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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Mongo Hunter on September 17, 2015, 09:12:11 AM
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Alright so I know this idea has been beat to death but I like to have these types of conversations so I thought why not one more. The idea of a "get home" gun is not new and frankly is an idea I really think works for some of us who work rather far from home.
So here are the parameters:
1) you work 30+ mile from home
2) you carry a side arm every day
3) you will have to make at least one stop along the way
4) while space is not a big issue keep it in mind (discretion is more important)
5) cost is not a huge factor as well but again keep it in mind. this will be with you always and probly get kicked around a bit and possibly destroyed.
The reasoning for each gun I have selected, if there is one I missed please vote OTHER and explain.
Mossberg 500 Cruiser: These are cheap and plentiful, I literally just saw one at the last gunshow for just over $200. 12 gauge is also plentiful and hard to argue with. I have shot pistol grip shotguns before and they are not THAT big of a deal to me. Yes I'm a bit slower with one compared to a full size stock but I'm just as accurate at buckshot ranges, being smaller is an acceptable trade off for me. Cons are the limited ammo and range.
TNW Aero Survival: I really like how these things break down, and they use Glock mags which I carry anyways (I carry a G26 everyday and have G17 mags for reloads). I like the added range and ammo capacity as well. Cons are these thing have creeped up in price to over $600 and the scope leaves something to be desired and would probly get replaced (adding to cost). also while people have done reviews on them there hasn't been any done on long term durability and reliability (mud, dirt sand). Also slower to deploy.
AR-7: Small, light, inexpensive and self contained. Cons; I HATE the idea of using 22lr, to me its unacceptable for self defense. the only reason I am considering it is I have my normal EDC gun. Also slow to deploy and only 10rd mags.
Mares Leg .44Mag: VERY small and packs a big punch. I already have .44 mag so ammo is no big concern. cons are these are expensive for what they are, around $650. Also they are chopped down rifles and don't handle that great. also limited ammo.
KelTec Sub 2000: Fast to deploy and takes Glock mags. Cons; I don't like KelTec's and the thought of trusting my life to one makes me shiver. While I have friends who have had good luck with them, KelTecs QC and reputation for reliability is spotty. also These are expensive (about $500) and hard to find. However again I have my normal EDC if this thing goes down.
Alright guys what are your thoughts?
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I would pick the Mossberg. With a pocketful of slugs and buckshot, you can do a lot. Ammo is also cheaper for a shotgun, though bulkier to carry.
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I would pick the Mossberg as well but i would ad some type of folding stock to it and change the barrel to one the same length with rifle sights and removable chokes.
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Can't really go wrong with the shotty. But I have plans to build one of these as my Urban uh-oh gun.
http://www.mechtechsys.com/
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Other.
Stick with my sidearm and extra mags in that scenario. Concealable and low-profile. If I end up walking, I would rather be more mobile and inconspicuous than armed for crowd control or intermediate range engagements.
If we are talking WWIII, end of the world, stick with a standard AR or other battle rifle.
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Other.
Stick with my sidearm and extra mags in that scenario. Concealable and low-profile. If I end up walking, I would rather be more mobile and inconspicuous than armed for crowd control or intermediate range engagements.
If we are talking WWIII, end of the world, stick with a standard AR or other battle rifle.
Hence Parameter #4: Discretion. All these guns listed can fit in a small bag or even be concealed under a jacket.
The AR crossed my mind but like I said this will be with you 100% of the time. the odds of me ever needing it are slim, but the odds of me getting in a car accident over 30+ miles one way are actually statistically higher. If I were to get into an accident I would rather have a $250 Mossberg get destroyed over a $2000 AR.
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Fair point on price. I guess I could see the usefulness in riot suppression or crowd defense. But in those situations, I wouldn't want a long-arm concealed but at the ready. My first preference would have been to avoid those situations in the first place.
I don't want to derail the topic. Perhaps you could explain some scenarios that these selections would be useful or more useful than just your concealed sidearm.
Because, perhaps I need a new gun and don't know it yet.
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Because, perhaps I need a new gun and don't know it yet.
I just did this for b23 and I'm pretty sure his wife put a contract out on my head lol. Anyways there a couple scenarios were an extra firearm could come in handy.
1) Mass riots. I use to think this was not a reality but recent events have convinced me otherwise.
2) Civil unrest do to (insert event here)
3)I usually carry IWB on my hip. while driving this can be problematic to get to, so having another gun riding "shotgun" would be faster and easier to access possibly.
4) arming someone else that I needed to pick up or another person I have with me that maybe doesn't carry all the time. This could be do to bad weather and that person couldn't get out without a capable vehicle.
Just a couple thoughts. And frankly pistols suck. The only reasons we use them is they are handy, easy to conceal and keep with us all the time. Sometimes you just gotta have something bigger
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Already set up...
Got the ASR in 45ACP to go with my Glock 21.
Man sized targets to 200 yards can be done with the ASR...after that, the 45 is dropping like a stone.
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Gotcha! Then AR, for me. Or possibly some version of 12 gauge shotgun.
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Shotgun but I would shorten it up so it can be maneuvered easily within a house, stair cases and halls.
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I voted other.
P14/45 on my hip
Plus a folding stock AK in the truck
Plenty of ammo for both
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Because, perhaps I need a new gun and don't know it yet.
I just did this for b23 and I'm pretty sure his wife put a contract out on my head lol. Anyways there a couple scenarios were an extra firearm could come in handy.
My friend, you don't know the half of it!!
I completely sent her over the edge last week when I bought a new G20 Gen4 from Carpsniper.
I promised I'd stop looking for awhile but my "awhile" really just means I'm not looking at anymore, today! 😉
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Other-Remington 870 Police Model with 3 beed sight and a side saddle shell holder, flashlight mount in the pump handle. I would have one of the ammo belts rigged up to it like a sling. Considering that I would be carrying a handgun already, I would have the gun loaded with slugs for longer distances/ punching through things IE vehicle window or a door panel if needed to slow an attacker.
Other-Option 2 would be an Arsenal SLR 95 AK-47 with the side folding stock. The AK-47 is a rugged, reliable firearm that requires little to no maintenance to function properly every time. The 7.62x39 is an extremely effective round within the ranges of an AK (200 yards or so) With minimal cost of ammunition the availability of magazines, and the acceptable accuracy of the SLR models of AK's this would be an extremely viable option for a get home gun, Also with the added option of mounting an Eotech sight to one of these they are very fast handling weapons for multiple target engagements..
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always wanted that kel-tec KSG shot gun so I vote for that :chuckle:
bull pup design would be handy if you're trying to fight from within in a vehicle, slugs in one tube, shot in the other.
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Because, perhaps I need a new gun and don't know it yet.
I just did this for b23 and I'm pretty sure his wife put a contract out on my head lol. Anyways there a couple scenarios were an extra firearm could come in handy.
My friend, you don't know the half of it!!
I completely sent her over the edge last week when I bought a new G20 Gen4 from Carpsniper.
I promised I'd stop looking for awhile but my "awhile" really just means I'm not looking at anymore, today! 😉
Have you tried asking for the new safe yet :)
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Lots of good suggestions here guys. I think with the voting and what will fit my needs it looks like the Mossberg 500 wins. I also may look into the folding stock idea, I just never found one I really liked that was compact AND comfortable to shoot.
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Have you tried asking for the new safe yet :)
Oh yes! In fact its been a bit of a conversation piece in my house for awhile now. You wanna know what she had the "nerve" to suggest to me, ya, she told me maybe I should sell a few things then I'd have more room in the safe I currently have and wouldn't need a new one. I, kindly, suggested she talk to her Dr. about getting an MRI or CAT scan because I think she done slipped the cheese off her cracker or something. I mean that's just crazy talk, sell stuff to make room, rrrright! Like that's ever gonna happen. I keep waiting for the "right" opportunity to tell her I'm one of the first names on the waiting list for the new Sig SRD 45 suppressor. I've been keeping a bag packed so make sure you keep that spare bedroom ready for me, I may need it. :tup:
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Lots of good suggestions here guys. I think with the voting and what will fit my needs it looks like the Mossberg 500 wins. I also may look into the folding stock idea, I just never found one I really liked that was compact AND comfortable to shoot.
I just happen to have a Mossberg 835 just like this one http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Mossberg-835-Ulti-Mag-Thumbhole-Turkey-Shotgun&i=416700 that is unfired NIB that I'd make you a smoking good deal on. And if you bought it, maybe I wouldn't need that spare bedroom for awhile. :chuckle:
PM me and I can text or email you some actual pics if you'd like.
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I completely sent her over the edge last week when I bought a new G20 Gen4 from Carpsniper.
Dude, get yourself one of those Mechtech uppers for that. You can swap them back and forth and the 10mm is a screamer with a 16" barrel.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html
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Other.
Stick with my sidearm and extra mags in that scenario. Concealable and low-profile. If I end up walking, I would rather be more mobile and inconspicuous than armed for crowd control or intermediate range engagements.
If we are talking WWIII, end of the world, stick with a standard AR or other battle rifle.
Hence Parameter #4: Discretion. All these guns listed can fit in a small bag or even be concealed under a jacket.
The AR crossed my mind but like I said this will be with you 100% of the time. the odds of me ever needing it are slim, but the odds of me getting in a car accident over 30+ miles one way are actually statistically higher. If I were to get into an accident I would rather have a $250 Mossberg get destroyed over a $2000 AR.
When I pondered this question a few years ago my situation was this. I worked for a large aerospace company and my location was in the Duwamish area of Seattle :rolleyes:. My company had a strict policy of no firearms in vehicles on company property. I envisioned a scenario where I would be at work and an earthquake would hit and all transportation routes to my home 35 miles south would be disrupted. I would have to walk and possibly fight my way through a disaster area to get home. I had to have a firearm I could readily conceal effectively in my rig and yet be available for a SHTF event. I chose to conceal my large frame Springfield XD .45 in a hidden compartment in my truck along with hiking boots and a pack with enough ammo, water and gear to last for a few days to get me home. With several 13 rd mags at hand, I figured I could defend all but a genuine zombie apocalypse.
The only arm on the list that might have been considered is the mares leg .44 mag. At least I could somewhat conceal that under a jacket.
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I completely sent her over the edge last week when I bought a new G20 Gen4 from Carpsniper.
Dude, get yourself one of those Mechtech uppers for that. You can swap them back and forth and the 10mm is a screamer with a 16" barrel.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html
They do look pretty neat.
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I completely sent her over the edge last week when I bought a new G20 Gen4 from Carpsniper.
Dude, get yourself one of those Mechtech uppers for that. You can swap them back and forth and the 10mm is a screamer with a 16" barrel.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html
They do look pretty neat.
That thing is pretty cool!! :tup:
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I dont keep a rifle in my truck for the purpose of a "get home gun" but if things ever did go that way I'd be walking home with a Ruger .308 carbine. Easy enough to hide in whatever truck I'm driving that day.
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I would have to go for a short shotgun, not only are they effective but
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Sks all the way ,shoots everytime ,cheap rifle,cheap ammo,good from 5yrds to 200 yards,and a 12 year old can use it .
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Ruger .44 carbine
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.survival-gear-guide.com%2Fimages%2Fruger-44-carbine-21367182.jpg&hash=c8e5ecc904f51dd3f44ca31c9e214fd1385ccb0b)
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I would either go really cheep, Mossburg, or some kind of carbine that accepted the same mags i carry and same ammo. When you cant have a lot of anything double duty is important. :twocents:
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My vote is for a .300 blk pistol. Very accurate with a 10.5" barrel and can be built fairly cheap. Throw a Sig "arm brace" on it and you basically have a legal SBR.
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I've never heard the term Get Home Gun before. But I'm not really a gun guy (seriously). I think you need to own 2 dozen or more to be a 'gun guy'... I ain't there... yet :chuckle:
Any cheap long gun you'll take will be money better spent than a long gun you'll leave at home. I think a shotgun has great versatility given the ability to selectively load buckshot, birdshot, or slugs, with salt and pepper to taste.
The extra capacity of an AR is nice, as well as a rail system for adding lights and lasers. But then again if its dark out, you can more easily break contact and escape the situation. you may wind up fighting at close range. A plain basic shotgun will most likely be just fine. Make sure you either add a bandoleer with rounds, or a sling that holds extra rounds, or at least the spandex round carrier that stretches over the stock. Or you can make a little mini bug out bag to go with it that has some basic trauma supplies and extra rounds.