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Title: Text book "Is he legal" spike
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 15, 2015, 10:34:50 PM: True spike area. I believe he is, what you say?
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Post by: bowhunterforever on August 16, 2015, 12:07:48 AM: True spike unit or reg spike unit?
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Post by: Dan-o on August 16, 2015, 12:27:09 AM: I say that's a legal bull in a true spike unit.
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Post by: chester on August 16, 2015, 01:40:54 AM: East side legal

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Post by: hunterofelk on August 16, 2015, 06:26:38 AM: True Spike Bull Restrictions: Bull elk taken in
these units (GMUs 251, 328-335) must have
both antlers with no branching originating more
than four inches above where the antlers attach
to the skull. Under the true spike restriction,
taking an elk that has two points on one
side or antler points within one inch of the
definitions regarding length of point, or point of
origination, is an infraction. All other types of
violations of the true spike restriction are subject to current penalties and assessments.

I see a branch antler over an inch long and very possibly four inches above the skull. I wouldn't shoot.
Title: Re: Text book "Is he legal" spike
Post by: Gringo31 on August 16, 2015, 06:28:13 AM: I'd shoot.

But, that would be with archery equipment and I'd get a closer look at what I feel is less than 4"
Title: Re: Text book "Is he legal" spike
Post by: hunterofelk on August 16, 2015, 06:43:16 AM: So now that I have pondered it some more...does the definition include the pedical bone that protrudes from the forehead of the skull? Or is it only the part of the antler that sheds? I always considered the bony stem that the antler grows out of as part of the antler and the skull is the bone below where it originates. If it is just the bone that sheds then that bull probably is legal. To add, I like the Montana branched antler bull definition. In Montana he would be considered a branch antlered bull.
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Post by: nw_bowhunter on August 16, 2015, 08:00:19 AM: I wouldn't shoot. Based on picture feel that would be to close to 4" and considered a branch antler bull.
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Post by: Timberstalker on August 16, 2015, 08:05:36 AM: Kill him.
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Post by: elkchaser54 on August 16, 2015, 10:56:56 AM: In a true spike area you really have to be careful. Its not worth getting the animal on the ground and having to make the phone call the WDFW. BUUTTT if you are in a spike only area, im blasting that SOB and eating elk steaks ! Just verify no branching on the tips and aim for the heart.
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Post by: turbo on August 17, 2015, 01:09:49 PM: legal
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Post by: vandeman17 on August 17, 2015, 04:11:56 PM: I say legal but does it matter if it is true spike or just a spike unit? He is either a true spike or a two by two correct?
Title: Re: Text book "Is he legal" spike
Post by: Woodchuck on August 17, 2015, 04:23:39 PM: Quote from: vandeman17 on August 17, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
I say legal but does it matter if it is true spike or just a spike unit? He is either a true spike or a two by two correct?
:yeah:
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Post by: Firedogg on August 17, 2015, 10:29:18 PM: From what I cannot see from that angle he gets a pass in true spike areas, watch him walk away and look for another.
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Post by: emac on August 21, 2015, 09:54:40 AM: I got one of those on cam too.

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Title: Re: Text book "Is he legal" spike
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 21, 2015, 10:00:02 AM: Quote from: vandeman17 on August 17, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
I say legal but does it matter if it is true spike or just a spike unit? He is either a true spike or a two by two correct?
that's what I think as well.
Title: Re: Text book "Is he legal" spike
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 21, 2015, 10:05:54 AM: Quote from: emac on August 21, 2015, 09:54:40 AM
I got one of those on cam too.

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now This one gets blasted .
Title: Re: Text book "Is he legal" spike
Post by: luvmystang67 on August 21, 2015, 10:08:09 AM: Quote from: D-Rock425 on August 21, 2015, 10:00:02 AM
Quote from: vandeman17 on August 17, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
I say legal but does it matter if it is true spike or just a spike unit? He is either a true spike or a two by two correct?
that's what I think as well.

Agree.

I'd say the antler part is the part that sheds. The stem of the antler is what I consider skull. I consider the start of the antler as the part that sheds, so basically anything from the base of the burl and up. I feel like that'd be the given definition from WDFW as well. It wouldn't make any sense for them to go from the cranium base as nobody can measure that on a living animal. If that were the intent I would assume they'd specify more clearly or just make no allowances for extra points at all.

That being said, with the branch under 4" from the burl, thats a shooter in a spike or spike only area.

Like others have said, it is either a 2x2 or a true spike, which would make it either legal in both types of areas or legal in none if you're unsure about the 4" rule.
Title: Re: Text book "Is he legal" spike
Post by: emac on August 21, 2015, 10:11:22 AM: Quote from: D-Rock425 on August 21, 2015, 10:05:54 AM
Quote from: emac on August 21, 2015, 09:54:40 AM
I got one of those on cam too.

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now This one gets blasted .
Hopefully my dad sticks him on Sept 12

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Title: Re: Text book "Is he legal" spike
Post by: rtspring on August 21, 2015, 10:15:24 AM: Shoot it! But Im passing on those little guys this year thank god :chuckle:
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Post by: emac on August 21, 2015, 10:16:57 AM: Quote from: rtspring on August 21, 2015, 10:15:24 AM
Shoot it! But Im passing on those little guys this year thank god :chuckle:
So am!! I hope I don't have to resort to shooting a little guy

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Post by: Jonathan_S on August 21, 2015, 10:35:29 AM: Who thinks you could fit a rough cut 4x4 block under those browtines?
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Post by: T-Magic on August 23, 2015, 09:42:54 AM: He is legal for a true spike unit and for a branched antlered tag. If you have seen that bull from all angles and know there are no points higher than 4" (His eye guards are under 4") he would be considered and is a true spike. Kicker is, he could also be considered a branched antlered bull because his eye guards are over 1" long.
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Post by: Rooster1981 on August 23, 2015, 03:10:27 PM: He's legal, put a tag on him. As a rule for my self single eye guards legal. Double eye guards don't shoot. Go measure a set of antlers.
Title: Re: Text book "Is he legal" spike
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 23, 2015, 07:53:26 PM: Quote from: rtspring on August 21, 2015, 10:15:24 AM
Shoot it! But Im passing on those little guys this year thank god :chuckle:

:chuckle: just think, you can legally shoot a 2 X2 though :chuckle:
Title: Re: Text book "Is he legal" spike
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 26, 2015, 02:15:52 PM: Quote from: PlateauNDN on August 23, 2015, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: rtspring on August 21, 2015, 10:15:24 AM
Shoot it! But Im passing on those little guys this year thank god :chuckle:

:chuckle: just think, you can legally shoot a 2 X2 though :chuckle:
oh snap :chuckle: