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Title: Crazy people on internet making up details on a hunting story
Post by: jon.brown509 on September 28, 2015, 10:48:10 AM
Why I stopped posting on here.
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: TheHunt on September 28, 2015, 10:54:24 AM
WOW, those are really nice bulls. 
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Post by: cbond3318 on September 28, 2015, 10:55:07 AM
Wow dude!! I bet finding him was one of the best feelings in the world. The other bull is a beauty too! mind my asking what tags these were?
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Post by: cbond3318 on September 28, 2015, 10:58:52 AM
Even sweeter! Good job and sweet bulls!  :tup:
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Post by: cbond3318 on September 28, 2015, 11:33:49 AM
Thank you it was one of the greatest feelings finding him but The gagging experience of getting him out was one of the worst ever,Top 5 bad smell for sure.

 :chuckle: I bet, would love to hear what the other 4 are in your top 5 ... :chuckle:
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Post by: Mark251 on September 28, 2015, 04:49:01 PM
Great looking bull  :tup:
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Post by: bullfisher on September 28, 2015, 05:16:55 PM
 :tup:
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Post by: Watimberghost on September 28, 2015, 05:19:28 PM
Great bull :tup:
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Post by: Labredog on September 28, 2015, 10:25:01 PM
The lung shot bull was not found? Was the first bull counted as a dead bull, or probably only wounded with a lung shot? I got the impression from the story that your buddy lung shot a bull that will probably die, you spent days looking for the animal, which is the right thing to do. Then your buddy shot and killed this bull. He didn't notch his tag after the first bull even though it was not found?
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: tjthebest on September 28, 2015, 10:38:30 PM
The lung shot bull was not found? Was the first bull counted as a dead bull, or probably only wounded with a lung shot? I got the impression from the story that your buddy lung shot a bull that will probably die, you spent days looking for the animal, which is the right thing to do. Then your buddy shot and killed this bull. He didn't notch his tag after the first bull even though it was not found?
How do you put your tag on an animal that you cannot find ???
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: Labredog on September 29, 2015, 06:19:02 AM
You can't put your tag on an animal you don't recover. I said notch the tag, as in, you've killed a bull. The question I bring up is, if you know you killed an animal but cannot find that animal is it ethical to go kill another one that season?
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: idahohuntr on September 29, 2015, 06:53:21 AM
You can't put your tag on an animal you don't recover. I said notch the tag, as in, you've killed a bull. The question I bring up is, if you know you killed an animal but cannot find that animal is it ethical to go kill another one that season?
If you don't recover the animal or see it dead you don't know that it died...purely speculative.  I've killed bulls and upon butchering them found broad heads and bullets from previous years hunters. 

It is up to the individual whether they keep hunting. 

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Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: SniperDanWA on September 29, 2015, 06:59:44 AM
You can't put your tag on an animal you don't recover. I said notch the tag, as in, you've killed a bull. The question I bring up is, if you know you killed an animal but cannot find that animal is it ethical to go kill another one that season?

My  :twocents:; however, if I were to track an animal for a couple days and not locate the animal there are a couple scenarios.  One, the shot placement did not hit where I thought and I just injured the animal in a recoverable/heal able state or two, I did not search long enough to locate/lost the trail and can't locate.  Again, the likelihood of a missed vital.  Either way, the hunter never found an injured or deceased animal after two days, I believe he was correct to continue.
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: Miles on September 29, 2015, 07:07:13 AM
Is it even legal to notch a tag if you didn't harvest an animal?  What would an officer do if you had a notched tag in your possession, but no animal?
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Post by: steeliedrew on September 29, 2015, 07:10:41 AM
I seem to remember another picture from this thread last night...
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Post by: dreamunelk on September 29, 2015, 07:14:18 AM
Is it even legal to notch a tag if you didn't harvest an animal?  What would an officer do if you had a notched tag in your possession, but no animal?

