Post by: bigbeamhunter on November 11, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
Post by: HUNT-HARD on November 11, 2015, 11:21:26 AM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on November 11, 2015, 11:27:18 AM
Post by: HUNT-HARD on November 11, 2015, 11:28:46 AM
Post by: bigtex on November 11, 2015, 11:31:21 AM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on November 11, 2015, 11:33:16 AM
Post by: HUNT-HARD on November 11, 2015, 11:41:34 AM
Post by: BENCHLEG on November 11, 2015, 12:18:09 PM
Post by: ELKBURGER on November 11, 2015, 12:19:37 PM
Post by: 1bugman on November 11, 2015, 12:24:42 PM
Post by: DRobnsn on November 11, 2015, 12:43:52 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on November 11, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
Little history/discussion on these guys.
Post by: Netminder01 on November 11, 2015, 01:01:38 PM
Post by: Back Country on November 11, 2015, 01:44:57 PM
Post by: motg9_6 on November 11, 2015, 02:47:34 PM
Post by: motg9_6 on November 11, 2015, 03:00:11 PM
Post by: motg9_6 on November 11, 2015, 04:39:40 PM
Post by: Back Country on November 11, 2015, 04:59:25 PM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on November 11, 2015, 05:28:23 PM
Post by: Bunny Thumper on November 11, 2015, 07:31:59 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 11, 2015, 07:33:19 PM
Man can imagine paying for a guide and then getting put in cuffs and get a ticket that must suck
Part of the rich mans experience. :chuckle:
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 11, 2015, 07:43:57 PM
bet the clients felt stupid in cuffsI really am interested in hearing the story...
Wonder why no news release?
Post by: bigbeamhunter on November 11, 2015, 08:02:32 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on November 11, 2015, 08:13:05 PM
Post by: BoomWhop on November 12, 2015, 09:05:26 AM
Post by: boneaddict on November 12, 2015, 09:19:39 AM
reminds me of another story on here where a member got nailed and lost his trophy but we haven't heard a word.
Post by: Bean Counter on November 12, 2015, 09:22:25 AM
Post by: big J on November 12, 2015, 10:23:50 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on November 12, 2015, 10:29:53 AM
Post by: big J on November 12, 2015, 10:32:19 AM
Maybe it will be on Rugged Justice :chuckle:Doubt it they are to busy writing duis and watching decoys. I will make a call to the farm and see if they heard anything about it
Post by: Widgeondeke on November 12, 2015, 10:33:04 AM
Maybe it will be on Rugged Justice :chuckle:
that there is funny :chuckle:
Post by: bigtex on November 12, 2015, 10:45:31 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 12, 2015, 10:53:15 AM
:chuckle:
Post by: 724wd on November 12, 2015, 10:56:19 AM
Yikes
reminds me of another story on here where a member got nailed and lost his trophy but we haven't heard a word.
Been watching for that one, too. I heard some details, but they're second hand and I don't know how accurate. The penalties sounded about right, though, with the monetary fine, loss of equipment, etc. I tried googling the name and offense, but nothing showed up.
Post by: FordTough on November 12, 2015, 03:11:11 PM
Post by: Wazukie on November 12, 2015, 03:20:54 PM
Post by: h20hunter on November 12, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 12, 2015, 03:27:46 PM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on November 12, 2015, 03:39:19 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 12, 2015, 03:54:01 PM
Well that's good news for the hunter. And shows second hand info is not good.
Well, we don't really know that FordTough's story is correct either now, do we?
Post by: HUNT-HARD on November 12, 2015, 03:58:05 PM
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on November 12, 2015, 04:08:34 PM
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Post by: DRobnsn on November 12, 2015, 04:14:52 PM
Post by: X-Force on November 12, 2015, 04:20:06 PM
He's been a member since nov. 12th 2015 lol. So to me he signed up to the hunt wa forum based on this particular situation. Maybe I'm just speculating but it seems odd. He signs up and had the details to this
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Do you work in Mayberry?
I wonder if FordTough has the same IPaddress as nobs
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Post by: blacktail luv on November 12, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on November 12, 2015, 04:42:22 PM
Maybe it will be on Rugged Justice :chuckle:Doubt it they are to busy writing duis and watching decoys. I will make a call to the farm and see if they heard anything about it
Maybe the next episode of Rugged Justice will be survillance and stakeout on Hunting-Washington.com :chuckle:
Post by: runamuk on November 12, 2015, 04:48:43 PM
Post by: big J on November 12, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
Post by: FordTough on November 12, 2015, 06:23:16 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 12, 2015, 06:26:16 PM
Yes, who are you?
Post by: h20hunter on November 12, 2015, 06:27:53 PM
Rin.....same popcorn kitty in two threads? You are better than that.
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 12, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
"Anyone got more questions?"
Yes, who are you?
I'll throw in with this one. Make that a x2
Post by: Curly on November 12, 2015, 06:44:57 PM
Post by: Bango skank on November 12, 2015, 06:46:52 PM
Post by: big J on November 12, 2015, 06:48:32 PM
Best part the elk tore the fence down. Ya that happens allot down there but I still know it's refuge and I'm not a guide. I also hunt private land there that is close to the refuge and don't pay squat to hunt it. So could care less about your dollars hope all works out well
Post by: Dan-o on November 12, 2015, 06:54:37 PM
This is not HUNT Wa's best moment.
LOTS of people speculating about another hunter without giving any benefit of the doubt.
I don't know anything about the situation.
I don't know FORDTOUGH or anyone else that was there.
I do know that rumors are just rumors.
My bet: FORDTOUGH's explanation ends up being accurate.
If so, I hope some of you are man enough to apologize for impugning the character of these folks.
Post by: Curly on November 12, 2015, 07:02:24 PM
Post by: Dan-o on November 12, 2015, 07:08:31 PM
Derogatory abrasive and insulting responses, even if 100% accurate, rarely accomplish lending clarity to a social media topic. A clear concise and respectable complete fabrication is usually more easily believed on public forums. So while I appreciate someone trying to set things straight and add some sort of absolute to a topic with little available details, I might suggest starting that post with something other than an insult to all participants of the thread. Character and integrity are much more believable when posting with level heads and disciplined verbiage.
Spoken like a man who bought a mischambered rifle...... :yike:
Cheers!
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 12, 2015, 07:39:00 PM
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The guide is a master hunter, the outfitter was playing by the books. Anyone got more questions?All I know, is I was waiting to hear the true story from the authorities, or someone with credibility.
"Master Hunter" ?
If it is the outfitter I suspect, I know he was not "playing by the books" a couple years ago, that is why I suspect him.
He also has a definite lack of knowledge about game animals in contrast to his claims.
Yet I still have not used any names, or made any statements connecting any outfitter to this occurrence.
:devil:
If it is someone else.. I still want to hear the enforcement officers account of what happened.
No doubt it will show up on https://www.facebook.com/WDFWPolice (https://www.facebook.com/WDFWPolice)
I said nothing directly insulting, or derogatory about anybody that I cannot substantiate with facts.
It seems most members that posted in this thread also just tagged in to hear a story...
Post by: Idighuntin on November 12, 2015, 07:52:26 PM
This may get me kicked out of the Christmas gift exchange, but I'm going to say it anyway......:
This is not HUNT Wa's best moment.
LOTS of people speculating about another hunter without giving any benefit of the doubt.
I don't know anything about the situation.
I don't know FORDTOUGH or anyone else that was there.
I do know that rumors are just rumors.
My bet: FORDTOUGH's explanation ends up being accurate.
If so, I hope some of you are man enough to apologize for impugning the character of these folks.
X2
Post by: Idighuntin on November 12, 2015, 07:54:51 PM
I have a question. Is a hot dog a sammich?
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Post by: runamuk on November 12, 2015, 08:06:45 PM
Yeah...I got one.
Rin.....same popcorn kitty in two threads? You are better than that.
I was just bringing popcorn to the mess that is all. Thats the only popcorn thingy I have in my puter so its the one I used. Not my fault there are multiple trainwrecks on the same day.
Now back to waiting for better info to pop up on facebook because often these get sorted out there sooner than they do here. If a guy shot an elk with a pistol as others have said thats pretty cool. I have been to this refuge once and its pretty well marked wasnt tough to know if I was on it or not. But as I said I have been there once.
