Post by: Mongo Hunter on September 17, 2015, 09:12:11 AM
So here are the parameters:
1) you work 30+ mile from home
2) you carry a side arm every day
3) you will have to make at least one stop along the way
4) while space is not a big issue keep it in mind (discretion is more important)
5) cost is not a huge factor as well but again keep it in mind. this will be with you always and probly get kicked around a bit and possibly destroyed.
The reasoning for each gun I have selected, if there is one I missed please vote OTHER and explain.
Mossberg 500 Cruiser: These are cheap and plentiful, I literally just saw one at the last gunshow for just over $200. 12 gauge is also plentiful and hard to argue with. I have shot pistol grip shotguns before and they are not THAT big of a deal to me. Yes I'm a bit slower with one compared to a full size stock but I'm just as accurate at buckshot ranges, being smaller is an acceptable trade off for me. Cons are the limited ammo and range.
TNW Aero Survival: I really like how these things break down, and they use Glock mags which I carry anyways (I carry a G26 everyday and have G17 mags for reloads). I like the added range and ammo capacity as well. Cons are these thing have creeped up in price to over $600 and the scope leaves something to be desired and would probly get replaced (adding to cost). also while people have done reviews on them there hasn't been any done on long term durability and reliability (mud, dirt sand). Also slower to deploy.
AR-7: Small, light, inexpensive and self contained. Cons; I HATE the idea of using 22lr, to me its unacceptable for self defense. the only reason I am considering it is I have my normal EDC gun. Also slow to deploy and only 10rd mags.
Mares Leg .44Mag: VERY small and packs a big punch. I already have .44 mag so ammo is no big concern. cons are these are expensive for what they are, around $650. Also they are chopped down rifles and don't handle that great. also limited ammo.
KelTec Sub 2000: Fast to deploy and takes Glock mags. Cons; I don't like KelTec's and the thought of trusting my life to one makes me shiver. While I have friends who have had good luck with them, KelTecs QC and reputation for reliability is spotty. also These are expensive (about $500) and hard to find. However again I have my normal EDC if this thing goes down.
Alright guys what are your thoughts?
Post by: lokidog on September 17, 2015, 09:29:45 AM
Post by: superdown on September 17, 2015, 09:41:31 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on September 17, 2015, 09:44:57 AM
http://www.mechtechsys.com/
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 17, 2015, 10:04:21 AM
Stick with my sidearm and extra mags in that scenario. Concealable and low-profile. If I end up walking, I would rather be more mobile and inconspicuous than armed for crowd control or intermediate range engagements.
If we are talking WWIII, end of the world, stick with a standard AR or other battle rifle.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on September 17, 2015, 10:22:31 AM
Other.
Stick with my sidearm and extra mags in that scenario. Concealable and low-profile. If I end up walking, I would rather be more mobile and inconspicuous than armed for crowd control or intermediate range engagements.
If we are talking WWIII, end of the world, stick with a standard AR or other battle rifle.
Hence Parameter #4: Discretion. All these guns listed can fit in a small bag or even be concealed under a jacket.
The AR crossed my mind but like I said this will be with you 100% of the time. the odds of me ever needing it are slim, but the odds of me getting in a car accident over 30+ miles one way are actually statistically higher. If I were to get into an accident I would rather have a $250 Mossberg get destroyed over a $2000 AR.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 17, 2015, 10:39:44 AM
I don't want to derail the topic. Perhaps you could explain some scenarios that these selections would be useful or more useful than just your concealed sidearm.
Because, perhaps I need a new gun and don't know it yet.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on September 17, 2015, 11:08:16 AM
Because, perhaps I need a new gun and don't know it yet.
I just did this for b23 and I'm pretty sure his wife put a contract out on my head lol. Anyways there a couple scenarios were an extra firearm could come in handy.
1) Mass riots. I use to think this was not a reality but recent events have convinced me otherwise.
2) Civil unrest do to (insert event here)
3)I usually carry IWB on my hip. while driving this can be problematic to get to, so having another gun riding "shotgun" would be faster and easier to access possibly.
4) arming someone else that I needed to pick up or another person I have with me that maybe doesn't carry all the time. This could be do to bad weather and that person couldn't get out without a capable vehicle.
Just a couple thoughts. And frankly pistols suck. The only reasons we use them is they are handy, easy to conceal and keep with us all the time. Sometimes you just gotta have something bigger
Post by: WoodlandShooter on September 17, 2015, 11:15:51 AM
Got the ASR in 45ACP to go with my Glock 21.
Man sized targets to 200 yards can be done with the ASR...after that, the 45 is dropping like a stone.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 17, 2015, 11:18:44 AM
Gotcha! Then AR, for me. Or possibly some version of 12 gauge shotgun.
Post by: TheHunt on September 17, 2015, 11:20:26 AM
Post by: jeffro on September 17, 2015, 12:42:02 PM
P14/45 on my hip
Plus a folding stock AK in the truck
Plenty of ammo for both
Post by: b23 on September 17, 2015, 06:10:45 PM
Because, perhaps I need a new gun and don't know it yet.
I just did this for b23 and I'm pretty sure his wife put a contract out on my head lol. Anyways there a couple scenarios were an extra firearm could come in handy.
My friend, you don't know the half of it!!
I completely sent her over the edge last week when I bought a new G20 Gen4 from Carpsniper.
I promised I'd stop looking for awhile but my "awhile" really just means I'm not looking at anymore, today! 😉
Post by: JJB11B on September 17, 2015, 06:24:15 PM
Other-Option 2 would be an Arsenal SLR 95 AK-47 with the side folding stock. The AK-47 is a rugged, reliable firearm that requires little to no maintenance to function properly every time. The 7.62x39 is an extremely effective round within the ranges of an AK (200 yards or so) With minimal cost of ammunition the availability of magazines, and the acceptable accuracy of the SLR models of AK's this would be an extremely viable option for a get home gun, Also with the added option of mounting an Eotech sight to one of these they are very fast handling weapons for multiple target engagements..