The officer would listen to the story and then say OK.  Lots of hunters notch their tag after losing an animal.  It is their choice.  Congrats to them for sticking to the standards they set for themselves. 
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Post by: fishngamereaper on September 29, 2015, 07:44:17 AM
Odd if a pic was removed. If you zip a bull and loose it, zip a second bull and tag it. Then find the first bull and someone else tags it that's not completely legal if you tell the whole world about it on the web... :dunno:
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Post by: PlateauNDN on September 29, 2015, 07:49:45 AM
Is there pics and posts missing since yesterday? :dunno:
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Post by: cbond3318 on September 29, 2015, 07:55:10 AM
Yes, what I read was Jon Brown shot and lost the first bull (pic removed) and his buddy shot the bull shown above. They later found the bull jon brown shot and I assume he hung his tag on it. seems simple to me?
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Post by: mdbuck5x5 on September 29, 2015, 08:04:54 AM
Sounds like this is about to get interesting!  :yike:
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Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 29, 2015, 08:10:50 AM
Is there pics and posts missing since yesterday? :dunno:

 :yeah:  there was more pics and story
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: billythekidrock on September 29, 2015, 08:44:24 AM
Odd if a pic was removed. If you zip a bull and loose it, zip a second bull and tag it. Then find the first bull and someone else tags it that's not completely legal if you tell the whole world about it on the web... :dunno:

There is a bull or two in the WA record book that were killed in this exact scenario.
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: 2MANY on September 29, 2015, 09:02:33 AM
High How Are Ya
High How Are Ya
High How Are Ya

Jon Brown Skin?
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: Buckmark on September 29, 2015, 09:36:03 AM
Is there pics and posts missing since yesterday? :dunno:
Yep, pic's and alot more story.....There was pics of another bull killed and recovered after 2 days (atleast the head) and the story about it...hummm interesting as now it has all been removed/changed.
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: Buckmark on September 29, 2015, 09:47:38 AM
After giving up hope for a bit we got into a amazing bull so my hunting buddy set up down wind of me about 70 yards and The area was stupid thick with brush and the terrain was god awful so we found one ok spot to bring him in with the most visibility. After what felt like forever he finally came in and the shot was about 30 yards I only saw the tips of the bull. It was a good lung shot but the bull went straight down hill into some of the nastiest terrain I've been in. After losing the blood trail and two more days of searching covering lots of ground an with family help plus lots of prayer and nice words....There was no bull to be found ....we finally gave up hope and went back to hunting.
The next bull set up we got was a pic perfect set up easy 30 yard shot on open ground  :tup: my buddy took its heart out after losing the other bull.
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This is absolute BS!! The line saying there was no bull to be found is complete BS as yesterday the poster had a different story about finding the bull and how bad it smelled and the recovery and to top it off he had PICS of the bulls dead head!!!! Now the story has been changed and the pics removed..... :yike:
Also it seems his buddy arrowed 2 bulls, the one that now they claim they did not find (but they did) then the second one which they claim he shot after not finding the first one..which they did.... :dunno:  >:(  :bdid:

Man  i hope someone has yesterdays posts and pics saved, atleast there is one small part of it in this post:
Quote from: jon.brown509 on Yesterday at 11:02:42 AM

    Thank you it was one of the greatest feelings finding him but The gagging experience of getting him out was one of the worst ever,Top 5 bad smell for sure.
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: quadrafire on September 29, 2015, 09:50:54 AM
Geesh.........More interweb drama. I'm gonna have to tag along on this.
That is a dandy bull posted though
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: Rainier10 on September 29, 2015, 09:54:11 AM
When are we going to get a popcorn emoticon?!
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Post by: h20hunter on September 29, 2015, 10:05:35 AM
Hmmmmmmm...............sounds like our OP needs to do some explaining.
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Post by: mdbuck5x5 on September 29, 2015, 10:14:29 AM
Hmmmmmmm...............sounds like our OP needs to do some explaining.

He works for wdfw you think he's gonna say anything lol fat chance!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: Wazukie on September 29, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
And this my friends is why many won't post on this forum anymore :tup:
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Post by: frazierw on September 29, 2015, 10:19:34 AM
 :yeah: :yeah:
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: Buckmark on September 29, 2015, 10:27:03 AM
And this my friends is why many won't post on this forum anymore :tup:
Don't post a story then change it to a lie, don't post about potential illegal activity or possible poaching and all is good... :tup:

Maybe its all a big misunderstanding? Maybe the OP will jump on here and fill us in on why he had pics of the dead bulls head yesterday and how they found it, but now the story is different and the pics are gone? Dunno, seems strange to me...
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 29, 2015, 10:38:35 AM
 :yeah: if its illegal he shoulnt  do it
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 29, 2015, 10:40:40 AM
You guys are worse than a knitting circle.  Every post I read the Internet cops are trying to get ten points cause they can't kill otc.  Bunch a nannies.
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Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on September 29, 2015, 10:47:23 AM
Internet police!!

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Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: Buckmark on September 29, 2015, 10:49:16 AM
You guys are worse than a knitting circle.  Every post I read the Internet cops are trying to get ten points cause they can't kill otc.  Bunch a nannies.
Not trying to get 10 points, no calling wdfw etc, not being an internet cop either.
Don't like illegal activity and if you are stupid enough to post it on the web then you will get called out.

You seem to be ok with poaching/illegal activity though.
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Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on September 29, 2015, 10:55:20 AM
I thought his buddy shot a bull and he hit one and found it a couple days later and packed it out? 
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Post by: h20hunter on September 29, 2015, 10:56:55 AM
One bull lost and found later and tagged.

One bull stuck and tagged.

Is that right?
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Post by: cbond3318 on September 29, 2015, 11:00:08 AM
One bull lost and found later and tagged.

One bull stuck and tagged.

Is that right?

yes, when I read it yesterday in its original text, I did not get at all that his buddy arrowed 2 bulls, losing 1 and tagging another only to tag the lost bull 2 days later. I believe a comma and some better punctuation in his story would have curbed all this.
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: h20hunter on September 29, 2015, 11:02:06 AM
Ah, I did not see the original. If it is as simple as that then no issues. Well, maybe he should have shared more than just the heart but that is between  them!
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: Buckmark on September 29, 2015, 11:03:20 AM
I thought his buddy shot a bull and he hit one and found it a couple days later and packed it out?
The story today says they never found the one bull and his buddy stuck another bull after not finding the first one.
But yesterday he said they did find the first bull just 2 days later and it was all stinky and even had multiple pics of the head with hair and black decaying flesh on it...today those pics are gone and the story has changed..
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Post by: cbond3318 on September 29, 2015, 11:09:41 AM
I thought his buddy shot a bull and he hit one and found it a couple days later and packed it out?
The story today says they never found the one bull and his buddy stuck another bull after not finding the first one.
But yesterday he said they did find the first bull just 2 days later and it was all stinky and even had multiple pics of the head with hair and black decaying flesh on it...today those pics are gone and the story has changed..

I assume he left the dead bull out of it because of all the grief he saw he was going to get, one for hunting after at rowing and not finding a bull and now the way it reads , assumptions that his buddy shot 2 bulls. Can't say I blame him for leaving the lost/found bull out of it all together. Again, when I read it yesterday, it was clear to me his buddy lost a bull, Jon brown killed this bull and they found the other bull later....
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Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on September 29, 2015, 11:15:16 AM
I still read it that he shot a bull, hey lost it and then found it later.  He removed that part today.  His buddy shot a bull a couple days later and made a good shot "took its heart out".
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Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 29, 2015, 11:16:33 AM
By Internet cop I mean all your above posts, trying to incriminate this guy, that have no merit or proof.  All your posts are assuming and bs.  Keep at it and guys who do appreciate this site for the success stories will have nothing to read.  The story probably changed to not include the recovery of the rotten animal cause of people like you.  Trying to break down a guy who had a tough season. 

Just cause I'm not as ignorant as you and jump to conclusions about this hunt, doesn't for one second mean I condone illegal activity.  The fact that you assume I am for illigal activities based on me not joining your witch hunt is funny and describes your ignorance.
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 29, 2015, 11:18:40 AM
You guys are worse than a knitting circle.  Every post I read the Internet cops are trying to get ten points cause they can't kill otc.  Bunch a nannies.
Not trying to get 10 points, no calling wdfw etc, not being an internet cop either.
Don't like illegal activity and if you are stupid enough to post it on the web then you will get called out.

You seem to be ok with poaching/illegal activity though.
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: 2MANY on September 29, 2015, 11:20:25 AM
The funny part is that anyone would take anything said here seriously.

Really???
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Post by: cbond3318 on September 29, 2015, 11:24:05 AM
I still read it that he shot a bull, hey lost it and then found it later.  He removed that part today.  His buddy shot a bull a couple days later and made a good shot "took its heart out".

Am I missing something? The last edit to his post says noon yesterday +\-.... :dunno:
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 29, 2015, 11:26:29 AM
Missing the part where you make up that he changed his storie...
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Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on September 29, 2015, 11:28:36 AM
I read the original post.  He found the bull he double lunged and only saw tips a few days later.  His buddy shot a different bull.  I don't recall anything about a 3rd bull being shot.
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: Miles on September 29, 2015, 11:31:35 AM
Some people must not have very exciting lives...
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Post by: cbond3318 on September 29, 2015, 11:31:47 AM
Should we start a poll? (Joking....kinda) :chuckle:
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Post by: PlateauNDN on September 29, 2015, 11:48:15 AM
I was just curious as I barely read this thread today but a post quotes 1 from yesterday about someone gagging? I didn't know if this had been modified so I asked. I don't need 10 points if that's not obvious...

Just looking for the rest of the story :dunno:
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: steeliedrew on September 29, 2015, 12:13:46 PM
What I remember reading from yesterday was that a bull was double lunged and lost. Said bull was recovered this last weekend from what I remember reading. Not entirely sure on the regs for this kind of thing but since the season had ended mid week last week I think that's where it gets sticky on hanging a tag on something at that point.  :sry: Now, I'll say this...That bull is a fantastic animal and I'd have wanted to recover it and hang a tag on it as well. I believe I've heard of guys clearing things like this with WDFW to go in and find a lost bull after season. None of us have any knowledge of what happened though. Probably should leave it at that.
Title: Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
Post by: Buckmark on September 29, 2015, 12:15:49 PM
By Internet cop I mean all your above posts, trying to incriminate this guy, that have no merit or proof.  All your posts are assuming and bs.  Keep at it and guys who do appreciate this site for the success stories will have nothing to read.  The story probably changed to not include the recovery of the rotten animal cause of people like you.  Trying to break down a guy who had a tough season. 

Just cause I'm not as ignorant as you and jump to conclusions about this hunt, doesn't for one second mean I condone illegal activity.  The fact that you assume I am for illigal activities based on me not joining your witch hunt is funny and describes your ignorance.
When adults resort to name calling a certain level of maturity is shown.

I had no problem with the original story that included the recovered dead bull and the pics of it, so he would not of changed it because of people like me as i said nothing about it. It was a nice bull and i was actually glad they found it.
The OP has changed his story, omitted lines, and removed response posts he made about recovering the dead bull and how bad it smelled he also removed pics of the dead bull that now he says they never found, that based on what he originally posted and the pics posted is a lie.
Why lie about it, why not just remove it and the pics?

The last line in the modified post (today) says "my buddy took its heart out after losing the other bull." This sounds as if his buddy shot another bull after not finding the 1st bull which his buddy shot? it is not entirely clear by the post who shot the recovered/unrecovered bull..

But what was clear yesterday was the bull was found 2 days later per his posts and pics, now he says it was not...

So this is in response to your post:
Offline DIYARCHERYJUNKIE
   Re: Elk camp report WA DIY Public Land
« Reply #49 on: Today at 11:26:29 AM »

    Quote

Missing the part where you make up that he changed his storie...
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There is a reply from the OP yesterday in response to finding the big bull after 2 days: Quote from: jon.brown509 on Yesterday at 11:02:42 AM

    Thank you it was one of the greatest feelings finding him but The gagging experience of getting him out was one of the worst ever,Top 5 bad smell for sure.
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So sorry DIY not making up that he changeed his story, fact is he did.
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