Post by: hogslayer on November 21, 2015, 06:09:47 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 21, 2015, 06:12:31 PM
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Post by: Curly on November 21, 2015, 06:14:57 PM
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Post by: kodiak 907 on November 21, 2015, 06:20:28 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 21, 2015, 06:22:20 PM
That's what I was going to say, well not the selfie, but I would have definitely pulled my camera.
Post by: KFhunter on November 21, 2015, 06:22:30 PM
Something sounds fishy here, they don't normally target one person.
Post by: billythekidrock on November 21, 2015, 06:24:51 PM
They set up a decoy 10 yards from your ATV?
Something sounds fishy here, they don't normally target one person.
I was wondering the same thing.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 21, 2015, 06:26:21 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 21, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
Decoy use is one of those things that need to be carefully utilized to prevent abuse.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 21, 2015, 06:31:36 PM
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Post by: hogslayer on November 21, 2015, 06:40:45 PM
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Post by: Schmalzfam on November 21, 2015, 07:01:37 PM
Such sweet guys to stay and look, even when the hunter wasn't there with them. ; )
On our way out, to our surprise (not) there was a nice buck, just standing where they were searching.
I often wonder how many people they got that night.
Post by: The Gobble-stopper on November 21, 2015, 07:06:02 PM
I didn't know it was illegal to to shoot deer targets after shooting hours....lol would have been tempted to blow it's head off for fun
I thought the same thing. The law only states that during the months of October and November during modern firearm deer and elk season, that you can not hunt deer, elk, bobcat, raccoon and coyote at night. Nothing said about target shooting. I have seen the mechanical deer on many occasions. And it is totally obvious it is a target.. Again, no where does it say you can not shoot a target... I would have to fight it in court, until the laws are changed.
Post by: bigtex on November 21, 2015, 07:07:57 PM
Shooting from a roadway...Shooting from a motor vehicle...Loaded firearm in a vehicle...Spotlighting...I didn't know it was illegal to to shoot deer targets after shooting hours....lol would have been tempted to blow it's head off for funI thought the same thing. The law only states that during the months of October and November during modern firearm deer and elk season, that you can not hunt deer, elk, bobcat, raccoon and coyote at night. Nothing said about target shooting. I have seen the mechanical deer on many occasions. And it is totally obvious it is a target.. Again, no where does it say you can not shoot a target... I would have to fight it in court, until the laws are changed.
All the above are potential violations in decoy operations.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 21, 2015, 07:15:18 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 21, 2015, 07:19:04 PM
Post by: Thehowler on November 21, 2015, 07:24:23 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 21, 2015, 07:32:01 PM
Shooting from a roadway...Shooting from a motor vehicle...Loaded firearm in a vehicle...Spotlighting...I didn't know it was illegal to to shoot deer targets after shooting hours....lol would have been tempted to blow it's head off for funI thought the same thing. The law only states that during the months of October and November during modern firearm deer and elk season, that you can not hunt deer, elk, bobcat, raccoon and coyote at night. Nothing said about target shooting. I have seen the mechanical deer on many occasions. And it is totally obvious it is a target.. Again, no where does it say you can not shoot a target... I would have to fight it in court, until the laws are changed.
All the above are potential violations in decoy operations.
As funny as it all is, we complain everyday about poachers, and all they are trying to do is catch some. I'm glad they are out there.
You may have missed my point, I support decoy use but at the same time it needs to be done above board and well clear of any entrapment type laws. Targeting a lone hunter not suspected of any wrong doing is getting a bit far out in the weeds.
One case of decoy abuse by WDFW going to court could seriously hamper any future decoy use, perhaps even get it shut down.
Post by: bigtex on November 21, 2015, 07:34:20 PM
You may have missed my point, I support decoy use but at the same time it needs to be done above board and well clear of any entrapment type laws. Targeting a lone hunter not suspected of any wrong doing is getting a bit far out in the weeds.It sounds like others would also see the decoy:
Someone driving the power line road would have also saw the deer.
Post by: Man Tracker on November 21, 2015, 07:45:35 PM
Post by: Elkrunner on November 21, 2015, 07:56:02 PM
As funny as it all is, we complain everyday about poachers, and all they are trying to do is catch some. I'm glad they are out there.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 21, 2015, 07:58:33 PM
Use of decoys made it to the Supreme Court years ago. No issues with entrapment as no one HAS to stop and shoot it. Lots of folks stop and take pictures. Heard of them attacked by guys with knives as well as baseball bats. Recently someone on the Van Zant Dyke shot one a hour before shooting hours. Those are the folks that need to be weeded out.Maybe no entrapment if you're using normal sized antlers. But slap on a rack from one of Bone's calendar deer and it might be a different case.