I figure wdfw will have it show up in their feed if its a legit offense. I dont take the word of new people who join and post in a inflamed thread just because they claim to know the "real story". If there is a real story it will come out if it was a mistaken situation everyone will forget inside of a few weeks. :dunno:
Post by: h20hunter on November 12, 2015, 08:09:09 PM
Post by: UBA on November 12, 2015, 08:28:08 PM
Post by: motg9_6 on November 12, 2015, 08:30:02 PM
I personally worked for the refuge when I was a kid, my family owned property bordering the refuge, there's is no such thing as unmarked portion (also what happened to hunters responsibility of knowing the land)I am one of the supposedly jealous hunters you talk about but know something no locals were allowed to hunt that land where the issue was ONLY FAMILY, so what's the big deal?? I also am one of the very few people that have permission for a lot of that private land the surrounds the refuge. I talked to serveral of the surrounding land owners on this issue and would really like to comment but I will hold out for now. Here are some things I know for a fact misrepresentation on the website issues with multiple adjacent land owners this outfitter has a rap sheet from previous endevours just sayin not an outfitter I want anywhere around this state heck at all for that matter!
Post by: BUTTER on November 12, 2015, 08:34:53 PM
Post by: Whitpirate on November 12, 2015, 09:00:02 PM
Post by: Bango skank on November 12, 2015, 09:04:40 PM
Post by: motg9_6 on November 12, 2015, 09:10:57 PM
Butter,
the refuge will gladly let you retrieve a wounded animal if you can prove it was shot on private property and is dead on the refuge, they will escort you out if the animal is seriously wounded and can be seen but not dead
Post by: FordTough on November 12, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
I really hope this helps people out. Regardless of past issues or your personal take on the outfitter, this is far from what everyone speculated.
As for the question, who am I? I'm a nobody. I'm just the guy with the facts, about this incedent, who loves killing elk and deer with his bow.
Don't forget guys, innocent until proven guilty!
Post by: Netminder01 on November 13, 2015, 07:37:00 AM
I've been under the impression (by other hunters and a few DFW officers) that if a game animal is shot legally on private land and crosses into land needing permission for recovery DFW officers may escort hunters specifically to recover an animal - not hunt.
Why was this animal left to waste??
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on November 13, 2015, 07:42:23 AM
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Post by: Curly on November 13, 2015, 07:43:44 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 13, 2015, 07:46:30 AM
It really only matters what can be proved.
If it does turn out to be who I suspect, much like every other thread on EVERY internet forum regarding said outfitter, this one to will be locked, then disappear.
That is why I am waiting for the enforcement officers report to show up.
But it might not happen until after his day in court.
Post by: Netminder01 on November 13, 2015, 07:50:04 AM
It's a common misconception that wdfw officers will escort hunters onto land for retrieval of game. The landowner is not obligated to grant permission.
I've been told more than once by DFW officers directly and by a guide that even if a landowner does *not* provide permission and as long as the DFW is with the hunter, recovery can occur. I've been cited a prevision that allows for recover of wounded/terminal animals so it does not go to waste.
My day is slammed, otherwise I'd dig into this more now - sorry. Is anyone else familiar with this or have I been entirely mis-informed for years??
Post by: bobcat on November 13, 2015, 07:56:50 AM
Post by: Netminder01 on November 13, 2015, 08:00:10 AM
There is no law requiring that a landowner allow access for retrieval of game. It's been discussed on here many times.
Grumble.... Ok, I'll stop with the thread hijack but will look into this more.
Post by: bobcat on November 13, 2015, 08:02:08 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on November 13, 2015, 08:05:07 AM
RCWs > Title 77 > Chapter 77.15 > Section 77.15.435
77.15.430 << 77.15.435 >> 77.15.440
RCW 77.15.435
Unlawful hunting on or retrieving hunted wildlife from the property of another—Defense—Penalty—Forfeiture and disposition of wildlife.
*** CHANGE IN 2015 *** (SEE 1627.SL) ***
(1) A person is guilty of unlawfully hunting on, or retrieving hunted wildlife from, the property of another if the person knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in or on the premises of another for the purpose of hunting for wildlife or retrieving hunted wildlife.
(2) In any prosecution under this section, it is a defense that:
(a) The premises were at the time open to members of the public for the purpose of hunting, and the actor complied with all lawful conditions imposed on access to or remaining on the premises;
(b) The actor reasonably believed that the owner of the premises, or other person empowered to license access thereto, would have licensed him or her to enter or remain on the premises for the purpose of hunting or retrieving hunted wildlife;
(c) The actor reasonably believed that the premises were not privately owned; or
(d) The actor, after making all reasonable attempts to contact the owner of the premises, retrieved the hunted wildlife for the sole purpose of avoiding a violation of the prohibition on the waste of fish and wildlife as provided in RCW 77.15.170. The defense in this subsection only applies to the retrieval of hunted wildlife and not to the actual act of hunting itself.
(3) Unlawfully hunting on or retrieving hunted wildlife from the property of another is a misdemeanor.
(4) If a person unlawfully hunts and kills wildlife, or retrieves hunted wildlife that he or she has killed, on the property of another, then, upon conviction of unlawfully hunting on, or retrieving hunted wildlife from, the property of another, the department shall revoke all hunting licenses and tags and order a suspension of the person's hunting privileges for two years.
(5) Any wildlife that is unlawfully hunted on or retrieved from the property of another must be seized by fish and wildlife officers. Forfeiture and disposition of the wildlife is pursuant to RCW 77.15.100. [2012 c 176 § 11.
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on November 13, 2015, 08:09:28 AM
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Post by: LDennis24 on November 13, 2015, 08:18:24 AM
Post by: bigtex on November 13, 2015, 08:22:47 AM
The change in May of 2015 is to include animal parts, which to me means they are including shed antlers in the law now, so you will be prosecuted for collecting antlers on private land and they will be forfeited.Correct. The change was talked about in great length on this forum this spring.
Post by: motg9_6 on November 13, 2015, 08:49:50 AM
Just my :twocents:
Post by: h20hunter on November 13, 2015, 08:53:04 AM
Post by: Patarero on November 13, 2015, 09:11:11 AM
Well back on track talked with land owner, outfitter will not be back next year so if there was no issues and everything was hunky dory don't you think the land owner would keep collectin the $50000
Just my :twocents:
Yep, this was not an isolated incident/'slip-up'.
Post by: Rainier10 on November 13, 2015, 09:20:16 AM
Pretty sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.
My guess is the bull was shot on private land, did run onto the refuge and this was just the straw that broke the camels back for the landowner that was leasing the land.
Pretty sure if we ever know the truth it will be after the case is settled in court and that will take a year or two.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on November 13, 2015, 09:33:40 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 13, 2015, 10:25:24 AM
I think you guys may be reading into my message wrong. Not insulting anyone, just simply stating the facts. The guy shoots a 357 round that he custom loads. The cartridge is about 3 inches long. He has a 100yd and 200yd gun. He's extremely accurate at both yardages. There's video of the shot, the animal going down twice, and then turning and going towards the refuge but through a timber patch that has no fence or signage behind it to mark the property line. The guy who blocked the road the day before was acting like a fool telling some old guy he wasn't going to move because he was watching some elk, but it was a county road and he had no right to do that. The old guy is a friend of the land owner and want too happy. The guy had the outfitter info in the window of his truck, so he took it upon himself to call the authorities and tell them what he thought was going on. Like I said, from there, it was all by the books, minus the slip up on crossing the unmarked line. The bull was shot well within the private proprty. The feds wouldn't look at the video and didn't care about the recovery of the animal, and unfortunately the local authorities didn't have much to do with it since they were trumped in the situation. No permission was being given to go try and recover the bull. It has been in the past, but not this time!
I really hope this helps people out. Regardless of past issues or your personal take on the outfitter, this is far from what everyone speculated.
As for the question, who am I? I'm a nobody. I'm just the guy with the facts, about this incedent, who loves killing elk and deer with his bow.
Don't forget guys, innocent until proven guilty!
This is a great post...thanks for sharing :tup:
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 13, 2015, 11:51:40 AM
Well back on track talked with land owner, outfitter will not be back next year so if there was no issues and everything was hunky dory don't you think the land owner would keep collecting the $50000$50,000 :yike:
Just my :twocents:
I am sure he will have someone pick up the tab.
Definitely some nice critters on the property, even if the elk are not Roosevelt's...
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 13, 2015, 12:07:25 PM
Well back on track talked with land owner, outfitter will not be back next year so if there was no issues and everything was hunky dory don't you think the land owner would keep collectin the $50000
Just my :twocents:
Who is the land owner? :dunno:
Post by: motg9_6 on November 13, 2015, 02:54:58 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 13, 2015, 03:02:33 PM
Post by: motg9_6 on November 13, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on November 13, 2015, 03:17:12 PM
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on November 13, 2015, 03:20:26 PM
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Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 13, 2015, 03:21:04 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 13, 2015, 03:21:23 PM
Not long at all at these prices!Wow! Expensive. Still you would have to do quite a few of those to pay for it and I am just not sure there is that much of a market for it.
