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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: TRD1911 on August 08, 2015, 10:24:33 PM

Title: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: TRD1911 on August 08, 2015, 10:24:33 PM: I finally tracked down a decently priced Gen4 Glock 20 today and looking to put together a good bear load. Of course I know, "start low and build up" but im looking for good info on your preferred projectiles and why? Any first hand experience with this round against bear?

Thanks
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: sled on August 08, 2015, 10:28:04 PM: When hunting, or hiking I carry buffalo bore 220 gr hard cast.
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Post by: Dan-o on August 08, 2015, 10:31:11 PM: I can't help you, but I will be tagging along.
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: sled on August 08, 2015, 10:50:53 PM: Forgot to mention that I finished bear number 2 with a 10 yard pass through shot last year. Maybe a little much, but with bears and cats I'm not screwing around!
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: 2labs on August 08, 2015, 10:59:18 PM: Might not wanna mention that. Asinine W.A. Rules
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: grundy53 on August 08, 2015, 11:01:48 PM: Quote from: 2labs on August 08, 2015, 10:59:18 PM
Might not wanna mention that. Asinine W.A. Rules
What rules would that be breaking?

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Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: 2labs on August 08, 2015, 11:05:56 PM: Maybe I'm wrong shouldn't have mentioned it. Legal weapon. Barrel length all the other happy horse stuff
Personally I think you should be able to finish an animal with a .22 pistol.
Sorry if I ruffled feathers. Not an Internet cop.
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: Elk whack master on August 09, 2015, 12:11:18 AM: Just remember that if you want to use full power 10 mm in your glock , get a fully supported barrel. I'm sure the stock one will do fine but it only takes one to make a bad day. i run 200 gr hornday xtp loaded to the max with power pistol. No pressure signs on the case, I could go a little hotter but i have the glock barrel in it now. Have heard of using 110 or 2400 for hot loads but I use blue dot or power pistol mostly.
6" barrel may help with getting more power out of your loads.
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: TRD1911 on August 09, 2015, 06:26:55 AM: It was my understanding that they fixed the unsupported barrel issue with the Gen4 models?

I really like the XTP'S im my 1911's but have heard that a hard cast or FMJ is better for bear since expansion=limited penetration?
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: NW-GSP on August 09, 2015, 06:54:58 AM: Quote from: TRD1911 on August 09, 2015, 06:26:55 AM
It was my understanding that they fixed the unsupported barrel issue with the Gen4 models?

I really like the XTP'S im my 1911's but have heard that a hard cast or FMJ is better for bear since expansion=limited penetration?

The unsupported barrel was made for reliability. Also due to the hexagonal barrel you should not shoot lead out of it due to the risk of build up and blowing the barrel.
Go to lone wolf and get a aftermarket barrel they are around $110.

I have a gen 4 g20 and like it allot. My advice is to reload.
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: thinkingman on August 09, 2015, 08:28:59 AM: Quote from: sled on August 08, 2015, 10:28:04 PM
When hunting, or hiking I carry buffalo bore 220 gr hard cast.
Hard cast lead for serious work.
Sounds like you need a new barrel for the appropriate load.
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 09, 2015, 08:37:06 AM: Shudda bought a Rock Island Armory 1911 in 10mm, no worries then.....just kidding. I've got a Glock 29sf too and wouldn't worry about using hardcast ammo in any quality pistol..
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Post by: yorketransport on August 09, 2015, 08:56:48 AM: I liked the 200gr XTP or a heavy cast bullet in my 10mm pistols. Shooting hard cast lead in a factory barrel isn't a problem if you keep it clean. Soft swaged lead bullets are a bad idea though.

Or you could just get a S&W 610 and have some real fun! :tup:

Andrew
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: TRD1911 on August 09, 2015, 11:41:46 AM: Hmmm, I purposely went with the Gen4 in thinking that the support issue was resolved. I replaced the factory barrels on my gen3 G26 and G19 with lone wolf threaded (a pipe-dream of buying a suppressor for them some day) so Ill go ahead and do the same on the G20. Seems like this should have been resolved by the release of the 4th generation though :dunno:

It looks like the XTP will be a good option until I get the new barrel though. And for those of you saying that I should buy more guns; youre preaching to the choir on that one :tup: I love me some 1911's (see name) so I may have to keep an eye open for a Rock Island or Colt. Thanks again for tge help.
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Post by: KFhunter on August 09, 2015, 12:37:59 PM: 200gr XTP I think is the way to go for hunting. A self defense round should probably be hard cast so you can break shoulders on a charge, but hunting you should be thinking about placement and bleed out = expansion. A hard cast through the boiler room might give the bear more time to run and less blood to follow.

If you search hog hunting with the 10mm the XTP is a proven round

I'd also run the lone wolf barrel, stainless guide rod and 24lb spring. I can also verify that it cycles just fine with a 24lb spring and .40S&W barrel, the brass doesn't go far though kind of lands at your feet :chuckle:

My next adventure will be the 9×25mm Dillon for hunting
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Post by: KFhunter on August 09, 2015, 01:10:16 PM: Here is another bullet I have some interest in, might be a compromise from hard cast to 'expansion' as it directs jets of soft tissue destroying energy outward

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,179253.msg2373297.html#msg2373297
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: Elk whack master on August 09, 2015, 02:16:47 PM: Quote from: TRD1911 on August 09, 2015, 06:26:55 AM
It was my understanding that they fixed the unsupported barrel issue with the Gen4 models?

I really like the XTP'S im my 1911's but have heard that a hard cast or FMJ is better for bear since expansion=limited penetration?
I just read that they did support the barrel more now but the back of brass that hangs out is the solid part so you should OK, as long as you stay within pressure specs.. Bears are tough but not THAT tough!! Lol :peep:
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: NW-GSP on August 09, 2015, 03:44:00 PM: Quote from: Elk whack master on August 09, 2015, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: TRD1911 on August 09, 2015, 06:26:55 AM
It was my understanding that they fixed the unsupported barrel issue with the Gen4 models?

I really like the XTP'S im my 1911's but have heard that a hard cast or FMJ is better for bear since expansion=limited penetration?
I just read that they did support the barrel more now but the back of brass that hangs out is the solid part so you should OK, as long as you stay within pressure specs.. Bears are tough but not THAT tough!! Lol :peep:

Good info
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: Bofire on August 09, 2015, 04:11:50 PM: :) I have seen a wounded bear killed by a Glock 19/ 9mm, one shot at about 10 feet, in the head. (wounded by a 338 mag,)
I have seen a wounded bear shot 3 times in the neck, at the base of the skull, with a 44 mag. 240 grain softpoints, Winchester load. Had to be shot with 30/06 to kill it. Bullets penetrated about 3 inches.
I have seen a bear killed at about 2 feet in the dark using a flashlight, 357 mag 158 grain HP, one shot in the head.
there is a lot to know about killing.
Carl
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: grundy53 on August 09, 2015, 06:28:51 PM: Quote from: 2labs on August 08, 2015, 11:05:56 PM
Maybe I'm wrong shouldn't have mentioned it. Legal weapon. Barrel length all the other happy horse stuff
Personally I think you should be able to finish an animal with a .22 pistol.
Sorry if I ruffled feathers. Not an Internet cop.
I wasn't trying to call you out or anything. I was just curious if I missed something. But this pistol is legal. It has a 4 inch barrel and is over .24 caliber.

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Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on August 09, 2015, 06:33:05 PM: Quote from: Bofire on August 09, 2015, 04:11:50 PM
:) I have seen a wounded bear killed by a Glock 19/ 9mm, one shot at about 10 feet, in the head. (wounded by a 338 mag,)
I have seen a wounded bear shot 3 times in the neck, at the base of the skull, with a 44 mag. 240 grain softpoints, Winchester load. Had to be shot with 30/06 to kill it. Bullets penetrated about 3 inches.
I have seen a bear killed at about 2 feet in the dark using a flashlight, 357 mag 158 grain HP, one shot in the head.
there is a lot to know about killing.
Carl

:yeah:
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 09, 2015, 06:40:59 PM: Washington Black Bears are wusses, there's nothing mythicaly tough about them. I consider them another rodent/varmint, one step above a RockChuck.
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: tbotts on August 09, 2015, 06:46:51 PM: Double Tap 200gr hard cast solids.
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: KFhunter on August 09, 2015, 06:49:49 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on August 09, 2015, 06:40:59 PM
Washington Black Bears are wusses, there's nothing mythicaly tough about them. I consider them another rodent/varmint, one step above a RockChuck.

Well ya! The stuff you shoot at black bears is like hitting a rock chuck with a .223 :chuckle:
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: JoeE on August 09, 2015, 07:38:13 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on August 09, 2015, 06:40:59 PM
Washington Black Bears are wusses, there's nothing mythicaly tough about them. I consider them another rodent/varmint, one step above a RockChuck.

:yeah:
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: TRD1911 on August 10, 2015, 10:00:06 AM: A lot of good info here but not much in regards to my original question - What is your 10mm bear / defense load?

Clarification: I will be carrying this as a sidearm during archery season; not my primary weapon.
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: JoeE on August 10, 2015, 10:30:42 AM: In Alaska this past year I carried Double Tap 200 grain wide nose hard cast in my Glock 20. From my reading and research before I went up there that seemed to be the popular choice with people up there carrying 10mm for bear defense. It was either Buffalo bore or Double Tap 200 or 220 grain. I tried both brands in both 200 and 220 grain and the 200s fed best in my gun.
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Post by: headshot5 on August 10, 2015, 10:59:49 AM: I'm running 180XTP handloads in mine. I looked into 200XTP's, but from all I have seen (ballistic gelatin tests etc) you don't gain much and expansion/penetration is about equal. Plus I can run the 180 grain bullets in my .40 S&W handloads.
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 10, 2015, 11:03:08 AM: Quote from: headshot5 on August 10, 2015, 10:59:49 AM
I'm running 180XTP handloads in mine. I looked into 200XTP's, but from all I have seen (ballistic gelatin tests etc) you don't gain much and expansion/penetration is about equal. Plus I can run the 180 grain bullets in my .40 S&W handloads.

This. But I also typically use the 155 XTPs in the .40 S&W handloads.
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: TRD1911 on August 10, 2015, 01:09:38 PM: Quote from: JoeE on August 10, 2015, 10:30:42 AM
In Alaska this past year I carried Double Tap 200 grain wide nose hard cast in my Glock 20. From my reading and research before I went up there that seemed to be the popular choice with people up there carrying 10mm for bear defense. It was either Buffalo bore or Double Tap 200 or 220 grain. I tried both brands in both 200 and 220 grain and the 200s fed best in my gun.

Any issues with lead fouling? I may just invest in 100 rounds of this and load lighter (read - less expensive) rounds for routine practice
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: JoeE on August 10, 2015, 02:12:46 PM: No issues at all. I bought a lone wolf barrel but ended up not using it because I kept have trouble with feeding so I went with the stock barrel instead.
Title: Re: 10mm hunting sidearm load?
Post by: JoeE on August 10, 2015, 02:14:09 PM: And for less expensive rounds looks at the Underwood brand full metal jacket rounds.