Post by: Man Tracker on November 21, 2015, 08:01:56 PM
Post by: grundy53 on November 21, 2015, 08:31:19 PM
Spot lighting isn't illegal. ???Shooting from a roadway...Shooting from a motor vehicle...Loaded firearm in a vehicle...Spotlighting...I didn't know it was illegal to to shoot deer targets after shooting hours....lol would have been tempted to blow it's head off for funI thought the same thing. The law only states that during the months of October and November during modern firearm deer and elk season, that you can not hunt deer, elk, bobcat, raccoon and coyote at night. Nothing said about target shooting. I have seen the mechanical deer on many occasions. And it is totally obvious it is a target.. Again, no where does it say you can not shoot a target... I would have to fight it in court, until the laws are changed.
All the above are potential violations in decoy operations.
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Post by: big wood on November 21, 2015, 08:32:56 PM
Post by: RB on November 21, 2015, 08:48:36 PM
As funny as it all is, we complain everyday about poachers, and all they are trying to do is catch some. I'm glad they are out there.:yeah:
Post by: Bango skank on November 21, 2015, 09:00:18 PM
As funny as it all is, we complain everyday about poachers, and all they are trying to do is catch some. I'm glad they are out there.
I think they shouldve been putting out forkhorn whitetail decoys out in 121 / 117 during the 2011-2014 seasons. In broad daylight, during season.
Post by: Bob33 on November 21, 2015, 09:18:43 PM
It is if they have firearms in the vehicle.Spot lighting isn't illegal. ???Shooting from a roadway...Shooting from a motor vehicle...Loaded firearm in a vehicle...Spotlighting...I didn't know it was illegal to to shoot deer targets after shooting hours....lol would have been tempted to blow it's head off for funI thought the same thing. The law only states that during the months of October and November during modern firearm deer and elk season, that you can not hunt deer, elk, bobcat, raccoon and coyote at night. Nothing said about target shooting. I have seen the mechanical deer on many occasions. And it is totally obvious it is a target.. Again, no where does it say you can not shoot a target... I would have to fight it in court, until the laws are changed.
All the above are potential violations in decoy operations.
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Post by: Special T on November 21, 2015, 09:21:53 PM
Post by: Curly on November 21, 2015, 09:25:09 PM
Its also not legal to spotlight during modern deer elk seasons.Really?
Post by: The Gobble-stopper on November 21, 2015, 09:28:15 PM
Post by: Special T on November 21, 2015, 09:28:55 PM
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Post by: The Gobble-stopper on November 21, 2015, 09:34:23 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 21, 2015, 09:56:48 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 21, 2015, 09:59:54 PM
Page 87 in the hunting pamphlet #11 says you cannot hunt any wildlife after legal hunting hours during modern deer and elk seasons. But a fake deer is not a deer or considered wildlife!
But someone shooting at a deer decoy THINKS it's a deer.
Post by: The Gobble-stopper on November 21, 2015, 10:15:44 PM
Page 87 in the hunting pamphlet #11 says you cannot hunt any wildlife after legal hunting hours during modern deer and elk seasons. But a fake deer is not a deer or considered wildlife!
But someone shooting at a deer decoy THINKS it's a deer. Maybe? The ones I saw were for sure a total fake decoy. But As the holes in the decoy show, there are some who think it is real. Yet You are still shooting a decoy not at a deer.. I suppose if you were married and you shoot your deer during season, during daylight hours and you were thinking it were your mother-in-law, then that makes it illegal? :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: lokidog on November 21, 2015, 10:24:09 PM
Page 87 in the hunting pamphlet #11 says you cannot hunt any wildlife after legal hunting hours during modern deer and elk seasons. But a fake deer is not a deer or considered wildlife!
But someone shooting at a deer decoy THINKS it's a deer.
Watch out for the thought police. "Hey, you are under arrest, I know you looked at this decoy, thinking maybe it was a real deer and you wanted to shoot it. Even if you didn't, you thought about it, off to jail with you, or just give us your gun and ATV and we'll call it good...." :bash: :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on November 21, 2015, 10:27:18 PM
http://lmtribune.com/better-not-stalk-the-fake-deer-high-court-says/article_dc599240-c694-550d-85eb-b082b9cc8ea3.html
As you can see it could be very easy for WDFW to abuse decoy use and loose it as a tool to catch poachers.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 21, 2015, 10:29:59 PM
Page 87 in the hunting pamphlet #11 says you cannot hunt any wildlife after legal hunting hours during modern deer and elk seasons. But a fake deer is not a deer or considered wildlife!
I believe they get you on intent, due to the fact you saw a deer then shot it. :dunno:
I believe decoys have there time, and place to be used. But this to me was not it in IMHFO. :twocents:
Post by: T-Dozzer on November 22, 2015, 01:12:46 AM
sIts also not legal to spotlight during modern deer elk seasons.Really?
:chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on November 22, 2015, 05:47:35 AM
My point was that it is illegal to hunt with the aid of artificial light. It is not illegal to just spot light. I agree you definitely shouldn't have a weapon with you if you are going to do it. However, I used to have a good family friend who was a sergeant for the WDFW (sadly, he passed away). He was telling me stories one day about some of the weird stuff he's come across and some of the most ingenuitive poachers he's caught. Anyway, it comes up in the conversation that it technically isn't illegal to have a weapon with you while spot lighting. He said you will definitely get a ticket but if you took it to court and had a decent lawyer you would beat the charge every time because for the charge to stick they would have to prove intent. Just having a weapon in the truck doesn't prove intent. Obviously it's smarter and cheaper to just not have a gun in the rig and way less headache. But for some reason his point always stuck with me so now whenever someone talks about spot lighting being illegal I always remember that story. Even if it is just a dumb technicality. :chuckle:It is if they have firearms in the vehicle.Spot lighting isn't illegal. ???Shooting from a roadway...Shooting from a motor vehicle...Loaded firearm in a vehicle...Spotlighting...I didn't know it was illegal to to shoot deer targets after shooting hours....lol would have been tempted to blow it's head off for funI thought the same thing. The law only states that during the months of October and November during modern firearm deer and elk season, that you can not hunt deer, elk, bobcat, raccoon and coyote at night. Nothing said about target shooting. I have seen the mechanical deer on many occasions. And it is totally obvious it is a target.. Again, no where does it say you can not shoot a target... I would have to fight it in court, until the laws are changed.
All the above are potential violations in decoy operations.
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Post by: grundy53 on November 22, 2015, 05:48:04 AM
Its also not legal to spotlight during modern deer elk seasons.Incorrect
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Post by: PolarBear on November 22, 2015, 06:12:21 AM
That's funny. They don't like it when you take selfies with the decoys either :chuckle:They also don't like it when you sneak in and hang beer cans off of it then sneak off undetected. :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on November 22, 2015, 06:16:07 AM
:chuckle:That's funny. They don't like it when you take selfies with the decoys either :chuckle:They also don't like it when you sneak in and hang beer cans off of it then sneak off undetected. :chuckle:
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Post by: Bob33 on November 22, 2015, 06:25:17 AM
I believe most judges consider the presence of firearms as sufficient proof of intent., but you could possibly convince one otherwise.My point was that it is illegal to hunt with the aid of artificial light. It is not illegal to just spot light. I agree you definitely shouldn't have a weapon with you if you are going to do it. However, I used to have a good family friend who was a sergeant for the WDFW (sadly, he passed away). He was telling me stories one day about some of the weird stuff he's come across and some of the most ingenuitive poachers he's caught. Anyway, it comes up in the conversation that it technically isn't illegal to have a weapon with you while spot lighting. He said you will definitely get a ticket but if you took it to court and had a decent lawyer you would beat the charge every time because for the charge to stick they would have to prove intent. Just having a weapon in the truck doesn't prove intent. Obviously it's smarter and cheaper to just not have a gun in the rig and way less headache. But for some reason his point always stuck with me so now whenever someone talks about spot lighting being illegal I always remember that story. Even if it is just a dumb technicality. :chuckle:It is if they have firearms in the vehicle.Spot lighting isn't illegal. ???Shooting from a roadway...Shooting from a motor vehicle...Loaded firearm in a vehicle...Spotlighting...I didn't know it was illegal to to shoot deer targets after shooting hours....lol would have been tempted to blow it's head off for funI thought the same thing. The law only states that during the months of October and November during modern firearm deer and elk season, that you can not hunt deer, elk, bobcat, raccoon and coyote at night. Nothing said about target shooting. I have seen the mechanical deer on many occasions. And it is totally obvious it is a target.. Again, no where does it say you can not shoot a target... I would have to fight it in court, until the laws are changed.
All the above are potential violations in decoy operations.
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Post by: grundy53 on November 22, 2015, 06:30:00 AM
Like I said this isn't my theory. The warden disagreed. He said the presence of a firearm doesn't prove intent. I do think it would be really stupid to have a firearm with you.I believe most judges consider the presence of firearms as sufficient proof of intent., but you could possibly convince one otherwise.My point was that it is illegal to hunt with the aid of artificial light. It is not illegal to just spot light. I agree you definitely shouldn't have a weapon with you if you are going to do it. However, I used to have a good family friend who was a sergeant for the WDFW (sadly, he passed away). He was telling me stories one day about some of the weird stuff he's come across and some of the most ingenuitive poachers he's caught. Anyway, it comes up in the conversation that it technically isn't illegal to have a weapon with you while spot lighting. He said you will definitely get a ticket but if you took it to court and had a decent lawyer you would beat the charge every time because for the charge to stick they would have to prove intent. Just having a weapon in the truck doesn't prove intent. Obviously it's smarter and cheaper to just not have a gun in the rig and way less headache. But for some reason his point always stuck with me so now whenever someone talks about spot lighting being illegal I always remember that story. Even if it is just a dumb technicality. :chuckle:It is if they have firearms in the vehicle.Spot lighting isn't illegal. ???Shooting from a roadway...Shooting from a motor vehicle...Loaded firearm in a vehicle...Spotlighting...I didn't know it was illegal to to shoot deer targets after shooting hours....lol would have been tempted to blow it's head off for funI thought the same thing. The law only states that during the months of October and November during modern firearm deer and elk season, that you can not hunt deer, elk, bobcat, raccoon and coyote at night. Nothing said about target shooting. I have seen the mechanical deer on many occasions. And it is totally obvious it is a target.. Again, no where does it say you can not shoot a target... I would have to fight it in court, until the laws are changed.
All the above are potential violations in decoy operations.
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Post by: bwhntr350 on November 22, 2015, 07:15:59 AM
My friend, who did not shoot, got a ticket for not wearing his required orange. The shooter got hit with over $700 in fines and damages to the decoy. I think they got him for no orange and shooting a firearm from a right of way. The largest part of the ticket was the damage to the decoy.
My friend has no ill feelings about it. He said they done wrong and had nothing to complain about.
Post by: PolarBear on November 22, 2015, 08:18:03 AM
As funny as it all is, we complain everyday about poachers, and all they are trying to do is catch some. I'm glad they are out there.:yeah:
We need more of them!
Post by: ELKBURGER on November 22, 2015, 08:20:21 AM
:yeah:X2As funny as it all is, we complain everyday about poachers, and all they are trying to do is catch some. I'm glad they are out there.:yeah:
We need more of them!
Post by: The Gobble-stopper on November 22, 2015, 08:23:53 AM
Can I hunt bobcat, raccoon or coyote at night with a spotlight?
You can hunt bobcat, raccoon, or coyote at night with a spotlight during their open seasons. However, you cannot hunt them with a spotlight during September, October, or November in any area open to a modern firearm deer or elk season.
Post by: grundy53 on November 22, 2015, 08:26:45 AM
Just pulled this off the WDFW web sight. Someone asked them about the spotlighting. Here is their answer!It says that in the regs too.
Can I hunt bobcat, raccoon or coyote at night with a spotlight?
You can hunt bobcat, raccoon, or coyote at night with a spotlight during their open seasons. However, you cannot hunt them with a spotlight during September, October, or November in any area open to a modern firearm deer or elk season.
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Post by: hogslayer on November 22, 2015, 11:08:19 AM
Post by: floatinghat on November 22, 2015, 11:55:48 AM
Dang! Out of all places I wouldn't really expect em to be using a decoy in the Belfair area. I'm not asking for your super secret hunting spot, I'm just curious where abouts this was? Good for you for following the rules!
Why not, I have seen my share of marginal activity in the Belfair area (most have been fishing related). Like anywhere there is a meat on the table damn the rules percentage.
Post by: Piscatory_5 on November 22, 2015, 06:58:21 PM
That's funny. They don't like it when you take selfies with the decoys either :chuckle:If like to see some of those.
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I wonder if you announced you were going to shoot the hell out of the decoy I unless you wardens come out of hiding. Then pump 3 rounds of 00 buckshot into it. Do they record everything during the sting operations?
Post by: Elkrunner on November 23, 2015, 06:24:48 AM
That's funny. They don't like it when you take selfies with the decoys either :chuckle:If like to see some of those.
😈
I wonder if you announced you were going to shoot the hell out of the decoy I unless you wardens come out of hiding. Then pump 3 rounds of 00 buckshot into it. Do they record everything during the sting operations?
Honestly, I do not see the point as to why you would want to shoot the decoy. In my opinion you are being part of the problem when doing that. It's just childish on a certain level.
Post by: Shank on November 23, 2015, 07:22:01 AM
We all have been driving down a FS road heading back to camp at night and have seeing legal animal cross the road, or been right off the road. Stopped whipped out the lights to just get a better look, with ZERO intent of shooting, only intent was to see the animal and plan for the morning.....how is that wrong?
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Post by: birddogdad on November 23, 2015, 07:36:06 AM
As funny as it all is, we complain everyday about poachers, and all they are trying to do is catch some. I'm glad they are out there.
sure thing BA, honest is honest... however, setting a decoy within 10 yds of car, an atv, ect.. to my mind is a complete attempt to setup someone.. in this case OP. If they had prior complaints or intel toward acts then that would be different....... no film crew for TV show, maybe because if they did film it would have not held up in court by this reasoning (if OP had unloaded on it)
many years ago, PA/ NY state had decoys that were equipped with headgear qualifying as trophy bucks, several thrown out court cases due to this entrapment concept ..... now they use small rack, plain bucks to hook poachers back east...
there is walking the line and then there is this.... BAD FORM by wdfw (IMO) on this kind of very pointed sting, this warden was after THIS hunter period and that is NOT how they are supposed to operate, again, unless they had some intel and complaints on this or some ATV afterhours shooting in the area prior to setup...
Post by: Bob33 on November 23, 2015, 07:51:36 AM
So define spotlighting please.Using a spotlight with firearms/archery gear in the vehicle will get you cited.
We all have been driving down a FS road heading back to camp at night and have seeing legal animal cross the road, or been right off the road. Stopped whipped out the lights to just get a better look, with ZERO intent of shooting, only intent was to see the animal and plan for the morning.....how is that wrong?
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wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/78/Is+it+legal+to+spotlight+big+game+if+no+hunting+equipment+is+in+my+vehicle%3F+ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/78/Is+it+legal+to+spotlight+big+game+if+no+hunting+equipment+is+in+my+vehicle%3F+)
It is legal to spotlight big game if no hunting equipment is in your vehicle. However, if you have any firearms, archery equipment, or crossbows in your vehicle, whether or not they meet legal hunting requirements, you are considered to be hunting.
It is illegal to hunt big game with the aid of an artificial light or spotlight.
It is illegal to use any vehicle to pursue, concentrate, or harass wild animals or wild birds.
WDFW recommends hunters do not spotlight big game at any time.
Post by: h20hunter on November 23, 2015, 08:02:39 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on November 23, 2015, 08:49:56 AM
Maybe cops should sit at sasquach concert and hold up a cardboard sign that says MDMA for sale and bust everyone who pulls out cash and shows intent to purchase.
Maybe they should send divers down and fill crab pots with more keepers than a person can have and watch them pull it to see if they make the right choice.
If we think of other forms of this it could start to sound a little messed up, but I am glad they're getting poachers. I'm more concerned about fair and equal laws than poaching though.
Post by: westsidehntr on November 23, 2015, 09:08:49 AM
I would prefer that LEOs were placing 10K in cash on the seat of a car and leaving it around Seattle. Better targeting would be to leave it in South Seattle somewhere with a super realistic airsoft gun left on the seat.
Maybe cops should sit at sasquach concert and hold up a cardboard sign that says MDMA for sale and bust everyone who pulls out cash and shows intent to purchase.
Maybe they should send divers down and fill crab pots with more keepers than a person can have and watch them pull it to see if they make the right choice.
If we think of other forms of this it could start to sound a little messed up, but I am glad they're getting poachers. I'm more concerned about fair and equal laws than poaching though.
:yeah:
If it is illegal to leave your car warming up on the street unattended because it is an enticing opportunity for thieves, how is it legal for WDFW to entice would be poachers?
Post by: bobcat on November 23, 2015, 09:12:47 AM
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Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 23, 2015, 09:57:11 AM
I would prefer that LEOs were placing 10K in cash on the seat of a car and leaving it around Seattle. Better targeting would be to leave it in South Seattle somewhere with a super realistic airsoft gun left on the seat.
Maybe cops should sit at sasquach concert and hold up a cardboard sign that says MDMA for sale and bust everyone who pulls out cash and shows intent to purchase.
Maybe they should send divers down and fill crab pots with more keepers than a person can have and watch them pull it to see if they make the right choice.
If we think of other forms of this it could start to sound a little messed up, but I am glad they're getting poachers. I'm more concerned about fair and equal laws than poaching though.
:yeah:
If it is illegal to leave your car warming up on the street unattended because it is an enticing opportunity for thieves, how is it legal for WDFW to entice would be poachers?
Interesting point of view. And a good question.
My answer would be that it shouldn't be illegal to leave your car unlocked with the keys in them. (it might be stupid, but shouldn't be illegal) Making the victims responsible for the perpetrators' actions is ridiculous. It's the same thing as saying a rape victim is responsible because she wore a short skirt, or she went into a biker bar. You don't make people responsible for their own actions by blaming someone else.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 23, 2015, 10:27:46 AM
Post by: Bob33 on November 23, 2015, 10:29:35 AM
I want to see one so I can take a selfie. LOLMake sure you notch and attach your tag first, and be sure to wear orange. :tup:
Post by: Curly on November 23, 2015, 10:30:56 AM
Post by: westsidehntr on November 23, 2015, 10:32:08 AM
I agree, it shouldn't be illegal to warm up your car. But it is, and I'd like to hear bigtex thoughts on this.I would prefer that LEOs were placing 10K in cash on the seat of a car and leaving it around Seattle. Better targeting would be to leave it in South Seattle somewhere with a super realistic airsoft gun left on the seat.
Maybe cops should sit at sasquach concert and hold up a cardboard sign that says MDMA for sale and bust everyone who pulls out cash and shows intent to purchase.
Maybe they should send divers down and fill crab pots with more keepers than a person can have and watch them pull it to see if they make the right choice.
If we think of other forms of this it could start to sound a little messed up, but I am glad they're getting poachers. I'm more concerned about fair and equal laws than poaching though.
:yeah:
If it is illegal to leave your car warming up on the street unattended because it is an enticing opportunity for thieves, how is it legal for WDFW to entice would be poachers?
Interesting point of view. And a good question.
My answer would be that it shouldn't be illegal to leave your car unlocked with the keys in them. (it might be stupid, but shouldn't be illegal) Making the victims responsible for the perpetrators' actions is ridiculous. It's the same thing as saying a rape victim is responsible because she wore a short skirt, or she went into a biker bar. You don't make people responsible for their own actions by blaming someone else.
I do feel like bait cars, decoy setups, etc, are stupid. Prosecute real crimes, don't create them.
Post by: hogslayer on November 23, 2015, 10:41:42 AM
Post by: KFhunter on November 23, 2015, 11:01:55 AM
I'm glad they're using the decoys to catch law breakers, I only wish they would use the method more outside of hunting seasons than they do during hunting season. Seems they would catch more of the hard core poachers rather than just some hunter who gets excited and shoots 3 minutes after legal hunting hours.
:yeah: a hard core poacher isn't going to wait for hunting season to do their deed.
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Post by: Bob33 on November 23, 2015, 10:03:40 PM
Guess you learn something new everyday. There is a sewage plant next to wherein hunt so they could have called me in for spot lighting. Every night on my way home I shine my head lamp on the sides of the road in the brush to see where the deer are coming out from. Didn't know it was illegal. More just a scouting tactic for the morning.Unless you have firearms in the vehicle it is not illegal. Shine away.
Post by: Piscatory_5 on November 23, 2015, 10:39:22 PM
It was meant to be tongue in cheek.That's funny. They don't like it when you take selfies with the decoys either :chuckle:If like to see some of those.
😈
I wonder if you announced you were going to shoot the hell out of the decoy I unless you wardens come out of hiding. Then pump 3 rounds of 00 buckshot into it. Do they record everything during the sting operations?
Honestly, I do not see the point as to why you would want to shoot the decoy. In my opinion you are being part of the problem when doing that. It's just childish on a certain level.
Post by: Landowner on November 24, 2015, 07:06:15 AM
Post by: hogslayer on November 24, 2015, 07:52:00 AM
Guess you learn something new everyday. There is a sewage plant next to wherein hunt so they could have called me in for spot lighting. Every night on my way home I shine my head lamp on the sides of the road in the brush to see where the deer are coming out from. Didn't know it was illegal. More just a scouting tactic for the morning.Unless you have firearms in the vehicle it is not illegal. Shine away.
I am sure they would count on the front of the ATV the same as being in a vehicle?