Post by: KFhunter on September 17, 2015, 06:58:36 PM
bull pup design would be handy if you're trying to fight from within in a vehicle, slugs in one tube, shot in the other.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on September 18, 2015, 08:13:06 AM
Because, perhaps I need a new gun and don't know it yet.
I just did this for b23 and I'm pretty sure his wife put a contract out on my head lol. Anyways there a couple scenarios were an extra firearm could come in handy.
My friend, you don't know the half of it!!
I completely sent her over the edge last week when I bought a new G20 Gen4 from Carpsniper.
I promised I'd stop looking for awhile but my "awhile" really just means I'm not looking at anymore, today! 😉
Have you tried asking for the new safe yet :)
Post by: Mongo Hunter on September 18, 2015, 08:15:02 AM
Post by: b23 on September 18, 2015, 09:01:21 AM
Have you tried asking for the new safe yet :)
Oh yes! In fact its been a bit of a conversation piece in my house for awhile now. You wanna know what she had the "nerve" to suggest to me, ya, she told me maybe I should sell a few things then I'd have more room in the safe I currently have and wouldn't need a new one. I, kindly, suggested she talk to her Dr. about getting an MRI or CAT scan because I think she done slipped the cheese off her cracker or something. I mean that's just crazy talk, sell stuff to make room, rrrright! Like that's ever gonna happen. I keep waiting for the "right" opportunity to tell her I'm one of the first names on the waiting list for the new Sig SRD 45 suppressor. I've been keeping a bag packed so make sure you keep that spare bedroom ready for me, I may need it. :tup:
Post by: b23 on September 18, 2015, 09:19:35 AM
Lots of good suggestions here guys. I think with the voting and what will fit my needs it looks like the Mossberg 500 wins. I also may look into the folding stock idea, I just never found one I really liked that was compact AND comfortable to shoot.
I just happen to have a Mossberg 835 just like this one http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Mossberg-835-Ulti-Mag-Thumbhole-Turkey-Shotgun&i=416700 that is unfired NIB that I'd make you a smoking good deal on. And if you bought it, maybe I wouldn't need that spare bedroom for awhile. :chuckle:
PM me and I can text or email you some actual pics if you'd like.
Post by: magnanimous_j on September 18, 2015, 09:26:35 AM
I completely sent her over the edge last week when I bought a new G20 Gen4 from Carpsniper.
Dude, get yourself one of those Mechtech uppers for that. You can swap them back and forth and the 10mm is a screamer with a 16" barrel.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html
Post by: netcoyote on September 18, 2015, 09:27:31 AM
Other.
Stick with my sidearm and extra mags in that scenario. Concealable and low-profile. If I end up walking, I would rather be more mobile and inconspicuous than armed for crowd control or intermediate range engagements.
If we are talking WWIII, end of the world, stick with a standard AR or other battle rifle.
Hence Parameter #4: Discretion. All these guns listed can fit in a small bag or even be concealed under a jacket.
The AR crossed my mind but like I said this will be with you 100% of the time. the odds of me ever needing it are slim, but the odds of me getting in a car accident over 30+ miles one way are actually statistically higher. If I were to get into an accident I would rather have a $250 Mossberg get destroyed over a $2000 AR.
When I pondered this question a few years ago my situation was this. I worked for a large aerospace company and my location was in the Duwamish area of Seattle :rolleyes:. My company had a strict policy of no firearms in vehicles on company property. I envisioned a scenario where I would be at work and an earthquake would hit and all transportation routes to my home 35 miles south would be disrupted. I would have to walk and possibly fight my way through a disaster area to get home. I had to have a firearm I could readily conceal effectively in my rig and yet be available for a SHTF event. I chose to conceal my large frame Springfield XD .45 in a hidden compartment in my truck along with hiking boots and a pack with enough ammo, water and gear to last for a few days to get me home. With several 13 rd mags at hand, I figured I could defend all but a genuine zombie apocalypse.
The only arm on the list that might have been considered is the mares leg .44 mag. At least I could somewhat conceal that under a jacket.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 18, 2015, 09:32:08 AM
I completely sent her over the edge last week when I bought a new G20 Gen4 from Carpsniper.
Dude, get yourself one of those Mechtech uppers for that. You can swap them back and forth and the 10mm is a screamer with a 16" barrel.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html
They do look pretty neat.
Post by: b23 on September 18, 2015, 10:52:01 AM
I completely sent her over the edge last week when I bought a new G20 Gen4 from Carpsniper.
Dude, get yourself one of those Mechtech uppers for that. You can swap them back and forth and the 10mm is a screamer with a 16" barrel.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html
They do look pretty neat.
That thing is pretty cool!! :tup:
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Post by: Bean Counter on September 18, 2015, 11:36:43 PM
Any cheap long gun you'll take will be money better spent than a long gun you'll leave at home. I think a shotgun has great versatility given the ability to selectively load buckshot, birdshot, or slugs, with salt and pepper to taste.
The extra capacity of an AR is nice, as well as a rail system for adding lights and lasers. But then again if its dark out, you can more easily break contact and escape the situation. you may wind up fighting at close range. A plain basic shotgun will most likely be just fine. Make sure you either add a bandoleer with rounds, or a sling that holds extra rounds, or at least the spandex round carrier that stretches over the stock. Or you can make a little mini bug out bag to go with it that has some basic trauma supplies and extra rounds.