Corp wind farms, which house a trillion hunters annually?
The WSDFW ruined that area of Marengo/Dayton with too many hunters, doe permits, youth, and 65 older permits. Not near the deer there once was.
Post by: Seabass on August 09, 2015, 05:43:16 PM
Last season I thought I saw a dog on his way in while on stand during late archery. I stood up and grabbed my bow and when I turned around (very slowly) I was shocked to see that the moving brown I had seen at 75 yards turned out to be a cat. I smoked that sucker at 17 yards. Had I been a passer of dogs I would have never had the opportunity to shoot that cat. Not many dudes have killed cats with a bow and when they have it's typically the cat in the tree and the hunter on the ground.
Post by: MountainWalk on August 09, 2015, 06:35:01 PM
Post by: 2labs on August 09, 2015, 06:52:09 PM
Kick his ass , Seabass.
Tommy Boy! A classic
Post by: erk444 on August 09, 2015, 07:51:45 PM
I thought it was Dumb and Dumber?Kick his ass , Seabass.
Tommy Boy! A classic
Post by: 2labs on August 09, 2015, 08:06:17 PM
I thought it was Dumb and Dumber?Kick his ass , Seabass.
I think you got me there? Another classic. "John Denver's fulla sh.."
Tommy Boy! A classic
Post by: emac on August 09, 2015, 08:45:20 PM
Shoot em this is in se wa don't think they just like rodents
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I live with them every day (a lot of coyotes) and see scat pretty much every day. Rarely have seen sign of fawn consumption. But see a heckuva lot of rodent hair.
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Post by: jasnt on August 11, 2015, 06:05:00 AM
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Post by: jasnt on August 11, 2015, 07:26:40 AM
BS!! I have spent many nights watching whitetails behavior over the last 25 years more like thousands of days. Hell I lived in clayton, WA on a huge alfalfa ranch and had access to some of the best areas around. I watched deer daily for years out my door.. They had depredation hunts starting Aug 15 at my place where I on avg would watch 80 deer feed a night and 30 of them bucks with 10 of them being 4 1/2 or older. Guess what I didnt even hunt my own place in 5 years! why?? That first shot went off Aug 15 in that field ended every buck sighting on that field till next spring! maybe a spike would come out and some does. This wasnt just there, but everywhere I have witnessed.we shoot almost daily at our place. So do all the neighbors. I can be shooting my 300wm and look over to the left and watch deer grazing in our pasture. Call BS all you want but I see it daily
I'll ad that deer being shot at act much different than deer that just hear shots
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