Post by: grundy53 on November 24, 2015, 11:45:56 AM
http://www.fws.gov/news/ShowNews.cfm?ID=3A72EB23-A4B7-EDB5-C7BD1CE75668DED6
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Post by: boneaddict on November 24, 2015, 11:47:05 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 24, 2015, 11:59:14 AM
Post by: Bango skank on November 24, 2015, 12:04:50 PM
Post by: grundy53 on November 24, 2015, 12:09:46 PM
LolI thought you would like this. :chuckle:
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Post by: bobcat on November 24, 2015, 12:16:17 PM
That makes it sound like they are trying to hide the fact that there is another pack.
It takes time and a lot of work by the biologists to officially confirm a pack. Don't they have to actually have proof of a pair of wolves with a litter of pups?
From the article:
Quote
Following up on a cluster of public wolf sightings in north-central Washington, WDFW, working in coordination with USDA Wildlife Services and the Service, identified a group of wolves previously undocumented in the area. Further investigation, including ground surveys, confirmed the presence and consistent use of the area by multiple wolves.
Post by: boneaddict on November 24, 2015, 12:17:28 PM
Its really hard to take these guys seriously
Post by: MtnMuley on November 24, 2015, 12:20:47 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 24, 2015, 12:24:35 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 24, 2015, 12:27:24 PM
If you don't think "finally admitting" isn't a correct analysis, then you have issues......oh, wait............... ;)
No I sure don't think it's correct. They can't just take a few wolf sightings reported by the general public and call it a pack. Try to spin it that way if you like, but reasonable people aren't going to buy into these kinds of conspiracy theories. A little common sense goes a long way.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 24, 2015, 12:33:20 PM
There's pack and there's confirmed pack-breeding pair. A pack is just two or more wolves together. So local anecdotal evidence isn't really a conspiracy theory.If you don't think "finally admitting" isn't a correct analysis, then you have issues......oh, wait............... ;)
No I sure don't think it's correct. They can't just take a few wolf sightings reported by the general public and call it a pack. Try to spin it that way if you like, but reasonable people aren't going to buy into these kinds of conspiracy theories. A little common sense goes a long way.
Post by: bobcat on November 24, 2015, 12:34:44 PM
Post by: X-Force on November 24, 2015, 12:40:08 PM
If you don't think "finally admitting" isn't a correct analysis, then you have issues......oh, wait............... ;)
No I sure don't think it's correct. They can't just take a few wolf sightings reported by the general public and call it a pack. Try to spin it that way if you like, but reasonable people aren't going to buy into these kinds of conspiracy theories. A little common sense goes a long way.
:tup:
With everyone being to quick to jump on H-W and dis WDFW maybe get out their where these other "packs" are and setup trail cameras, do some hiking get photographs of animals and send them in. WDFW doesnt have a wolf task force out there to find every single animal and ever pack. If concerned hunters did the leg work and provided them documentation and not hearsay we could get things moving. I believe that every wolfpack on the eastern slope has been documented (trail cameras/photos) by private individuals before WDFW has confirmed the pack.
Post by: X-Force on November 24, 2015, 12:40:47 PM
This is a confirmed pack. Which means a breeding pair.
That is incorrect.
2014 there were 14 or something packs and only 5 breeding pairs
Post by: boneaddict on November 24, 2015, 12:41:50 PM
Post by: grundy53 on November 24, 2015, 12:47:15 PM
:bdid: for me to engage in this conversation I think.I think you should. You are one of the more knowledgeable people when it comes to the Methow valley.
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Post by: bobcat on November 24, 2015, 12:48:47 PM
This is a confirmed pack. Which means a breeding pair.
That is incorrect.
2014 there were 14 or something packs and only 5 breeding pairs
Okay, thanks. Wasn't 100% sure on that but I always thought to count as one of the required packs for eventual federal delisting, that a "pack" had to consist of a breeding pair.
Either way, the fact remains that it takes biologists a lot of time and work before they can officially confirm the presence of a wolf pack in a particular area.
Post by: idahohuntr on November 24, 2015, 03:19:13 PM
:yeah:If you don't think "finally admitting" isn't a correct analysis, then you have issues......oh, wait............... ;)
No I sure don't think it's correct. They can't just take a few wolf sightings reported by the general public and call it a pack. Try to spin it that way if you like, but reasonable people aren't going to buy into these kinds of conspiracy theories. A little common sense goes a long way.
:tup:
With everyone being to quick to jump on H-W and dis WDFW maybe get out their where these other "packs" are and setup trail cameras, do some hiking get photographs of animals and send them in. WDFW doesnt have a wolf task force out there to find every single animal and ever pack. If concerned hunters did the leg work and provided them documentation and not hearsay we could get things moving. I believe that every wolfpack on the eastern slope has been documented (trail cameras/photos) by private individuals before WDFW has confirmed the pack.
Post by: wolfbait on November 24, 2015, 05:17:32 PM
:bdid: for me to engage in this conversation I think.
X2, not worth the time of day Bone. I wonder, will their heads ever pop out? :dunno:
Post by: Special T on November 24, 2015, 05:20:33 PM
Bobcat not so sure your statement is gona carry water on this argument. Especially if your gona argue with some one who has spent tons of time in the valley and used to live there.
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Post by: MtnMuley on November 24, 2015, 05:23:01 PM
:bdid: for me to engage in this conversation I think.
X2, not worth the time of day Bone. I wonder, will their heads ever pop out? :dunno:
X3, same "groupies" every time. Not worth any of our time. A little common sense goes a long ways...........wow
Post by: rtspring on November 24, 2015, 05:27:01 PM
:bdid: for me to engage in this conversation I think.
X2, not worth the time of day Bone. I wonder, will their heads ever pop out? :dunno:
X3, same "groupies" every time. Not worth any of our time. A little common sense goes a long ways...........wow
X4 leave now while u can Mtnmuley
Post by: bobcat on November 24, 2015, 05:36:17 PM
If you pay attention to the news releases put out by the WDFW, you'd know that they often admit that there likely are many wolves that they either don't know about yet or just don't yet have the data to officially confirm.
From a news release last March:
Quote
Martorello noted that the number of confirmed successful breeding pairs in the annual wolf survey has remained the same for the past three years, despite a significant increase in the number of individual wolves. Since 2012, WDFW has documented a total of five breeding pairs between the Eastern Washington and North Cascades recovery regions.
"Given the continued growth of the state's wolf population, there's a good chance that we have breeding pairs east of the Cascade Range we haven't found yet," he said.
Post by: Naches Sportsman on November 24, 2015, 05:46:15 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 24, 2015, 05:52:06 PM
You are missing a key point bobcat-politics. Conservation NW and other clubs have a big say in things, but more importantly it is who is in charge at the wdfw office in Olympia.
I don't understand what you're saying.
All I'm saying is that we can't automatically assume that it's the WDFW's or USFWS's intent to try to lie about the actual number of wolves and where those wolves are located. Could it be that sometimes they just DON'T KNOW? Kind of like they don't have a clue as to how many cougars are in this state. Or deer. Or elk. They just don't know. Everything the government does is not always a conspiracy.
Post by: Bango skank on November 24, 2015, 05:54:04 PM
You are missing a key point bobcat-politics. Conservation NW and other clubs have a big say in things, but more importantly it is who is in charge at the wdfw office in Olympia.
I don't understand what you're saying.
All I'm saying is that we can't automatically assume that it's the WDFW's or USFWS's intent to try to lie about the actual number of wolves and where those wolves are located. Could it be that sometimes they just DON'T KNOW? Kind of like they don't have a clue as to how many cougars are in this state. Or deer. Or elk. They just don't know. Everything the government does is not always a conspiracy.
Yeah, a lot of times its just good old fashioned incompetence. :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on November 24, 2015, 05:55:20 PM
You are missing a key point bobcat-politics. Conservation NW and other clubs have a big say in things, but more importantly it is who is in charge at the wdfw office in Olympia.
I don't understand what you're saying.
All I'm saying is that we can't automatically assume that it's the WDFW's or USFWS's intent to try to lie about the actual number of wolves and where those wolves are located. Could it be that sometimes they just DON'T KNOW? Kind of like they don't have a clue as to how many cougars are in this state. Or deer. Or elk. They just don't know. Everything the government does is not always a conspiracy.
Yeah, a lot of times its just good old fashioned incompetence. :chuckle:
Now that I can't argue with. You can call it that if you wish.
Post by: Bigshooter on November 24, 2015, 06:02:01 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 24, 2015, 06:11:28 PM
I agree with bobcat. WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state. But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there. Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines. Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.
Post by: idahohuntr on November 24, 2015, 06:55:26 PM
I agree with bobcat. WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state. But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there. Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines. Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.
They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest. Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years. It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though. Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation. It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.
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Post by: villageidiot on November 24, 2015, 07:02:43 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 24, 2015, 07:07:37 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on November 24, 2015, 07:13:11 PM
I agree with bobcat. WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state. But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there. Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines. Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.
They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest. Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years. It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though. Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation. It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.
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Post by: GameHunter1959 on November 24, 2015, 07:29:42 PM
I agree with bobcat. WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state. But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there. Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines. Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.
They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest. Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years. It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though. Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation. It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.
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I had a long conversation with the Game Warden and Biologist over in Wenas, during elk season about wolves. They both said the WSDFW are aware of several un-confirmed packs in Washington. It will take time to collect all the required data, but they will confirm ASAP. Both told us that they were not in support of wolf reintroduction back into Washington, because of all the political elements that come with wolves. They were very upfront and honest and did not dodge any of the questions we asked. 2cents
Post by: Special T on November 24, 2015, 08:03:28 PM
I'm not sure why living in a particular area has much to do with it. The fact is it takes time (and money) to confirm wolf packs. To continue to put forth the idea that some governmental agency is attempting to deny the existence of wolves in a particular area gets old.
If you pay attention to the news releases put out by the WDFW, you'd know that they often admit that there likely are many wolves that they either don't know about yet or just don't yet have the data to officially confirm.
From a news release last March:QuoteMartorello noted that the number of confirmed successful breeding pairs in the annual wolf survey has remained the same for the past three years, despite a significant increase in the number of individual wolves. Since 2012, WDFW has documented a total of five breeding pairs between the Eastern Washington and North Cascades recovery regions.
"Given the continued growth of the state's wolf population, there's a good chance that we have breeding pairs east of the Cascade Range we haven't found yet," he said.
When time, dates, pictures and offers to SHOW where wolves are are scoffed at its hard to give the department the benefit of the doubt. I think the old saying is you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.
Post by: bobcat on November 24, 2015, 08:05:40 PM
I'm not sure why living in a particular area has much to do with it. The fact is it takes time (and money) to confirm wolf packs. To continue to put forth the idea that some governmental agency is attempting to deny the existence of wolves in a particular area gets old.
If you pay attention to the news releases put out by the WDFW, you'd know that they often admit that there likely are many wolves that they either don't know about yet or just don't yet have the data to officially confirm.
From a news release last March:QuoteMartorello noted that the number of confirmed successful breeding pairs in the annual wolf survey has remained the same for the past three years, despite a significant increase in the number of individual wolves. Since 2012, WDFW has documented a total of five breeding pairs between the Eastern Washington and North Cascades recovery regions.
"Given the continued growth of the state's wolf population, there's a good chance that we have breeding pairs east of the Cascade Range we haven't found yet," he said.
When time, dates, pictures and offers to SHOW where wolves are are scoffed at its hard to give the department the benefit of the doubt. I think the old saying is you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.
Well, I guess I just don't believe that they scoff at anything. Unless there is a good reason for doing so.
Post by: Special T on November 24, 2015, 08:09:46 PM
Post by: X-Force on November 24, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
Well they have scoffed at members of my archery club who have done what i just described with wolves and Griz. So if you doubt thier holy intentions then you dont reside in the same reality I do.
I have a hard time believing guys who say they have evidence when they never have photos. And if you know guys with photos post them up here if wolves are in their hunting areas they shouldn't worry about guys wanting to hunt those areas because game animals will disappear... Right?
. I haven't met a WDFW bio who wouldn't want game cam pictures of wolves, griz, wolverine, etc with GPS coordinates. Bios want information, data, ect. That's what their job is, they have far more to benefit from discovering new packs, animals etc then they do from hiding anything.
Conservation NW wants more packs, they want to be able to say animals are in the granite falls area or st. Helen's monument. they don't care to hide any info because when animals become delisted and eligible to hunt they will just launch a PR campaign and file law suits.
Post by: Special T on November 24, 2015, 08:35:04 PM
If it makes you feel better you can call me a liar or that i wear a :tinfoil: But the fact is that the Department only pushes the narrative they are told/want to. You would think that when you offer up to shoot the said hybrid so that they can DNA test it you might get thier attention... Sadly this is not the case.
Post by: wheels on November 24, 2015, 11:17:30 PM
Post by: jdb on November 25, 2015, 04:31:30 AM
not sure which bio you talked to but the local guy is a clown. And as far as talking to game wardens they will tell you what they think you want to hear so take whT they say with huge helpings of saltI agree with bobcat. WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state. But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there. Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines. Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.
They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest. Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years. It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though. Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation. It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.
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I had a long conversation with the Game Warden and Biologist over in Wenas, during elk season about wolves. They both said the WSDFW are aware of several un-confirmed packs in Washington. It will take time to collect all the required data, but they will confirm ASAP. Both told us that they were not in support of wolf reintroduction back into Washington, because of all the political elements that come with wolves. They were very upfront and honest and did not dodge any of the questions we asked. 2cents
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 25, 2015, 08:08:21 AM
I'm not sure "finally admitting" there is another wolf pack is the proper terminology to use.
That makes it sound like they are trying to hide the fact that there is another pack.
It takes time and a lot of work by the biologists to officially confirm a pack. Don't they have to actually have proof of a pair of wolves with a litter of pups?
From the article:QuoteFollowing up on a cluster of public wolf sightings in north-central Washington, WDFW, working in coordination with USDA Wildlife Services and the Service, identified a group of wolves previously undocumented in the area. Further investigation, including ground surveys, confirmed the presence and consistent use of the area by multiple wolves.
It seems obvious they purposely stall on listing packs. This has been going on for 5 years. It's precisely why a thread for wolf reporting was started. People are told they're seeing coyotes, or the kills are cougars or coyotes, when all of the people who live there know exactly what it is.
Post by: idahohuntr on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 PM
Neither. Assistant director, game division mgr, large carnivore manager...senior wildlife staff. If the gal answering the phone or some local crony is giving these bs answers talk to folks higher up.not sure which bio you talked to but the local guy is a clown. And as far as talking to game wardens they will tell you what they think you want to hear so take whT they say with huge helpings of saltI agree with bobcat. WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state. But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there. Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines. Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.
They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest. Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years. It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though. Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation. It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.
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I had a long conversation with the Game Warden and Biologist over in Wenas, during elk season about wolves. They both said the WSDFW are aware of several un-confirmed packs in Washington. It will take time to collect all the required data, but they will confirm ASAP. Both told us that they were not in support of wolf reintroduction back into Washington, because of all the political elements that come with wolves. They were very upfront and honest and did not dodge any of the questions we asked. 2cents
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Post by: GameHunter1959 on November 26, 2015, 01:11:53 AM
not sure which bio you talked to but the local guy is a clown. And as far as talking to game wardens they will tell you what they think you want to hear so take whT they say with huge helpings of saltI agree with bobcat. WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state. But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there. Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines. Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.
They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest. Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years. It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though. Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation. It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.
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I had a long conversation with the Game Warden and Biologist over in Wenas, during elk season about wolves. They both said the WSDFW are aware of several un-confirmed packs in Washington. It will take time to collect all the required data, but they will confirm ASAP. Both told us that they were not in support of wolf reintroduction back into Washington, because of all the political elements that come with wolves. They were very upfront and honest and did not dodge any of the questions we asked. 2cents
What I wanted to hear was there are no wolves where I hunt. That's not what I heard. In fact; I heard there are wolves where I hunt and they are on the verge of confirming a pack as more data is collected.
If they were going to lie, they would of said the opposite. By your example, you are mistaken.
Post by: Alchase on November 27, 2015, 06:48:34 PM
Post by: jdb on November 27, 2015, 07:27:48 PM
If they told you they're on the verge of confirming a wenas pack they lied to younot sure which bio you talked to but the local guy is a clown. And as far as talking to game wardens they will tell you what they think you want to hear so take whT they say with huge helpings of saltI agree with bobcat. WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state. But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there. Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines. Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.
They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest. Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years. It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though. Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation. It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.
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I had a long conversation with the Game Warden and Biologist over in Wenas, during elk season about wolves. They both said the WSDFW are aware of several un-confirmed packs in Washington. It will take time to collect all the required data, but they will confirm ASAP. Both told us that they were not in support of wolf reintroduction back into Washington, because of all the political elements that come with wolves. They were very upfront and honest and did not dodge any of the questions we asked. 2cents
What I wanted to hear was there are no wolves where I hunt. That's not what I heard. In fact; I heard there are wolves where I hunt and they are on the verge of confirming a pack as more data is collected.
If they were going to lie, they would of said the opposite. By your example, you are mistaken.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 27, 2015, 07:34:10 PM
Post by: bigmacc on November 28, 2015, 07:10:48 PM
Well they have scoffed at members of my archery club who have done what i just described with wolves and Griz. So if you doubt thier holy intentions then you dont reside in the same reality I do.
I have a hard time believing guys who say they have evidence when they never have photos. And if you know guys with photos post them up here if wolves are in their hunting areas they shouldn't worry about guys wanting to hunt those areas because game animals will disappear... Right?
. I haven't met a WDFW bio who wouldn't want game cam pictures of wolves, griz, wolverine, etc with GPS coordinates. Bios want information, data, ect. That's what their job is, they have far more to benefit from discovering new packs, animals etc then they do from hiding anything.
Conservation NW wants more packs, they want to be able to say animals are in the granite falls area or st. Helen's monument. they don't care to hide any info because when animals become delisted and eligible to hunt they will just launch a PR campaign and file law suits.
Well I have told this story before and will tell it again. We SHOWED an 8 minute video to game folks in the early 90,s of the biggest "YOTE" any of us or the game guys had ever seen :chuckle:. We were stuck in snow up boulder creek(methow) in November. About a 160lb YOTE(twice the size of my lab) stared us down while he stood in the middle of the road snarling at us at about 30 to 40 yrds away. After throwing rocks at it and whistling(which you can see and hear on the video, it finally walked over the bank and out of sight. We showed the video and basically were told "there are no wolves around here,thats just a big coyote". That was said with a turd eatin grin on their face I might ad! Then they added that it was probably a world record yote, ha ha. Was it a wolf that they didn't want people knowing about at the time? To this day I don't know if they new about them at that time or not but it was not a yote!
Post by: bobcat on November 28, 2015, 07:32:25 PM
Post by: bigmacc on November 28, 2015, 09:08:49 PM
In the early 90's there were signs posted at trailheads in the north Cascades asking people to report any wolf sightings. So, the presence of wolves surely was not unknown.
So is that the response we should expect when they are reported, even with pics or video? My dad spent years in Alaska working on the pipeline back in the day and had plenty of up close and personal run ins with wolves, soon as he seen it he said "HOLEY #### that's a big wolf!"....Maybe the fellas we talked to didn't know about the signs :chuckle:
Post by: Special T on November 28, 2015, 11:31:51 PM
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Post by: Romulus1297 on November 29, 2015, 12:18:07 AM
In the early 90's there were signs posted at trailheads in the north Cascades asking people to report any wolf sightings. So, the presence of wolves surely was not unknown.You are right. I remember those signs up the entiat valley and forgot about them
until now.
Post by: winshooter88 on November 29, 2015, 03:29:19 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 29, 2015, 07:46:43 AM
Post by: wolfbait on November 29, 2015, 09:09:15 AM
http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/
Post by: boneaddict on November 29, 2015, 09:56:14 AM
In the early 90's there were signs posted at trailheads in the north Cascades asking people to report any wolf sightings. So, the presence of wolves surely was not unknown.
The lookout pack was KNOWN in the late 80s. It was studied and hunting season was even halted in the Alta for three years because of it. Distrust began there. It becomes extremely hard to take them serious with all of the politics and games. If they had been honest from day one, then this might not be such a laughable manner. How many of you non local people knew of the Libby Creek pack? That's what we all called it including government officials. Then decades later "it was discovered". They had been studying it for some time. Its gets very tiring explaining this to every neophyte that picks up a paper and reads about the methow valley. So yes, a little local knowledge goes a long ways, or in this case a lot of local knowledge. As I have stated before, Ill never forget when the biologist called my Dad when I was there visiting. We were watching several wolves out the front window of his house. The biologist had never seen them and he had been studying them for two years. Kind of hard to have a firm grasp on what you are studying if you never have even seen the animal. LOL As for wolf sightings, well there have been wolves in the Methow for decades if not centuries. Many just passing through. There is a big difference between passing through and setting up shop. Transient rat or all out infestation. In the last few years, multiple packs have been working the Methow. Many reports have been filed, and they all were dismissed or categorized as the lookout pack. It wouldnt take much time for any woodsman worth his salt, to figure out there are several packs working the valley and even roughly what their boundaries are.
Post by: grundy53 on November 29, 2015, 10:06:46 AM
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Post by: mfswallace on November 29, 2015, 10:29:04 AM
In the early 90's there were signs posted at trailheads in the north Cascades asking people to report any wolf sightings. So, the presence of wolves surely was not unknown.
The lookout pack was KNOWN in the late 80s. It was studied and hunting season was even halted in the Alta for three years because of it. Distrust began there. It becomes extremely hard to take them serious with all of the politics and games. If they had been honest from day one, then this might not be such a laughable manner. How many of you non local people knew of the Libby Creek pack? That's what we all called it including government officials. Then decades later "it was discovered". They had been studying it for some time. Its gets very tiring explaining this to every neophyte that picks up a paper and reads about the methow valley. So yes, a little local knowledge goes a long ways, or in this case a lot of local knowledge. As I have stated before, Ill never forget when the biologist called my Dad when I was there visiting. We were watching several wolves out the front window of his house. The biologist had never seen them and he had been studying them for two years. Kind of hard to have a firm grasp on what you are studying if you never have even seen the animal. LOL As for wolf sightings, well there have been wolves in the Methow for decades if not centuries. Many just passing through. There is a big difference between passing through and setting up shop. Transient rat or all out infestation. In the last few years, multiple packs have been working the Methow. Many reports have been filed, and they all were dismissed or categorized as the lookout pack. It wouldnt take much time for any woodsman worth his salt, to figure out there are several packs working the valley and even roughly what their boundaries are.
not according to Bobcat(wetside) and idhunter((newly indoctrinated Bio) they know better than those that live with wolves on the daily :bash:
Post by: wolfbait on November 29, 2015, 04:37:43 PM
In the early 90's there were signs posted at trailheads in the north Cascades asking people to report any wolf sightings. So, the presence of wolves surely was not unknown.
The lookout pack was KNOWN in the late 80s. It was studied and hunting season was even halted in the Alta for three years because of it. Distrust began there. It becomes extremely hard to take them serious with all of the politics and games. If they had been honest from day one, then this might not be such a laughable manner. How many of you non local people knew of the Libby Creek pack? That's what we all called it including government officials. Then decades later "it was discovered". They had been studying it for some time. Its gets very tiring explaining this to every neophyte that picks up a paper and reads about the methow valley. So yes, a little local knowledge goes a long ways, or in this case a lot of local knowledge. As I have stated before, Ill never forget when the biologist called my Dad when I was there visiting. We were watching several wolves out the front window of his house. The biologist had never seen them and he had been studying them for two years. Kind of hard to have a firm grasp on what you are studying if you never have even seen the animal. LOL As for wolf sightings, well there have been wolves in the Methow for decades if not centuries. Many just passing through. There is a big difference between passing through and setting up shop. Transient rat or all out infestation. In the last few years, multiple packs have been working the Methow. Many reports have been filed, and they all were dismissed or categorized as the lookout pack. It wouldnt take much time for any woodsman worth his salt, to figure out there are several packs working the valley and even roughly what their boundaries are.
Well said Bone!
Post by: billythekidrock on November 29, 2015, 04:56:26 PM
Well they have scoffed at members of my archery club who have done what i just described with wolves and Griz. So if you doubt thier holy intentions then you dont reside in the same reality I do.
I have a hard time believing guys who say they have evidence when they never have photos. And if you know guys with photos post them up here if wolves are in their hunting areas they shouldn't worry about guys wanting to hunt those areas because game animals will disappear... Right?
. I haven't met a WDFW bio who wouldn't want game cam pictures of wolves, griz, wolverine, etc with GPS coordinates. Bios want information, data, ect. That's what their job is, they have far more to benefit from discovering new packs, animals etc then they do from hiding anything.
Conservation NW wants more packs, they want to be able to say animals are in the granite falls area or st. Helen's monument. they don't care to hide any info because when animals become delisted and eligible to hunt they will just launch a PR campaign and file law suits.
I agree.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 29, 2015, 05:37:01 PM
http://www.fws.gov/refuge/Kenai/what_we_do/science/brown_bear_estimate.html
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 29, 2015, 05:40:28 PM
http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/regulations/regprocess/gameboard/pdfs/2012-2013/Southcentral_3-15-13/rcs/rc005_fws_usfs_kenai_brown_bear_population_estimate_2012.pdf
Post by: KenPCPilot on November 29, 2015, 05:47:32 PM
Post by: Special T on November 29, 2015, 11:19:29 PM
One technique that might help identify individual wolves and packs is something that was recently used on the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska for brown and black bears. They put out fur traps which bears were attracted to with bait and collected hair samples which were genetically tested to identify individual bears. As a result, the estimated bear population of the Kenai Peninsula more than doubled. Good information is gold.
http://www.fws.gov/refuge/Kenai/what_we_do/science/brown_bear_estimate.html
So if they had a good program like that some of us here would be a lot less skeptical
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 30, 2015, 07:28:00 AM
One technique that might help identify individual wolves and packs is something that was recently used on the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska for brown and black bears. They put out fur traps which bears were attracted to with bait and collected hair samples which were genetically tested to identify individual bears. As a result, the estimated bear population of the Kenai Peninsula more than doubled. Good information is gold.
http://www.fws.gov/refuge/Kenai/what_we_do/science/brown_bear_estimate.html
So if they had a good program like that some of us here would be a lot less skeptical
The real question is would they spend the money to do a survey like this?
Post by: mfswallace on November 30, 2015, 07:30:53 AM
One technique that might help identify individual wolves and packs is something that was recently used on the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska for brown and black bears. They put out fur traps which bears were attracted to with bait and collected hair samples which were genetically tested to identify individual bears. As a result, the estimated bear population of the Kenai Peninsula more than doubled. Good information is gold.
http://www.fws.gov/refuge/Kenai/what_we_do/science/brown_bear_estimate.html
So if they had a good program like that some of us here would be a lot less skeptical
The real question is would they spend the money to do a survey like this?
They wasted $850,000 on a love guru so NO they wouldn't want science to get in the way of the feel good emotional movement :chuckle:
Post by: idahohuntr on November 30, 2015, 11:11:39 AM
If it wouldn't take much time to figure out packs/boundaries perhaps you guys could provide them, along with supporting evidence like locations/photos of all these different wolves that are apparently everywhere and very easy to find. Post all of this easy to obtain information in a comprehensive document so WDFW can't easily ignore it...kind of like what UC is doing to expose corruption and incompetence with the enforcement branch.In the early 90's there were signs posted at trailheads in the north Cascades asking people to report any wolf sightings. So, the presence of wolves surely was not unknown.
The lookout pack was KNOWN in the late 80s. It was studied and hunting season was even halted in the Alta for three years because of it. Distrust began there. It becomes extremely hard to take them serious with all of the politics and games. If they had been honest from day one, then this might not be such a laughable manner. How many of you non local people knew of the Libby Creek pack? That's what we all called it including government officials. Then decades later "it was discovered". They had been studying it for some time. Its gets very tiring explaining this to every neophyte that picks up a paper and reads about the methow valley. So yes, a little local knowledge goes a long ways, or in this case a lot of local knowledge. As I have stated before, Ill never forget when the biologist called my Dad when I was there visiting. We were watching several wolves out the front window of his house. The biologist had never seen them and he had been studying them for two years. Kind of hard to have a firm grasp on what you are studying if you never have even seen the animal. LOL As for wolf sightings, well there have been wolves in the Methow for decades if not centuries. Many just passing through. There is a big difference between passing through and setting up shop. Transient rat or all out infestation. In the last few years, multiple packs have been working the Methow. Many reports have been filed, and they all were dismissed or categorized as the lookout pack. It wouldnt take much time for any woodsman worth his salt, to figure out there are several packs working the valley and even roughly what their boundaries are.
not according to Bobcat(wetside) and idhunter((newly indoctrinated Bio) they know better than those that live with wolves on the daily :bash:
Post by: mfswallace on November 30, 2015, 11:34:47 AM
If it wouldn't take much time to figure out packs/boundaries perhaps you guys could provide them, along with supporting evidence like locations/photos of all these different wolves that are apparently everywhere and very easy to find. Post all of this easy to obtain information in a comprehensive document so WDFW can't easily ignore it...kind of like what UC is doing to expose corruption and incompetence with the enforcement branch.In the early 90's there were signs posted at trailheads in the north Cascades asking people to report any wolf sightings. So, the presence of wolves surely was not unknown.
The lookout pack was KNOWN in the late 80s. It was studied and hunting season was even halted in the Alta for three years because of it. Distrust began there. It becomes extremely hard to take them serious with all of the politics and games. If they had been honest from day one, then this might not be such a laughable manner. How many of you non local people knew of the Libby Creek pack? That's what we all called it including government officials. Then decades later "it was discovered". They had been studying it for some time. Its gets very tiring explaining this to every neophyte that picks up a paper and reads about the methow valley. So yes, a little local knowledge goes a long ways, or in this case a lot of local knowledge. As I have stated before, Ill never forget when the biologist called my Dad when I was there visiting. We were watching several wolves out the front window of his house. The biologist had never seen them and he had been studying them for two years. Kind of hard to have a firm grasp on what you are studying if you never have even seen the animal. LOL As for wolf sightings, well there have been wolves in the Methow for decades if not centuries. Many just passing through. There is a big difference between passing through and setting up shop. Transient rat or all out infestation. In the last few years, multiple packs have been working the Methow. Many reports have been filed, and they all were dismissed or categorized as the lookout pack. It wouldnt take much time for any woodsman worth his salt, to figure out there are several packs working the valley and even roughly what their boundaries are.
not according to Bobcat(wetside) and idhunter((newly indoctrinated Bio) they know better than those that live with wolves on the daily :bash:
Wait wait wait, your talking about an organization that has ignored information on wolves for how long now :yike:
And using UC's Great efforts and info to make your point is unfortunately laughable >:( cause after 3-4 months they are Ignoring it!!
Why would it be different after 25+ years of denial and ignoring the folks living with wolves :bash:
Post by: Special T on November 30, 2015, 04:48:22 PM
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Post by: villageidiot on December 05, 2015, 06:03:19 AM
In the early 90's there were signs posted at trailheads in the north Cascades asking people to report any wolf sightings. So, the presence of wolves surely was not unknown.
The lookout pack was KNOWN in the late 80s. It was studied and hunting season was even halted in the Alta for three years because of it. Distrust began there. It becomes extremely hard to take them serious with all of the politics and games. If they had been honest from day one, then this might not be such a laughable manner. How many of you non local people knew of the Libby Creek pack? That's what we all called it including government officials. Then decades later "it was discovered". They had been studying it for some time. Its gets very tiring explaining this to every neophyte that picks up a paper and reads about the methow valley. So yes, a little local knowledge goes a long ways, or in this case a lot of local knowledge. As I have stated before, Ill never forget when the biologist called my Dad when I was there visiting. We were watching several wolves out the front window of his house. The biologist had never seen them and he had been studying them for two years. Kind of hard to have a firm grasp on what you are studying if you never have even seen the animal. LOL As for wolf sightings, well there have been wolves in the Methow for decades if not centuries. Many just passing through. There is a big difference between passing through and setting up shop. Transient rat or all out infestation. In the last few years, multiple packs have been working the Methow. Many reports have been filed, and they all were dismissed or categorized as the lookout pack. It wouldnt take much time for any woodsman worth his salt, to figure out there are several packs working the valley and even roughly what their boundaries are.
not according to Bobcat(wetside) and idhunter((newly indoctrinated Bio) they know better than those that live with wolves on the daily
If it wouldn't take much time to figure out packs/boundaries perhaps you guys could provide them, along with supporting evidence like locations/photos of all these different wolves that are apparently everywhere and very easy to find. Post all of this easy to obtain information in a comprehensive document so WDFW can't easily ignore it...kind of like what UC is doing to expose corruption and incompetence with the enforcement branch.
We must have forgotten about the rancher in Twisp that reported to two different forest service bios about wolves on his place. Don't forget that one even told him " I will put that in my file with my Bigfoot sightings" . Both told him he was mistaken so after loseing a dog and a calf and then the wolves started crossing his sons driveway a mile long that the three grandkids walked to the school bus every day they declared war on the wolves. This was all spelled out clearly in a letter he wrote to the judge and prosecuting attorney right before the trial. The newspapers kept this silent but nearly every rancher has heard about this in Okanogan county by now. Why would any of them waste their time reporting a wolf pack or problems when in the end they have to deal with it themselves.
Post by: wolfbait on December 05, 2015, 08:44:14 AM
Quote from: bobcat on November 28, 2015, 07:32:25 PM
In the early 90's there were signs posted at trailheads in the north Cascades asking people to report any wolf sightings. So, the presence of wolves surely was not unknown.
The lookout pack was KNOWN in the late 80s. It was studied and hunting season was even halted in the Alta for three years because of it. Distrust began there. It becomes extremely hard to take them serious with all of the politics and games. If they had been honest from day one, then this might not be such a laughable manner. How many of you non local people knew of the Libby Creek pack? That's what we all called it including government officials. Then decades later "it was discovered". They had been studying it for some time. Its gets very tiring explaining this to every neophyte that picks up a paper and reads about the methow valley. So yes, a little local knowledge goes a long ways, or in this case a lot of local knowledge. As I have stated before, Ill never forget when the biologist called my Dad when I was there visiting. We were watching several wolves out the front window of his house. The biologist had never seen them and he had been studying them for two years. Kind of hard to have a firm grasp on what you are studying if you never have even seen the animal. LOL As for wolf sightings, well there have been wolves in the Methow for decades if not centuries. Many just passing through. There is a big difference between passing through and setting up shop. Transient rat or all out infestation. In the last few years, multiple packs have been working the Methow. Many reports have been filed, and they all were dismissed or categorized as the lookout pack. It wouldnt take much time for any woodsman worth his salt, to figure out there are several packs working the valley and even roughly what their boundaries are.
not according to Bobcat(wetside) and idhunter((newly indoctrinated Bio) they know better than those that live with wolves on the daily
If it wouldn't take much time to figure out packs/boundaries perhaps you guys could provide them, along with supporting evidence like locations/photos of all these different wolves that are apparently everywhere and very easy to find. Post all of this easy to obtain information in a comprehensive document so WDFW can't easily ignore it...kind of like what UC is doing to expose corruption and incompetence with the enforcement branch.
We must have forgotten about the rancher in Twisp that reported to two different forest service bios about wolves on his place. Don't forget that one even told him " I will put that in my file with my Bigfoot sightings" . Both told him he was mistaken so after loseing a dog and a calf and then the wolves started crossing his sons driveway a mile long that the three grandkids walked to the school bus every day they declared war on the wolves. This was all spelled out clearly in a letter he wrote to the judge and prosecuting attorney right before the trial. The newspapers kept this silent but nearly every rancher has heard about this in Okanogan county by now. Why would any of them waste their time reporting a wolf pack or problems when in the end they have to deal with it themselves.
"Why would any of them waste their time reporting a wolf pack or problems when in the end they have to deal with it themselves"
A short story
Wolves and silence
WDFW and their partners would like silence for their wolves, meaning it you don't like the wolves shut-up. People can report as many wolves as they wish and WDFW will remain silent. Wolves can slaughter livestock and the ungulates herds etc. and WDFW will remain silent, if they can.
Do to all the silence, recipes evolved.
For information on wolf recipes contact the people of ID, MT, WY etc.
The End
Post by: GameHunter1959 on December 05, 2015, 10:36:49 AM
If it wouldn't take much time to figure out packs/boundaries perhaps you guys could provide them, along with supporting evidence like locations/photos of all these different wolves that are apparently everywhere and very easy to find. Post all of this easy to obtain information in a comprehensive document so WDFW can't easily ignore it...kind of like what UC is doing to expose corruption and incompetence with the enforcement branch.In the early 90's there were signs posted at trailheads in the north Cascades asking people to report any wolf sightings. So, the presence of wolves surely was not unknown.
The lookout pack was KNOWN in the late 80s. It was studied and hunting season was even halted in the Alta for three years because of it. Distrust began there. It becomes extremely hard to take them serious with all of the politics and games. If they had been honest from day one, then this might not be such a laughable manner. How many of you non local people knew of the Libby Creek pack? That's what we all called it including government officials. Then decades later "it was discovered". They had been studying it for some time. Its gets very tiring explaining this to every neophyte that picks up a paper and reads about the methow valley. So yes, a little local knowledge goes a long ways, or in this case a lot of local knowledge. As I have stated before, Ill never forget when the biologist called my Dad when I was there visiting. We were watching several wolves out the front window of his house. The biologist had never seen them and he had been studying them for two years. Kind of hard to have a firm grasp on what you are studying if you never have even seen the animal. LOL As for wolf sightings, well there have been wolves in the Methow for decades if not centuries. Many just passing through. There is a big difference between passing through and setting up shop. Transient rat or all out infestation. In the last few years, multiple packs have been working the Methow. Many reports have been filed, and they all were dismissed or categorized as the lookout pack. It wouldnt take much time for any woodsman worth his salt, to figure out there are several packs working the valley and even roughly what their boundaries are.
not according to Bobcat(wetside) and idhunter((newly indoctrinated Bio) they know better than those that live with wolves on the daily :bash:
That is what I'm saying. Post all the easy to obtain pictures, locations, etc.
Wolfbait- I have followed your wolf posts on here, for around 5 years or so. You post all these articles, anti WSDFW opinions, conspiracy theories, etc. You claim you see wolves all the time and they are taking over the Methow and the rest of Washington State. I have never seen you post any "hard evidence" on a regular basis to sway anyone on Hunt Wa to believe in all your posts.
I'm not saying you are wrong; nor do I support wolves. Yes I know wolves are growing in numbers. But go back 3-5 years and read your posts. Based off your theories the majority of WA State residents should be seeing wolves regularly.
I have mentioned your name to several Hunt WA members offline. The first thing they say is "Ohhh that guy!" followed by a "laugh" and a comical opinion about you and your conspiracy theories. Most think you are full of shhhhhhh.
Do you honestly think people take your posts seriously?
I think you post some great information, which is taken seriously by some. But I also think 90% of your posts get laughed at, as you have never posted a trail cam picture, videos, etc. of the mass amounts of wolves around your house and the Methow.
Post some stuff up and people will begin to get behind you and take you more seriously.
Post by: MtnMuley on December 05, 2015, 02:07:18 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 05, 2015, 05:00:49 PM
If it wouldn't take much time to figure out packs/boundaries perhaps you guys could provide them, along with supporting evidence like locations/photos of all these different wolves that are apparently everywhere and very easy to find. Post all of this easy to obtain information in a comprehensive document so WDFW can't easily ignore it...kind of like what UC is doing to expose corruption and incompetence with the enforcement branch.In the early 90's there were signs posted at trailheads in the north Cascades asking people to report any wolf sightings. So, the presence of wolves surely was not unknown.
The lookout pack was KNOWN in the late 80s. It was studied and hunting season was even halted in the Alta for three years because of it. Distrust began there. It becomes extremely hard to take them serious with all of the politics and games. If they had been honest from day one, then this might not be such a laughable manner. How many of you non local people knew of the Libby Creek pack? That's what we all called it including government officials. Then decades later "it was discovered". They had been studying it for some time. Its gets very tiring explaining this to every neophyte that picks up a paper and reads about the methow valley. So yes, a little local knowledge goes a long ways, or in this case a lot of local knowledge. As I have stated before, Ill never forget when the biologist called my Dad when I was there visiting. We were watching several wolves out the front window of his house. The biologist had never seen them and he had been studying them for two years. Kind of hard to have a firm grasp on what you are studying if you never have even seen the animal. LOL As for wolf sightings, well there have been wolves in the Methow for decades if not centuries. Many just passing through. There is a big difference between passing through and setting up shop. Transient rat or all out infestation. In the last few years, multiple packs have been working the Methow. Many reports have been filed, and they all were dismissed or categorized as the lookout pack. It wouldnt take much time for any woodsman worth his salt, to figure out there are several packs working the valley and even roughly what their boundaries are.
not according to Bobcat(wetside) and idhunter((newly indoctrinated Bio) they know better than those that live with wolves on the daily :bash:
That is what I'm saying. Post all the easy to obtain pictures, locations, etc.
Wolfbait- I have followed your wolf posts on here, for around 5 years or so. You post all these articles, anti WSDFW opinions, conspiracy theories, etc. You claim you see wolves all the time and they are taking over the Methow and the rest of Washington State. I have never seen you post any "hard evidence" on a regular basis to sway anyone on Hunt Wa to believe in all your posts.
I'm not saying you are wrong; nor do I support wolves. Yes I know wolves are growing in numbers. But go back 3-5 years and read your posts. Based off your theories the majority of WA State residents should be seeing wolves regularly.
I have mentioned your name to several Hunt WA members offline. The first thing they say is "Ohhh that guy!" followed by a "laugh" and a comical opinion about you and your conspiracy theories. Most think you are full of shhhhhhh.
Do you honestly think people take your posts seriously?
I think you post some great information, which is taken seriously by some. But I also think 90% of your posts get laughed at, as you have never posted a trail cam picture, videos, etc. of the mass amounts of wolves around your house and the Methow.
Post some stuff up and people will begin to get behind you and take you more seriously.
:bow: Oh great one………... :chuckle:
Post by: mountainman on December 05, 2015, 09:11:06 PM
Post by: GameHunter1959 on December 05, 2015, 11:27:58 PM
Wow, gamehunter, I can't believe you're the one calling somebody out on here as laughable. Hmmm......seems you were on the end of a few laughable comments before to us locals....... :rolleyes:
And you would be referencing the crow you ate earlier this Summer when you tried to tell me their are no fire lines up above Conconully. Then I gave you the exact forest service road location and you were never heard from again.
I found out who you are and had a conversation about you in Tonasket earlier this week. I know several people that know you. Like Wolfbait; they all clowned you and told me you are essentially an internet know it all. One person I spoke with actually knows your wife and said you are know to be a dip shhhhhh around the area. Its funny how small of a world it is. Don't even waste your time with me, because all I will do is clown you and repeat it to others that laugh at you locally.
Post by: WARHORSE on December 06, 2015, 12:09:43 AM
Post by: wolfbait on December 06, 2015, 01:55:19 AM
Wow, gamehunter, I can't believe you're the one calling somebody out on here as laughable. Hmmm......seems you were on the end of a few laughable comments before to us locals....... :rolleyes:
And you would be referencing the crow you ate earlier this Summer when you tried to tell me their are no fire lines up above Conconully. Then I gave you the exact forest service road location and you were never heard from again.
I found out who you are and had a conversation about you in Tonasket earlier this week. I know several people that know you. Like Wolfbait; they all clowned you and told me you are essentially an internet know it all. One person I spoke with actually knows your wife and said you are know to be a dip shhhhhh around the area. Its funny how small of a world it is. Don't even waste your time with me, because all I will do is clown you and repeat it to others that laugh at you locally.
Sounds like you spend a lot of time clowning around G-h, do you by any chance read what you write? It sounds a lot like calf slobber.
What exactly is an internet know it all?
Careful MtMuley, G-h is going to clown you,,,,,,,,,, :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: GameHunter1959 on December 06, 2015, 03:24:47 AM
Hahaha thats funny mr know it all mtn muley isnt even married! But that was a good try!
She said she thought she was his wife tobe technically exact.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on December 06, 2015, 03:27:42 AM
Wow, gamehunter, I can't believe you're the one calling somebody out on here as laughable. Hmmm......seems you were on the end of a few laughable comments before to us locals....... :rolleyes:
And you would be referencing the crow you ate earlier this Summer when you tried to tell me their are no fire lines up above Conconully. Then I gave you the exact forest service road location and you were never heard from again.
I found out who you are and had a conversation about you in Tonasket earlier this week. I know several people that know you. Like Wolfbait; they all clowned you and told me you are essentially an internet know it all. One person I spoke with actually knows your wife and said you are know to be a dip shhhhhh around the area. Its funny how small of a world it is. Don't even waste your time with me, because all I will do is clown you and repeat it to others that laugh at you locally.
Sounds like you spend a lot of time clowning around G-h, do you by any chance read what you write? It sounds a lot like calf slobber.
What exactly is an internet know it all?
Careful MtMuley, G-h is going to clown you,,,,,,,,,, :chuckle: :chuckle:
Here is one of 6 PMs sent to me about you....
I agree with you about Wolfbait. He's like the National Enquirer of Hunt Washington. Hard t take him seriously even when he has good info because mst of his stuff is s far out there. Plus, he has been predicting the demise of elk and deer in Washington and elsewhere and it's just not happening.
Village idiot is another who posts stuff that is usually proven to be a hoax.
I'm neither a wolf supporter or against them, but I believe once they are established, they will need to be managed and anytime one threatens a person or their livestock or pets, they need to be destroyed. We will only get to that point once they are delisted.
Post by: WARHORSE on December 06, 2015, 09:25:43 AM
Hahaha thats funny mr know it all mtn muley isnt even married! But that was a good try!
She said she thought she was his wife tobe technically exact.
Lol yer just one heck of a gossip queen arnt ya!
Post by: Bob33 on December 06, 2015, 09:28:10 AM