Post by: bobcat on November 24, 2015, 08:30:00 AM
I am sure they would count on the front of the ATV the same as being in a vehicle?
Yes, of course. You're in possession of a firearm and you're spotlighting, so that equals hunting with an artificial light (even if you're really not).
Post by: Tom Tamer on November 26, 2015, 08:05:17 AM
Post by: Falcon on November 26, 2015, 01:46:02 PM
As funny as it all is, we complain everyday about poachers, and all they are trying to do is catch some. I'm glad they are out there.
:yeah:
Post by: muledeer78 on November 26, 2015, 04:03:21 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 26, 2015, 04:17:18 PM
Post by: Curly on November 26, 2015, 04:18:22 PM
Post by: Bob33 on November 26, 2015, 04:18:30 PM
I've heard that you could spot light, just not during deer or elk seasons. You can hunt for coyotes at night?You can spot light during deer and elk seasons.
Post by: KFhunter on November 26, 2015, 04:28:19 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/78/Is+it+legal+to+spotlight+big+game+if+no+hunting+equipment+is+in+my+vehicle%3F+
Post by: grundy53 on November 28, 2015, 01:37:45 PM
What about racoons?
You can hunt raccoons at night.
Post by: spin05 on November 29, 2015, 02:49:02 PM
Post by: huntinguy on November 30, 2015, 11:35:15 AM
Shooting from a roadway...Shooting from a motor vehicle...Loaded firearm in a vehicle...Spotlighting...I didn't know it was illegal to to shoot deer targets after shooting hours....lol would have been tempted to blow it's head off for funI thought the same thing. The law only states that during the months of October and November during modern firearm deer and elk season, that you can not hunt deer, elk, bobcat, raccoon and coyote at night. Nothing said about target shooting. I have seen the mechanical deer on many occasions. And it is totally obvious it is a target.. Again, no where does it say you can not shoot a target... I would have to fight it in court, until the laws are changed.
All the above are potential violations in decoy operations.
well, unless you are shooting archery, it is only "reckless" shooting from a roadway that will get you in trouble... and ... there is a legal definition for "reckless." Not sure how headlights would be "spotlighting"... maybe if you were using them to illuminate the target... but....
Duck hunters shoot from a motor vehicle with great regularity. It is only if the motor is running are you a foul of the law.
Now, I do agree that a loaded firearm would be problematic...
Post by: TeacherMan on November 30, 2015, 02:00:59 PM
Post by: Tbar on November 30, 2015, 09:29:34 PM
I had a gamie tell me once they are not allowed to use "trophy" class bucks? Why is that? Seems like theyd want to toss out a 170" whitetail.I don't know what is considered a trophy by definition of the law but the blacktail decoy they use has a huge rack. (140 class buck) It's kinda ugly to take selfies with though.
Post by: Bob33 on November 30, 2015, 09:36:34 PM
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?Cite=77.15.420I had a gamie tell me once they are not allowed to use "trophy" class bucks? Why is that? Seems like theyd want to toss out a 170" whitetail.I don't know what is considered a trophy by definition of the law but the blacktail decoy they use has a huge rack. (140 class buck) It's kinda ugly to take selfies with though.
(2)(a) For the purpose of this section a "trophy animal" is:
(i) A buck deer with four or more antler points on both sides, not including eyeguards;
Post by: Tbar on November 30, 2015, 09:40:27 PM
I think it's a 3x4. Is that true bob? They can't use a "by definition" trophy?http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?Cite=77.15.420I had a gamie tell me once they are not allowed to use "trophy" class bucks? Why is that? Seems like theyd want to toss out a 170" whitetail.I don't know what is considered a trophy by definition of the law but the blacktail decoy they use has a huge rack. (140 class buck) It's kinda ugly to take selfies with though.
(2)(a) For the purpose of this section a "trophy animal" is:
(i) A buck deer with four or more antler points on both sides, not including eyeguards;
Post by: Bob33 on November 30, 2015, 09:46:41 PM
The word "trophy" may mean different things to different people. That RCW addresses fines for illegally killed animals that meet certain definitions. A 3x4 would not be considered a "trophy" per the RCW.I think it's a 3x4. Is that true bob? They can't use a "by definition" trophy?http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?Cite=77.15.420I had a gamie tell me once they are not allowed to use "trophy" class bucks? Why is that? Seems like theyd want to toss out a 170" whitetail.I don't know what is considered a trophy by definition of the law but the blacktail decoy they use has a huge rack. (140 class buck) It's kinda ugly to take selfies with though.
(2)(a) For the purpose of this section a "trophy animal" is:
(i) A buck deer with four or more antler points on both sides, not including eyeguards;
Post by: JJB11B on December 01, 2015, 04:38:01 AM
I wonder how long it would take to bust someone around Enumclaw for "crimes against nature" with a deer decoy. :dunno:Didn't that guy die? lol
Post by: follow maggie on December 01, 2015, 09:38:31 PM
Post by: Little Dave on December 01, 2015, 11:11:43 PM
Clearly both law enforcement and folks with "intent" need this spelled out.
Post by: PolarBear on December 02, 2015, 12:03:30 AM
Ken Pinion. :chuckle: Died from a perforated colon. :yike:I wonder how long it would take to bust someone around Enumclaw for "crimes against nature" with a deer decoy. :dunno:Didn't that guy die? lol
Post by: JDHasty on December 05, 2015, 09:01:36 PM
Didn't pull the trigger. Still would not have pulled the trigger if we still needed meat.
The deer would have, with a 50% chance of it, because of how it was standing, bolted 75 yards and 25 of those onto property owned by a man who is totally unreasonable and I would have had to call the WDFW Enforcement to try and convince him to let me retrieve it. Been there and done that when another hunter had a deer get just onto the jerk's property after he double lunged it with a compound.
It is a matter of feet that makes the difference between having another day of good memories in the field and cursing the decision to listen to the devil whispering in your ear. Glad you did not move to take that deer.
That being said: To set up right next to your parked ATV is not what WDFW Enforcement wants to do if they think about it. Most people are honest and this is not the way to make friends. There are enough poachers out there who went into the field with bad intentions, they don't need to try to bait someone in to being stupid. The isolated stupid decision we can have a degree of empathy for, those who set out to poach wildlife, on the other hand, not so much.
Without sportsmen who are sympathetic to their job, and are "Eyes IN The Woods" they would be all but impotent. They don't need a "cheap" conviction nearly as much as they need us on their side. Each and every one of us is potentially the tip that could bring down a real bad actor.
Post by: hogslayer on December 06, 2015, 08:27:49 PM
Post by: bigtex on December 06, 2015, 08:39:10 PM
The weird thing about it was that i had called WDFW and DNR that morning to report illegal brush picking and cutting down of tree's. I told them right where they were and even offered to show them. There was about 15 people climbing trees and cutting all of the limbs off right in my hunting spot. They knew it was hunting season so they were yelling every 5 minutes to scare people/deer away. I was trying to help out, and in turn got set up 5 hrs later?Who's land were the brush pickers on?
If it's not DNR land then DNR has no authority regarding it. Per state law, the sheriff's office is the lead agency in enforcing forest product laws.
Post by: hogslayer on December 06, 2015, 09:26:07 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on December 07, 2015, 05:40:48 AM
It's was DNR land.
How do you know they were brush picking illegally?
Post by: hogslayer on December 07, 2015, 01:48:24 PM
Post by: JJB11B on December 08, 2015, 06:50:37 PM
Friend of yours? Sorry, but how did you know his name and what exactly killed him besides a horse....Ken Pinion. :chuckle: Died from a perforated colon. :yike:I wonder how long it would take to bust someone around Enumclaw for "crimes against nature" with a deer decoy. :dunno:Didn't that guy die? lol
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 09, 2015, 08:49:19 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 09, 2015, 08:55:57 AM
Would it be illegal to floor the accelerator and run over the thing?
Probably. I'd guess it would be considered animal cruelty. I remember a few years ago someone here in Thurston county was charged with animal cruelty for running over a possum in the road. :rolleyes:
Post by: dadeo316 on December 09, 2015, 08:57:54 AM
But it was a fake animal. Maybe it would be fake animal abuse???Would it be illegal to floor the accelerator and run over the thing?
Probably. I'd guess it would be considered animal cruelty. I remember a few years ago someone here in Thurston county was charged with animal cruelty for running over a possum in the road. :rolleyes:
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Post by: lokidog on December 09, 2015, 09:13:24 AM
First thin was when they saw me they started running. Second was they were cutting down trees. So I called and asked if they gave out permits to do that, and they didn't so then I told them what was going on.
Could be the deer was set up to try to get these folks, as everyone pretty much knows that many brush pickers, especially the not so up and up ones, probably take a deer or two w/o tags? This would put them right on your location since, I am assuming, you had given it to the State.
:dunno: