Post by: ucwarden on October 12, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on October 12, 2015, 12:11:02 PM
Post by: ucwarden on October 12, 2015, 01:51:30 PM
:tup:
Let me know what you think, after you read it.
Post by: JJB11B on October 12, 2015, 02:06:58 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 12, 2015, 02:41:10 PM
Post by: kellama2001 on October 12, 2015, 02:54:13 PM
Post by: Slimdog350 on October 12, 2015, 02:55:02 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on October 12, 2015, 02:56:01 PM
Post by: 2labs on October 12, 2015, 03:00:16 PM
I've written to Director Unsworth regarding this. He has an opportunity to make a positive impact on the WDFW in several areas. Canning those top three stooges is one which could help change the entire department.
Just curious if anyone has received a response back? I've been writing them for years, I used to even be curtious and friendly. Never gotten a response.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 12, 2015, 03:01:33 PM
Post by: 2labs on October 12, 2015, 03:06:34 PM
I've written the Director three times including today's email. I've received one response and it was perfunctory.
Wow, perfunctory. I'd even take that! :chuckle:
Post by: ucwarden on October 12, 2015, 03:21:28 PM
Those reports are mind boggling! And I haven't even read them all yet! Wow! :o
Keep in-mind that Deputy Director Stohr severely limited the scope of the investigation. Also; there should be a ton more evidence of wrong-doing in the 6,000 pages that they haven't disclosed to me yet (I should get them the first week of November).
Post by: ucwarden on October 12, 2015, 03:22:25 PM
Definitely an interesting read. I had a boss that when investigated for improprieties in the workplace he responded with the same answers as Cenci did(can't recall that or not sure). It took going all the way toHR after threatening a lawsuit for a full investigation to get things handled. I can tell you for certain that anything that has to do with government employees doing wrong will take FOREVER to get things taken care of if ever. Management likes to sweep it under the rug. Hopefully stuff gets handled,but then you have to find a supervisor that gives a hoot.Tell me about it. I have been working on this for almost three years now.
Post by: h2ofowlr on October 12, 2015, 03:23:22 PM
Post by: Slimdog350 on October 12, 2015, 04:24:35 PM
Seems the department just tries to throw Todd under the bus on all claims. The guys in the department have figured out a way to cover their own a$$s some how.I've worked for the govt going on 6 years now and it is insane the amount of a$$ covering that goes on when stuff hits the fan. It's always somebody else's fault.
Post by: bigtex on October 12, 2015, 06:05:20 PM
Sgt. Mullins said regarding the follow up on additional cases on Operation Cody after the media aired their report on September 18, 2012, he did not have concerns,
“Not really. They're -- the vast majority of those cases were low-level, you know, uh situations where normal people sold things that are illegal and they probably had no idea that it was even illegal and not that some of these people weren't bad people but Todd Vandivert's MO is to dramatize nearly everything and the danger and inherent risk was one of the things that he dramatized. At one point he claimed that the camera saw a guy standing in the window with a rifle, which I never saw and I don't know that anybody else saw at that residence. And the officer safety, destruction of evidence mantra that he has brought forward -- when I say he I mean Todd Vandivert -- is to serve his um -- his vendetta if you will against the administration, specifically Mike CENCI.”
I wonder if Mullins felt the same way about Todd when Todd was a field officer in Mullins' detachment and was consistently his most productive officer.......
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 12, 2015, 06:30:31 PM
Seems the department just tries to throw Todd under the bus on all claims. The guys in the department have figured out a way to cover their own a$$s some how.
.....it's called the, GOVERNMENT. They answer to no one. We have zero say in it, even though they work for us.. :bash:
Post by: ucwarden on October 12, 2015, 08:25:38 PM
From the WSP investigation of Operation CODY:
Sgt. Mullins said regarding the follow up on additional cases on Operation Cody after the media aired their report on September 18, 2012, he did not have concerns,
“Not really. They're -- the vast majority of those cases were low-level, you know, uh situations where normal people sold things that are illegal and they probably had no idea that it was even illegal and not that some of these people weren't bad people but Todd Vandivert's MO is to dramatize nearly everything and the danger and inherent risk was one of the things that he dramatized. At one point he claimed that the camera saw a guy standing in the window with a rifle, which I never saw and I don't know that anybody else saw at that residence. And the officer safety, destruction of evidence mantra that he has brought forward -- when I say he I mean Todd Vandivert -- is to serve his um -- his vendetta if you will against the administration, specifically Mike CENCI.”
I wonder if Mullins felt the same way about Todd when Todd was a field officer in Mullins' detachment and was consistently his most productive officer.......
That's one of the worst bi-products of this big internal battle; it has caused a major split in the program. No matter how this comes out, it will be a lot of years before everyone can put these differences and battles behind them. I have lost a few friends over all of this, but have also found a lot of good people who are finally willing to stand up and say enough is enough. Now we just have to get the right people to listen and do the right thing.
Post by: Gamblin Guy on October 12, 2015, 08:29:32 PM
Post by: ucwarden on October 12, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
Mullins is a Cenci disciple....Absolutely, as are a few more. Right now they stand out like sore thumbs, kissing up and defending "the man".
Interesting choice of words; disciple, since in a newspaper interview I think it was Cenci who referred to us (his opposition) as Vandivert and his Disciples.
Post by: Skillet on October 12, 2015, 09:29:06 PM
I know there are a few of us who have written letters, submitted comments, contacted politicians, etc., on this issue. But there are a helluva lot more who haven't.
CAMPMEAT, I share your disdain for Government bureaucracy in general, but I don't share your pessimism in this case. I hope you and everybody else who is disgusted with the current state of affairs do the bare minimum and follow the link to Unsworth's request for input on what the Department should focus on. The guy won't even realize he failed if he doesn't know how strongly his constituents feel about this issue. Lawyers can parse words and cite technicalities to make the WSP'S report seem like a non-issue. But anybody who actually read it knows the real story overall - there is a pattern of deceit and abuse that is rooted in the top echelons of WDFW Enforcement administration.
Follow the link. Tell Unsworth you read it, are not happy with the behavior exhibited, and just will not accept the status quo. He needs to fix this mess. He didn't create it, but it is his job now to fix it.
People, we must stand on principle here and do the right thing. Let Unsworth know how you feel.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wildfuture/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wildfuture/)
Post by: ucwarden on October 12, 2015, 09:36:42 PM
Has the Yakima Herald and/or Landers commented on any of the material released to date?
I know there are a few of us who have written letters, submitted comments, contacted politicians, etc., on this issue. But there are a helluva lot more who haven't.
CAMPMEAT, I share your disdain for Government bureaucracy in general, but I don't share your pessimism in this case. I hope you and everybody else who is disgusted with the current state of affairs do the bare minimum and follow the link to Unsworth's request for input on what the Department should focus on. The guy won't even realize he failed if he doesn't know how strongly his constituents feel about this issue. Lawyers can parse words and cite technicalities to make the WSP'S report seem like a non-issue. But anybody who actually read it knows the real story overall - there is a pattern of deceit and abuse that is rooted in the top echelons of WDFW Enforcement administration.
Follow the link. Tell Unsworth you read it, are not happy with the behavior exhibited, and just will not accept the status quo. He needs to fix this mess. He didn't create it, but it is his job now to fix it.
People, we must stand on principle here and do the right thing. Let Unsworth know how you feel.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wildfuture/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wildfuture/)
I have spoken to a couple of reporters recently, but not Landers. I appreciate everything you said, and you are right on the money. In the next couple of weeks, I will add more and more to the website, until I either get all 6,000 read and have posted the best, or they actually do something in Olympia.
Thanks!
Post by: Gringo31 on October 14, 2015, 05:48:45 AM
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They're -- the vast majority of those cases were low-level, you know, uh situations where normal people sold things that are illegal and they probably had no idea that it was even illegal
This is incredible.
Post by: ucwarden on October 14, 2015, 06:24:25 AM
QuoteThey're -- the vast majority of those cases were low-level, you know, uh situations where normal people sold things that are illegal and they probably had no idea that it was even illegal
This is incredible.
I see you found a quote from Sgt. Mullins. I love it when a guy, who had virtually nothing to do with our operation, critiques it. The funny thing about this quote is that we took every effort possible to make sure we did not pursue those people who didn't know what they were doing was illegal, and absolutely none of our suspects were ignorant of the law; they all knew full well what they were doing was illegal.
Post by: grundy53 on October 14, 2015, 06:39:47 AM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 14, 2015, 07:08:08 AM
Has the Yakima Herald and/or Landers commented on any of the material released to date?
I know there are a few of us who have written letters, submitted comments, contacted politicians, etc., on this issue. But there are a helluva lot more who haven't.
CAMPMEAT, I share your disdain for Government bureaucracy in general, but I don't share your pessimism in this case. I hope you and everybody else who is disgusted with the current state of affairs do the bare minimum and follow the link to Unsworth's request for input on what the Department should focus on. The guy won't even realize he failed if he doesn't know how strongly his constituents feel about this issue. Lawyers can parse words and cite technicalities to make the WSP'S report seem like a non-issue. But anybody who actually read it knows the real story overall - there is a pattern of deceit and abuse that is rooted in the top echelons of WDFW Enforcement administration.
Follow the link. Tell Unsworth you read it, are not happy with the behavior exhibited, and just will not accept the status quo. He needs to fix this mess. He didn't create it, but it is his job now to fix it.
People, we must stand on principle here and do the right thing. Let Unsworth know how you feel.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wildfuture/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wildfuture/)
Skillet, I did do my duty. I'm just very tired of all the government crap...plus, there will always be deceit, corruption in ours or anybodies government.. :tup:
Post by: ucwarden on October 14, 2015, 09:43:58 AM
Mullins makes it sound like ignorance is a legitimate excuse for breaking the law.
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While we all know that ignorance of the law is no excuse, when we began Operation Cody my partner and I agreed to be very careful to not sweep up anyone who was "ignorant of the law". Each and every one (100%) of our suspects charged in the operation, were very aware that what they were doing was illegal. We spoke to all of them about how illegal these transactions were, so Mullins is twisting the facts of an operation, that he knows little about, to suit his and Cenci's needs.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 14, 2015, 10:00:15 AM
First off, I want to congratulate you on your new position as Director of WDFW. I also want to thank you for taking the position as outdoorsmen and women have waited for some time for a change to take place.
Right now you have a report in front of you from the WSP regarding your enforcement division that is partially already public. The report details the level of abuse of power that is occurring regularly within the WDFW enforcement upper ranks. As a lifelong Washington resident and sportsman, I find that this misuse of power is reprehensible at the very least, and puts a negative mark on the WDFW that is not easily removed.
As a military combat veteran, I can tell you that many of the actions that have now been made public would have resulted in a member of the military being given a bad conduct discharge, but have resulted in promotions for Deputy Director Cenci in particular, but others as well.
There are a few key points that bother me that I think may bother you as well:
1) Why are our game wardens working in a hostile work environment? These officers are local legends where they live and for good reason - they are required to do a much more dangerous job while retaining and understand more legal issues than most law enforcement. These officers should not return from this environment to a boss that threatens to "put his boot up their asses" over trivial issues.
2) Why are we allowing officers, especially senior officers to break the law and not receive any form of punishment? Again, in my military days just a few short years ago, even a lowly speeding ticket resulted in a written counseling session. While this may seem excessive, the fact of the matter is that law enforcement and military should be held to a higher standard. How can you possibly enforce a law with any integrity if you're constantly breaking that law yourself?
3) What is most troublesome to read about is putting officers lives in danger. I can personally dodge a hostile work environment, possibly let go of traffic violations, but this is one non-negotiable issue that needs to be addressed immediately. Allowing the media to be involved in the search warrant operations that took place for Operation Cody, after multiple agreements and briefings clearly stated "NO MEDIA" is unacceptable and seems to be borderline criminal in itself.
Director Unsworth, I have full faith that you will take this report seriously and use it (and other information you're likely privy to) to clean up the enforcement division of WDFW. I and other sportsman are tired of poachers getting away regularly while recreational fishermen are cited constantly for trivial issues (even though most game wardens admit that the fishing regulations are very confusing). We're tired of hearing about good game wardens being disciplined for non-issues, and we're tired of hearing about the complete lack of integrity in the upper ranks of WDFW. Our WDFW officers have been converted from Game Wardens to revenue producers, which is unfortunate at best.
You, as a new Director, have the power to change this. Please do, and soon.
Post by: ipkus on October 14, 2015, 10:06:25 AM
- Bjork wasn't doing jack while he was head of enforcement, other than letting Cenci run wild
- Cenci's intentions are in the right place, but a lack of guidance for years combined with his massive ego let him grow into a person who really thinks he's above following the very laws and morals that he so passionately enforces. Additionally, he has zero actual leadership abilities. And like others in leadership roles throughout life that don't have the skills, they simply have a handful of puppydog butt sniffing types that they promote and coddle simply because of their allegiance
- It is completely obvious who the butt sniffers are
- Unsworth should immediately request a refund for the department commissioned 'investigation', what an absolute waste of money
- Any of you who think Phil Anderson did anything positive for either recreational fishing or hunting during his term as director need to seek help
- The corruption/cronyism within WDFW enforcement is Chicago/Illinois politics bad. The only way to fix it is with a hammer
- I have a huge amount of empathy for most of the WDFW LEO's who are stuck in this mess; that became a game warden for the right reasons, following their passion, and are having to operate under this administration.
Post by: Curly on October 14, 2015, 10:09:12 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 14, 2015, 10:12:21 AM
Ctwiggs, if you haven't sent that letter yet, you might edit the part where you call Cenci "Deputy Director". He is Deputy Chief or DC Cenci.
oops :bash:
Post by: Skillet on October 14, 2015, 10:20:52 AM
And good on ya for taking the initiative and doing something proactive, ctwiggs :tup:
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 14, 2015, 10:22:25 AM
Post by: Curly on October 14, 2015, 10:27:01 AM
It's all good. I don't think he'll disregard your letter based on that little error. At this point, I am pretty sure he knows which Cenci you're talking about... :chuckle:
And good on ya for taking the initiative and doing something proactive, ctwiggs :tup:
:yeah:
Post by: Skillet on October 14, 2015, 11:33:52 AM
I'm sure I'll be seeing NOT SELECTED for awhile :dunno:
I doubt that WDFW Enforcement has enough latitude while under this level of scrutiny to screw with the draw results. :dunno:
No matter what happens now, you can stand tall and tell your kids that you had the courage to speak truth to power. :tup:
Post by: ucwarden on October 14, 2015, 11:47:05 AM
Director Unsworth,
First off, I want to congratulate you on your new position as Director of WDFW. I also want to thank you for taking the position as outdoorsmen and women have waited for some time for a change to take place.
Right now you have a report in front of you from the WSP regarding your enforcement division that is partially already public. The report details the level of abuse of power that is occurring regularly within the WDFW enforcement upper ranks. As a lifelong Washington resident and sportsman, I find that this misuse of power is reprehensible at the very least, and puts a negative mark on the WDFW that is not easily removed.
As a military combat veteran, I can tell you that many of the actions that have now been made public would have resulted in a member of the military being given a bad conduct discharge, but have resulted in promotions for Deputy Director Cenci in particular, but others as well.
There are a few key points that bother me that I think may bother you as well:
1) Why are our game wardens working in a hostile work environment? These officers are local legends where they live and for good reason - they are required to do a much more dangerous job while retaining and understand more legal issues than most law enforcement. These officers should not return from this environment to a boss that threatens to "put his boot up their asses" over trivial issues.
2) Why are we allowing officers, especially senior officers to break the law and not receive any form of punishment? Again, in my military days just a few short years ago, even a lowly speeding ticket resulted in a written counseling session. While this may seem excessive, the fact of the matter is that law enforcement and military should be held to a higher standard. How can you possibly enforce a law with any integrity if you're constantly breaking that law yourself?
3) What is most troublesome to read about is putting officers lives in danger. I can personally dodge a hostile work environment, possibly let go of traffic violations, but this is one non-negotiable issue that needs to be addressed immediately. Allowing the media to be involved in the search warrant operations that took place for Operation Cody, after multiple agreements and briefings clearly stated "NO MEDIA" is unacceptable and seems to be borderline criminal in itself.
Director Unsworth, I have full faith that you will take this report seriously and use it (and other information you're likely privy to) to clean up the enforcement division of WDFW. I and other sportsman are tired of poachers getting away regularly while recreational fishermen are cited constantly for trivial issues (even though most game wardens admit that the fishing regulations are very confusing). We're tired of hearing about good game wardens being disciplined for non-issues, and we're tired of hearing about the complete lack of integrity in the upper ranks of WDFW. Our WDFW officers have been converted from Game Wardens to revenue producers, which is unfortunate at best.
You, as a new Director, have the power to change this. Please do, and soon.
ctwiggs1: Absolutely awesome letter! I am sure I speak for many WDFW officers when I say thank you. We need a couple of hundred more letters such as yours, but every single letter or email helps our cause. Your letter was so well stated that I actually got a little chocked up reading it. This has been a long battle, and I am still waiting to see some progress (other than the fact that we did get a WSP investigation, even if was only the old allegations). If all of this information and support doesn't do the trick, then I guess there really is nothing that can be done.
Thanks again!
Post by: ucwarden on October 14, 2015, 11:51:17 AM
A big thanks to all of you!
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 14, 2015, 11:54:03 AM
Post by: ucwarden on October 14, 2015, 01:10:27 PM
If change doesn't happen in 2015 then we as sportsmen/women need to come up with a new plan for 2016. The most important thing is making sure we do not give up or become divided on the issue.
I don't know. We have been in this battle for well over five years, and Unsworth has now been the WDFW director for 10 1/2 months. I am afraid there never will be any real change.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 14, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
Curtis
Post by: 2labs on October 14, 2015, 01:16:18 PM
Here is my random thought. 95% of you guys, on this forum, have been very supportive and helpful. When I joined the forum (my first ever forum) I didn't know what to expect, but it sure wasn't this level of support. If we are successful in forcing change in WDFW, a great deal of the credit has to go to you guys...especially those who have contacted your legislators, the governor, and/or the WDFW director.
A big thanks to all of you!
I think a lot of us could smell what was cooking with the W.D.F.W but reading your book and bringing all this up is what is AWSOME.
Thanks.
Post by: ucwarden on October 14, 2015, 01:25:46 PM
How often does WSP investigate a Deputy Chief of any agency?
Curtis
True. That is the one thing that still gives me hope.
Post by: ucwarden on October 14, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
Here is my random thought. 95% of you guys, on this forum, have been very supportive and helpful. When I joined the forum (my first ever forum) I didn't know what to expect, but it sure wasn't this level of support. If we are successful in forcing change in WDFW, a great deal of the credit has to go to you guys...especially those who have contacted your legislators, the governor, and/or the WDFW director.
A big thanks to all of you!
I think a lot of us could smell what was cooking with the W.D.F.W but reading your book and bringing all this up is what is AWSOME.
Thanks.
You are very welcome.
Post by: Curly on October 14, 2015, 01:27:43 PM
Post by: ucwarden on October 14, 2015, 01:30:02 PM
I was really disappointed in Phil Anderson. I figured he was going to do something on his way out.....then not a word. Very discouraging. I guess he figured he'd leave the dirty work for Unsworth. :(
Director Anderson's son was given a WDFW officer position by Cenci and Bjork. I never expected anything out of Anderson and he lived up to my expectations.
Post by: bigtex on October 14, 2015, 04:55:52 PM
Has there been a Rugged Justice show without Olson in it???
Post by: Bofire on October 14, 2015, 05:23:14 PM
Carl
Post by: ucwarden on October 14, 2015, 06:48:43 PM
I like the new document added to the website of the internal investigation of Sgt. Olson. It show's that Olson not only violated policy but also law and those accusations were confirmed by the investigation. Cenci has made Olson to be one of the agency's posterboys and it's finally coming to light who he really is.
Has there been a Rugged Justice show without Olson in it???
Nope. I think he is in all of them, and in every fishing pamphlet too.
Post by: ucwarden on October 14, 2015, 06:50:34 PM
I saw the letter from "ex"? Nixon, Matt Sgt. of WDFW, I know him if he thinks the place stinks it must, because he is a liar puke of the first order.
Carl
I'm not following you here. Are you saying Nixon is a "liar puke"? If so, I think you picked the wrong thread.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 14, 2015, 06:58:16 PM
Post by: Skillet on October 14, 2015, 08:16:48 PM
Skillet, I did do my duty. I'm just very tired of all the government crap...plus, there will always be deceit, corruption in ours or anybodies government.. :tup:
Camp, I wasn't calling you out - I just used your comments as a springboard. I've known you via this board for years, and I never doubted you would speak your mind! :tup:
Post by: ucwarden on October 14, 2015, 09:11:37 PM
He may as well have a chance to explain his thoughts on that oneSure, I would like to hear it.
Post by: Skyhigh on October 15, 2015, 07:00:29 AM
I like the new document added to the website of the internal investigation of Sgt. Olson. It show's that Olson not only violated policy but also law and those accusations were confirmed by the investigation. Cenci has made Olson to be one of the agency's posterboys and it's finally coming to light who he really is.
Has there been a Rugged Justice show without Olson in it???
I was told through the grapevine that those violations of policy and law are at a felony level? If so, would dfw enforcement employ a felon?
Post by: mfswallace on October 15, 2015, 07:32:35 AM
I like the new document added to the website of the internal investigation of Sgt. Olson. It show's that Olson not only violated policy but also law and those accusations were confirmed by the investigation. Cenci has made Olson to be one of the agency's posterboys and it's finally coming to light who he really is.
Has there been a Rugged Justice show without Olson in it???
I was told through the grapevine that those violations of policy and law are at a felony level? If so, would dfw enforcement employ a felon?
Where is this info?? In what document?
Post by: ucwarden on October 15, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
I like the new document added to the website of the internal investigation of Sgt. Olson. It show's that Olson not only violated policy but also law and those accusations were confirmed by the investigation. Cenci has made Olson to be one of the agency's posterboys and it's finally coming to light who he really is.
Has there been a Rugged Justice show without Olson in it???
I was told through the grapevine that those violations of policy and law are at a felony level? If so, would dfw enforcement employ a felon?
Where is this info?? In what document?
It is in the "Geoduck Diver Investigation" document, which I took down for the week. It will be back up on Monday.
Post by: ucwarden on October 18, 2015, 08:46:22 AM
Thanks
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 19, 2015, 06:49:21 AM
Post by: ucwarden on October 19, 2015, 02:39:44 PM
I sent one a week ago and can't find it.
Well thank you very much for taking the time to write the letter.
Post by: Whitpirate on October 19, 2015, 05:31:01 PM
Post by: ucwarden on October 19, 2015, 06:59:02 PM
Where is the Olsen document?
Give me some time, I am working on something and will put it back up when the time is right.
Post by: ucwarden on October 24, 2015, 10:02:02 AM
Where is the Olsen document?
It's back on the www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com) website now, with some additional material. Keep in-mind that as of the first week in November, I am supposed to receive the entire 6,000 page WSP report, which I will go through and post as quickly as possible.
Also; TODAY MARKS ONE FULL MONTH THAT DIRECTOR UNSWORTH HAS HAD THE FULL WSP INVESTIGATIVE REPORT, YET NOTHING HAS CHANGED AT ALL WITH THE WDFW ENFORCMENT ADMINISTRATION!!!!!
Post by: ucwarden on October 24, 2015, 03:59:21 PM
Post by: bigtex on October 25, 2015, 07:23:41 PM
It just goes to show how one person's actions can ruin it for everyone....
Post by: Landowner on October 26, 2015, 12:50:26 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 26, 2015, 12:51:37 PM
Post by: Curly on October 26, 2015, 12:59:38 PM
Post by: Landowner on October 26, 2015, 02:52:28 PM
If you download the file and then give it a docx extension it should work.
That seems to have fixed it. Thanks
Post by: ucwarden on October 29, 2015, 04:41:34 PM
The statements made by Jim Oesterle are troubling. Oesterle is the head federal prosecutor for natural resource crimes in Western WA. The fact that he said he won't prosecute WDFW led investigations as federal crimes just shows how little trust he has in the agency (or mainly Cenci.)
It just goes to show how one person's actions can ruin it for everyone....
I too was very shocked with just how bad WDFW's standing with the US Attorney is now, all because of the behavior of this administration, but more shocked that still nothing has been done about it.
Post by: ucwarden on October 29, 2015, 04:43:16 PM
If you download the file and then give it a docx extension it should work.
That seems to have fixed it. Thanks
Landowner; I have been hunting in Idaho for the last five days, is everything working on the wdfwinvestigation.com website for you now?
Post by: Landowner on October 29, 2015, 08:34:09 PM
If you download the file and then give it a docx extension it should work.
That seems to have fixed it. Thanks
Landowner; I have been hunting in Idaho for the last five days, is everything working on the wdfwinvestigation.com website for you now?
Got it worked out thanks to Curly's advice. Thanks
Post by: Gamblin Guy on November 23, 2015, 06:10:20 PM
Post by: ucwarden on November 24, 2015, 06:46:26 AM
November is a busy month for me but I haven't seen anything on this lately, UC any updates?
Thanks for checking, but really no change in the last week or two. I submitted a PDR (Public Disclosure Request) for the WSP investigative report, but am still waiting for full disclosure. So far, WDFW has only provided the summary pages, and a bunch of attachments, but not the full deposition testimony transcripts. I have been promised another round of disclosures, relating to the WSP report, on Dec. 2nd.
Also; I have been promised another round of disclosure, relating to the geoduck investigation, set for tomorrow (Nov. 25th).
I know there was a settlement hearing, for the Tarabochia lawsuit, last week but I don't know if they reached a settlement agreement or not, and certainly don't know the dollar amount yet.
I do know that Director Unsworth and Deputy Director Stohr have had the full WSP investigative report for about 2 months now, and yet nothing appears to have changed. The same people are in charge, with no visible changes. As Unsworth approaches the end of his first year as director, it would appear that he either doesn't have the juice to make any changes, or he doesn't have any desire to do so.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on November 24, 2015, 07:28:32 AM
Post by: Man Tracker on November 24, 2015, 08:59:50 AM
Post by: ucwarden on November 24, 2015, 09:41:47 AM
Could be they are "self disciplining"?
You are probably right, and you can't blame them, since the self-disciplining seems to have worked so well for them.
Post by: ucwarden on November 26, 2015, 06:24:50 AM
Post by: Skyhigh on November 26, 2015, 04:36:12 PM
Post by: ucwarden on November 26, 2015, 07:56:42 PM
Do the DNR divers have a case against Olsen/WDFW ? and what Olsen did (running those reports on the divers) without cause, isn't that a felony? and if so, is this being covered up or will he see a day in court?
I don't know if the DNR divers are even aware of all that transpired. As for what they (he) did being a felony; I am not sure. I know that all of us who have had access to NCIC databases have to take a class, in-which we are told what is appropriate and inappropriate use of the system is, but I don't recall the penalties for violations of such.
Only time will tell what will come out of this, but so far I haven't seen anyone, in this mess, held accountable so I'm not expecting much.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 02, 2015, 11:20:58 AM
Post by: Gobble on December 02, 2015, 11:40:27 AM
Just read Bruce Richards letter to the director, love it. I just can't believe nothing has been done yet!
Bruce is a really good guy. We have a family member who was a game warden for many years and retired a few years ago, He and Bruce worked very closely for many years. It is sad that they won't clean their own house from the top to keep the trash out. I'm wonder if our relative would still be working for the dept if they had, I have heard stories
Post by: ucwarden on December 03, 2015, 05:44:09 AM
Just read Bruce Richards letter to the director, love it. I just can't believe nothing has been done yet!
I can't believe nothing has been done yet either. We have a mountain of evidence (much of which hasn't been make public yet, because I haven't received the material back from my PDR's), yet nothing. The same stuff is still going on, by the same people, all while we lose good employees. I certainly expected something out of the director by now; either some action, or a statement...but nothing. I just don't know what it takes to get these guys to stand up and do the right thing.
Post by: ucwarden on December 03, 2015, 05:44:54 AM
Just read Bruce Richards letter to the director, love it. I just can't believe nothing has been done yet!
Bruce is a really good guy. We have a family member who was a game warden for many years and retired a few years ago, He and Bruce worked very closely for many years. It is sad that they won't clean their own house from the top to keep the trash out. I'm wonder if our relative would still be working for the dept if they had, I have heard stories
You are totally right; Bruce is a great guy.
Post by: huntingbaldguy on December 03, 2015, 06:08:26 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 03, 2015, 06:10:40 AM
Todd, could you please paste the directors email on here, I must have deleted mine. Thanks again for all you do!Just read Bruce Richards letter to the director, love it. I just can't believe nothing has been done yet!
Bruce is a really good guy. We have a family member who was a game warden for many years and retired a few years ago, He and Bruce worked very closely for many years. It is sad that they won't clean their own house from the top to keep the trash out. I'm wonder if our relative would still be working for the dept if they had, I have heard stories
You are totally right; Bruce is a great guy.
Post by: Skyhigh on December 03, 2015, 06:59:54 AM
Post by: ucwarden on December 03, 2015, 07:34:15 AM
When writing letters to the director, maybe cc the commission, specifically Brad Smith
Even though Governor Inslee's office has ignored all of my letters and emails (except one which they at least acknowledged they received), I would recommend cc'ing Inslee too. Maybe at some point he will wake up and pay attention.
Post by: bobcat on December 03, 2015, 07:57:42 AM
director@dfw.wa.gov
Post by: nwwanderer on December 03, 2015, 08:01:06 AM
Post by: Gamblin Guy on December 03, 2015, 08:34:58 AM
When writing letters to the director, maybe cc the commission, specifically Brad Smith
Even though Governor Inslee's office has ignored all of my letters and emails (except one which they at least acknowledged they received), I would recommend cc'ing Inslee too. Maybe at some point he will wake up and pay attention.
If you can somehow blame climate change or figure out a way to raise taxes with this investigation he would be all over it.....
Post by: trophyhunt on December 03, 2015, 08:47:11 AM
Email for Director Unsworth:thanks, do you know the commission and governor email as well so I could cc them? Thanks bobcat
director@dfw.wa.gov
Post by: bobcat on December 03, 2015, 08:51:13 AM
commission@dfw.wa.gov
But the governor, I have no idea.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 03, 2015, 08:53:30 AM
Post by: 2labs on December 03, 2015, 08:54:19 AM
Post by: ucwarden on December 04, 2015, 05:41:12 AM
I E-Mail the director weekly and have yet to get a response. :twocents:
I was really excited to get rid of Director Anderson and replace him with someone from the outside, but I am every bit as disappointed in Unsworth. I expected a lot more out of him than this. He has been non-responsive and thus far hasn't done anything to make the situation better.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 04, 2015, 06:56:18 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on December 04, 2015, 08:35:21 AM
I E-Mail the director weekly and have yet to get a response. :twocents:
I was really excited to get rid of Director Anderson and replace him with someone from the outside, but I am every bit as disappointed in Unsworth. I expected a lot more out of him than this. He has been non-responsive and thus far hasn't done anything to make the situation better.
Pretty sad.....like a revolving door...out with poor management, in with the same.
Post by: ucwarden on December 05, 2015, 07:30:44 AM
Just sent an email to the commission and the director, no permits for me this year! :'( If I can figure out how to send the email to you Todd I will, I'm not that good with the computer.
Awesome. I have yet to speak to anyone who received any response at all from Director Unsworth or the commission. Perhaps you will be the first; keep us posted. Thanks for your support!
Post by: ucwarden on December 05, 2015, 07:32:14 AM
I E-Mail the director weekly and have yet to get a response. :twocents:
I was really excited to get rid of Director Anderson and replace him with someone from the outside, but I am every bit as disappointed in Unsworth. I expected a lot more out of him than this. He has been non-responsive and thus far hasn't done anything to make the situation better.
Pretty sad.....like a revolving door...out with poor management, in with the same.
I honestly never would have expected the new director to just totally ignore all of us, but apparently that is just what he is doing.
Post by: nwwanderer on December 06, 2015, 07:35:33 AM
Post by: ucwarden on December 21, 2015, 02:24:57 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 21, 2015, 03:05:30 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 21, 2015, 03:30:01 PM
Post by: ucwarden on December 21, 2015, 03:55:26 PM
Is there a way to distinguish the documents by date so we don't need to go into each one to find out if we've read it?
Not really, but the two newest sections are: "Deputy Director Stohr's Summary..." and "Testimony from Officer Jones' Termination Appeal".
All of that is new, and I posted it today.
Post by: ucwarden on December 21, 2015, 03:56:46 PM
I received a response from the director, it simply read- received your email. No other comments at all, he seems not concerned at all. No permits for me this year, I'm only half way kidding!
You are ahead of most people, who never received any response from him.
Thanks for trying, and have a great Christmas!
Post by: Skyhigh on December 23, 2015, 07:34:45 PM
Post by: ucwarden on December 24, 2015, 04:21:12 AM
Sgt. Mullins testimony on the evidence lockers is classic it almost topped officer Gastons lying under oath. Both are still employed?
Still employed and unscathed, as are the rest of them. As far as I can tell, nothing has been done about any of this.
Now read Captain Schlenker's email to Unsworth (Under "Complaint Letters t WDFW"). It is amazing.
Post by: Skyhigh on December 24, 2015, 09:52:20 AM
Post by: ucwarden on December 24, 2015, 03:14:44 PM
Have a Merry Christmas!
Post by: Bob33 on December 24, 2015, 03:31:27 PM
Post by: Thehowler on December 24, 2015, 07:10:29 PM
The Feds need to do the same thing as they had to in Seattle. Seattle has always been a disfunctional policing agency.
Post by: Skyhigh on December 24, 2015, 09:30:28 PM
Post by: 2labs on December 24, 2015, 09:42:29 PM
The wheels of justice turn slowly. I expect that by this time next year we will be looking back at change.
I would like to say an opinion here but might get banned! You go Bob!! I'm sure your right!
Post by: ucwarden on December 25, 2015, 08:47:19 AM
The wheels of justice turn slowly. I expect that by this time next year we will be looking back at change.
I would like to say an opinion here but might get banned! You go Bob!! I'm sure your right!
2labs; Please go ahead with your opinion. I am curious and I don't think anyone will ban you from anything for simply voicing your opinion. So; let's hear it.
And, MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Post by: ucwarden on December 25, 2015, 08:48:59 AM
It sounds as if many state it started its downhill slide when chief bjork came over from the wsp. 10 plus years ago?
In my opinion, Bjork did a lot of good/positive things for WDFW enforcement, except when it came to who he promoted to administrative positions; that was and still is a disaster.
Post by: ucwarden on December 29, 2015, 03:15:39 PM
Another major expense, for all of us, caused by poor management of enforcement.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 29, 2015, 03:50:40 PM
WDFW Officer Dave Jones (Bellingham) was just awarded his job back, as a result of winning his termination arbitration hearing. He gets back-pay, and should start back with WDFW around the end of January!is this a result of your evidence and investigation?
Another major expense, for all of us, caused by poor management of enforcement.
Post by: ucwarden on December 29, 2015, 05:23:52 PM
WDFW Officer Dave Jones (Bellingham) was just awarded his job back, as a result of winning his termination arbitration hearing. He gets back-pay, and should start back with WDFW around the end of January!is this a result of your evidence and investigation?
Another major expense, for all of us, caused by poor management of enforcement.
To some degree; certainly. I do believe Dave would have prevailed without the material I have come up with, but perhaps not as easily.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 29, 2015, 05:25:10 PM
Post by: Tbar on December 29, 2015, 10:15:55 PM
WDFW Officer Dave Jones (Bellingham) was just awarded his job back, as a result of winning his termination arbitration hearing. He gets back-pay, and should start back with WDFW around the end of January!:tup:
Another major expense, for all of us, caused by poor management of enforcement.
Now if they could only right the other wrong they did to his Sargent. I know that's an impossibility but we can wish. I don't think the department realizes the disservice they have done to the region as a whole. The back pay is only part of the far reaching effects of their poor decision making.
Welcome back Dave.
Post by: ucwarden on December 30, 2015, 11:23:05 AM
WDFW Officer Dave Jones (Bellingham) was just awarded his job back, as a result of winning his termination arbitration hearing. He gets back-pay, and should start back with WDFW around the end of January!:tup:
Another major expense, for all of us, caused by poor management of enforcement.
Now if they could only right the other wrong they did to his Sargent. I know that's an impossibility but we can wish. I don't think the department realizes the disservice they have done to the region as a whole. The back pay is only part of the far reaching effects of their poor decision making.
Welcome back Dave.
I hold little hope that we will gain anymore ground in our attempt to rid WDFW of the significant issues within enforcement. It sure seems Unsworth isn't too much interested in having a honest, moral, and ethical command staff.
Post by: Gringo31 on December 30, 2015, 01:16:12 PM
Post by: ucwarden on December 30, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
Seems we need to apply more pressure. Maybe we need an email group of people who send him one every month. Show them we aren't going away.
I am up for anything which people feel will work. Nothing seems to get their attention in Olympia.
Post by: ucwarden on December 30, 2015, 03:01:19 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 30, 2015, 03:25:13 PM
Post by: ucwarden on December 30, 2015, 03:27:48 PM
I'm wondering...
When you figure it out, let me know what is happening would ya?
Post by: huntnphool on December 30, 2015, 03:28:27 PM
who is running WDFW.
Easy, special interest groups with big financial backing.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 30, 2015, 03:35:13 PM
Post by: ucwarden on December 30, 2015, 03:46:18 PM
Wow, if this new director doesn't end up demoting or firing cenci and his partner, I will have zero respect for wdfw leadership. I still highly respect a couple game wardens that I've personally met but the rest of this department is really screwed up. Time to meet up with Jesse Jones with all your info!!
I don't anticipate anything happening at this point, so go ahead with your zero respect. Obviously, for some unknown reason, Cenci is untouchable.
There are many fantastic field officers, which is why I have spent so much time and effort on this; for those good officers.
I am working with the media already, and hopefully a story will be on television soon.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 30, 2015, 03:49:28 PM
I think the media is your last hope? What do you think?Wow, if this new director doesn't end up demoting or firing cenci and his partner, I will have zero respect for wdfw leadership. I still highly respect a couple game wardens that I've personally met but the rest of this department is really screwed up. Time to meet up with Jesse Jones with all your info!!
I don't anticipate anything happening at this point, so go ahead with your zero respect. Obviously, for some unknown reason, Cenci is untouchable.
There are many fantastic field officers, which is why I have spent so much time and effort on this; for those good officers.
I am working with the media already, and hopefully a story will be on television soon.
Post by: Skillet on December 30, 2015, 04:17:07 PM
At this point, I would have hoped that Unsworth would have had enough of the shenanigans that seem to be the culture in the WDFW Enforcement division and start cleaning house. He obviously hasn't. Not sure what it will take at this point. He confidence in Joseph Stohr appears misplaced. To allow Stohr to summarize the WDFW report, suggest recommend actions to be taken based upon his summary, and not demand more accountability for the tragic condition the Enforcement division finds itself in is a mistake. He obviously has big fish to fry, but I now think he doesn't respect how stinky this fish will get if he doesn't cook it sooner than later.
My :twocents:? Unsworth needs some more pressure from the sportsmen of Washington to finally "Cowboy Up" on this and demand that Cenci be reassigned to a job that includes no supervisory responsibilities at a minimum. For anybody to get away with this behavior in the private sector is unthinkable - why do we tolerate this from public employees? Especially those who have demonstrated such a lack of integrity while in a position of authority over the citizens they are employed to serve?
WDFW LEO's have a tough enough job without a being associated with a high-profile and seemingly untouchable Deputy Chief with narcissistic tendencies. Mike Cenci is bringing the whole team down, and he appears to be the only one that doesn't suffer the consequences.
So strange.
Post by: WSU on December 30, 2015, 04:27:34 PM
Check out the new posting on www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com), then click on "This will make you wonder what happened and who is running WDFW." This will leave you wondering what is really going on in WDFW.
Yikes!
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2015, 04:38:34 PM
Quote
From: Stohr, Joseph S (DFW)
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:32 PM
To: Unsworth, James W (DFW)
RE:Issue
Give me a call when you get a chance. Joe
From: Unsworth, James W (DFW)
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 10:26 AM
To: Crown, Steven L (DFW); Stohr, Joseph S (DFW)
Cc: Colvin, Cynthia M (DFW)
Subject: FW: Issue
Steve and Joe,
I am extremely disappointed to see this kind of unprofessional behavior again reported about Mike Cinci. Steve you have told me that Mike had been coached and assured me that this type of bullying would not be tolerated in the future. I am also disappointed of the model he is setting for Captain Myers and others in the supervisory chain.
I know Kim Chandler and have confidence in the things he says. I do believe this happened as he reports.
Steve, I would like you to work with Joe and Cindy to develop a strategy where Mike can be transferred to a non-supervisory position. Please work with Irene to find a time that we can discuss in more detail.
Jim
Sent from my iPhone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
-----Original Message-----
From: Chandler, Kim K (DFW) [Kim.Chandler@dfw.wa.gov]
Received: Jun 16, 20:11
To: Unsworth, James W (DFW) [Jim.Unsworth@dfw.wa.gov]
Subject: Issue
Director Unsworth,
When I visited you earlier this spring and we had a conversation about the enforcement leadership, we talked about the issues we were having with Captain Alan Myers and Deputy Chief Mike Cenci. The issues we Sergeants in Region 4 are having with Captain Myers are still numerous and we are all trying to deal with those. The one thing that I did tell you when we visited the last time was that Mike Cenci never has directly done anything to me. That has now changed. Last Tuesday, 6/9, I was called in to Captain Myers office at Mill Creek and took a pretty good dressing down for numerous points relating to reasons why my detachment didn’t have any activity to send to him for the weekly report. That in itself didn’t make a lot of sense to me because of previous direction from Deputy Chief Hobbs on what was needed in the weekly reports for Hot Topics, but there were perhaps some valid points made and I took note. A few minutes into the conversation, Captain Myers’ phone rang and we were joined on speakerphone by Mike Cenci. I then endured nearly 20 minutes of attack, bullying and belittling that culminated in being told that I didn’t have a clue what Title 69 and the sanitary shellfish program was about and that if I didn’t start doing a better job of supervising, he was going to “plant his boot so far up my ass that I wouldn’t be able to see it”. I listened respectfully despite the fact that I have no respect for that kind of supervision and then left the office feeling more defeated and angry than I have in quite some time. I also witnessed absolutely no reaction from Alan Myers as to what was just said. You may be wondering why I don’t take this up with Chief Crown but to be honest, there have been too many instances in the past of similar issues that he has swept under the rug and ignored so I don’t feel that is an option. I have contacted my union steward and Teamsters representative and am still deciding on whether or not to contact Human Resources. I realize WSP is currently conducting an investigation and I’m not sure what the time frame is on that, but for myself and many others, some sort of resolution is needed soon. This unprofessional leadership is having a profound effect on morale and is undermining the wellbeing of the entire Department.
Thank you for your time.
Respectfully,
Kim Chandler
Sgt. Kim Chandler W34
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
Law Enforcement Program
King County Detachment 10
425 775-1311 ext. 122
kim.chandler@dfw.wa.gov
WDFW Police on Facebook
Outdoor Police Beat
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 30, 2015, 05:04:18 PM
Post by: Skillet on December 30, 2015, 05:05:32 PM
"Director Unsworth,
I wonder why so few of the comments regarding Deputy Chief Cenci (only 7 of the total, by my count) made it into the 391 comments that were published on the WDFW website in response to your reaching out to the sportsmen of Washignton? I personally know of a few that are missing - including mine. Are you 100% sure that all of the comments that were submitted were published? I would not put it past the crew you have in WDFW Enforcement to have a hand in editing those comments somehow. There are some cutting remarks about yourself, some not possible to print in the newspaper - so I know that they comments weren't edited for vulgarity. I also know that my comments contained no inappropriate comments - unless you are an Enforcement officer under fire and want to silence some of the critics. The reach of the corruption in Enforcement is staggering... a condition that has been laid bare by the WSP investigation. Please look into why all of the comments were not published.
What is your official response to this investigation? I certainly hope it isn't completely encapsulated by the email string between Joseph Stohr and yourself (made available the a public documents request). Allowing Stohr to review and recommend the fixes is akin to having the fox guard the henhouse.
Director Unsworth, I have never been so hopeful for a positive change in state of the WDFW Enforcement as I was when I learned that you would be taking the helm in Anderson's absence. There is a malignant cancer in the Enforcement division that requires a strong, assertive leader to cut out. By the text of your own email to Steve Crown and Joseph Stohr regarding the treatement of Kim Chandler, you are fully aware of the imputence that Cenci feels he can operate with. The overturned firing of Dave Jones should clearly demonstrate to you that this department is not running on an even keel - there is corruption, and as a citizen and lifetime sportsman of Washington State I am asking you to show the leadership we all expect a person in your position to demonstrate and cut out the cancer. This will mean a lot of work for you, I understand. I am imploring you to take on the challenge anyway and do the right thing.
When will you have had enough of the Enforcement circus whose ringleader holds a DC title? Please don't allow the low actions of a few entrenched bad apples to sully your directorship. A major part of your legacy will be cleaning up that mess - or not.
Very best regards,"
Skillet
Post by: Kazekurt on December 30, 2015, 05:11:59 PM
Post by: Skillet on December 30, 2015, 05:23:13 PM
A later summary of the WSP investigation by Stohr uses as much lawyer-speak as you could imagine to deflect responsibility from Cenci, after which he offers his suggestions for addressing the few issues that he couldn't talk his way out of. All of which is lacking direct accountability and absolutely no punitive measures.
Unsworth agreed with Stohr's assessment and suggestions. He then instructed them to make a plan to implement - but required no personal review of the plan prior to implementation, no followup and no reporting.
It looks like Cenci is about to get away with everything to me, unless the pressure is ratcheted up a few notches by people like us.
There are THOUSANDS of people on this site who have still not written a letter or submitted a comment... hope they get in gear soon. For all of our sakes. LEO's that lack integrity are the worst possible thing out there, and IMHO we are dealing with more than a few of them in the WDFW Enforcement division.
Post by: ucwarden on December 30, 2015, 07:51:57 PM
Looks like cenci Will finally be stripped of his power😄
I haven't seen any evidence that anyone will be stripped of their powers, or even disciplined in any fashion at all.
Post by: ucwarden on December 30, 2015, 07:59:33 PM
Don't think so at this point. The email Bobcat quotes shows that Joe Stohr knows enough to take it to a phone call from email, so as to not be subjected to public records request...
A later summary of the WSP investigation by Stohr uses as much lawyer-speak as you could imagine to deflect responsibility from Cenci, after which he offers his suggestions for addressing the few issues that he couldn't talk his way out of. All of which is lacking direct accountability and absolutely no punitive measures.
Unsworth agreed with Stohr's assessment and suggestions. He then instructed them to make a plan to implement - but required no personal review of the plan prior to implementation, no followup and no reporting.
It looks like Cenci is about to get away with everything to me, unless the pressure is ratcheted up a few notches by people like us.
There are THOUSANDS of people on this site who have still not written a letter or submitted a comment... hope they get in gear soon. For all of our sakes. LEO's that lack integrity are the worst possible thing out there, and IMHO we are dealing with more than a few of them in the WDFW Enforcement division.
Thank you very much Skillet for those comments. There are a lot of fine officers in WDFW, who just want to do their jobs to the best of their abilities, free of all of this. They and I appreciate all of the support, even if there is little hope at this point.
Post by: ucwarden on December 30, 2015, 08:14:52 PM
Post by: Skyhigh on December 31, 2015, 08:17:55 AM
Post by: ucwarden on December 31, 2015, 08:32:16 AM
Has there been a ruling on the Dave jones arbitration yet?
Yes, he won and has been reinstated with back-pay and benefits. I will post the arbitration ruling on www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com) within the next day or two.
Post by: Skyhigh on December 31, 2015, 08:48:30 AM
Post by: ucwarden on December 31, 2015, 08:52:03 AM
AWESOME news. That really is good to hear that a good game warden is coming back.
It is awesome, but remember that WDFW has lost a bunch of great officers in the last couple of years, and they aren't coming back.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 31, 2015, 09:43:06 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 31, 2015, 09:51:09 AM
Post by: ucwarden on December 31, 2015, 09:53:26 AM
Washington Fish and game have a Facebook page, there is one now that talks about the past year. I think we should inidate every post they put up with calls for Unsworth to do his job and make things right in the Wdfw, like get rid of Cenci and others like him. The Wdfw sees all the post and have in the past responded to my rants. Let them have it on Facebook, lots of the public sees the post. Just an idea, I don't want to be the only guy never drawing a special permit again!!!
Great idea!
Post by: Curly on December 31, 2015, 09:53:32 AM
Post by: Skillet on December 31, 2015, 09:54:00 AM
Washington Fish and game have a Facebook page, there is one now that talks about the past year. I think we should inidate every post they put up with calls for Unsworth to do his job and make things right in the Wdfw, like get rid of Cenci and others like him. The Wdfw sees all the post and have in the past responded to my rants. Let them have it on Facebook, lots of the public sees the post. Just an idea, I don't want to be the only guy never drawing a special permit again!!!
"Again"? :chuckle:
Great idea trophyhunt. I don't FB, but those that do could light that page up pretty well I bet.
You make a good point though - I wonder if people are afraid of repercussions for standing up and making themselves heard? Think about that for a second... somebody not saying something because they're afraid of the fallout is exactly what these scandalous *censored*s want. That is why a dirty cop is the absolute worst - and why we should not be putting up with it on any level. The more people that get involved, the less chance that any one person is singled out for retribution.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 31, 2015, 09:55:28 AM
Post by: ucwarden on December 31, 2015, 09:58:37 AM
Please forward this email on to each and every commissioner:
It has now been a full year since you appointed Jim Unsworth to director of WDFW. I know all of you are somewhat aware of the significant issues within the enforcement program, in particular the administration of that program, but I doubt you have heard from both sides of the issue. Before you throw your hands up and declare that internal personnel issues are none of your business, let me point out a few things;
It seems Jim Unsworth has only two supervisors; the commission and the governor, with you commissioners being his first-line supervisor(s). That makes how Director Unsworth runs the agency (or doesn't run the agency) your business. When employees feel they have no chance of relief from bullying and corruption within their direct chain-of-command in WDFW, they have looked to the director for help. When the director drops the ball and does nothing, then suddenly the "internal personnel issues" become your problem. Who else do these fine officers go to, if nobody in the agency will listen?
I know, from emails I have received as a result of PDR's, you have all received the summary reports from the WSP investigation, and I also know that at least one commissioner has asked to be "kept in the loop" regarding the investigation of allegations against enforcement staff.
You may not know the deputy director limited the scope of the WSP investigation, so that almost none of the recent (fresh) allegations were to be investigated, then in his summary he seems to dismiss some of the inappropriate behavior as old (stale). The reports showed a great deal of older/stale allegations, because that is what the deputy director limited the investigators to.
If you want to read the documents which paint an accurate portrayal of what is going on within the agency you manage, take a look at: www.wdfwinvestigation.com a website full of documents obtained from WDFW by way of PDR's.
Director Unsworth has been in place for an entire year, yet has failed to take any noticeable actions to rectify the severe issues in enforcement, and as a result things just keep getting worse. The ball is now in your court to make things right, and get the agency back on track.
Todd Vandivert
xxxxxxxxxxx@comcast.net
(509) xxx-xxxx
Post by: trophyhunt on December 31, 2015, 09:58:52 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 31, 2015, 10:01:16 AM
Post by: Tbar on December 31, 2015, 10:09:56 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 31, 2015, 10:23:26 AM
https://m.facebook.com/WDFWPolice/?ref=content_filter
Post by: SuperX on December 31, 2015, 10:31:46 AM
Post by: grundy53 on December 31, 2015, 11:14:24 AM
https://www.facebook.com/WashingtonFishWildlife/posts/10153152885566761:0
I replied to your comment. ;)
Post by: trophyhunt on December 31, 2015, 11:16:28 AM
thank you, I'm hoping we can get the masses on here to reply as well! :tup:https://www.facebook.com/WashingtonFishWildlife/posts/10153152885566761:0
I replied to your comment. ;)
Post by: grundy53 on December 31, 2015, 11:34:57 AM
Would all of you who have sent a letter or email to Director Unsworth, please forward those emails or letters to my email address: ucwarden@gmail.com and let me know the date you sent it in.
I just sent an email to the Director and CC'd the commission and you. Thank you once again for what you are doing.
Post by: Gringo31 on December 31, 2015, 01:07:49 PM
Post by: ucwarden on December 31, 2015, 01:10:19 PM
Let's keep this going. Ucwarden, I forwarded my email to you as well.
Thanks everyone. Keep it up!
Post by: ucwarden on December 31, 2015, 01:30:34 PM
This is an independent arbitrator's view of WDFW enforcement, and he doesn't hold back. It is obvious he saw through the lies.
Post by: ucwarden on December 31, 2015, 01:38:02 PM
Let's keep this going. Ucwarden, I forwarded my email to you as well.
Thanks!
Post by: WSU on December 31, 2015, 01:43:47 PM
Okay everyone, this will be one of the most critical reports you will find on www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com), go to the section titled "New Material- Hot off the press", then click on "Officer Jones Termination Hearing- Final Ruling".
This is an independent arbitrator's view of WDFW enforcement, and he doesn't hold back. It is obvious he saw through the lies.
The link doesn't work for me.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 31, 2015, 01:46:38 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 31, 2015, 01:47:22 PM
The link doesn't work for me.It's up at the top left of the page
Post by: ucwarden on December 31, 2015, 02:00:05 PM
Okay everyone, this will be one of the most critical reports you will find on www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com), go to the section titled "New Material- Hot off the press", then click on "Officer Jones Termination Hearing- Final Ruling".
This is an independent arbitrator's view of WDFW enforcement, and he doesn't hold back. It is obvious he saw through the lies.
The link doesn't work for me.
Try going to http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com/new-material--hot-off-the-press.html (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com/new-material--hot-off-the-press.html) then clicking on the "Officer Jones Termination Hearing" link. Please let me know if it still doesn't work.
Post by: Curly on December 31, 2015, 02:06:32 PM
Okay everyone, this will be one of the most critical reports you will find on www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com), go to the section titled "New Material- Hot off the press", then click on "Officer Jones Termination Hearing- Final Ruling".
This is an independent arbitrator's view of WDFW enforcement, and he doesn't hold back. It is obvious he saw through the lies.
The link doesn't work for me.
Try going to http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com/new-material--hot-off-the-press.html (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com/new-material--hot-off-the-press.html) then clicking on the "Officer Jones Termination Hearing" link. Please let me know if it still doesn't work.
It's probably the other link that he was having issues with. The one that says "This will make you wonder what happened and who is running WDFW"
I was able to open it by downloading it to my computer and then giving the file a .docx extension. Those of us with older versions of word need to add the extension so word knows to convert the file so it can be read.
The other link goes to a file that has a .doc file extension and it seems to work fine. :twocents:
Post by: ucwarden on December 31, 2015, 02:30:26 PM
Okay everyone, this will be one of the most critical reports you will find on www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com), go to the section titled "New Material- Hot off the press", then click on "Officer Jones Termination Hearing- Final Ruling".
This is an independent arbitrator's view of WDFW enforcement, and he doesn't hold back. It is obvious he saw through the lies.
The link doesn't work for me.
Try going to http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com/new-material--hot-off-the-press.html (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com/new-material--hot-off-the-press.html) then clicking on the "Officer Jones Termination Hearing" link. Please let me know if it still doesn't work.
It's probably the other link that he was having issues with. The one that says "This will make you wonder what happened and who is running WDFW"
I was able to open it by downloading it to my computer and then giving the file a .docx extension. Those of us with older versions of word need to add the extension so word knows to convert the file so it can be read.
The other link goes to a file that has a .doc file extension and it seems to work fine. :twocents:
Way above my head. Thanks
Post by: SuperX on December 31, 2015, 05:36:04 PM
Okay everyone, this will be one of the most critical reports you will find on www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com), go to the section titled "New Material- Hot off the press", then click on "Officer Jones Termination Hearing- Final Ruling".
This is an independent arbitrator's view of WDFW enforcement, and he doesn't hold back. It is obvious he saw through the lies.
WOW! Scathing rebuke of the administration and their attempt to paint Jones as a criminal. I would be surprised if there were civil action taken against WDFW and Chief Bjork for sending this to the Sheriff rather than following their own procedures. Just shameful to see a good officer treated this way, and the vindictive way it was done. Shameful!
Post by: ucwarden on December 31, 2015, 05:54:03 PM
Okay everyone, this will be one of the most critical reports you will find on www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com), go to the section titled "New Material- Hot off the press", then click on "Officer Jones Termination Hearing- Final Ruling".
This is an independent arbitrator's view of WDFW enforcement, and he doesn't hold back. It is obvious he saw through the lies.
WOW! Scathing rebuke of the administration and their attempt to paint Jones as a criminal. I would be surprised if there were civil action taken against WDFW and Chief Bjork for sending this to the Sheriff rather than following their own procedures. Just shameful to see a good officer treated this way, and the vindictive way it was done. Shameful!
Even more shameful that nothing is being done to stop exactly that kind of behavior.
Post by: SuperX on December 31, 2015, 06:17:32 PM
Okay everyone, this will be one of the most critical reports you will find on www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com), go to the section titled "New Material- Hot off the press", then click on "Officer Jones Termination Hearing- Final Ruling".
This is an independent arbitrator's view of WDFW enforcement, and he doesn't hold back. It is obvious he saw through the lies.
WOW! Scathing rebuke of the administration and their attempt to paint Jones as a criminal. I would be surprised if there were civil action taken against WDFW and Chief Bjork for sending this to the Sheriff rather than following their own procedures. Just shameful to see a good officer treated this way, and the vindictive way it was done. Shameful!
Even more shameful that nothing is being done to stop exactly that kind of behavior.
I wouldn't be too hasty on that, given the nature of the rebuke implied by this report, Unsworth may just do something at last. That plus the email thread you posted where he was asking about Censie being removed from supervisory responsibilities leads me to think maybe it is just a case of the new guy not immediately taking the sides against his team without time to get to know the lay of the land and figuring out just which side of the discussion was lying. Now he has some proof/just cause to start cleaning house. My fingers are crossed. I would sure hate it if a new boss came in and fired half the management just on the (justifiably) angry voices of a few field employees. If I was him, I'd have waited to see what shakes out from the firing of the guy who was the most vocal (David Jones).
Post by: Bob33 on December 31, 2015, 06:20:57 PM
Post by: SuperX on December 31, 2015, 06:26:43 PM
By the way, it looks like a bunch of folks, yourself included, retired recently, some of them involved in the termination. Would the lack of official access to these folks have been part of the delay? It seems like from the testimony that some of them wouldn't / didn't / couldn't provide any testimony.
Post by: ucwarden on December 31, 2015, 06:48:45 PM
+1. That's my perspective. He doesn't need another wrongful termination mess. I think he is lining up his ducks and then will act.
I hope you guys are right, but the reviews (with suggestions on how to handle this) of the WSP reports written by Stohr sure makes it sound like nobody is going anywhere.
Post by: ucwarden on December 31, 2015, 06:51:25 PM
UCW, I did have a question about the Bjork(s) in the reports... sometimes it is Chief Bjork sometimes it is Captain. Did he get demoted or are there two Bjorks?
By the way, it looks like a bunch of folks, yourself included, retired recently, some of them involved in the termination. Would the lack of official access to these folks have been part of the delay? It seems like from the testimony that some of them wouldn't / didn't / couldn't provide any testimony.
Nope; only one Bjork and he was always the chief (came into the agency, from WSP, as chief).
I don't think any part of this delay is due to having a tough time finding us retired folks. Most of us were chomping at the bit to be interviewed.
Post by: Bob33 on December 31, 2015, 06:52:39 PM
I hope so too. This black cloud hanging over WDFW needs to go away for everyone's sake (except Cenci and Crown.)+1. That's my perspective. He doesn't need another wrongful termination mess. I think he is lining up his ducks and then will act.
I hope you guys are right, but the reviews (with suggestions on how to handle this) of the WSP reports written by Stohr sure makes it sound like nobody is going anywhere.
Post by: SuperX on December 31, 2015, 06:58:00 PM
UCW, I did have a question about the Bjork(s) in the reports... sometimes it is Chief Bjork sometimes it is Captain. Did he get demoted or are there two Bjorks?
By the way, it looks like a bunch of folks, yourself included, retired recently, some of them involved in the termination. Would the lack of official access to these folks have been part of the delay? It seems like from the testimony that some of them wouldn't / didn't / couldn't provide any testimony.
Nope; only one Bjork and he was always the chief (came into the agency, from WSP, as chief).
I don't think any part of this delay is due to having a tough time finding us retired folks. Most of us were chomping at the bit to be interviewed.
Must be typos by someone cause Bjork changed rank a few times during the testimony and the final report :) As far as access, I wondered if officially this was an internal labor dispute, not sure if the CBA or WDFW rules allow non-employee's to testify at an internal inquiry?
Post by: Man Tracker on December 31, 2015, 07:18:31 PM
Post by: SuperX on December 31, 2015, 07:31:18 PM
Numerous non-employees were asked to testify. Most did so...
That makes it more telling that Bjork didn't testify
Post by: ucwarden on January 01, 2016, 07:53:06 AM
http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com/new-material--hot-off-the-press.html (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com/new-material--hot-off-the-press.html)
Post by: nwwanderer on January 01, 2016, 09:29:45 AM
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Post by: SnakeEyes on January 01, 2016, 11:32:40 AM
Post by: ucwarden on January 01, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
Has the meeting to reassign Cenci happened, sorry if I missed it. I have witnessed this behavior in other regions.
As far as I know, nothing ever happened at all, but I don't know why not.
Post by: ucwarden on January 01, 2016, 01:10:29 PM
Would it hurt to attach these excerpts to our e-mails to the director or anyone else? It seems like it would put more pressure on the director if he knew the public had this testimony in front of them.
I am pretty sure they already know about every word on this forum, and monitor it and the www.wdfwinvestigation.com website. But feel free to attach the testimony if you think it will help.
Post by: idahohuntr on January 01, 2016, 01:19:33 PM
:yeah:I hope so too. This black cloud hanging over WDFW needs to go away for everyone's sake (except Cenci and Crown.)+1. That's my perspective. He doesn't need another wrongful termination mess. I think he is lining up his ducks and then will act.
I hope you guys are right, but the reviews (with suggestions on how to handle this) of the WSP reports written by Stohr sure makes it sound like nobody is going anywhere.
Hope it goes soon and Unsworth is working a permanent fix.
Post by: ucwarden on January 01, 2016, 02:17:32 PM
:yeah:I hope so too. This black cloud hanging over WDFW needs to go away for everyone's sake (except Cenci and Crown.)+1. That's my perspective. He doesn't need another wrongful termination mess. I think he is lining up his ducks and then will act.
I hope you guys are right, but the reviews (with suggestions on how to handle this) of the WSP reports written by Stohr sure makes it sound like nobody is going anywhere.
Hope it goes soon and Unsworth is working a permanent fix.
He has been in place, and aware of the problems, for a year now and hasn't fixed a thing. I don't know why he would start fixing things now.
Post by: ucwarden on January 01, 2016, 04:57:31 PM
Post by: 3nails on January 01, 2016, 05:43:21 PM
WDFW Officer Dave Jones (Bellingham) was just awarded his job back, as a result of winning his termination arbitration hearing. He gets back-pay, and should start back with WDFW around the end of January!This is fantastic news for Whatcom Co.! Very happy for Dave!
Another major expense, for all of us, caused by poor management of enforcement.
Post by: idahohuntr on January 01, 2016, 06:24:22 PM
Did Unsworth have to concur for officer Jones to be fired?:yeah:I hope so too. This black cloud hanging over WDFW needs to go away for everyone's sake (except Cenci and Crown.)+1. That's my perspective. He doesn't need another wrongful termination mess. I think he is lining up his ducks and then will act.
I hope you guys are right, but the reviews (with suggestions on how to handle this) of the WSP reports written by Stohr sure makes it sound like nobody is going anywhere.
Hope it goes soon and Unsworth is working a permanent fix.
He has been in place, and aware of the problems, for a year now and hasn't fixed a thing. I don't know why he would start fixing things now.
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Post by: ucwarden on January 01, 2016, 06:28:32 PM
Did Unsworth have to concur for officer Jones to be fired?:yeah:I hope so too. This black cloud hanging over WDFW needs to go away for everyone's sake (except Cenci and Crown.)+1. That's my perspective. He doesn't need another wrongful termination mess. I think he is lining up his ducks and then will act.
I hope you guys are right, but the reviews (with suggestions on how to handle this) of the WSP reports written by Stohr sure makes it sound like nobody is going anywhere.
Hope it goes soon and Unsworth is working a permanent fix.
He has been in place, and aware of the problems, for a year now and hasn't fixed a thing. I don't know why he would start fixing things now.
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No, Dave was fired well before (almost a year before) Unsworth came to Washington. Dave has been on terminated status for about 2 years, waiting for his appeal hearing.
Post by: Dan-o on January 01, 2016, 06:45:59 PM
Truly disgusting.
And Mr. Unsworth has had a year? That is equally disappointing.
Mr. Unsworth........................... STEP UP TO THE JOB YOU TOOK!
Post by: Oldguy on January 01, 2016, 06:56:23 PM
At least Officer Jones is back on the payroll and he is someone I really respect unlike the clowns at the top of the WDFW disorganization.
Post by: ucwarden on January 01, 2016, 07:59:29 PM
Unreal that Cenci can keep his job with all of this on the record.
Truly disgusting.
And Mr. Unsworth has had a year? That is equally disappointing.
Mr. Unsworth........................... STEP UP TO THE JOB YOU TOOK!
I take it the documents were enlightening? With these documents, everyone can now see why the enforcement program is so divided, some support the administration and some don't. Both sides feel very strongly.
Post by: ucwarden on January 01, 2016, 08:03:25 PM
I have resigned my Hunter Education Instructor position and I will not purchase another hunting or fishing license in this state until this mess is resolved.
At least Officer Jones is back on the payroll and he is someone I really respect unlike the clowns at the top of the WDFW disorganization.
Many of us are very excited that Dave will be back in game warden uniform where he belongs, but all of this will continue as long as nobody makes any real change to the administration. The real irony is that I wouldn't have done any of this work, to expose what is going on, had they not screwed with Dave and his family. I'm a retired investigator, with lots of time and energy.
Post by: Dan-o on January 01, 2016, 08:22:31 PM
Unreal that Cenci can keep his job with all of this on the record.
Truly disgusting.
And Mr. Unsworth has had a year? That is equally disappointing.
Mr. Unsworth........................... STEP UP TO THE JOB YOU TOOK!
I take it the documents were enlightening? With these documents, everyone can now see why the enforcement program is so divided, some support the administration and some don't. Both sides feel very strongly.
Terribly enlightening......... I hate to see police power abused.
I was raised to respect LEOs and I always want to land on their side..... but this kind of stuff sure seems to be coming up a lot lately.......
Post by: nwwanderer on January 02, 2016, 08:39:11 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 02, 2016, 08:53:23 AM
I have resigned my Hunter Education Instructor position and I will not purchase another hunting or fishing license in this state until this mess is resolved.
At least Officer Jones is back on the payroll and he is someone I really respect unlike the clowns at the top of the WDFW disorganization.
Many of us are very excited that Dave will be back in game warden uniform where he belongs, but all of this will continue as long as nobody makes any real change to the administration. The real irony is that I wouldn't have done any of this work, to expose what is going on, had they not screwed with Dave and his family. I'm a retired investigator, with lots of time and energy.
The world needs more stand up guys like you ucwarden defending our wildlife, and standing up to the bullies in charge. :tup:
Post by: ucwarden on January 02, 2016, 09:14:52 AM
Thank you WCWARDEN, this is not easy or fun
Thanks. I do appreciate comments such as yours. It has been a lot of work, and it clearly looks like I fell way short of my goal, but I tried. At least Officer Jones got his job back, so we made some progress. I have done just about all I can do at this point, and seem to have failed, so now it can finally fully retire soon.
Post by: ucwarden on January 02, 2016, 09:15:56 AM
I have resigned my Hunter Education Instructor position and I will not purchase another hunting or fishing license in this state until this mess is resolved.
At least Officer Jones is back on the payroll and he is someone I really respect unlike the clowns at the top of the WDFW disorganization.
Many of us are very excited that Dave will be back in game warden uniform where he belongs, but all of this will continue as long as nobody makes any real change to the administration. The real irony is that I wouldn't have done any of this work, to expose what is going on, had they not screwed with Dave and his family. I'm a retired investigator, with lots of time and energy.
The world needs more stand up guys like you ucwarden defending our wildlife, and standing up to the bullies in charge. :tup:
Again; thanks for your support. People on this forum have been great.
Post by: ucwarden on January 05, 2016, 03:32:25 PM
Post by: grundy53 on January 05, 2016, 03:38:24 PM
Unreal that Cenci can keep his job with all of this on the record.
Truly disgusting.
And Mr. Unsworth has had a year? That is equally disappointing.
Mr. Unsworth........................... STEP UP TO THE JOB YOU TOOK!
:yeah:
Post by: grundy53 on January 05, 2016, 03:39:52 PM
Would all of you who have sent a letter or email to Director Unsworth, please forward those emails or letters to my email address: ucwarden@gmail.com and let me know the date you sent it in.
I just sent an email to the Director and CC'd the commission and you. Thank you once again for what you are doing.
Haven't got a response yet from anyone but UCwarden.
Post by: ucwarden on January 05, 2016, 03:45:12 PM
Would all of you who have sent a letter or email to Director Unsworth, please forward those emails or letters to my email address: ucwarden@gmail.com and let me know the date you sent it in.
I just sent an email to the Director and CC'd the commission and you. Thank you once again for what you are doing.
Haven't got a response yet from anyone but UCwarden.
Yah, how's that for public service?
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on January 05, 2016, 04:32:02 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 05, 2016, 04:34:31 PM
I still say give Unsworth some time. It's a steep learning curve moving from one agency to another. If you haven't worked in a corrupt organization before, and have worked for an ethical one, it is really hard to believe it is really happening.
I respect your position, but I feel a full year and a ton of evidence should be enough for him to do something....take a stand one way or the other.
Post by: quadrafire on January 05, 2016, 04:35:43 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 12, 2016, 01:59:49 PM
"I don't -- well things are -- again, things are done differently at Fish & Wildlife than they're done in a professional law enforcement agency."- WDFW Chief Bruce Bjork (retired)
Post by: Gringo31 on January 12, 2016, 02:22:37 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 12, 2016, 02:24:15 PM
LOL
This stuff is too good to make up. Gotta love it.
Post by: kellama2001 on January 12, 2016, 04:49:10 PM
Here is the quote of the day (from the WSP investigation of WDFW):
"I don't -- well things are -- again, things are done differently at Fish & Wildlife than they're done in a professional law enforcement agency."- WDFW Chief Bruce Bjork (retired)
Wow....
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 09:03:31 AM
Post by: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 11:37:58 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on January 16, 2016, 12:38:01 PM
I know Lee and Phillips.
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 12:40:18 PM
CrazyWhat's crazy is that not a thing has been done to address any of this!
I know Lee and Phillips.
Post by: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 12:44:02 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 01:09:25 PM
Can a poll be started from this point in the thread?A poll about who here would have done the drowning incident differently,the same.Don't know wasn't their can't rightfully say what i would have done.Or would a new thread need to be started?
As always, I respect everyone's right to speak their minds and offer their perspectives. That being said, I personally have no desire to hear people, who weren't there, say what they would have done or what should have been done. The three officers involved in that incident are all good friends of mine. I know them well, and I am proud to call them friends, and I stand 100% behind their decisions. All three are courageous and I am certain they wouldn't hesitate to put themselves in harm's way, if they felt they had a chance of helping someone in need. So, respectively, I don't really want to hear what other people think about the choices those officers made.
Post by: Wacenturion on January 16, 2016, 01:11:16 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 01:29:16 PM
Pretty sad......considering what the Agency could be. It was going downhill a few years before I retired. Looks like it continued to get worse.Or even considering what the agency used to be. I really had high hopes when Director Anderson retired and Unsworth came in, but I now have virtually no hope that things will change for the better. I guess I have to accept the fact that the good guys don't always win.
Post by: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 02:13:41 PM
With all due respect why did you put it up?I don't want to say i would have done this or i would have done that in this scenario but i will tell you that as a combat vet,We never leave a person behind dead or alive,Only a select few can say a person is dead and until then you treat it all as though they were alive and do all you can to try to save that person.COPS,FIREMAN,DOCTORS,NURSES, TEACHERS,COAST GUARD,ARMY NAVY,AIR FORCE,MARINES AND WARDENS YOU NAME IT, SO SORRY I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.The women tried. :twocents: :twocents:Can a poll be started from this point in the thread?A poll about who here would have done the drowning incident differently,the same.Don't know wasn't their can't rightfully say what i would have done.Or would a new thread need to be started?
As always, I respect everyone's right to speak their minds and offer their perspectives. That being said, I personally have no desire to hear people, who weren't there, say what they would have done or what should have been done. The three officers involved in that incident are all good friends of mine. I know them well, and I am proud to call them friends, and I stand 100% behind their decisions. All three are courageous and I am certain they wouldn't hesitate to put themselves in harm's way, if they felt they had a chance of helping someone in need. So, respectively, I don't really want to hear what other people think about the choices those officers made.
Post by: Wacenturion on January 16, 2016, 02:14:08 PM
Pretty sad......considering what the Agency could be. It was going downhill a few years before I retired. Looks like it continued to get worse.Or even considering what the agency used to be. I really had high hopes when Director Anderson retired and Unsworth came in, but I now have virtually no hope that things will change for the better. I guess I have to accept the fact that the good guys don't always win.
I always used to say that there were two types of WDFW employees. They were either self interest types or public interest types. Far more public types in WDFW than the former, but unfortunately while all the public types are trying to do good things for the public, the selfie's are doing nothing but playing the devil's advocate, go to meetings and put on the knowlegable question cloaks, while softly stabbing others who are doing the right things in the back.
You know the drill as well as me. Rumors start that have no basis and they grow like a cancer with these ego type wanna be controllers. Too bad WDFW has progressed to this state of affairs. My assessment, and I'm sure you agree, is that if a new Director has the qualifications to first get the job, then comes in and in the short term (1st year) can't figure out what I alluded to above, he or she has no business being in that position, period. It all comes from the top. You either have ethics and the you know what to go with them, or quite frankly you don't, and therefore you're just another imposter wasting everyone's time and resources, like many before you.
I put a lot blame on the Commission. They've always been somewhat politcal and favoring management, rather than acting responsible and correctiong things at the top when needed. But then, what the heck do I know. I only spent 30+ years there. >:(
I might add, working with and having cross divisional support from co-workers like yourself was always greatly appreciated. That's why things worked. :tup:
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 02:29:28 PM
With all due respect why did you put it up?I don't want to say i would have done this or i would have done that in this scenario but i will tell you that as a combat vet,We never leave a person behind dead or alive,Only a select few can say a person is dead and until then you treat it all as though they were alive and do all you can to try to save that person.COPS,FIREMAN,DOCTORS,NURSES, TEACHERS,COAST GUARD,ARMY NAVY,AIR FORCE,MARINES AND WARDENS YOU NAME IT, SO SORRY I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.The women tried. :twocents: :twocents:Can a poll be started from this point in the thread?A poll about who here would have done the drowning incident differently,the same.Don't know wasn't their can't rightfully say what i would have done.Or would a new thread need to be started?
As always, I respect everyone's right to speak their minds and offer their perspectives. That being said, I personally have no desire to hear people, who weren't there, say what they would have done or what should have been done. The three officers involved in that incident are all good friends of mine. I know them well, and I am proud to call them friends, and I stand 100% behind their decisions. All three are courageous and I am certain they wouldn't hesitate to put themselves in harm's way, if they felt they had a chance of helping someone in need. So, respectively, I don't really want to hear what other people think about the choices those officers made.
Why did I put it up? I put in on the website to show Sgt. Phillips perspective of the WDFW enforcement administration, and the boating accident was only one piece of what I posted.
I am sure that if you were ever in a firefight or other use of deadly force, while you were in combat, you wouldn't have appreciated having you tactics, procedures, and decisions second-guessed and evaluated by a group of people who have never been in that situation. Life and death decisions are always tough and we all know once the decision has been made; it's over. All the what if's on earth won't bring the boy back.
That is all I have for you on this subject, as I don't want to really debate it any further.
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 02:31:08 PM
Pretty sad......considering what the Agency could be. It was going downhill a few years before I retired. Looks like it continued to get worse.Or even considering what the agency used to be. I really had high hopes when Director Anderson retired and Unsworth came in, but I now have virtually no hope that things will change for the better. I guess I have to accept the fact that the good guys don't always win.
I always used to say that there were two types of WDFW employees. They were either self interest types or public interest types. Far more public types in WDFW than the former, but unfortunately while all the public types are trying to do good things for the public, the selfie's are doing nothing but playing the devil's advocate, go to meetings and put on the knowlegable question cloaks, while softly stabbing others who are doing the right things in the back.
You know the drill as well as me. Rumors start that have no basis and they grow like a cancer with these ego type wanna be controllers. Too bad WDFW has progressed to this state of affairs. My assessment, and I'm sure you agree, is that if a new Director has the qualifications to first get the job, then comes in and in the short term (1st year) can't figure out what I alluded to above, he or she has no business being in that position, period. It all comes from the top. You either have ethics and the you know what to go with them, or quite frankly you don't, and therefore you're just another imposter wasting everyone's time and resources, like many before you.
I put a lot blame on the Commission. They've always been somewhat politcal and favoring management, rather than acting responsible and correctiong things at the top when needed. But then, what the heck do I know. I only spent 30+ years there. >:(
I might add, working with and having cross divisional support from co-workers like yourself was always greatly appreciated. That's why things worked. :tup:
I totally agree, the commission holds a great deal of the responsibility for how badly things have degraded.
Post by: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 02:48:23 PM
Wouldn't be appreciated?Right or wrong?With all due respect why did you put it up?I don't want to say i would have done this or i would have done that in this scenario but i will tell you that as a combat vet,We never leave a person behind dead or alive,Only a select few can say a person is dead and until then you treat it all as though they were alive and do all you can to try to save that person.COPS,FIREMAN,DOCTORS,NURSES, TEACHERS,COAST GUARD,ARMY NAVY,AIR FORCE,MARINES AND WARDENS YOU NAME IT, SO SORRY I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.The women tried. :twocents: :twocents:Can a poll be started from this point in the thread?A poll about who here would have done the drowning incident differently,the same.Don't know wasn't their can't rightfully say what i would have done.Or would a new thread need to be started?
As always, I respect everyone's right to speak their minds and offer their perspectives. That being said, I personally have no desire to hear people, who weren't there, say what they would have done or what should have been done. The three officers involved in that incident are all good friends of mine. I know them well, and I am proud to call them friends, and I stand 100% behind their decisions. All three are courageous and I am certain they wouldn't hesitate to put themselves in harm's way, if they felt they had a chance of helping someone in need. So, respectively, I don't really want to hear what other people think about the choices those officers made.
Why did I put it up? I put in on the website to show Sgt. Phillips perspective of the WDFW enforcement administration, and the boating accident was only one piece of what I posted.
I am sure that if you were ever in a firefight or other use of deadly force, while you were in combat, you wouldn't have appreciated having you tactics, procedures, and decisions second-guessed and evaluated by a group of people who have never been in that situation. Life and death decisions are always tough and we all know once the decision has been made; it's over. All the what if's on earth won't bring the boy back.
That is all I have for you on this subject, as I don't want to really debate it any further.
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 02:52:13 PM
OF COURSE NOT(that would be counter productive to the cause),NO PROBLEM.I read the entire thing.The boating thing was just the first of a few but ill let it go as i can see you don't want any opinions that don't match yours. Thank you.With all due respect why did you put it up?I don't want to say i would have done this or i would have done that in this scenario but i will tell you that as a combat vet,We never leave a person behind dead or alive,Only a select few can say a person is dead and until then you treat it all as though they were alive and do all you can to try to save that person.COPS,FIREMAN,DOCTORS,NURSES, TEACHERS,COAST GUARD,ARMY NAVY,AIR FORCE,MARINES AND WARDENS YOU NAME IT, SO SORRY I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.The women tried. :twocents: :twocents:Can a poll be started from this point in the thread?A poll about who here would have done the drowning incident differently,the same.Don't know wasn't their can't rightfully say what i would have done.Or would a new thread need to be started?
As always, I respect everyone's right to speak their minds and offer their perspectives. That being said, I personally have no desire to hear people, who weren't there, say what they would have done or what should have been done. The three officers involved in that incident are all good friends of mine. I know them well, and I am proud to call them friends, and I stand 100% behind their decisions. All three are courageous and I am certain they wouldn't hesitate to put themselves in harm's way, if they felt they had a chance of helping someone in need. So, respectively, I don't really want to hear what other people think about the choices those officers made.
Why did I put it up? I put in on the website to show Sgt. Phillips perspective of the WDFW enforcement administration, and the boating accident was only one piece of what I posted.
I am sure that if you were ever in a firefight or other use of deadly force, while you were in combat, you wouldn't have appreciated having you tactics, procedures, and decisions second-guessed and evaluated by a group of people who have never been in that situation. Life and death decisions are always tough and we all know once the decision has been made; it's over. All the what if's on earth won't bring the boy back.
That is all I have for you on this subject, as I don't want to really debate it any further.
That's a pretty cheap shot, and not at all accurate. What I don't want to hear is evaluations of tactics and decisions, regarding a life and death situation, in-which the people making the comments do not have the complete background nor the experience/intelligence to fairly evaluate that situation. I am totally open to listening to anyone's opinion, but I am not going to agree with your idea of having a poll to vote on how these officers did. If you want to discuss this in-depth, please email me at: ucwarden@gmail.com but we willing to identify yourself to me.
Post by: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 02:57:45 PM
Maybe i missed something have you identified yourself?
Post by: Skillet on January 16, 2016, 03:14:43 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 03:17:36 PM
Oh Mah, you are coming in late to this topic, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - but you clearly don't have the perspective needed to be questioning ucwarden's intentions here. I was a skeptic at first myself, but came to realize ucwarden's efforts are not only justified but beyond reproach considering the subject matter. Please do some reading and research and them off you feel the need to question ucwarden's motives, feel free
Thank you sir
Post by: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 03:25:56 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 03:34:35 PM
I'm gonna step away, try to pull foot out of mouth.Sorry to all especially you Mr warden
No, don't step away. We simply got off on the wrong foot. I really do respect other's opinions, it's just a couple of things;
1) There have been a couple of "plants" on here, trying to discredit me and my cause. Anyone who has followed this, have seen it.
2) I am a staunch advocate of anyone who has to make an instant decision, which is later second-guessed to death. If you have ever been in a critical incident, you understand that the officers spend thousands of hours milling the incident over and over in their minds, and these types of after-the-fact evaluations never help. I tend to be awfully protective of the good guys in life.
Last; I want to sincerely thank you for your service to our country.
So, let's start over. Read a bunch of the documents on www.wdfwinvestigation.com , then join back into this thread.
Post by: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 04:34:18 PM
As i stated in the pm to you sir im not a plant just an uninformed person that should have known more on this topic than i did.I apologize to you and every one reading this thread and .I should not have said anything until i knew more about it.
It's all good. Do some reading, then jump back on here. This whole forum was provided to all of us, thanks to one generous guy, so we could all openly discuss topics. This topic is very very important, and I welcome different perspectives and ideas. That's the whole idea behind a discussion forum. So please, don't let this discourage your participation.
When I first started on here (I had never been on a forum in my life), I got blasted by a couple of guys who thought I was only on here to peddle my book. But the more I was on here the more people came around, and I have now received a great deal of help from many participants in this forum. So please, keep with us.
Post by: Skyhigh on January 16, 2016, 06:35:25 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 06:38:52 PM
I just completed watching "making a murderer" this WDFW stuff rivals the corruption in that documentary.
Haven't see "making a murderer" yet, but if it's like what we have been through over the last decade, I'm not sure I want to see it. The WDFW drama has been enough for a lifetime.
Post by: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 06:41:18 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 07:00:30 PM
I have read a few now UCWARDEN,None are saying where they are now in the investigation,Is this finalized started over again or what?.There is a lot of reading.There is a lot of corruption i can see that after just reading some of the interviews. OR DO I JUST HAVE TO READ AND WAIT?
It is a very long story, but since it's halftime (on the game I'm watching), here is the short version:
In 2012 the officer's guild sent the director a bunch of allegations (mostly against Deputy Chief Mike Cenci). After a very long time, the director finally started an investigation, but he did so by hiring some private attorney from Seattle (Amy Stephson). In March 2013, Stephson came out with her finding, and many of us felt it was an incomplete, biased, white-wash.
In the meantime, I retired (at the end of 2012), and they then terminated Officer Dave Jones (a friend of mine and good officer). Firing Dave forced me into gear. I wrote and published a book (Operation CODY), which detailed the wrong-doing in WDFW enforcement.
I then took on the role of spearheading a group effort to get attention to the very serious issues within WDFW enforcement. I have submitted many many PDR's (Public Disclosure Requests) to WDFW and have worked to disseminate that information. I have testified before a WA Senate Committee on the problems, have been interviewed by the media, and started a website.....all in an effort to get rid of the corrupt and improve work conditions for the brave men and women who protect our natural resources.
As a result of our work, we finally convinced the new director to have the WA State Patrol investigate WDFW enforcement, but unfortunately the deputy director limited the scope of that investigation. None the less, the material which has come from that WSP investigation, and the transcript of Officer Dave Jones' successful appeal of his termination, has been shocking. The corruption and wrong-doing is now well documented, but unfortunately has not yet been addressed at all by the administration (Director Unsworth) at all.
There you go.
Post by: Skyhigh on January 16, 2016, 07:14:08 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 07:15:35 PM
Do watch making of a murderer, it scares me folks like you and officer jones could fall victim through planting evidence against you. After watching the documentary you will completely understand.
I'll give it a try
Post by: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 07:15:46 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 07:28:58 PM
Crazy,It seems like it is an air tight case (sexual harassment,Sexism) to mention the easiest ones.I wonder if this goes higher in the system then just the DFW.Who all is being protected here?
When you figure out what is going on, let me know because I have no idea what is going on or why.
Post by: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 07:35:53 PM
Post by: Curly on January 16, 2016, 10:32:36 PM
I finally made it thru the Phillips testimony.
The quote toward the end is jaw dropping regarding Olson and Anderson lying about Cenci.
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She -- she asked the question have you ever known Deputy Chief Cenci to bully anybody,
16 and bully, intimidate, etc., etc. And they both said well you know, he’s, uh, he’s loud and
17 he’s, uh, enthusiastic and, uh, he’s -- he’s got a fairly abrasive personality. And when we
18 got outside, I said you lied. Well, y -- uh, yeah. I said you’ve seen him bully people. Well,
19 yeah, but I didn’t wanna go on record with (ph) that. Okay.
20 Q. So w -- was it just that that they lied about?
21 A. Mm-hmm.
22 Q. And who were those guys?
23 A. Eric Anderson and Eric Olson.
24 Q. And when asked if -- if -- if he was a bully, they -- they said he was -- they described what a
25 bully is but they -- they said he wasn’t a bully?
26 A. Right.
27 Q. Okay. All right. Anything else?
28 A. No, that’s --
29 Q. We’ll conclude the interview --
30 A. Oh, the only other thing I will say is that I -- one of the questions that, um, Amy asked was
31 who else should we be talking to. And I specifically said, uh, Phil Johnson, Ed Volz, um, Bill
32 Jarmon. And to the best of my knowledge, neither Jarmon nor Volz were -- were ever
33 contacted. And I found that very strange.
Post by: ucwarden on January 17, 2016, 05:31:06 AM
I have some catching up to do on reading some of the info from the investigation.
I finally made it thru the Phillips testimony.
The quote toward the end is jaw dropping regarding Olson and Anderson lying about Cenci.QuoteShe -- she asked the question have you ever known Deputy Chief Cenci to bully anybody,
16 and bully, intimidate, etc., etc. And they both said well you know, he’s, uh, he’s loud and
17 he’s, uh, enthusiastic and, uh, he’s -- he’s got a fairly abrasive personality. And when we
18 got outside, I said you lied. Well, y -- uh, yeah. I said you’ve seen him bully people. Well,
19 yeah, but I didn’t wanna go on record with (ph) that. Okay.
20 Q. So w -- was it just that that they lied about?
21 A. Mm-hmm.
22 Q. And who were those guys?
23 A. Eric Anderson and Eric Olson.
24 Q. And when asked if -- if -- if he was a bully, they -- they said he was -- they described what a
25 bully is but they -- they said he wasn’t a bully?
26 A. Right.
27 Q. Okay. All right. Anything else?
28 A. No, that’s --
29 Q. We’ll conclude the interview --
30 A. Oh, the only other thing I will say is that I -- one of the questions that, um, Amy asked was
31 who else should we be talking to. And I specifically said, uh, Phil Johnson, Ed Volz, um, Bill
32 Jarmon. And to the best of my knowledge, neither Jarmon nor Volz were -- were ever
33 contacted. And I found that very strange.
Yep, but there is evidence of plenty of lies in that material
Post by: HntnFsh on January 17, 2016, 07:40:04 AM
Post by: ucwarden on January 17, 2016, 07:56:45 AM
I remember some official that seemed to have a pretty serious interest in all this. Maybe a Sen. Pearson? Could be way off. But what I'm wondering is, is there anybody high enough in Govt. that sees things the way you do. That could at least ask Unsworth where he stands in this investigation. I cant believe that Unsworth hasn't even made acknowledged it.
You are correct, Senator Pearson is the one who has paid the most attention to these issues. I believe he has not given up and is continuing to work at a resolution. All of us, involved in this, are totally baffled by the fact that Unsworth has been totally silent on this. We expected some type of announcement by now, even if it was the old "I have reviewed all the material and don't feel it rises to the level of personnel action" or something like that. But nothing. I guess Unsworth is just going to sit back, ignore this, and hope it goes away.
Post by: bobcat on January 17, 2016, 08:00:55 AM
Post by: ucwarden on January 17, 2016, 08:04:56 AM
I wonder how many more years Unsworth plans on working? Maybe he's close to retirement and figures he can put in another year or two and let the next guy deal with the problem.Possible I guess, but if that is his plan, he will watch all of the real game wardens disappear one by one, as they decide to escape the abusive administration. Those game wardens can then be replaced by a team of yes men, who don't know a whitetail from a moose, but they will certainly know all about shellfish.
Post by: bearpaw on January 17, 2016, 08:07:32 AM
I wonder how many more years Unsworth plans on working? Maybe he's close to retirement and figures he can put in another year or two and let the next guy deal with the problem.Possible I guess, but if that is his plan, he will watch all of the real game wardens disappear one by one, as they decide to escape the abusive administration. Those game wardens can then be replaced by a team of yes men, who don't know a whitetail from a moose, but they will certainly know all about shellfish.
I was hoping Unsworth would seriously look into this, maybe the fact he hasn't said anything means he is seriously considering what to do? Trying to give you hope! :tup:
Post by: ucwarden on January 17, 2016, 08:09:02 AM
I wonder how many more years Unsworth plans on working? Maybe he's close to retirement and figures he can put in another year or two and let the next guy deal with the problem.Possible I guess, but if that is his plan, he will watch all of the real game wardens disappear one by one, as they decide to escape the abusive administration. Those game wardens can then be replaced by a team of yes men, who don't know a whitetail from a moose, but they will certainly know all about shellfish.
I was hoping Unsworth would seriously look into this, maybe the fact he hasn't said anything means he is seriously considering what to do? Trying to give you hope! :tup:
I hope you are right.
Post by: bigtex on January 17, 2016, 12:34:53 PM
I'd like to see Kim Chandler's interview transcript added to your site. Especially due to the whole "boot up your ass" comment from Cenci directed towards him....
Post by: ucwarden on January 17, 2016, 06:54:39 PM
UC,
I'd like to see Kim Chandler's interview transcript added to your site. Especially due to the whole "boot up your ass" comment from Cenci directed towards him....
Your wish is my command. I just posted it, and it will make you sick.
Post by: bigtex on January 17, 2016, 07:27:32 PM
Thanks Todd. It certainly does make me sick. Kim's a good guy (not that the other officers aren't) and for this type of stuff to be going on is just flat out BS.UC,Your wish is my command. I just posted it, and it will make you sick.
I'd like to see Kim Chandler's interview transcript added to your site. Especially due to the whole "boot up your ass" comment from Cenci directed towards him....
Unfortunately, I know of several other agencies where similar situations are occurring. The US Forest Service Law Enforcement program is in similar shoes. Lots of stuff online about that drama. In their case their version of Cenci was the actual Director of LE (he actually just retired and his buddy was promoted to his former position). The USFS LE Director literally slammed one of his officers (maybe a Capt.) against a wall and threatened to shove his foot up, etc. What happened? Nothing. This and all of the other issues have been brought to the actual Director of the USFS and he hasn't done anything. Sound familiar??
5 years ago most would say working as an law enforcement officer for WDFW or the USFS would be fantastic gig, can't say that anymore....
Post by: ucwarden on January 17, 2016, 07:58:14 PM
Thanks Todd. It certainly does make me sick. Kim's a good guy (not that the other officers aren't) and for this type of stuff to be going on is just flat out BS.UC,Your wish is my command. I just posted it, and it will make you sick.
I'd like to see Kim Chandler's interview transcript added to your site. Especially due to the whole "boot up your ass" comment from Cenci directed towards him....
Unfortunately, I know of several other agencies where similar situations are occurring. The US Forest Service Law Enforcement program is in similar shoes. Lots of stuff online about that drama. In their case their version of Cenci was the actual Director of LE (he actually just retired and his buddy was promoted to his former position). The USFS LE Director literally slammed one of his officers (maybe a Capt.) against a wall and threatened to shove his foot up, etc. What happened? Nothing. This and all of the other issues have been brought to the actual Director of the USFS and he hasn't done anything. Sound familiar??
5 years ago most would say working as an law enforcement officer for WDFW or the USFS would be fantastic gig, can't say that anymore....
It is going to make it damned tough for any supervisor, in either agency, to ever discipline an officer for anything.
Post by: ucwarden on January 19, 2016, 04:06:22 PM
On 11/25/15 I turned in information (to WDFW), which seems to indicate Sgt. Russ Mullins (a close friend of Cenci's) broke into WDFW evidence lockers, but now it seems WDFW enforcement isn't even investigating this allegations, even though Mullins testified under oath, that he did break into the lockers.
Go to www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com) and read "WDFW does not even investigate incident of favored sergeant breaking into evidence lockers"
It's incredible that they can get away with this hypocrisy.
Post by: eldplanko on January 19, 2016, 06:48:03 PM
UC,
I'd like to see Kim Chandler's interview transcript added to your site. Especially due to the whole "boot up your ass" comment from Cenci directed towards him....
Your wish is my command. I just posted it, and it will make you sick.
All I can say is wow... Hopefully the Director appreciates Sgt Chandler's statement, and the guts it took to go on record with the bs. One doesn't get 40 years in without knowing when to pick you battles.
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Post by: ucwarden on January 19, 2016, 06:50:24 PM
UC,
I'd like to see Kim Chandler's interview transcript added to your site. Especially due to the whole "boot up your ass" comment from Cenci directed towards him....
Your wish is my command. I just posted it, and it will make you sick.
All I can say is wow... Hopefully the Director appreciates Sgt Chandler's statement, and the guts it took to go on record with the bs. One doesn't get 40 years in without knowing when to pick you battles.
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You can tell, just by reading Kim's testimony, just how bad things have gotten.
Post by: Gringo31 on January 20, 2016, 09:31:35 AM
Post by: ucwarden on January 20, 2016, 09:35:12 AM
It appears this has gone on long enough and our Director needs to be directed to the door if he can't get his dept in order.
I am beginning to agree with that argument.
Post by: ucwarden on January 21, 2016, 12:06:08 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on January 21, 2016, 01:46:45 PM
The content is there, but it appears sketchy due to appearance. :twocents:
I'd also add a link to the WDFW webpage where they ask for input. Allow them to use the WDFW site for comments. :twocents:
Post by: ucwarden on January 21, 2016, 01:49:50 PM
Need a little help on that page of yours UC. You need to find someone who does web pages (probably someone on this site) who can make it look much more streamline and legit.
The content is there, but it appears sketchy due to appearance. :twocents:
I'd also add a link to the WDFW webpage where they ask for input. Allow them to use the WDFW site for comments. :twocents:
I am at the limit of my internet abilities, so if someone on here knows website building, inside-out, I would appreciate the help.
Post by: Vine Maples and Cottonwoo on February 02, 2016, 11:00:28 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 03, 2016, 02:06:03 PM
Post by: ucwarden on February 04, 2016, 06:27:15 AM
Sounds like some WDFW LEO are a danger to the public, especially out in the woods, where there are no witnesses. So, what exactly is the protection afforded to any member of the public who chooses to speak up? Looks like little or none. Also, are there sports end groups, particularly salmon interest, that are assisting in a PR campaign on WDFW/Cenci's behalf?
I am not sure where you even came up with that assessment, but there is certainly no reason to be concerned for your safety from WDFW officers. While there are certainly more than a fair share of problems in WDFW, physical violence is not one of them.
So no matter where you came up with that idea, you couldn't be further from the truth. Even those in administration, who I detest, would not be a threat to you or other members of the public, and in-fact would all risk their lives to protect you. So relax; you don't have a force of psycho-killers in uniform out there in the woods, waiting to pounce on you.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 04, 2016, 07:20:39 AM
Sounds like some WDFW LEO are a danger to the public, especially out in the woods, where there are no witnesses. So, what exactly is the protection afforded to any member of the public who chooses to speak up? Looks like little or none. Also, are there sports end groups, particularly salmon interest, that are assisting in a PR campaign on WDFW/Cenci's behalf?
I see you're very new to the forum and are probably unfamiliar with this thread and investigation. You need to read more of this thread and Operation Cody, as well as the links provided by ucwarden which detail specific areas of the investigation(s).
The officers in the field are doing their jobs well and regardless of how someone may feel about how they've been treated by individual enforcement officers in a specific situation, I know of no incidents which would cause me to feel that "some WDFW LEO are a danger to the public". This is about senior management running amok and how they negatively affect those LEOs in the field and undermines their efforts in protecting our resources.
Post by: Gringo31 on February 04, 2016, 11:29:39 AM
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WDFW invites public to help identify
conservation and recreation priorities
OLYMPIA – State fish and wildlife managers are asking people in coastal communities to attend a public forum next month to share their views on the values and priorities that should guide the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).
The meeting will take place from 6 to 8 p.m. Thursday, Feb. 4, at the Willapa Harbor Community Center, 916 W. First St., South Bend.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/jan1116a/
Post by: trophyhunt on February 04, 2016, 11:40:29 AM
Would be interesting to ask a few questions here...damn, during the week and not enough notice. This would have been good for us to attend!QuoteWDFW invites public to help identify
conservation and recreation priorities
OLYMPIA – State fish and wildlife managers are asking people in coastal communities to attend a public forum next month to share their views on the values and priorities that should guide the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).
The meeting will take place from 6 to 8 p.m. Thursday, Feb. 4, at the Willapa Harbor Community Center, 916 W. First St., South Bend.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/jan1116a/
Post by: ucwarden on February 04, 2016, 11:41:52 AM
Would be interesting to ask a few questions here...damn, during the week and not enough notice. This would have been good for us to attend!QuoteWDFW invites public to help identify
conservation and recreation priorities
OLYMPIA – State fish and wildlife managers are asking people in coastal communities to attend a public forum next month to share their views on the values and priorities that should guide the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).
The meeting will take place from 6 to 8 p.m. Thursday, Feb. 4, at the Willapa Harbor Community Center, 916 W. First St., South Bend.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/jan1116a/
I agree. It would have been great to attend.
Post by: Wacenturion on February 05, 2016, 03:19:25 PM
Would be interesting to ask a few questions here...QuoteWDFW invites public to help identify
conservation and recreation priorities
OLYMPIA – State fish and wildlife managers are asking people in coastal communities to attend a public forum next month to share their views on the values and priorities that should guide the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).
The meeting will take place from 6 to 8 p.m. Thursday, Feb. 4, at the Willapa Harbor Community Center, 916 W. First St., South Bend.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/jan1116a/
Oh Geez, here we go again. Just another tool to make you think something is going to happen. How many combined years of education and experience in an agency like WDFW and they need to ask what needs to get done? Therein lies the problem. We're supposed to lead, and manage in conjunction with the public's awareness and support.
Give you an example. When I went to work for the old Dept. of Game in the early 70's, the Wildlife Area Program was in a planning stage. It has been in a continual one since then. Just different buzz words to make the public think something positive is happening. The plans, which are drawn up every 5-8 years never get implemented. They just repackaged the effort in catchy new terminology and do it all over again. Look at us, we're doing something for you all. WDFW's Wildlife Areas are custodial at best.....fact. If WDFW was serious, they would be showcases of wildlife management principals. Want an easier to visualize example. Check out the average WDFW access site. Bare bones minimal effort. For crying out loud, that's the first thing people who use those sites visually connect with when they evaluate how WDFW is spending their license money.
Sorry to rant..............these announcements are like a broken record with a scratchy chalkboard thrown in as background music. It's become part of WDFW's DNA.
Post by: Man Tracker on February 05, 2016, 07:37:48 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on February 08, 2016, 01:37:49 PM
You are spot on. :tup:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 08, 2016, 01:42:41 PM
Would be interesting to ask a few questions here...QuoteWDFW invites public to help identify
conservation and recreation priorities
OLYMPIA – State fish and wildlife managers are asking people in coastal communities to attend a public forum next month to share their views on the values and priorities that should guide the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).
The meeting will take place from 6 to 8 p.m. Thursday, Feb. 4, at the Willapa Harbor Community Center, 916 W. First St., South Bend.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/jan1116a/
Oh Geez, here we go again. Just another tool to make you think something is going to happen. How many combined years of education and experience in an agency like WDFW and they need to ask what needs to get done? Therein lies the problem. We're supposed to lead, and manage in conjunction with the public's awareness and support.
Give you an example. When I went to work for the old Dept. of Game in the early 70's, the Wildlife Area Program was in a planning stage. It has been in a continual one since then. Just different buzz words to make the public think something positive is happening. The plans, which are drawn up every 5-8 years never get implemented. They just repackaged the effort in catchy new terminology and do it all over again. Look at us, we're doing something for you all. WDFW's Wildlife Areas are custodial at best.....fact. If WDFW was serious, they would be showcases of wildlife management principals. Want an easier to visualize example. Check out the average WDFW access site. Bare bones minimal effort. For crying out loud, that's the first thing people who use those sites visually connect with when they evaluate how WDFW is spending their license money.
Sorry to rant..............these announcements are like a broken record with a scratchy chalkboard thrown in as background music. It's become part of WDFW's DNA.
Like the WAG. Lip service. :bash:
Post by: Vine Maples and Cottonwoo on February 08, 2016, 11:23:04 PM
Anyway, I wrote to Sen. Pearson, Rep, Kristiansen, and Rep. Scott. I received a Joint Reply from two, which acknowledged the Issues, 2015 WSP Audit, and Tarabochia Case.
Most important; "Like you, we remain extremely concerned with the management of the enforcement division of WDFW but are unable to direct the hiring and firing decisions made by the WDFW since they are a non-legislative agency. The power to hire and fire remains exclusively with Director Jim Unsworth, who has failed to demonstrate that he is ready or able to take any effective action along with the WDFW Commission."
Post by: ucwarden on February 09, 2016, 05:16:31 AM
Sorry to offend some with my comments, not my intent. I will say that most of my years of interaction with WDFW Enforcement has been good. Only a couple of situations that seemed off.Would you be willing to post the entire response letter on here?
Anyway, I wrote to Sen. Pearson, Rep, Kristiansen, and Rep. Scott. I received a Joint Reply from two, which acknowledged the Issues, 2015 WSP Audit, and Tarabochia Case.
Most important; "Like you, we remain extremely concerned with the management of the enforcement division of WDFW but are unable to direct the hiring and firing decisions made by the WDFW since they are a non-legislative agency. The power to hire and fire remains exclusively with Director Jim Unsworth, who has failed to demonstrate that he is ready or able to take any effective action along with the WDFW Commission."
Post by: Gringo31 on February 09, 2016, 03:47:13 PM
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remains exclusively with Director Jim Unsworth, who has failed to demonstrate that he is ready or able to take any effective action along with the WDFW Commission."
That's a mouthful...
Post by: ucwarden on February 09, 2016, 04:34:16 PM
Quoteremains exclusively with Director Jim Unsworth, who has failed to demonstrate that he is ready or able to take any effective action along with the WDFW Commission."
That's a mouthful...
It might be a mouthful, but it is right on the mark. Nobody, including the legislators I have spoken with, can understand why Unsworth doesn't do something....anything.
Post by: 2labs on February 09, 2016, 04:38:34 PM
Post by: ucwarden on February 09, 2016, 04:54:02 PM
Come to Washington, be a good boy, sit on your hands! Don't piss off the three county's and retire! :tup:
I suppose
Post by: Man Tracker on February 09, 2016, 09:43:09 PM
Post by: ucwarden on February 10, 2016, 05:55:20 AM
Have those of you who have written to DFW Commissioner's received any response? If yes, what have they said?
Good question. I personally have only received the rubber stamp email from the commission secretary confirming they received my emails.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 10, 2016, 07:17:26 AM
Have those of you who have written to DFW Commissioner's received any response? If yes, what have they said?
Good question. I personally have only received the rubber stamp email from the commission secretary confirming they received my emails.
Same here and no response at all from Unsworth. I see very little change in his first year accept to throw a few bones on hunting seasons to keep the masses subdued. I was hoping that the change of the guard would show more sweeping reforms. Same story, different guy. :bash:
Post by: ucwarden on February 10, 2016, 07:22:33 AM
Have those of you who have written to DFW Commissioner's received any response? If yes, what have they said?
Good question. I personally have only received the rubber stamp email from the commission secretary confirming they received my emails.
Same here and no response at all from Unsworth. I see very little change in his first year accept to throw a few bones on hunting seasons to keep the masses subdued. I was hoping that the change of the guard would show more sweeping reforms. Same story, different guy. :bash:
Okay, so Unsworth has decided to just ignore the many problems, bury his head in the sand, and wait for it all to blow over? But I can't understand why the commission, and/or the governor don't get him moving on or moving out.
I guess this is just another glaring example of how poorly our state government works these days.
Post by: Henrydog on February 10, 2016, 07:22:57 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 10, 2016, 07:50:53 AM
Have those of you who have written to DFW Commissioner's received any response? If yes, what have they said?
Good question. I personally have only received the rubber stamp email from the commission secretary confirming they received my emails.
Same here and no response at all from Unsworth. I see very little change in his first year accept to throw a few bones on hunting seasons to keep the masses subdued. I was hoping that the change of the guard would show more sweeping reforms. Same story, different guy. :bash:
Okay, so Unsworth has decided to just ignore the many problems, bury his head in the sand, and wait for it all to blow over? But I can't understand why the commission, and/or the governor don't get him moving on or moving out.
I guess this is just another glaring example of how poorly our state government works these days.
Because he's toeing the line on the wolf plan and supporting animal rights groups' strength within the department. Plain and simple, he's keeping our liberal, non-hunting, animal rights lovin' governor placated.
Post by: Gamblin Guy on February 10, 2016, 08:01:34 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on February 10, 2016, 08:34:35 AM
Just another example of a poorly managed agency with a director appointed by the gov....DOT....Corrections....DSHS.....
Appointed by the Commission. Not that that is an improvement mind you.
Post by: Gamblin Guy on February 10, 2016, 09:35:56 AM
Just another example of a poorly managed agency with a director appointed by the gov....DOT....Corrections....DSHS.....
Appointed by the Commission. Not that that is an improvement mind you.
Agreed....Commission appointed by the Gov......
Post by: ucwarden on February 10, 2016, 01:32:12 PM
Just another example of a poorly managed agency with a director appointed by the gov....DOT....Corrections....DSHS.....
What makes this different is that the guys at the center of this are all law enforcement officers in-charge of many more law enforcement officers. I have always believed that those in law enforcement should be held to a higher standard, but these guys aren't being held accountable at all.
Post by: Vine Maples and Cottonwoo on February 10, 2016, 06:34:55 PM
http://tomremington.com/2015/03/27/...oners-inherited-is-not-wildlife-conservation/
Particularly this portion at the end of the article-
There was no mention in the Permit of a plan being drafted. In fact a state wolf plan was not approved by the Idaho Legislature until 7-1/2 years later. Yet instead of admitting it violated Idaho law in its Timeline, IDFG blames the legislature and, by inference, the minority members of the Wolf Oversight Committee for the fact that it did not get to manage wolves sooner.
Even after Conley was forced to resign, given six months severance pay and hired as Director of the Missouri Conservation Dept., his co-conspirators in IDFG continued to sacrifice elk and deer to protect wolves and promote non-consumptive wildlife recreation. During the past nine years 11 IDFG Department heads, including Ex-Deputy Director Jim Unsworth and Sharon Kiefer, have taken a special nine-month course including two weeks at the FWS MAT training center in Shepherdstown W. Va.
They are now part of an elite national team of NCLI Fellows you will read about in The Outdoorsman.
It may well be that he is a plant, whose bosses are somewhere other than Olympia, who is here to facilitate an agenda. Who knows.
Post by: idahohuntr on February 10, 2016, 08:16:59 PM
This may explain a few things. Found this in an article on the Idaho Wolf Issue:I wouldn't put any faith in any garbage printed by Floridian Tom Remington...the guy is clueless.
http://tomremington.com/2015/03/27/...oners-inherited-is-not-wildlife-conservation/
Particularly this portion at the end of the article-
There was no mention in the Permit of a plan being drafted. In fact a state wolf plan was not approved by the Idaho Legislature until 7-1/2 years later. Yet instead of admitting it violated Idaho law in its Timeline, IDFG blames the legislature and, by inference, the minority members of the Wolf Oversight Committee for the fact that it did not get to manage wolves sooner.
Even after Conley was forced to resign, given six months severance pay and hired as Director of the Missouri Conservation Dept., his co-conspirators in IDFG continued to sacrifice elk and deer to protect wolves and promote non-consumptive wildlife recreation. During the past nine years 11 IDFG Department heads, including Ex-Deputy Director Jim Unsworth and Sharon Kiefer, have taken a special nine-month course including two weeks at the FWS MAT training center in Shepherdstown W. Va.
They are now part of an elite national team of NCLI Fellows you will read about in The Outdoorsman.
It may well be that he is a plant, whose bosses are somewhere other than Olympia, who is here to facilitate an agenda. Who knows.
Unsworth is not a plant and there is no conspiracy...maybe politics...and maybe unknowns. I too am disappointed he has not fired some officers from wdfw.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 11, 2016, 04:48:08 AM
Which make YOU and those like minded make the BEST enforcement officers in my opinion.Just another example of a poorly managed agency with a director appointed by the gov....DOT....Corrections....DSHS.....
What makes this different is that the guys at the center of this are all law enforcement officers in-charge of many more law enforcement officers. I have always believed that those in law enforcement should be held to a higher standard, but these guys aren't being held accountable at all.
Post by: ucwarden on February 11, 2016, 06:20:50 AM
This may explain a few things. Found this in an article on the Idaho Wolf Issue:
http://tomremington.com/2015/03/27/...oners-inherited-is-not-wildlife-conservation/
Particularly this portion at the end of the article-
There was no mention in the Permit of a plan being drafted. In fact a state wolf plan was not approved by the Idaho Legislature until 7-1/2 years later. Yet instead of admitting it violated Idaho law in its Timeline, IDFG blames the legislature and, by inference, the minority members of the Wolf Oversight Committee for the fact that it did not get to manage wolves sooner.
Even after Conley was forced to resign, given six months severance pay and hired as Director of the Missouri Conservation Dept., his co-conspirators in IDFG continued to sacrifice elk and deer to protect wolves and promote non-consumptive wildlife recreation. During the past nine years 11 IDFG Department heads, including Ex-Deputy Director Jim Unsworth and Sharon Kiefer, have taken a special nine-month course including two weeks at the FWS MAT training center in Shepherdstown W. Va.
They are now part of an elite national team of NCLI Fellows you will read about in The Outdoorsman.
It may well be that he is a plant, whose bosses are somewhere other than Olympia, who is here to facilitate an agenda. Who knows.
One major thing wrong with this theory; nobody in state government can keep a secret.
No conspiracy here, just corruption, laziness, and incompetence
Post by: ucwarden on February 11, 2016, 06:23:37 AM
Which make YOU and those like minded make the BEST enforcement officers in my opinion.Just another example of a poorly managed agency with a director appointed by the gov....DOT....Corrections....DSHS.....
What makes this different is that the guys at the center of this are all law enforcement officers in-charge of many more law enforcement officers. I have always believed that those in law enforcement should be held to a higher standard, but these guys aren't being held accountable at all.
Thanks, but it's just common-sense. Who can anyone make a living, enforcing the rules, when they break the rules so freely themselves. It makes me sick. At a time when LE officers already have enough people criticizing their every steps, now we have inept and corrupt leadership with no accountability.
Post by: ucwarden on February 24, 2016, 04:24:00 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 24, 2016, 04:28:29 PM
A lot of new material has just been posted on www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com) I think everyone will be shocked by how bad it has gotten, yet there have been no changes made to the wdfw enforcement administration what-so-ever. Check the "Hot off the press" section.:bash: Maybe calling Jessie from the news isn't a bad idea? Have you tried other news outlets?
Post by: ucwarden on February 24, 2016, 04:36:12 PM
I am working with a couple of media folks right now, but they move almost as slowly as Director Unsworth.A lot of new material has just been posted on www.wdfwinvestigation.com (http://www.wdfwinvestigation.com) I think everyone will be shocked by how bad it has gotten, yet there have been no changes made to the wdfw enforcement administration what-so-ever. Check the "Hot off the press" section.:bash: Maybe calling Jessie from the news isn't a bad idea? Have you tried other news outlets?
Post by: bigtex on February 24, 2016, 04:38:42 PM
But maybe it's time to penalize WDFW until action is taken. Pearson is in charge of the Natural Resource Committee, he determines which bills get a hearing, get a committee vote and move on. Maybe it's time for him to essentially kill all WDFW related bills that come to his committee. Will it hurt WDFW, sportsman, and maybe even the resource? Sure, but that seems to be the only way to get something done.
Maybe Pearson just has to hold WDFW hostage by delaying their legislation and basically telling Unsworth that nothing will change legislatively until things change in the Enforcement Program. :twocents:
Post by: SnakeEyes on February 24, 2016, 05:15:56 PM
Post by: ucwarden on February 24, 2016, 07:41:15 PM
In the legislators email it mentioned how they really have no ability to fire Cenci, Crown, etc and it is all up to Unsworth and they have no authority over him. That's true.
But maybe it's time to penalize WDFW until action is taken. Pearson is in charge of the Natural Resource Committee, he determines which bills get a hearing, get a committee vote and move on. Maybe it's time for him to essentially kill all WDFW related bills that come to his committee. Will it hurt WDFW, sportsman, and maybe even the resource? Sure, but that seems to be the only way to get something done.
Maybe Pearson just has to hold WDFW hostage by delaying their legislation and basically telling Unsworth that nothing will change legislatively until things change in the Enforcement Program. :twocents:
I certainly would seem to be the only possible way to force the change, which absolutely must occur; for the good of the WDFW employees, the license buyers, and the natural resources.
Post by: ucwarden on February 24, 2016, 07:42:07 PM
I just sent Director Unsworth another e-mail. Thanks for the update.
Thanks. Please let us know if he even responds.
Post by: 2labs on February 24, 2016, 07:47:19 PM
Post by: ucwarden on February 25, 2016, 05:37:08 AM
Once a week, no response! Ever.
Wow, I thought I was the only one he could ignore that much. Have you tried the governor?
Post by: bearpaw on February 25, 2016, 07:09:51 AM
In the legislators email it mentioned how they really have no ability to fire Cenci, Crown, etc and it is all up to Unsworth and they have no authority over him. That's true.
But maybe it's time to penalize WDFW until action is taken. Pearson is in charge of the Natural Resource Committee, he determines which bills get a hearing, get a committee vote and move on. Maybe it's time for him to essentially kill all WDFW related bills that come to his committee. Will it hurt WDFW, sportsman, and maybe even the resource? Sure, but that seems to be the only way to get something done.
Maybe Pearson just has to hold WDFW hostage by delaying their legislation and basically telling Unsworth that nothing will change legislatively until things change in the Enforcement Program. :twocents:
I certainly would seem to be the only possible way to force the change, which absolutely must occur; for the good of the WDFW employees, the license buyers, and the natural resources.
It appears the commission or governor must want this issue to fade away. Remember, the Commission is appointed by the governor, Unsworth is appointed by the Commission, Unsworth has been told what the Commission and the Governor expect, he is doing his job. Tightening the purse strings may be the only way to possibly get action. Perhaps everyone who is writing letters should also start copying every letter and message that's been sent and will be sent in the future to Pearson who is the chair of Natural Resources in the Senate and Brian Blake who is the chair of the Natural Resources Committee in the House.
Post by: ucwarden on February 25, 2016, 07:22:57 AM
In the legislators email it mentioned how they really have no ability to fire Cenci, Crown, etc and it is all up to Unsworth and they have no authority over him. That's true.
But maybe it's time to penalize WDFW until action is taken. Pearson is in charge of the Natural Resource Committee, he determines which bills get a hearing, get a committee vote and move on. Maybe it's time for him to essentially kill all WDFW related bills that come to his committee. Will it hurt WDFW, sportsman, and maybe even the resource? Sure, but that seems to be the only way to get something done.
Maybe Pearson just has to hold WDFW hostage by delaying their legislation and basically telling Unsworth that nothing will change legislatively until things change in the Enforcement Program. :twocents:
I certainly would seem to be the only possible way to force the change, which absolutely must occur; for the good of the WDFW employees, the license buyers, and the natural resources.
It appears the commission or governor must want this issue to fade away. Remember, the Commission is appointed by the governor, Unsworth is appointed by the Commission, Unsworth has been told what the Commission and the Governor expect, he is doing his job. Tightening the purse strings may be the only way to possibly get action. Perhaps everyone who is writing letters should also start copying every letter and message that's been sent and will be sent in the future to Pearson who is the chair of Natural Resources in the Senate and Brian Blake who is the chair of the Natural Resources Committee in the House.
I totally agree, but please remember Senator Pearson is on our side (read the letter he wrote, on the wdfwinvestigation.com website).....he's one of the good guys. The more pressure the senate can put on WDFW to act, the better the odds that something might actually change.
So please follow Bearpaw's advice and send those letters/emails on to Senator Pearson and Representative Blake.
Senator Pearson- kirk.pearson@leg.wa.gov
Representative Blake- brian.blake@leg.wa.gov
Post by: growler on May 08, 2016, 08:57:25 PM
Post by: ucwarden on May 08, 2016, 09:00:30 PM
Chief Crown is one of three finalists for the Wenatchee Police Chief vacancy....
I wish him luck in that, and certainly hope he gets it.
Post by: csaaphill on May 09, 2016, 02:03:37 AM
Post by: Skyhigh on May 12, 2016, 09:38:17 PM
Post by: Tbar on May 12, 2016, 10:43:41 PM
He got it:dunno: so will Cenci or Hobbs be acting chief? And for how long?
Post by: ucwarden on May 13, 2016, 05:44:58 AM
If Unsworth has even an ounce of brain, he will not pick either of the two deputy chiefs to take over (even in an acting role).He got it:dunno: so will Cenci or Hobbs be acting chief? And for how long?
Now is the best opportunity Unsworth has had, to correct years of wrong, and start clean with a new chief and a new deputy chief, not just recycling the same problem children.
Post by: huntnphool on May 13, 2016, 05:51:14 AM
If Unsworth has even an ounce of brain, Now is the best opportunityHe got it:dunno: so will Cenci or Hobbs be acting chief? And for how long?
Tagging for results
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2016, 07:23:18 AM
Post by: bigtex on May 13, 2016, 07:57:10 AM
You cant really even get a general consensus from current or retired WDFW Officers what the 'profile' of a Chief should be. One of the letters on Todd's site is from retired WDFW Officer Mike Krenz who was never really a supporter of general (full) law enforcement authority for WDFW Officers. Yet he suggested that State Representative Chris Hurst would be a good choice for the WDFW LE Chief. Hurst is an outdoorsman but his background is being a police officer for Black Diamond. Not exactly a large agency or one that does natural resource law enforcement.
Some will say all you need is a proven people leader. Others will say you want a proven people leader who has been a game warden. You can ask 15 different WDFW Officers and get 15 different responses.
Post by: WSU on May 13, 2016, 08:06:09 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on May 13, 2016, 08:44:43 AM
The interesting questions to be asked is what will Unsworth look for in a new Chief? Proven LE leader? Proven natural resource LE leader? From inside WA? Outside WA?No disrespect - but I don't care what current or retired WDFW officers think a profile should be or what they want in a Chief. These guys work largely for the Sportsmen - who pay their bills - and I think many have forgotten that. The question that really matters - what do Sportsmen want in a new LE Chief. I hope Unsworth reaches outside WDFW to bring in a new chief...and at minimum considers the voluminous feedback from sportsmen in the state on this matter and/or conducts additional outreach in identifying general qualities or even specific individuals for the position.
You cant really even get a general consensus from current or retired WDFW Officers what the 'profile' of a Chief should be. One of the letters on Todd's site is from retired WDFW Officer Mike Krenz who was never really a supporter of general (full) law enforcement authority for WDFW Officers. Yet he suggested that State Representative Chris Hurst would be a good choice for the WDFW LE Chief. Hurst is an outdoorsman but his background is being a police officer for Black Diamond. Not exactly a large agency or one that does natural resource law enforcement.
Some will say all you need is a proven people leader. Others will say you want a proven people leader who has been a game warden. You can ask 15 different WDFW Officers and get 15 different responses.
Post by: bigtex on May 13, 2016, 08:50:36 AM
Considering that nearly every WDFW Officer hunts and/or fishes I would think they know what sportsmen want. A lot of officers have complained about having to work the non-resource activities, well most outdoorsmen also agree with them. Most officers decide to work for WDFW because they are sportsmen. If they simply wanted to be in LE there are lots of agencies in WA who pay a lot more. :twocents:The interesting questions to be asked is what will Unsworth look for in a new Chief? Proven LE leader? Proven natural resource LE leader? From inside WA? Outside WA?No disrespect - but I don't care what current or retired WDFW officers think a profile should be or what they want in a Chief. These guys work largely for the Sportsmen - who pay their bills - and I think many have forgotten that. The question that really matters - what do Sportsmen want in a new LE Chief. I hope Unsworth reaches outside WDFW to bring in a new chief...and at minimum considers the voluminous feedback from sportsmen in the state on this matter and/or conducts additional outreach in identifying general qualities or even specific individuals for the position.
You cant really even get a general consensus from current or retired WDFW Officers what the 'profile' of a Chief should be. One of the letters on Todd's site is from retired WDFW Officer Mike Krenz who was never really a supporter of general (full) law enforcement authority for WDFW Officers. Yet he suggested that State Representative Chris Hurst would be a good choice for the WDFW LE Chief. Hurst is an outdoorsman but his background is being a police officer for Black Diamond. Not exactly a large agency or one that does natural resource law enforcement.
Some will say all you need is a proven people leader. Others will say you want a proven people leader who has been a game warden. You can ask 15 different WDFW Officers and get 15 different responses.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 13, 2016, 08:53:07 AM
Post by: bigtex on May 13, 2016, 08:56:39 AM
If the folks working in the field had some input, management wouldn't been in the hot water they're in now.:yeah:
The Region 3 Captain (which for LE oversees Kittitas, Yakima, Benton, Franklin & Walla Walla Counties) position is currently being advertised. It'll be interesting to see who makes that hiring decision. It'll be months before a new Chief is hired and I doubt that WDFW would wait that long to fill the Captains position. So will Hobbs and Cenci make the choice?? We'll have to wait and see.
Post by: bigtex on May 13, 2016, 08:57:53 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2016, 09:00:23 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2016, 09:01:37 AM
TODD VANDIVERT FOR CHIEF :chuckle:YES 200% yes! And Bigtex as his second in command!
Post by: Gringo31 on May 13, 2016, 01:18:13 PM
Interesting indeed....
Post by: buckfvr on May 13, 2016, 02:15:57 PM
I've written to Director Unsworth regarding this. He has an opportunity to make a positive impact on the WDFW in several areas. Canning those top three stooges is one which could help change the entire department.
They and their boot licking disciples need to be sent packing........it amounts to a lot of guys who went along with a rotten program, knowing full well it was wrong, but none the less kept their mouths shut and proceeded on with the total bs program AND STILL DO !!!!! Muckem all out.
Post by: Wacenturion on May 13, 2016, 03:56:47 PM
If the folks working in the field had some input, management wouldn't been in the hot water they're in now.:yeah:
The Region 3 Captain (which for LE oversees Kittitas, Yakima, Benton, Franklin & Walla Walla Counties) position is currently being advertised. It'll be interesting to see who makes that hiring decision. It'll be months before a new Chief is hired and I doubt that WDFW would wait that long to fill the Captains position. So will Hobbs and Cenci make the choice?? We'll have to wait and see.
What happened to the current Region 3 captain....retire?
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 13, 2016, 06:57:32 PM
If the folks working in the field had some input, management wouldn't been in the hot water they're in now.:yeah:
The Region 3 Captain (which for LE oversees Kittitas, Yakima, Benton, Franklin & Walla Walla Counties) position is currently being advertised. It'll be interesting to see who makes that hiring decision. It'll be months before a new Chief is hired and I doubt that WDFW would wait that long to fill the Captains position. So will Hobbs and Cenci make the choice?? We'll have to wait and see.
What happened to the current Region 3 captain....retire?
I have a REAL PROBLEM with region 3 enforcement :bash: :....soon to be attorney level!!!
Post by: Skyhigh on May 15, 2016, 03:03:51 PM
Post by: Gopher on May 15, 2016, 07:04:40 PM
Post by: Hunter4Life on May 16, 2016, 09:23:40 PM
In the legislators email it mentioned how they really have no ability to fire Cenci, Crown, etc and it is all up to Unsworth and they have no authority over him. That's true.
But maybe it's time to penalize WDFW until action is taken. Pearson is in charge of the Natural Resource Committee, he determines which bills get a hearing, get a committee vote and move on. Maybe it's time for him to essentially kill all WDFW related bills that come to his committee. Will it hurt WDFW, sportsman, and maybe even the resource? Sure, but that seems to be the only way to get something done.
Maybe Pearson just has to hold WDFW hostage by delaying their legislation and basically telling Unsworth that nothing will change legislatively until things change in the Enforcement Program. :twocents:
I certainly would seem to be the only possible way to force the change, which absolutely must occur; for the good of the WDFW employees, the license buyers, and the natural resources.
It appears the commission or governor must want this issue to fade away. Remember, the Commission is appointed by the governor, Unsworth is appointed by the Commission, Unsworth has been told what the Commission and the Governor expect, he is doing his job. Tightening the purse strings may be the only way to possibly get action. Perhaps everyone who is writing letters should also start copying every letter and message that's been sent and will be sent in the future to Pearson who is the chair of Natural Resources in the Senate and Brian Blake who is the chair of the Natural Resources Committee in the House.
Bearpaw is 100% correct. Pearson and Blake are our friends. They are great supporters of the hunting community. There is tremendous power in the purse. Your messages have added power since this is an election year.
Post by: bigtex on May 19, 2016, 05:57:47 PM
Anderson is a friend and supporter of Cenci, one of very few on the eastside. Losing Anderson would be a blow to Cenci, especially on the eastside.
Post by: Wacenturion on May 19, 2016, 06:18:20 PM
"What happened to the current Region 3 captain....retire?"
Post by: bigtex on May 19, 2016, 06:34:21 PM
As I asked earlier............anyone?In the process of. That'll be the first Captains job that's been open to outside agency applicants in a very long time.
"What happened to the current Region 3 captain....retire?"
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Post by: Man Tracker on May 19, 2016, 07:16:23 PM
Post by: Gopher on May 19, 2016, 09:13:36 PM
Post by: Gamblin Guy on May 19, 2016, 10:09:44 PM
So far two applicants for the Region 3 (Yakima) DFW Captain position. Both are current DFW Sergeants.
Do we know who they are?
Post by: Gamblin Guy on May 19, 2016, 10:12:39 PM
Region 2 Captain Chris Anderson is one of four final candidates for the Moses Lake PD Chief's job.
Anderson is a friend and supporter of Cenci, one of very few on the eastside. Losing Anderson would be a blow to Cenci, especially on the eastside.
Anderson is worthless, had a run in with one of his Sgt's last winter during a goose hunt with my kids......kinda feel sorry for the MLPD guys if he gets it but would be good to get rid of more dead weight....
Post by: Man Tracker on May 23, 2016, 07:33:02 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 23, 2016, 08:19:51 PM
Captain Chris Anderson has been appointed the interim Enforcement Chief for DFW by Director Unsworth. The search for a permanent Chief will begin soon (or already has). Please consider emailing the Director with the qualities you think the next Chief should possess.
Somebody get fired, what did I miss? :dunno:
Post by: Skyhigh on May 23, 2016, 08:49:21 PM
Post by: ucwarden on May 24, 2016, 11:58:01 AM
Region 2 Captain Chris Anderson is one of four final candidates for the Moses Lake PD Chief's job.
Anderson is a friend and supporter of Cenci, one of very few on the eastside. Losing Anderson would be a blow to Cenci, especially on the eastside.
Looks like Cenci is not losing Anderson, as he (Anderson) is going to be the interim chief. A big sigh of relief for Cenci.....his protection is still intact.
Post by: ucwarden on May 24, 2016, 12:02:25 PM
TODD VANDIVERT FOR CHIEF :chuckle:
Thanks BigTex, I would only need to be in office one day, then I could turn the reigns over to anyone else...............after I cleaned house.
Post by: ucwarden on May 25, 2016, 09:52:39 AM
I think it's time for the Director to step in and have the good old boy's club membership come to a screeching halt.
I agree, but I don't think it's ever going to happen. Unsworth doesn't seem to be much interested in making things right within enforcement, likely a result of a couple of commissioners who are major Cenci supporters.
Post by: bigtex on July 31, 2016, 06:42:17 PM
Post by: ucwarden on July 31, 2016, 08:33:24 PM
Bob Weaver is the new Region 3 (Yakima) Captain. He most recently served as the Sergeant for Lewis and Cowlitz Counties. Prior to that nearly all of his time was as a field officer in Whitman County.
Should be a big improvement.....he's a good guy from what I understand.
Post by: jjhunter on July 31, 2016, 08:53:38 PM
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on July 31, 2016, 08:56:34 PM
Bob Weaver is the new Region 3 (Yakima) Captain. He most recently served as the Sergeant for Lewis and Cowlitz Counties. Prior to that nearly all of his time was as a field officer in Whitman County.
Off topic.
I haven't heard that name in awhile, but it reminded me of a funny story he told me when he worked out of Lake Chelan. With Bob's east coast accent, I heard he had a mix-up with WSP communications one day as a young officer on the peninsula some 15 plus years ago. I guess earlier in the day a complaint had came in and was broadcast to local wildlife patrols that there was a sea-lion problem on a private beach. Sometime later, Bob, with his east coast accent, advised communications that he would "...be out on the C line." Well, the story goes they went back and forth on the radio... WSP, "verify you're out with the sea-lion?" Bob, "No, I'm out on the C line!" WSP, "Right, with the sea-lion". Bob "NO, the A, B, C LINE!"
Post by: bigtex on July 31, 2016, 09:02:29 PM
That's a good one. If I remember correctly he's from North Carolina, and I think he was a game warden out there too before he came to WDFW around 2000. He does have a good ol boy southern type accent.Bob Weaver is the new Region 3 (Yakima) Captain. He most recently served as the Sergeant for Lewis and Cowlitz Counties. Prior to that nearly all of his time was as a field officer in Whitman County.Off topic.
I haven't heard that name in awhile, but it reminded me of a funny story he told me when he worked out of Lake Chelan. With Bob's east coast accent, I heard he had a mix-up with WSP communications one day as a young officer on the peninsula some 15 plus years ago. I guess earlier in the day a complaint had came in and was broadcast to local wildlife patrols that there was a sea-lion problem on a private beach. Sometime later, Bob, with his east coast accent, advised communications that he would "...be out on the C line." Well, the story goes they went back and forth on the radio... WSP, "verify you're out with the sea-lion?" Bob, "No, I'm out on the C line!" WSP, "Right, with the sea-lion". Bob "NO, the A, B, C LINE!"
Post by: bigtex on July 31, 2016, 09:03:06 PM
Any new drama/news in enforcement Todd?Bob Weaver is the new Region 3 (Yakima) Captain. He most recently served as the Sergeant for Lewis and Cowlitz Counties. Prior to that nearly all of his time was as a field officer in Whitman County.Should be a big improvement.....he's a good guy from what I understand.
Post by: csaaphill on July 31, 2016, 09:33:08 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on July 31, 2016, 10:13:36 PM
Post by: ucwarden on August 01, 2016, 06:01:09 AM
Any new drama/news in enforcement Todd?Bob Weaver is the new Region 3 (Yakima) Captain. He most recently served as the Sergeant for Lewis and Cowlitz Counties. Prior to that nearly all of his time was as a field officer in Whitman County.Should be a big improvement.....he's a good guy from what I understand.
Plenty, but mostly we are all just waiting to see who the next chief is. That selection will have an enormous impact on the officers. I sincerely hope that this time they pick someone who can repair the damage to the program (instead of making it worse), make some personnel changes, and get things back on-track. There is a lot of work to do, and a great deal of animosity to quash. Enforcement is about as divided and dysfunctional as possible now, but with a leader who doesn't lie to the officers and play favorites, things would improve quickly.
Post by: trophyhunt on August 01, 2016, 06:16:51 AM
Post by: ucwarden on August 01, 2016, 06:21:15 AM
Todd, do you know when they will make a decision? Thanks
I believe it was kept open until July 31st, which would mean they would begin the selection process now. I have no idea how long the process will take now. A month?
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 01, 2016, 06:30:57 AM
Bob Weaver is the new Region 3 (Yakima) Captain. He most recently served as the Sergeant for Lewis and Cowlitz Counties. Prior to that nearly all of his time was as a field officer in Whitman County.Bob was also a field officer in Chelan County, based in Chelan.
Post by: BNAElkhntr on August 01, 2016, 06:54:33 AM
As I asked earlier............anyone?
"What happened to the current Region 3 captain....retire?"
Capt. Mann Retired Last Month
Post by: ucwarden on August 05, 2016, 08:23:30 PM
http://www.thereelnews.com/fish-for-fun.html (http://www.thereelnews.com/fish-for-fun.html)
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Post by: pianoman9701 on August 06, 2016, 09:59:23 AM
I do find it interesting that one of the deputy chiefs of the WDFW enforcement program (AKA- the F&W POLICE) used an outdoors magazine to slam his own subordinates. If one of the officers had done so, I am certain they would be facing discipline.....unless it was a marine officer.
I'm so disappointed that director Unsworth hasn't addressed the lack of leadership and accountability in the enforcement program. I thought with the change at the helm, we might see some improvement. Obviously to everyone following, that's not the case. This article very clearly shows the reader that Cenci is not only a poor team member (in his comments publicly denouncing subordinates), but as a leader, he's either a sociopath or narcissist, completely incapable of seeing his own contributions to the failures of the enforcement division. How incredibly revealing and discouraging.
Post by: Tbar on August 06, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
Post by: bigtex on August 06, 2016, 10:29:06 AM
I do find it interesting that one of the deputy chiefs of the WDFW enforcement program (AKA- the F&W POLICE) used an outdoors magazine to slam his own subordinates. If one of the officers had done so, I am certain they would be facing discipline.....unless it was a marine officer.He knows where his followers/supporters are. The fishing groups in this state love Cenci so when he needs support he knows where to go.
Post by: ucwarden on August 06, 2016, 11:05:48 AM
I do find it interesting that one of the deputy chiefs of the WDFW enforcement program (AKA- the F&W POLICE) used an outdoors magazine to slam his own subordinates. If one of the officers had done so, I am certain they would be facing discipline.....unless it was a marine officer.
I'm so disappointed that director Unsworth hasn't addressed the lack of leadership and accountability in the enforcement program. I thought with the change at the helm, we might see some improvement. Obviously to everyone following, that's not the case. This article very clearly shows the reader that Cenci is not only a poor team member (in his comments publicly denouncing subordinates), but as a leader, he's either a sociopath or narcissist, completely incapable of seeing his own contributions to the failures of the enforcement division. How incredibly revealing and discouraging.
Funny because Cenci, and a bunch of his best admin buddies, have attended the National Association of Conservation Law Enforcement Chiefs- "Leadership Academy" in West Virginia. The tuition was $3,000 each, plus travel (two separate trips back east for each administrator sent), so it likely cost in the neighborhood of $4,500-$5,000 to send each of these guys to leadership training.
Apparently Cenci didn't take anything away from the training (maybe because he can't stop talking about himself long enough to hear from others). I am not sure in which segment of the leadership academy they covered not publicly slamming your own officers, or putting down the work your employees do (i.e.- "nobody gives a s@#* about deer and elk"), but Cenci must have been paying about as much attention then as he was at the supervisor training/meeting in the attached photo.
Post by: ucwarden on August 06, 2016, 11:11:34 AM
Tarabochia= 27 charges 0 convictions. 1 civil rights violation. A model of efficiency. :dunno:
Remember; as Cenci said in the Seattle Times (when discussing the Tarabochia case)- "Just because a person wasn't convicted doesn't mean he didn't do it."
All along I thought that was exactly what being exonerated of charges meant. I learn something everyday.
Post by: ucwarden on August 06, 2016, 11:14:35 AM
I do find it interesting that one of the deputy chiefs of the WDFW enforcement program (AKA- the F&W POLICE) used an outdoors magazine to slam his own subordinates. If one of the officers had done so, I am certain they would be facing discipline.....unless it was a marine officer.He knows where his followers/supporters are. The fishing groups in this state love Cenci so when he needs support he knows where to go.
Yep, but I can't believe any sportsmen (fishermen or hunters) support him, when he so publicly displays his prejudice towards wildlife enforcement. I am no longer a saltwater fisherman (living in Spokane), but I still support the west-side fishermen whenever I can.
Post by: Gringo31 on August 09, 2016, 08:34:53 AM
We really have no say. The guy that does, turns a dead ear to us
Post by: ucwarden on August 09, 2016, 12:33:42 PM
The problem is that it has nothing to do with if we support him or not.....
We really have no say. The guy that does, turns a dead ear to us
You are correct. I have often wondered if Unsworth even has a pulse, he moves so slowly.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 09, 2016, 01:07:30 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 09, 2016, 01:09:16 PM
Post by: ucwarden on August 09, 2016, 01:13:55 PM
Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.
I have to disagree. Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly. He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did. Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that. So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!
Post by: Rainier10 on August 09, 2016, 02:02:08 PM
Who took his place?As I asked earlier............anyone?
"What happened to the current Region 3 captain....retire?"
Capt. Mann Retired Last Month
Post by: ucwarden on August 09, 2016, 04:33:24 PM
Who took his place?As I asked earlier............anyone?
"What happened to the current Region 3 captain....retire?"
Capt. Mann Retired Last Month
The new Captain for Region 3 is Bob Weaver, a huge improvement for the region I would think.
Post by: ucwarden on August 31, 2016, 08:39:24 AM
Post by: bearpaw on August 31, 2016, 08:45:58 AM
Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.
I have to disagree. Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly. He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did. Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that. So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!
I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. :twocents:
Post by: Gringo31 on August 31, 2016, 08:51:21 AM
At the same time, when you are new and in charge, you often get to get away with bigger changes early.......
Post by: ucwarden on August 31, 2016, 08:54:40 AM
Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.
I have to disagree. Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly. He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did. Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that. So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!
I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. :twocents:
I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse. The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.
Post by: bearpaw on August 31, 2016, 09:00:35 AM
Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.
I have to disagree. Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly. He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did. Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that. So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!
I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. :twocents:
I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse. The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.
That's unfortunate, I sure hate to see the good guys harassed and quiting. :(
Post by: Wacenturion on August 31, 2016, 09:14:19 AM
But...
At the same time, when you are new and in charge, you often get to get away with bigger changes early.......
Exactly.....you bring your own game to the table. That's is what apparently impressed the commission enough to hire you. Or it could be the reverse.....expressed the same old, same old, don't rock the boat type interview which made the commission feel comfortable. Either way, another dud at this point....JMO.
Post by: ucwarden on August 31, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
But...
At the same time, when you are new and in charge, you often get to get away with bigger changes early.......
Exactly.....you bring your own game to the table. That's is what apparently impressed the commission enough to hire you. Or it could be the reverse.....expressed the same old, same old, don't rock the boat type interview which made the commission feel comfortable. Either way, another dud at this point....JMO.
I can't figure out what is going on. Why bother with the full WA State Patrol investigation, if they are just going to ignore the findings and keep things status quo?
Post by: Wacenturion on August 31, 2016, 05:43:32 PM
But...
At the same time, when you are new and in charge, you often get to get away with bigger changes early.......
Exactly.....you bring your own game to the table. That's is what apparently impressed the commission enough to hire you. Or it could be the reverse.....expressed the same old, same old, don't rock the boat type interview which made the commission feel comfortable. Either way, another dud at this point....JMO.
I can't figure out what is going on. Why bother with the full WA State Patrol investigation, if they are just going to ignore the findings and keep things status quo?
Maybe to put on the appearance of doing something then not having enough grounds to proceed with any action....sound familiar....i.e FBI.....Hillary.... :chuckle:
Post by: bigtex on August 31, 2016, 07:23:11 PM
Bigtex: Since you seem to have the inside line on all things WDFW; in your opinion is there any chance Director Unsworth will actually make a decision on the enforcement chief within the next year? Crown left in mid-June (I think) and was "temporarily" replaced by Cenci supporter Chris Anderson, who is still acting chief. Nothing will ever improve without a different chief, and it certainly won't improve with the personnel they have in-place at present. So, do you see any hope of WDFW getting a permanent chief who is ethical and moral, or are the officers of WDFW facing more of the same for the foreseeable future?Sure doesn't seem like it!
Not sure what the problem is. Lack of qualified applicants? More pressing issues? Just simply slow on pulling the trigger?
The job opened May 25th (applicants can still apply). First screening began to occur July 10th. A month and a half later and still nothing....I've seen big city PD Chief jobs get filled quicker than this. I wouldn't expect there to be a ton of applicants simply because it's not your typical law enforcement agency. But it taking this long is odd.
Post by: bigtex on August 31, 2016, 07:29:28 PM
I agree with Todd. The longer it takes the worse it will get. Swift action needs to be taken. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"? He stepped into a job where big decisions need to be taken from day 1, and in terms of the Enforcement Program he has proven to show he cant make a single decision at all.I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse. The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. :twocents:Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.I have to disagree. Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly. He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did. Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that. So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!
Post by: Bango skank on August 31, 2016, 07:41:09 PM
I agree with Todd. The longer it takes the worse it will get. Swift action needs to be taken. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"? He stepped into a job where big decisions need to be taken from day 1, and in terms of the Enforcement Program he has proven to show he cant make a single decision at all.I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse. The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. :twocents:Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.I have to disagree. Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly. He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did. Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that. So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!
Well said
Post by: Odell on August 31, 2016, 07:53:56 PM
Post by: ucwarden on August 31, 2016, 08:08:53 PM
I agree with Todd. The longer it takes the worse it will get. Swift action needs to be taken. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"? He stepped into a job where big decisions need to be taken from day 1, and in terms of the Enforcement Program he has proven to show he cant make a single decision at all.I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse. The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. :twocents:Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.I have to disagree. Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly. He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did. Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that. So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!
It will sure be interesting to see if Anderson really leaves the "acting chief" position in mid-September, or if he will decide to stick around and fill the job permanently without any real screening process, which has been done there before. Then we have the same problem all over again.
Post by: huntnphool on August 31, 2016, 08:18:27 PM
. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"?I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse. The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. :twocents:Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.I have to disagree. Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly. He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did. Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that. So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!
It's been 7.5 years for Obama. :dunno:
Post by: bigtex on August 31, 2016, 08:20:25 PM
At this point I think the best we can hope for is a new Governor. Get everyone you know to vote for Bill BryantI really don't even know how much that would help. WDFW isn't a cabinet level department which lessens the amount of oversight the Governor has. As an example the Governor can fire any of his 25 or so cabinet level agency directors, he cant really do that to the agency directors who report to commissions (at least not as easily) such as WDFW, Parks, or the Liquor Board. Those agency directors report to a commission who is appointed by the Governor.
If we want to put pressure on people other than Unsworth it should be the WDFW Commission.
Post by: bigtex on August 31, 2016, 08:22:08 PM
I wonder the same. I can see it now..."Chris Anderson named Chief after leading Enforcement Program in interim role for past 4 months"It will sure be interesting to see if Anderson really leaves the "acting chief" position in mid-September, or if he will decide to stick around and fill the job permanently without any real screening process, which has been done there before. Then we have the same problem all over again.I agree with Todd. The longer it takes the worse it will get. Swift action needs to be taken. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"? He stepped into a job where big decisions need to be taken from day 1, and in terms of the Enforcement Program he has proven to show he cant make a single decision at all.I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse. The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. :twocents:Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.I have to disagree. Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly. He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did. Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that. So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!
Post by: ucwarden on August 31, 2016, 08:27:25 PM
I wonder the same. I can see it now..."Chris Anderson named Chief after leading Enforcement Program in interim role for past 4 months"It will sure be interesting to see if Anderson really leaves the "acting chief" position in mid-September, or if he will decide to stick around and fill the job permanently without any real screening process, which has been done there before. Then we have the same problem all over again.I agree with Todd. The longer it takes the worse it will get. Swift action needs to be taken. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"? He stepped into a job where big decisions need to be taken from day 1, and in terms of the Enforcement Program he has proven to show he cant make a single decision at all.I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse. The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. :twocents:Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.I have to disagree. Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly. He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did. Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that. So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!
Kinda like when Cenci demoted to captain, then promoted back to deputy chief without even interviewing, or when they did a "nation-wide search" for chief and found the very best candidate in the whole world was in the office right next door to Cenci and Bjork?
Post by: bigtex on August 31, 2016, 08:36:28 PM
Yup. Apparently Crown can become Chief after only really supervising Myers in a role he created in Olympia. Crown needed help as Training Lt, yet nobody before or since him needed it. Then Myers gets the Region 4 Captain job after never supervising anyone.Kinda like when Cenci demoted to captain, then promoted back to deputy chief without even interviewing, or when they did a "nation-wide search" for chief and found the very best candidate in the whole world was in the office right next door to Cenci and Bjork?I wonder the same. I can see it now..."Chris Anderson named Chief after leading Enforcement Program in interim role for past 4 months"It will sure be interesting to see if Anderson really leaves the "acting chief" position in mid-September, or if he will decide to stick around and fill the job permanently without any real screening process, which has been done there before. Then we have the same problem all over again.I agree with Todd. The longer it takes the worse it will get. Swift action needs to be taken. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"? He stepped into a job where big decisions need to be taken from day 1, and in terms of the Enforcement Program he has proven to show he cant make a single decision at all.I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse. The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. :twocents:Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.I have to disagree. Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly. He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did. Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that. So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!
Apparently if you want to promote/supervise higher up in WDFW you shouldn't work your way up, just apply for the top jobs and you'll get it....
Post by: ucwarden on September 08, 2016, 04:00:17 PM
Post by: bigtex on September 08, 2016, 05:53:58 PM
The attached letter pretty well sums up the issues with WDFW enforcement.Pretty sad.
I am troubled by the fact that Olson continues to essentially be the poster boy (always on Rugged Justice, on the Enforcement website, on the recruitment page in the regs, etc.) for the enforcement program yet he is continuously in internal affairs related matters. I guess when your best buds with Cenci and the retired Chief is a family friend you can get away with anything...
Post by: ucwarden on September 08, 2016, 07:24:49 PM
The attached letter pretty well sums up the issues with WDFW enforcement.Pretty sad.
I am troubled by the fact that Olson continues to essentially be the poster boy (always on Rugged Justice, on the Enforcement website, on the recruitment page in the regs, etc.) for the enforcement program yet he is continuously in internal affairs related matters. I guess when your best buds with Cenci and the retired Chief is a family friend you can get away with anything...
It is really sad, but in the interest of being totally fair; just because you come under investigation, doesn't mean you actually did anything wrong. I know of several people who have recently been investigated, and I am convinced they did nothing improper.
Post by: bigtex on September 08, 2016, 07:46:25 PM
Completely agree. False accusations occur all the time. I've definitely noticed a trend (lieing) in the documents you've been posting about the Olson investigations. Erik's always made great cases and I'm sure everyone would agree on that but does that mean that admin should just turn their head on some of the negative things....It is really sad, but in the interest of being totally fair; just because you come under investigation, doesn't mean you actually did anything wrong. I know of several people who have recently been investigated, and I am convinced they did nothing improper.The attached letter pretty well sums up the issues with WDFW enforcement.Pretty sad.
I am troubled by the fact that Olson continues to essentially be the poster boy (always on Rugged Justice, on the Enforcement website, on the recruitment page in the regs, etc.) for the enforcement program yet he is continuously in internal affairs related matters. I guess when your best buds with Cenci and the retired Chief is a family friend you can get away with anything...
Post by: ucwarden on September 08, 2016, 07:51:02 PM
Completely agree. False accusations occur all the time. I've definitely noticed a trend (lieing) in the documents you've been posting about the Olson investigations. Erik's always made great cases and I'm sure everyone would agree on that but does that mean that admin should just turn their head on some of the negative things....It is really sad, but in the interest of being totally fair; just because you come under investigation, doesn't mean you actually did anything wrong. I know of several people who have recently been investigated, and I am convinced they did nothing improper.The attached letter pretty well sums up the issues with WDFW enforcement.Pretty sad.
I am troubled by the fact that Olson continues to essentially be the poster boy (always on Rugged Justice, on the Enforcement website, on the recruitment page in the regs, etc.) for the enforcement program yet he is continuously in internal affairs related matters. I guess when your best buds with Cenci and the retired Chief is a family friend you can get away with anything...
As always; you are spot on
Post by: ucwarden on September 16, 2016, 10:51:18 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on September 16, 2016, 11:04:36 AM
It's that simple
Post by: Special T on September 16, 2016, 11:06:08 AM
According to WDFW; in the 9 years that Cenci has been deputy chief, 13 WDFW officers resigned. In the 9 years immediately preceding Cenci's promotion to deputy chief, only one officer resigned. How can Unsworth allow this to continue?I'm quite sorry to say your hard work to bring this to light has fallen short of influencing the powers that be. I have written my State Rep several times on this issue, but it appears that as long as Jay Inslee is leading the state nothing will be done. At least you currently live on the opposite side of the state with its concentration of stupidity.
Post by: ucwarden on September 16, 2016, 11:09:36 AM
It appears it's not important to him....Apparently you are correct. Even his choice of "Acting Chief" (Anderson) assures Cenci still has a buddy at the helm.
It's that simple
Post by: ucwarden on September 16, 2016, 11:11:02 AM
According to WDFW; in the 9 years that Cenci has been deputy chief, 13 WDFW officers resigned. In the 9 years immediately preceding Cenci's promotion to deputy chief, only one officer resigned. How can Unsworth allow this to continue?I'm quite sorry to say your hard work to bring this to light has fallen short of influencing the powers that be. I have written my State Rep several times on this issue, but it appears that as long as Jay Inslee is leading the state nothing will be done. At least you currently live on the opposite side of the state with its concentration of stupidity.
You are right on the money.
Post by: Gringo31 on September 16, 2016, 04:02:19 PM
Keep squeeking :tup:
Post by: ucwarden on September 16, 2016, 09:21:13 PM
According to WDFW; in the 9 years that Cenci has been deputy chief, 13 WDFW officers resigned. In the 9 years immediately preceding Cenci's promotion to deputy chief, only one officer resigned. How can Unsworth allow this to continue?
Actually, as I was just reminded, it has been 15 officers who have resigned since Cenci has become deputy chief, as WDFW forgot to put Czebotar and Gaston on the list of those who have resigned.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 16, 2016, 10:50:29 PM
I used to know Jason. I hope he found a good job before leaving.According to WDFW; in the 9 years that Cenci has been deputy chief, 13 WDFW officers resigned. In the 9 years immediately preceding Cenci's promotion to deputy chief, only one officer resigned. How can Unsworth allow this to continue?
Actually, as I was just reminded, it has been 15 officers who have resigned since Cenci has become deputy chief, as WDFW forgot to put Czebotar and Gaston on the list of those who have resigned.
Post by: bigtex on September 19, 2016, 02:56:53 PM
He's working for a small PD in King County now.I used to know Jason. I hope he found a good job before leaving.According to WDFW; in the 9 years that Cenci has been deputy chief, 13 WDFW officers resigned. In the 9 years immediately preceding Cenci's promotion to deputy chief, only one officer resigned. How can Unsworth allow this to continue?Actually, as I was just reminded, it has been 15 officers who have resigned since Cenci has become deputy chief, as WDFW forgot to put Czebotar and Gaston on the list of those who have resigned.
Post by: bigtex on September 19, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
9 of those on the list were FWO 1s when they resigned. Any idea if they resigned in-lieu of termination for failing FTO?According to WDFW; in the 9 years that Cenci has been deputy chief, 13 WDFW officers resigned. In the 9 years immediately preceding Cenci's promotion to deputy chief, only one officer resigned. How can Unsworth allow this to continue?Actually, as I was just reminded, it has been 15 officers who have resigned since Cenci has become deputy chief, as WDFW forgot to put Czebotar and Gaston on the list of those who have resigned.
Post by: ucwarden on September 19, 2016, 04:33:20 PM
9 of those on the list were FWO 1s when they resigned. Any idea if they resigned in-lieu of termination for failing FTO?According to WDFW; in the 9 years that Cenci has been deputy chief, 13 WDFW officers resigned. In the 9 years immediately preceding Cenci's promotion to deputy chief, only one officer resigned. How can Unsworth allow this to continue?Actually, as I was just reminded, it has been 15 officers who have resigned since Cenci has become deputy chief, as WDFW forgot to put Czebotar and Gaston on the list of those who have resigned.
I don't know. I do know that at least one of them resigned before being fired, but other than that, I'm not sure.
Post by: bigtex on September 19, 2016, 04:52:28 PM
Anything new on filling the Chief's job?
Post by: ucwarden on September 19, 2016, 04:55:42 PM
UC,
Anything new on filling the Chief's job?
Nope, as far as I know they haven't even set up interviews yet, which leads me to believe they will just backdoor Anderson (or some other favored son) into the position.
Post by: bigtex on September 19, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
Sure sounds like it.UC,Nope, as far as I know they haven't even set up interviews yet, which leads me to believe they will just backdoor Anderson (or some other favored son) into the position.
Anything new on filling the Chief's job?
I just took a look at WDFW's 2017-19 budget request. The point of contact for Enforcement's budget request increase....Cenci. Apparently it's still okay for Cenci to be Enforcement's point of contact for everything legislative related :dunno:
Post by: Skyhigh on September 23, 2016, 10:45:41 PM
Post by: growler on September 24, 2016, 08:51:49 AM
Post by: bigtex on September 24, 2016, 01:32:22 PM
yep, captain in region 5Who most would call the best Captain in the state.
Post by: Tbar on September 24, 2016, 01:35:59 PM
Post by: Man Tracker on September 25, 2016, 09:30:40 AM
Post by: bigtex on September 25, 2016, 11:58:10 AM
I agree w/Big Tex. Best Capt. in the state. Under constant attack from management. His complaints went unanswered and seemingly disregarded. Decided it wasn't worth it under the current management structure. He will be a big loss.:yeah:
And at the time of resignation he was the longest serving WDFW Captain. Now all of the Regional Captains with the exception of Anderson (maybe future Chief Anderson...) will have less than three years on as a WDFW Captain.
Wonder who the new Region 5 Captain will be... For some reason I'd have to think that Wickersham (Vancouver area Sergeant) who is a Cenci follower will be in the mix....
Post by: bigtex on October 05, 2016, 05:22:12 PM
Post by: Gopher on October 06, 2016, 10:46:07 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on October 06, 2016, 11:06:12 AM
Or, I'd say, that could be a good reason........but IMO it's no excuse.
Post by: Skyhigh on October 24, 2016, 04:39:50 PM
Post by: Man Tracker on October 24, 2016, 07:27:23 PM
Post by: bigtex on October 24, 2016, 08:21:07 PM
All 4 were from within. They were told that things would remain status quo (Interim Chief Anderson in charge).Willing to share the names of the 4??
Post by: Man Tracker on October 25, 2016, 07:44:45 AM
Post by: bigtex on October 25, 2016, 07:36:46 PM
DC Hobbs, Capt. Brinson, Lt. Anderson, Sgt. jacksonUnfortunately things would've changed significantly had Ted gotten the job (or so I think). I guess admin wants an outsider???
Post by: ASHQUACK on October 25, 2016, 09:55:05 PM
Post by: bigtex on December 11, 2016, 10:20:02 PM
Wonder who the new Region 5 Captain will be... For some reason I'd have to think that Wickersham (Vancouver area Sergeant) who is a Cenci follower will be in the mix....As I predicted, Jeff Wickersham has been named Region 5 Captain. Another Cenci follower has been promoted....
Post by: ucwarden on December 12, 2016, 05:59:45 AM
Wonder who the new Region 5 Captain will be... For some reason I'd have to think that Wickersham (Vancouver area Sergeant) who is a Cenci follower will be in the mix....As I predicted, Jeff Wickersham has been named Region 5 Captain. Another Cenci follower has been promoted....
What a shock
Post by: ucwarden on January 31, 2017, 11:27:09 AM
New stuff added
Post by: ucwarden on February 11, 2017, 06:03:44 AM
www.tvw.org/watch/?clientID=9375922947&eventID=2017011402&eventID=2017011402&autoStartStream=true (http://www.tvw.org/watch/?clientID=9375922947&eventID=2017011402&eventID=2017011402&autoStartStream=true)
You will want to start the video at 01:01:00, then make sure and watch it through 01:11:45
Post by: ucwarden on March 30, 2017, 07:31:17 AM
Post by: Henrydog on March 30, 2017, 07:38:34 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on March 30, 2017, 07:42:24 AM
hmmmm
Post by: Special T on March 30, 2017, 07:45:02 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 30, 2017, 08:01:58 AM
Post by: ucwarden on March 30, 2017, 08:07:54 AM
I know where he could cut about $100K today - C YA Cenci.When you consider the vehicles Cenci has crashed, and the lawsuit payments, it would save a lot more than $100K, but I like your thinking. Too bad nobody in WDFW admin cares at all about what the sportsmen/taxpayers want.
Post by: WSU on March 30, 2017, 08:13:05 AM
I know where he could cut about $100K today - C YA Cenci.When you consider the vehicles Cenci has crashed, and the lawsuit payments, it would save a lot more than $100K, but I like your thinking. Too bad nobody in WDFW admin cares at all about what the sportsmen/taxpayers want.
I'd bet the savings would be seven figures (of course you'd have to have canned Cenci prior to the crashes, civil rights lawsuit, etc.).
Post by: idahohuntr on March 30, 2017, 09:10:01 AM
Post by: Skillet on March 30, 2017, 09:12:29 AM
Post by: Special T on March 30, 2017, 09:43:53 AM
I think this Pearson guy is just being a political hack.Funny I thought we could all agree that we need more sportsmen advocates in office.
Post by: ucwarden on March 30, 2017, 10:36:02 AM
I think this Pearson guy is just being a political hack.Idahohuntr: You couldn't possibly be further off, in your views of Senator Pearson. Senator Pearson has supported our efforts to rid WDFW of the corrupt, and incompetent from day one. He is the one who invited me to address the Senate committee, regarding the corruption. Senator Pearson is the only one who has stayed the course, and continued to try to hold WDFW accountable, and without his efforts, we would truly be dead in the water. His efforts give us hope, that perhaps the good guys might actually win in the end.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but my opinion is 180 degrees the opposite of yours, and I believe I have a bit moreexperience in dealing with these issues than you do.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 30, 2017, 10:47:47 AM
Don't feed the trolls.I think this Pearson guy is just being a political hack.Funny I thought we could all agree that we need more sportsmen advocates in office.
Post by: Special T on March 30, 2017, 11:36:05 AM
I can say ID hunter is talking out his rear end.
Post by: idahohuntr on March 30, 2017, 01:14:11 PM
He is merely playing to his political base...not necessarily doing what is right or good for fish and wildlife management in the State. While he may be on par for trying to hold Cenci accountable - I don't agree with his assessment of WDFW budget and fee requests, and I don't support his wasteful government spending to stand up a whole new government program to address hoof rot at WSU; simply because he and/or his constituents don't understand the issue.I think this Pearson guy is just being a political hack.Idahohuntr: You couldn't possibly be further off, in your views of Senator Pearson. Senator Pearson has supported our efforts to rid WDFW of the corrupt, and incompetent from day one. He is the one who invited me to address the Senate committee, regarding the corruption. Senator Pearson is the only one who has stayed the course, and continued to try to hold WDFW accountable, and without his efforts, we would truly be dead in the water. His efforts give us hope, that perhaps the good guys might actually win in the end.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but my opinion is 180 degrees the opposite of yours, and I believe I have a bit moreexperience in dealing with these issues than you do.
While there is always room for improvement (and believe me, I could cut a lot of fat from WDFW budgets) I also reject his description of WDFW as "an agency in crisis". Besides personal hard feelings and drama amongst enforcement personnel, what is in "crisis"?
Post by: Bob33 on March 30, 2017, 02:12:39 PM
Post by: Special T on March 30, 2017, 07:10:34 PM
Post by: JLS on March 31, 2017, 09:15:20 AM
He is merely playing to his political base...not necessarily doing what is right or good for fish and wildlife management in the State. While he may be on par for trying to hold Cenci accountable - I don't agree with his assessment of WDFW budget and fee requests, and I don't support his wasteful government spending to stand up a whole new government program to address hoof rot at WSU; simply because he and/or his constituents don't understand the issue.I think this Pearson guy is just being a political hack.Idahohuntr: You couldn't possibly be further off, in your views of Senator Pearson. Senator Pearson has supported our efforts to rid WDFW of the corrupt, and incompetent from day one. He is the one who invited me to address the Senate committee, regarding the corruption. Senator Pearson is the only one who has stayed the course, and continued to try to hold WDFW accountable, and without his efforts, we would truly be dead in the water. His efforts give us hope, that perhaps the good guys might actually win in the end.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but my opinion is 180 degrees the opposite of yours, and I believe I have a bit moreexperience in dealing with these issues than you do.
While there is always room for improvement (and believe me, I could cut a lot of fat from WDFW budgets) I also reject his description of WDFW as "an agency in crisis". Besides personal hard feelings and drama amongst enforcement personnel, what is in "crisis"?
Disagree with you, completely.
Post by: idahohuntr on March 31, 2017, 09:47:42 AM
I would also argue this Pearson is as much to blame for low morale at WDFW as anyone...his politicizing hoof rot is a perfect example. :twocents:
Post by: ipkus on March 31, 2017, 10:05:03 AM
And the department's way of fixing their budget problem? Charge more for the right to access the less x that their mismanagement provides. That'll help recruit new generations of hunters/fisherman to fund the agency in the future.
If you can't see that this agency is indeed in crisis mode, you don't know much about what's going on within it.
Post by: Special T on March 31, 2017, 10:56:47 AM
Post by: Bob33 on March 31, 2017, 11:44:53 AM
I forget the exact numbers but the WDFW employs 1200 people? Half of which show up to work in Olympia....I would be cautious of implying that only half of WDFW’s workforce shows up in Olympia for work. For one, not all their employees work in Olympia. More importantly, I believe a solid majority of their employees do work hard but are hindered by senior and mid-level management that doesn’t understand and appreciate their base constituencies. Looking at enforcement for example, I think you would find that the vast majority of officers in the field are doing their best to serve the department and hunters well, but work in an organizational structure lead by people like Mike Cenci which is where the problems are primarily.
Post by: HntnFsh on March 31, 2017, 12:25:06 PM
Their management philosophies have alienated their two largest user groups, hunters and recreational fisherman, for as long as I can remember. More predators that they severely restrict hunting access to, while the game animals that people seek and willingly will pay to access continue to decline in numbers specifically because of mis-management. Salmon and steelhead returns continue to be managed into non-existence due to many things, including "co-management", a desire to get out of the hatchery business, and a long standing love affair with stifling recreational opportunities in order to hand over a large share of harvestable fish to a handful of gillnetters that not only make money off of ESA listed stocks, they reek havoc on non-target species like sturgeon and steelhead.
And the department's way of fixing their budget problem? Charge more for the right to access the less x that their mismanagement provides. That'll help recruit new generations of hunters/fisherman to fund the agency in the future.
If you can't see that this agency is indeed in crisis mode, you don't know much about what's going on within it.
Thank you. You beat me to it! And I'm sure there is more that can be added!
Post by: Oh Mah on March 31, 2017, 03:55:21 PM
I didn't take his statement the same way you did Bobcat,I read it as of the entire state we have around 1200 employees that work at wdfw.half of which are working somewhere in Olympia,not that they don't work.I believe he has a strong point since fishing is there and so is the money.we need these officers distributed more over the state instead of most in one area.I forget the exact numbers but the WDFW employs 1200 people? Half of which show up to work in Olympia....I would be cautious of implying that only half of WDFW’s workforce shows up in Olympia for work. For one, not all their employees work in Olympia. More importantly, I believe a solid majority of their employees do work hard but are hindered by senior and mid-level management that doesn’t understand and appreciate their base constituencies. Looking at enforcement for example, I think you would find that the vast majority of officers in the field are doing their best to serve the department and hunters well, but work in an organizational structure lead by people like Mike Cenci which is where the problems are primarily.
Post by: Special T on March 31, 2017, 07:49:57 PM
Esa and other studies would appear more important than known improvements to habitat.
Post by: ucwarden on April 06, 2017, 04:30:23 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 06, 2017, 05:37:50 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on April 06, 2017, 05:42:04 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 06, 2017, 05:45:02 AM
He lays the letter out quite well. The point needs to be made that the letter is written from someone with the merit to do so.Exactly, I don't feel at all he was beating his chest! I wonder if unsworth even replied? I have Zero confidence in the director.
Post by: ucwarden on April 06, 2017, 06:02:01 AM
I don't think Unsworth answers anyoneHe lays the letter out quite well. The point needs to be made that the letter is written from someone with the merit to do so.Exactly, I don't feel at all he was beating his chest! I wonder if unsworth even replied? I have Zero confidence in the director.
Post by: HntnFsh on April 06, 2017, 06:12:30 AM
Thanks,
HntnFsh
Post by: ctwiggs1 on April 06, 2017, 06:39:44 AM
Our leadership at all levels is toxic, the answer to every problem is that the public isn't giving enough money, and accountability is at zero.
UCWarden, thank you for your service to our state. I appreciate what you did hear, but I've lost hope that toxic leadership will ever be addressed in our state.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 06, 2017, 07:07:57 AM
To be honest guys, after the 2016 elections I came to realize that we are on the same path as California, just a few years behind them.I'm sure this is how most of us feel, it's really disgusting. And your efforts UC have been beyond what one should endure.
Our leadership at all levels is toxic, the answer to every problem is that the public isn't giving enough money, and accountability is at zero.
UCWarden, thank you for your service to our state. I appreciate what you did hear, but I've lost hope that toxic leadership will ever be addressed in our state.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 06, 2017, 07:24:37 AM
Any chance somebody could just post the letter? I have a really hard time figuring out how to get these to open.September 8, 2016
Thanks,
HntnFsh
Director Unsworth,
This letter is to show my support for Sgt. Ted Jackson as Chief of Fish and Wildlife Police.
You may not be aware of who I am, so I will give you a brief biography. I was an officer for WDFW police from March 2005 to May 2016. Prior to that, I was an Eagle Scout, enlisted in the Army Reserves at 17, completed my four year degree in law and Justice at Central Washington University in under three years, and am a cancer survivor.
I spent 11 years serving the Department as a fish and wildlife officer. While an officer with the Department, I took on additional responsibilities and became a defensive tactics instructor, field training officer, and boat operator. I have taken many additional training courses to improve my skills as a fish and wildlife officer, including the Law Enforcement Mountain Operations School, the Marine Law Enforcement Training Program at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Georgia, and numerous CTJC advanced courses.
I have handled many high profile WDFW cases and wildlife attacks. I have been on the news multiple times representing the Department. I was also asked to and appeared in the Department’s TV show “Rugged Justice” for seasons two and three. I spent a year as a TAC officer teaching new recruits at the police academy.
I left the department at the end of May 2016 to work for Clyde Hill Police Department as a police officer. I left because of one thing, leadership (or rather lack of leadership). I did not leave to make more money (I am making approximately the same now), or because I didn’t like fish and wildlife work (I loved it). I left because I witnessed the lying from the administration, and damage it caused. I could not trust the Chief, Deputy Chiefs, and several captains in my chain of command.
In law enforcement, now more than ever, public trust is paramount. Unfortunately, the WDFW police program has demonstrated they cannot be trusted. Officers and sergeants are treated differently depending on whether they carry favor with the administration or not. There are deputy chiefs, captains, sergeants, and officers that lie to serve their own purpose. There are unfortunately many examples of this that you are hopefully aware of, but if not please let me know and I would be more than happy to explain further.
WDFW Police has bullies in the current leadership. The only way to get people to follow them is to force them and rule through fear. This is not leadership, it is terrorism. Deputy Chief Cenci cannot contain himself when meeting with the State Legislator. When Captain Meyers was the training lieutenant, he would come down to the police academy to bully recruits while they are in training. Meyers attempted several times to bully me while I was a TAC officer at CJTC, especially when he found out I reported his behavior to Captain Brinson. Meyers was rewarded for his bullying behavior by a promotion to captain, where he has continued his terror tactics with the sergeants and officers in Region 4.
Currently, the Department struggles to find qualified officers to replace the ones they have lost. The Department is spending millions in training officers, only to lose them shortly after they are hired. WDFW is being used as a stepping stone for officers to gain experience to move on to other police agencies. Now the department is losing experienced officers. The Department cannot afford to continue moving in the same direction (both literally and figuratively). You need a change in leadership.
Sgt. Jackson is one of the most honest person I have ever met. Simply put, he is fair and just. Sgt. Jackson has always treated me, and the officers he supervised fairly. There have been times when I disagreed with him, or didn't fully understand a decision that he made, but I could always trust him to do the right thing and make the right judgement call. Because of that, I followed him.
Sgt. Jackson is a honest, devoted, hard working person. He truly cares about the Department, and fixing the problems within the Department. He does not play favorites, and treats everyone fairly based on his or her actions.
Sgt. Jackson’s work with WACOPS, and his ability to cooperate with outside agencies and the State Legislator display his leadership skills. These experiences have contributed to making him a great leader. This is exactly what is needed to lead the Department forward.
WDFW Police needs a true leader with integrity in the Chief’s office in order to correct the problems and broken culture within the WDFW Police Program. Sgt. Jackson is that leader. He is the only one capable of correcting the problems that have been allowed to continue under the current leadership. Sgt. Jackson had worked and continues to work hard to make the agency better and relevant.
Sincerely,
Jason Czebotar
Post by: Curly on April 06, 2017, 09:28:02 AM
To be honest guys, after the 2016 elections I came to realize that we are on the same path as California, just a few years behind them.I'm sure this is how most of us feel, it's really disgusting. And your efforts UC have been beyond what one should endure.
Our leadership at all levels is toxic, the answer to every problem is that the public isn't giving enough money, and accountability is at zero.
UCWarden, thank you for your service to our state. I appreciate what you did hear, but I've lost hope that toxic leadership will ever be addressed in our state.
:yeah:
Post by: huntnphool on April 06, 2017, 10:02:56 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on April 06, 2017, 12:50:40 PM
If everything in that letter is factual, Czebotar just made sure Sgt. Jackson will NOT be considered for that position.Why is that?
Post by: Man Tracker on April 06, 2017, 07:41:38 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on April 06, 2017, 10:35:35 PM
Sgt. Jackson has since resigned/retired from DFW. They lost yet another excellent senior leader.
I am pretty sure he still is in his position?
Post by: growler on April 07, 2017, 09:40:33 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 07, 2017, 10:26:52 AM
Post by: bigtex on June 28, 2017, 02:54:47 PM
Captain Dan Brinson gave up his law enforcement commission and is now the new Wildlife Conflict Section Manager. Dan's name probably sounds familiar. He was the Captain in Region 6 for many years before he was essentially forced out by Cenci & Crown and into a HQ Captain position leading internal affairs and other management activities. Only to have his former Region 6 Captain job be opened up a few short years later and given to Cenci's best friend.
Dan applied to be the new Chief, but apparently Unsworth didn't want him. Dan's name was tossed around on here after he had a nearly fatal vehicle accident, but still put out an email to enforcement employees talking about morale in the agency.
FYI, the Chief's position has sat vacant for over a year now...
Post by: trophyhunt on June 28, 2017, 04:36:38 PM
Post by: bigtex on June 28, 2017, 04:44:59 PM
Wow, when will this crap stop!Who knows.
With Dan's transfer out of enforcement WDFW now has just one Captain who has been in a Captain's position for over 5 years, that being Chris Anderson who is the Acting Chief....
Post by: trophyhunt on June 28, 2017, 04:47:53 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on June 28, 2017, 04:53:04 PM
Post by: bigtex on June 28, 2017, 05:05:15 PM
Any chance unsworth will be gone soon? Can the commission fire him, or would they?I don't see him leaving anytime soon. Realistically, the only times you see department heads being fired is if they're embroiled in a big screw up. And I'm talking front page news, top headline screw up, not Hunt-WA WDFW enforcement drama that only those who hunt and fish really care about. I'm not downplaying the issues in enforcement, but unfortunately most people don't even know what a game warden is, and wouldn't care about the drama going on there.
Straight out of state law: "The director and commission staff shall serve at the pleasure of the commission." Now the real question comes down to this, the Governor essentially hires the Commission, the Commisson hires the Director. Do you actually think the Commission would fire a Director without first having the Governor sign off on it? Highly unlikely....
Post by: bearpaw on June 28, 2017, 06:13:33 PM
Any chance unsworth will be gone soon? Can the commission fire him, or would they?I don't see him leaving anytime soon. Realistically, the only times you see department heads being fired is if they're embroiled in a big screw up. And I'm talking front page news, top headline screw up, not Hunt-WA WDFW enforcement drama that only those who hunt and fish really care about. I'm not downplaying the issues in enforcement, but unfortunately most people don't even know what a game warden is, and wouldn't care about the drama going on there.
Straight out of state law: "The director and commission staff shall serve at the pleasure of the commission." Now the real question comes down to this, the Governor essentially hires the Commission, the Commisson hires the Director. Do you actually think the Commission would fire a Director without first having the Governor sign off on it? Highly unlikely....
all good points, sad state of affairs, and probably not going to change...
Post by: Man Tracker on June 28, 2017, 07:56:30 PM
Post by: Gopher on July 01, 2017, 09:41:46 PM
Post by: jmscon on July 01, 2017, 09:45:36 PM
Post by: olyguy79 on July 02, 2017, 06:05:15 AM
Almost sounds like a merger between WA state patrol, Wdfw enforcement and state parks enforcement might be beneficial over what is going on now.:bdid:
Post by: jmscon on July 02, 2017, 09:23:08 AM
Almost sounds like a merger between WA state patrol, Wdfw enforcement and state parks enforcement might be beneficial over what is going on now.:bdid:
I know, but I think it would be a vast improvement over the current situation. And I don't see any chance that the state government would remove the current problems.
Post by: Miles on July 02, 2017, 09:27:55 AM
The new enforcement chief (from Alaska) starts September 1. Cenci is fishing in Alaska.
Sounds about right.
Post by: bigtex on July 27, 2017, 07:23:09 PM
Here's an odd application question for the recently posted Region 2 Captain's position:
"As the Region 2 Captain, how will you address gossip and rumors? Please describe any steps you have taken in the past, or could take in the future, to deter or eliminate gossip in the workplace. How do you personally deal with gossip and rumor control?"
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 27, 2017, 07:40:35 PM
Post by: bigtex on July 27, 2017, 07:43:09 PM
seems like these chiefs aren't lasting long. Bigtex what is the typical tenure for a WDFW chief?Well Anderson was the Acting Chief so he was essentially temporarily promoted while the permanent Chief was selected.
Crown was Chief for about 3 years, Bjork was Chief for about 14 years before Crown.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 27, 2017, 08:09:32 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on July 28, 2017, 10:09:52 AM
Chris Anderson who is the Region 2 Captain but has served as the Acting Chief since Steve Crown left the agency is retiring, leaving the Region 2 Captain's position open. Anderson is a Cenci friend/supporter.I think that question says alot about where the department is right now.
Here's an odd application question for the recently posted Region 2 Captain's position:
"As the Region 2 Captain, how will you address gossip and rumors? Please describe any steps you have taken in the past, or could take in the future, to deter or eliminate gossip in the workplace. How do you personally deal with gossip and rumor control?"
Post by: Man Tracker on August 07, 2017, 08:05:55 PM
Post by: JDHasty on August 08, 2017, 10:17:43 AM
Check out the article in Sunday's Tacoma News Tribune...
THis is probably a better link to the same article. The News Buffoon has a pay wall
http://spokanepublicradio.org/post/after-alleged-rape-investigation-reveals-sexualized-culture-washington-state-agency
Post by: bigtex on September 01, 2017, 02:13:04 PM
Chris Anderson who is the Region 2 Captain but has served as the Acting Chief since Steve Crown left the agency is retiring, leaving the Region 2 Captain's position open. Anderson is a Cenci friend/supporter.Mike Jewell, who was seen frequently on Rugged Justice in the Moses Lake area is the new Region 2 Captain.
Here's an odd application question for the recently posted Region 2 Captain's position:
"As the Region 2 Captain, how will you address gossip and rumors? Please describe any steps you have taken in the past, or could take in the future, to deter or eliminate gossip in the workplace. How do you personally deal with gossip and rumor control?"
Chris Anderson who served as Acting Chief for the past year and a half decided not to retire and is now managing the Professional Standards (Internal Affairs) division.
Post by: Henrydog on September 05, 2017, 06:44:24 AM
Post by: bigtex on September 06, 2017, 01:54:29 PM
WDFW now has 1 Sergeant, 10 Captains, 2 Deputy Chiefs, and 1 Chief in Administration. Go back to around 2006 and that number would be more like 1 Chief, 1 Deputy Chief, 6 Captains, and 4 Lieutenants.
Post by: olyguy79 on September 06, 2017, 01:57:32 PM
One of Chief Bear's first moves was to promote WDFW's three Lieutenants and made them into Captains (higher rank = higher pay). There are no longer any Lieutenants in WDFW. Historically, WDFW Captains were the regional supervisors, and Lieutenants oversaw a program in HQ such as dispatch, fleet management, etc.First thing the new Chief does to a program many call top heavy is essentially thicken that top crust.
WDFW now has 1 Sergeant, 10 Captains, 2 Deputy Chiefs, and 1 Chief in Administration. Go back to around 2006 and that number would be more like 1 Chief, 1 Deputy Chief, 6 Captains, and 4 Lieutenants.
Not a good first move in my opinion.
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Post by: Wacenturion on September 07, 2017, 08:40:53 AM
One of Chief Bear's first moves was to promote WDFW's three Lieutenants and made them into Captains (higher rank = higher pay). There are no longer any Lieutenants in WDFW. Historically, WDFW Captains were the regional supervisors, and Lieutenants oversaw a program in HQ such as dispatch, fleet management, etc.First thing the new Chief does to a program many call top heavy is essentially thicken that top crust.
WDFW now has 1 Sergeant, 10 Captains, 2 Deputy Chiefs, and 1 Chief in Administration. Go back to around 2006 and that number would be more like 1 Chief, 1 Deputy Chief, 6 Captains, and 4 Lieutenants.
Not a good first move in my opinion.
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Quite simple actually. The higher the pay grade of employees that one supervises, the higher pay grade the one who supervises them gets. Has been that way in WDFW and other agencies for quite awhile. Top gets fatter and the delivery of services to the public out in the field gets reduced over time. Ask yourself how many additional field agents WDFW could assign around the state if they converted those 10 captains and one deputy chief into field positions. Add on to that a reduction in the chief's salary as well for not supervising so many high level staff. Apply that to all divisions within the agency and you would see significant reults for the public. You always here the excuses of not enough agents or other positions to adequately cover the state and manage properly. Way too much area for those out there, bla, bla, bla, on and on.
It's simply mismanagement and it's everywhere inside WDFW.