So was it a yearly lease for $50,000 a year, was it a multi year lease at $50,000 a year or multiple years for $50,000 total.
Just trying to figure out how many guys it would take to go in on something like this and make it worth your money.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 13, 2015, 03:27:57 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 13, 2015, 03:29:24 PM
So, what does Miriam do for $900 on the One on One?
This is so funny. If people don't think this is funny, they can just leave :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 13, 2015, 04:44:14 PM
Post by: steelhead13 on November 13, 2015, 04:57:20 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 13, 2015, 05:02:05 PM
No game in that country is worth those prices! :twocents:Not even a 100% success rate on 300"+ Roosevelt bulls?
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opportunity rate and kill rate at almost 100% in the field. With a passion for the outdoors that separates them from their competitors. Client kills, testimonials, and trophy quality in their photo gallery truly separates them from any other outfitter in Washington State. Don't waste your time booking with a mediocre outfitter when you can hunt with the elite.
Their Trophy Roosevelt Elk hunts are one of their best sellers along with Trophy Black Tail Deer. They have maintained 100% opportunity rate for trophy Roosevelt's bulls in the 300" range and trophy Black Tail Deer. They simply produce what other outfitters cant.
Post by: Dan-o on November 13, 2015, 05:04:44 PM
Post by: motg9_6 on November 13, 2015, 05:05:21 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 13, 2015, 05:07:14 PM
It's all about the opportunity!! Roosevelt elk in 578 trophy blacktail in 388 lmao more like miracle hunt ! Still curious about Mariam and $900 :chuckle:
What's the average wild tom weigh, 15 pounds :dunno: . $60 a pound. :yike:
Post by: Limhangerslayer on November 13, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,123436.msg1630281.html#msg1630281
So you must know him or he illegally used your pic?
Post by: bigbeamhunter on November 13, 2015, 10:22:31 PM
I'm not going to say to much I just heard about it the other day and was curious what happened and the it blew up.
Post by: eldplanko on November 13, 2015, 11:16:37 PM
So, what does Miriam do for $900 on the One on One?
Gobble gobble
Post by: bigbeamhunter on November 13, 2015, 11:20:29 PM
Gobble gobble
Post by: winshooter88 on November 14, 2015, 02:16:51 AM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 14, 2015, 03:52:36 AM
I have never heard of Conboy so I looked it up. This outfitter is advertising trophy Roosevelts for $15,000. First off who pays that much for a Washington elk hunt? Second the refuge website says the elk there are Rockies. Also per the rule book anything east of I-5 is not a rosie. ( I know this is a much debated subject) but with those two things you are false advertising. Also being a business man and putting yourself out there maybe he should of checked how to spell what he is selling? Its Merriam not Miriam you idiot.
I am sure If I searched his site I could find more idiocy. Also using a picture of a turkey that is not the species you are selling.
I can only conclude after this that the man is a imbecile and the negative story is probably correct.
Post by: Curly on November 14, 2015, 07:15:55 AM
Post by: Wazukie on November 14, 2015, 07:30:17 AM
Post by: Bango skank on November 14, 2015, 07:43:18 AM
Post by: motg9_6 on November 14, 2015, 08:36:48 AM
NBA point guard thats a good one!!! :chuckle:
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 14, 2015, 08:47:10 AM
So, is there an easy way to tell the difference between a Rocky Mountain and a Roosevelt? Or is it just geographic location? :dunno: I was always told that all the elk up here were Rocky :dunno:Because they are so genetically similar it really is a matter of geographic location, but common difference is the antler configuration.
There, of course, are exceptions but usually Rockies have the whale-tails while Roosevelts crown on top.
Roosevelts antlers usually are shorter, have more mass, and grow upright, rather than sweeping back towards the rump.
Post by: Bob33 on November 14, 2015, 08:48:46 AM
So, is there an easy way to tell the difference between a Rocky Mountain and a Roosevelt? Or is it just geographic location? :dunno: I was always told that all the elk up here were Rocky :dunno:Boone & Crockett makes their determination geographically with I-5 the dividing line.
Post by: bigbeamhunter on November 14, 2015, 08:58:50 AM
Post by: MuleyMadness on November 14, 2015, 01:09:40 PM
Im sure he will be locked up eventually and the story is over.
How bout them SeahawkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkS~!
Post by: high country on November 14, 2015, 09:41:41 PM
Yikes
reminds me of another story on here where a member got nailed and lost his trophy but we haven't heard a word.
The kids missed the other good buck two times. The bulls were taken in the modern.....and it's been long enough to score that pig.
Too bad he didn't just ask for forgiveness...
Post by: blacktail master on November 16, 2015, 11:31:55 AM
Post by: ELKBURGER on November 16, 2015, 11:42:04 AM
What has happened there is a made up version called the cascade Rosie and for the blacktailThere is a Washington State Record book That has the Cascade Rosie and the Cascade Blacktail (Benchlegs) as additional species categories. Boone and crockett do not recognize either.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 16, 2015, 11:54:05 AM
Little known fact: It's a bigger federal penalty to illegally take fish/wildlife on a National Wildlife Refuge then it is to do so in a National Park...
Key word is illegally. Hunting is allowed in certain cases in National Wildlife Refuges.
Post by: Rainier10 on November 16, 2015, 12:11:53 PM
Are guys talking about the thread with the trailcam on the wrong property and a masher buck was taken? Did the whole thread get taken down?Yikes
reminds me of another story on here where a member got nailed and lost his trophy but we haven't heard a word.
The kids missed the other good buck two times. The bulls were taken in the modern.....and it's been long enough to score that pig.
Too bad he didn't just ask for forgiveness...
Post by: 724wd on November 16, 2015, 12:26:27 PM
Are guys talking about the thread with the trailcam on the wrong property and a masher buck was taken? Did the whole thread get taken down?Yikes
reminds me of another story on here where a member got nailed and lost his trophy but we haven't heard a word.
The kids missed the other good buck two times. The bulls were taken in the modern.....and it's been long enough to score that pig.
Too bad he didn't just ask for forgiveness...
parts of it are still up. but i heard the judgement has been made, but can't confirm if the penalty is what really happened.
Post by: dadeo316 on November 16, 2015, 12:50:35 PM
I think you guys may be reading into my message wrong. Not insulting anyone, just simply stating the facts. The guy shoots a 357 round that he custom loads. The cartridge is about 3 inches long. He has a 100yd and 200yd gun. He's extremely accurate at both yardages. There's video of the shot, the animal going down twice, and then turning and going towards the refuge but through a timber patch that has no fence or signage behind it to mark the property line. The guy who blocked the road the day before was acting like a fool telling some old guy he wasn't going to move because he was watching some elk, but it was a county road and he had no right to do that. The old guy is a friend of the land owner and want too happy. The guy had the outfitter info in the window of his truck, so he took it upon himself to call the authorities and tell them what he thought was going on. Like I said, from there, it was all by the books, minus the slip up on crossing the unmarked line. The bull was shot well within the private proprty. The feds wouldn't look at the video and didn't care about the recovery of the animal, and unfortunately the local authorities didn't have much to do with it since they were trumped in the situation. No permission was being given to go try and recover the bull. It has been in the past, but not this time!.357 herret in a TC Contender?
I really hope this helps people out. Regardless of past issues or your personal take on the outfitter, this is far from what everyone speculated.
As for the question, who am I? I'm a nobody. I'm just the guy with the facts, about this incedent, who loves killing elk and deer with his bow.
Don't forget guys, innocent until proven guilty!
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Post by: dadeo316 on November 16, 2015, 12:56:09 PM
FordTough,in his post describing what he says happened he says that the hunter was shooting a 357 pistol with cartridges about 3 inches long, even the 357 Maximum cartridge is only 2 inches long, so to be 3 inches long it would have to be a one off wildcat loading and a custom pistol. Seems odd to me.Thompson contender in .357 herret maybe? I have one.
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Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 16, 2015, 01:22:57 PM
The next morning the outfitter owner and guide went to recover the bull and briefly hit an unmarked portion of the refuge in their sweep of the area.
Gee, you'd think a good guide would have a GPS with the refuge co-ordinates plugged in so they wouldn't make that mistake.
Post by: motg9_6 on November 16, 2015, 04:10:26 PM
Post by: Blcktaildreamer on November 16, 2015, 06:19:54 PM
FordTough,in his post describing what he says happened he says that the hunter was shooting a 357 pistol with cartridges about 3 inches long, even the 357 Maximum cartridge is only 2 inches long, so to be 3 inches long it would have to be a one off wildcat loading and a custom pistol. Seems odd to me.Thompson contender in .357 herret maybe? I have one.
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My first thought was a herret. A very capable elk cartridge.
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