Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: TeacherMan on January 21, 2009, 05:44:01 PM
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GMU 101 will never be the same again after this next year, if they open it up for late season whitetail the herd will be mascured. The animals that time of year are out in the open country around here and they are hard to hunt with a bow. Put it on your calenders the new state record will come from Ferry county next year if they open this season for rifle. This may sound great until the large trophy animals are gone and the genetics are no different than say around Deer Park. Its like taking a fly fish only lake and opening it up for bait, whats going to happen you will catch a lot of nice fish at first, give it a year or two and it will be no different. You better take the time off next season if you want the trophy of a life time. :bash:
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That really sucks when this happens in your backyard! I feel for ya Teacherman! On the other hand, I would be a fool to pass up this opportunity!
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THATS WDFW AT ITS FINEST. THEY WILL MAKE MONEY ON THIS ONE AND WE AS HUNTERS WILL SUFFER LONG TERM. THAT SUCKS . J
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Thanks for the heads-up Teacherman; I might have to head over there and take advantage of it.
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These are only proposals... If we get enough voices now we might get them to ammend their proposal.
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They are really screwing the pooch on this one.........50 late tags for ALTA RU KIDDIN ME
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:'( :'( :bash:
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I remember back in the 60's how good the hunting was on both sides of the highway back then, the old 100 & 200 units. Then in the 68 season they said we had too many does (mule and white). We had a three day slaughter any deer, it sounded like basic training on a M14/M16 range. For those older folks that was also the big winter kill winter of 68/69 we must of found 50+ skeletons just on the Scatter Creek road between the Ferry Lake cut off and Swan Lake durring the 69 season. I wish my dad did not dump all the photos a few years ago without asking me.
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I DONT HUNT THERE BUT I FEEL YOUR PAIN. GOOD LUCK J
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They are really screwing the pooch on this one.........50 late tags for ALTA RU KIDDIN ME
Its actually 70
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I know what your feeling, they did this to my fav hunting area years ago, Mica unit, decimated the herd and the quality went in the toilet, the last 2 years has been draw only and 3 pt min helps, area is still recovering, sickening feeling
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I know quite a few guys that live for that archery hunt. Its what they look forward to every year. :bdid: :bdid: :bdid: :dunno: :dunno: >:( >:(
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Are they gonna get rid of the late archery there or is that still the same? I dont get why they want to make a late rifle hunt there after all theses years? There isn't tons of deer up there from what i have seen, has the heard been growing good up there the last few years?
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Yep it will open on Nov 20 th like it woulda down here, use to open Nov 10th. There will be a slaughter of nice bucks taken if this happens
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It sure doesn't add up when you look up at the success rates for archery, muzzle loader and modern firearm and then archery takes the hit. I bet by the time everyone gets done writing emails that alot of what is proposed right now won't happen, especially if they look at the data between user groups.
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I posted on archery talk and primos urging washington hunters to write to them
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Son of a b!tch!!!! Now I am really glad that I own land over there, I'm going to make it a safe haven and try to draw some of those deer onto it to keep them alive. Man that pisses me off!!!!!!! The WDFW is getting dumber by the minute. They are listening too much to the lazy ass citiots who want the easy way out. I think of the number of 150+ calls bucks that I saw this December over there and how easy it would be to nail one with a rifle. Yep, the WDFW will be getting a nasty letter from me and my hunting buddies!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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That really sucks when this happens in your backyard! I feel for ya Teacherman! On the other hand, I would be a fool to pass up this opportunity!
So you are in favor of short term gain and long term pain? Unfortunately too many US consumers think the same way you do and hence the current economic situation.
If you over harvest a herd of any species in any unit it takes forever to come back. The Nooksack herd still hasn't recovered in my opinion (yes there have been some good bulls taken but that was also a one or two time shot) and the Clockum is a disaster.
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Were do we send our e-mail or letter to the fish and game??? I want to make sure it gets read by someone involved in the decision ??????
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Go to general discussion, look for the last topic that I started up. There are several emails on there to send letters to.
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I would be very surprised to find even a hand full of rifle hunters in Ferry county let alone in the state that will pass up this opportunity!!!! Not because of short or long term gain but because the states success rates suck! Just because you don't like the long range forcast for the general population, which I don't like it either :bdid:as I am an archery hunter as well, but the simple fact is you go where you can find success or you go because you like the area and have been hunting it with family for years! People have been hunting Ferry Co. for generations and those rifle hunters are not going to feel bad about this hunt! Most hunters are not as concerned about deer population health as the people on this forum. Its just another hunt, and they will kill a 2 point just as easy as they would a 170 class buck! I am not a trophy hunter and I hunt with my wife and family so this fall I am going to enjoy myself with them on a great hunt in Ferry Co. where I have seen some dandy bucks in the past and if my wife wants to shoot a 2 or 3 point good for her! :twocents:
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Teacherman do you have room in your yard for a 16x20 foot wall tent? ;)
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I cant even believe their really going to do this. Teacher man you have it right their goes one of our last good OTC trophy hunts. wdfw needs to get those 180s knocked down so 101 can be an equal oppurtinity unit like the rest of the state rats only.
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Most hunters are not as concerned about deer population health as the people on this forum.
an important(unfortunate) fact of life.
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The problem is there isn't alot of 2 points up in this area, there isnt alot of deer. But the deer herd is very healthy and because of this there are equal numbers large and small deer. Ya you may shoot a 2 pt but you will have just as good of chance shooting a 4 or 5. The are hasn't been over harvested. I'm not saying it is an easy hunt there are not alot of deer. The ones that are in this area are just really good quality. Yes I do have plenty of room for 20 wall tents in my yard. :chuckle:
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We will see you in November ;)
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Ya I know a good spot Address is "Anderson's Grocery" down town republic
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At a WDFW check station it was implied to me that they were seeing more drift than they expected when they went draw only on the SE whitetails in the Palouse. Those hunters that don't draw didn't give up on late hunting, they moved to NE. It's my suspicion that they are trying to increase hunter distribution. I'd rather they went back to an open season 3 pt or better in the SE. I don't hunt Ferry but it's got a unique situation that I think deserves to be left alone.
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im a rifle hunter and i wouldnt mind checking it out during the late hunt there , sorry to all the bowhunters , its not us that makes the rules .....
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I cant hold it against you if you do hunt it. You didn't make the decission to open it. I would still hope people would write letters trying to stop it even if they are rifle hunters because it will ruin the area. I want this area to be good for my daughters when they are older. The area doesn't have that many deer, just because there are nice deer in the are doesn't mean the populaiton is large. Trust me you will still have to hunt. And thank goodness its not a week later.
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yea i understand , i may or may not check it out due to i hunted the huckleberry unit and i liked it , my brother got his first whitetail there last season and first time hunting that area , and i found a huge whitetail there that was on private property , so we are most likely going to stick to the area we found
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This is what the are I bow hunt in 101 looks like in the rut. Hard to bow hunt, not so hard to rifle hunt. They are out of the mts. and in the valleys. One thing there is a LOT of private land that the deer will be on.
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Colville, you have to remember that 127 and other units were only open for about 3 years to rifle rut hunting, before that it had been 20 years much like 101 is now.its been only the last 3 hunting seasons it went to permit only, use to be nobody hunted late here, at least 650 people get to now in the late. My idea to solve some issues make everyone pick a east or west deer tag, just like the elk tag, why not?
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Colville, you have to remember that 127 and other units were only open for about 3 years to rifle rut hunting, before that it had been 20 years much like 101 is now.its been only the last 3 hunting seasons it went to permit only, use to be nobody hunted late here, at least 650 people get to now in the late. My idea to solve some issues make everyone pick a east or west deer tag, just like the elk tag, why not?
I like the deer tag idea.
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I hunt 204, 101 a lot and it's got a lot of game. Lots of Deer Mule deer and whitetail. I noticed in the proposals that the WDFW will get rid of the youth and senior antlerless deer general season in the NE Units too. Lots of changes. That sucks.
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I have been doing a little research. I got the data from the 2005, 2006, and 2007 harvest data. This data is only for the units 101 through 124. This is a total of 8 units that make up the PMU P11 and P12 areas of Northeast WA. I am in the process of writing up an intelligent argument based upon the data to send my comment to WDFW, but here are some of my early observations. I am only comparing data over the past 3 years for the 101-124 units between Modern Firearm and Archery. One note of observation is that the archer only has 6 units to hunt in the late season in these units and the rifle hunter has 7 with the proposal of adding 101 moving it to 8.
Modern Firearm
1. Unit 101 for Modern Firearm has the lowest success rate (24%) of all the NE WA units. It averages about 4% to 6% less than the other units. The difference is that 101 does not have a late whitetail season as the other 7 units do.
2. I have calculated the % of bucks harvested for the units. Unit 101 (74%) has about 10% lower rate than the other units. I believe this is due to the fact that there is no late season for 101 and that is when the whitetails are more vulnerable due to the rut.
3. Days/Kill is also significantly higher in 101 due to no late season. Once again, rut timing makes it easier to kill more whitetail bucks (20 days vs 17 days).
Archery
1. Unit 101 has the highest success rate (32%) of all the NE WA units. It averages about 4% higher than the other units that have a late season. Units 111 and 113 have no late season so their success rate was not included. If you did include there success rate, the spread of 101 over the other units would be even greater.
2. Unit 101 has a higher average buck harvest rate as compared to the other units that have a late season.
3. Days/Kill is also significantly lower in 101 than the other units by about 3 days. All three data points would tell you the quality of this hunt for the archer is extremely high compared to the other units that are open in NE WA for a late season.
Summary
So what does this all mean? Far and foremost, these are just my opinions about the facts presented in the harvest statistics. I think we all know what the obvious answer is but data supports the obvious. The higher success rates in Unit 101 for archery are directly correlated to the fact that there is no Modern Firearm late whitetail season.
If the proposed season and unit changes were implemented, I would expect the unit to act comparable to the success rates and harvest rates we see with the other units that are open late for both rifle and archery.
The bottom line is that Modern Firearm success rates would increase at the expense of the Archery Success rates. In my opinion facts clearly demonstrate the correlation that is consistent with the success rates in the other NE WA units.
My Issues to Raise with WDFW
1. In the Northeast region, Archers only have 1 unit exclusively theirs in the late season. Archers actually loose Units 111 and 113 in the late season. Unit 101 is providing archers a quality hunt without the need for permit systems or over harvest of the deer herd. Why can’t we maintain the current seasons and regulations for the unit? It’s Working. Don’t fix what ain’t broke.
2. What is the management reason to expand the 101 unit to Late Modern Rifle? Especially when it will benefit the rifle hunters at the expense of the archer. Modern Rifle already has 7 units during the late season. Does the change have to due with herd management? If so, justify! (I personally think the reason is that WDFW is looking to spread out the high number of rifle hunters over a larger geographic area and increase revenue from tag sales.)
I am an avid archer who has hunted this unit for the past 10 years and have had great success in what I consider the best quality bowhunt in the state without a permit. Just hoping that we can keep the regulations in place that have contributed to the units healthy herd and quality hunting experience. Don't want to bang on the rifle hunters, just stating the facts from the harvest statistics.
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Boomskin
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Great info Boomskin! Some of these guys don't get it! :bash:
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I think if there gonna open up at late rifle hunt in gmu 101, they should open it for the youth's, seinors and the disabled hunters! :dunno:
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and get rid of any hunting during the rut.
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Nice job boomskin, Great info, and I agree with you.
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and get rid of any hunting during the rut.
:yeah:
I've been saying that for years to my friends at the WDFW! :bash: Eliminate all rut hunts for elk and deer. They will never do it because of the lost revenue. Some guys can only be successful if they hunt the rut and would not buy tags if those seasons were eliminated. The last thing we need is ANY late rifle hunt in the 101!!
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Great post Boomskin! Thanks for the info.
Backstrap is right. Some guys just don't get it.
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It has been a good archery hunt in the past but I bet the rifle season will be an enforcement nightmare for the WDFW. Most of the easily visible deer are on private land. Not nearly as much easily accessable public land as is in the Colville or Chewelah area. Alot of the public areas that are on the map are acually land locked unless you know the owners. Unlike Teacherman, I would NOT suggest going up there unless you have done some research. The country is beautiful, but don't drive up there thinking your going to bang a 150 buck out of the window of the truck. Whitetails are still Whitetails.
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i have hunted 101 for the last 20 years, probably half bowhunting and half of it rifle hunting. Its not about rifle hunters or bow hunters to me, its about the quality of the hunt. Yes I have enjoyed hunting the late season the last 3 years with Bow. Most of the time, the only other hunters you see are either your hunting buddies or in town. Been spoiled I guess. But I would love to get a chance at those whitetail with a rifle in the Late season, especially in the area where I hunt. Seen some monsters bowhunting but couldn't close the distance. Just with a rifle I know I will have a little more company that's all. And we all know if we get off the roads we will have allot less. Either way those whitetails will survive.
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I see there are several people on this post that understand conservation and some that don't. Its not about being able to go in and be able to shoot a giant. I like to harvest a mature animal just as much as anyone. I pass 30-40 bucks a year with my bow before I take one usually. But I also put in the time. This post has nothing to do with archers against rifle hunters, both types of deer hunting take place in my house. Convenience purposes you would think I would want a late rifle season (I live in the unit) so I wouldn't have to take my wife and dad to another unit to hunt. It comes down to the fact that the animals in 101 are a different class animal in any other whitetail unit in the state, look at the percent of animals taken that are 4 point plus. You can campare the number of animals to the Deer Park or Chewella area, the numbers may be the same, the quality isn't even close. They would be very vulnerable in the rut in this unit. I've had an ongoing biology class project over the last 5 years and had a senior do a his senior project on rutting activity along with buck to doe ratios and we have found that the animals do peak out about 3 days earlier in 101 than 124 making the last 3 days of the season in 101 much more vulnerable than say the animals in 124. One of our major resources for that project is trail cameras over large bait piles and buck to doe ratios. Most of the project ahs taken place on large blocks of private land. There is a lot more to it but that is one way the students get there counts (but that is another post). Another reason that the harvest rates are lower for general rifle season is because the mountains in 101 are very steep and there are not a lot of roads making access harder. This allows for quality animals, they area able to become mature and make it to that 5th or 6th year. In the rut the whitetail bucks move down slope in 101 out into the open around the fields to find the doe's. Like I've stated earlier I can drive from Curlew to Republic that time of year and see at least 5 nice bucks. Bow hunters can't touch them because of the open terrain that there in, rifle hunters the game would be over. I still firmly believe that it would be a bad idea. I would rather see the rut shut down for everyone than have the genetics of this herd be damaged.
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Good post teacherman, people just dont get it, It will be a slaughter, when you have seen a unit just as this unit opened up years ago to a late rut rifle hunt it was a slaughter, I SAW it, its where I lived, its still not the same to this day. This state does nothing whatsoever for trophy whitetail management, this was the last remaining unit in the state, this is it.Why cant they leave it alone? I am buying a rifle tag this season and so is my dad and alot of my buddys if this goes into effect, we are all bow hunters. There is going to be a flood of hunters to this unit.
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Yeah, I wondered the same thing. Shane, you think it's so terrible and all the deer will be wiped out, yet you want to be a part of it? :dunno:
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What I am saying there is a ton of archers that I know who will trade in there bows this year to hunt this unit in the late, we know whats up there, like teacher said. its open you see bucks from afar, means nothing with a bow, rifle in hand its game over. There will be a frenzy of people hunting this unit in the late
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I will be against it and trying to keep it closed, but if it opens we are all going rifle, why not?? its open its open, sure as hell not going up and bowhunting it after the rifle season, will never bowhunt that unit again if it does open, that was the whole point of driving 2 hours to this unit, it was the last little whitetail gem in the state, that was the attractive part of this unit and hunt.
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not anwsering to you, have you ever even been to the unit? probaly not
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you dont get it, its okay :chuckle:
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nothing to do with hipocrit at all, if it opens for rifle we are hunting it for rifle, is that to too much for you to understand? guess so
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What he means is that he doesn't want them to open it up for late rifle. But if they are going to why not go up there and try to take a good buck before they all get killed. Its like if they opened all of the yakima units up to any bull for rifle hunters, do you think I would be up there trying to shoot a big bull? Heck ya I would. One or two people isn't going to make a differnce it will still be a slaughter.
He doesn't sound like a hypocrite to me. He just wants to get a chance at the deer up there before they are all gone. :twocents:
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I was just thinking...do you guys suppose they could be doing this to reduce competition between whitetails and mule deer?
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:yeah:
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I was just thinking...do you guys suppose they could be doing this to reduce competition between whitetails and mule deer?
Never crossed my mind , isnt it obvious that they dont manage the animals ? They manage the hunters . There is no rhym or reason ....
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Bobcat,
You read my mind! I was thinking the same question. But for the state to take what appears to be a drastic step for the sake of muleys would mean that this state actually is CONCERNED with their condition!
We know this is not the case, I don't live there but Teacherman might be able to fill us in on the muley condition a little better.
I believe its about hunter dispersement, trying to spread us all out.
There was an old timer at the sportman show last week, he had the NO.1 Non typical archery whitetail from Ferry Co., he said he has taken 3 in a row that size from his tree stand on FS ground, he said his hunting buddy took one last year that grossed over 200 INCHES!!!!! I have no reason not to believe him, he was a real nice guy about 70 years old.
If its open I will be up there for the rifle season, I have a few areas worth trying NW and SE of Republic, if the cancel the hunt I will stick close to town and try for a blacky.
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The whitetail and the mule deer don't spend much time together in this unit. You have the resident deer that stay low year round but the mule deer actually winter much higher than the whitetail deer. They are up around Vulcan and White mountain as we speak in very large herds protected on either private land and or gated land. The whitetail are on the Valley floor. Come spring time most of the mature whitetail bucks start to move to higher elevations but they stop at about he 3500-3800 foot level. Good tip for hunting this county. The mule deer move above that level. The top of Boulder pass is 4600' I've seen whitetail up at that level but its not the norm. The majority of the mule deer spend there time from 4500' - 7500' (Sherman Peak 7600+')I've never seen a mature mule deer and a whitetail in the same area. So yes there are times when they cross paths but its not the norm. You could skew the data really easy if you looked at the deer that are located at 2000' in January and the deer that are located at 2000' in June. They just don't spend much time together. Someone that just drives across the county may not think this because they really only get a perception of the local deer that don't move. They are not the norm it terms of the population.
As for 200" bucks in the county, they are here trust me on that one. No I will not share my pics :chuckle: Give me time I will get one, with a bow... ;)
In regards to some of the comments on this post, I think we may have a anti among us or just a 12 year old that knows everything. Hopefully in time they will learn the purpose of a sportsman is to be a conservationist and preserve what we have for future generations.
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Closely guarded family secrets, I totally understand1 :chuckle:
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bow hunters have been spoiled with general season rut hunts i know the success rate is poor but they still harvest a lot of trophy animals i believe all rut hunts should be draw only limit the numbers and all hunting methods can get a crack
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Think about that statement. Bow hunters only get one unit during the rut rifle hunters get 105-124. Has nothing to do with being spoiled. The reason that 101 is a trophy unit is because rifle hunters haven't been able to hunt in it. Nothing against rifle hunters, I hunted rifle this year, I killd a nice buck in the rut, I realize how easy it is.
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Now that I have thought about it a little, I say bring it on. I don't hunt until the last week of late archery and I doubt if the rifle hunters will do much more than push the big bucks farther back into where I hunt. Besides, most of the hunters that are looking for an easy rut hunt won't be getting out of their rigs in the cold except to piss.
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My thoughts exactly PB! :chuckle:
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Thats so true :chuckle: I have been in the woods so many times and had people drive buy talking so loud and listening to the radio that I can hear them 200 yds. into the woods. Oh and of course they never see you up in the woods. Makes you think... :chuckle: All said and done PolarBear you are correct I will still get a nice deer next year, but I (personally) still think it will have an impact. My biggest buck was shot on the 19th in 101, but it wasn't on the road either.
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Think about that statement. Bow hunters only get one unit during the rut rifle hunters get 105-124. Has nothing to do with being spoiled. The reason that 101 is a trophy unit is because rifle hunters haven't been able to hunt in it. Nothing against rifle hunters, I hunted rifle this year, I killd a nice buck in the rut, I realize how easy it is.
The rut doesn't even hardly start until the last day of the rifle season. It's always been that way. Bowhunters are allowed to hunt in the same units rifle hunters have already hunted in, and routinely take nice bucks. I really don't think it will have as much of an impact as people are thinking
You guys do have a point about the silly road hunters though. :p
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The mulies will be rutting but the whities seem to start just before Thanksgiving. They wont be all horned up for the rifle hunt. I wonder how many big, rutting mule bucks will be shot because of temptation or misidentification?
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I thought the same thing...I've seen some pigs!!!!!!!! that time of year. Coming back over Boulder this year on our way back from 105 on the 12th of Nov we saw a FREAK of a buck standing in the road could care less about us. Not to many times you can get within 20 FEET of a true mature monster mule deer. The funny part my camera was sitting between the seats and I was so amazed by the animal I forgot it was even there. :chuckle:
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In regards to some of the comments on this post, I think we may have a anti among us or just a 12 year old that knows everything. Hopefully in time they will learn the purpose of a sportsman is to be a conservationist and preserve what we have for future generations.
I agree! Time to just ignore a certain few no-it-all posters.
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BoneIt, I have been following each post on this forum and its becoming very clear that you are intent on stiring the pot at every opportunity. Please try and contribute something positive as its getting rather monotonous, thanks.
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Hunting in 101 won't be destroyed with a later rifle hunt. But that's an argument that can be made for having a late whitetail hunt in all the units from 101 to the cascade crest. I think it's clear that the Dept isn't trying to stimulate mule deer by depressing whitetails or they would have made a B tag any whitetail out of the Methow. No one is going to eradicate the whitetails.
But, it's fair to say that some of 101 has more open ground and blocky access. What can happen with this hunt is a reduction in quality and hunters creating pressure where it never was historically potentially moving some of those deer archers have been chasing for a long time to private. The fact is that deer will survive and thrive in the 101 even with a late season but the overall quality and experience of the later archers will diminish. It's a battler between 2 separate user groups: Archers/Rifle, QM/Opportunity.
Everyone knows I tend to favor opportunity, but there are late opps now and I while this would improve distribution I don't think every single place that can sustain a late rifle hunt should necessarily have one but I don't have a reasonable measure by which to say which should/should not. In the end the game are a resource and lots of people don't mind chasing average deer.
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After reading every post in this thread, I’ve came to the conclusion that about 95% of the comments concerning the 101 area are how it affects the author personally.( whining in some cases). It seems to me that the contributors need to band together and promote the responsible utilization of this precious resource, and curb the childish attitude of I’ll fill my bag and the he-- with the rest of you. I have never hunted in this area and never intend too, but we have all seen the results of over utilization and then a hard winter or two. Hunting is a sport where a major part is the anticipation of seeing a large mature animal and matching wits with this animal, so don’t overuse this precious resource solely for personal gratification , ON A ONE TIME BASIS.
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AMEN to that No Bull!!!!!
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Hunting is a sport where a major part is the anticipation of seeing a large mature animal and...
That's the problem bull. In fact there is major disagreement about your premise. Surveys show that far more people are concerned with hunting opportunity rather than "mature" animals. People on hunting message boards tend to lien QM but they aren't the masses. They'd rather have decent odds at any buck than reduce opportunity but have more "mature" animals less frequently. There is no "we" in this respect in hunting there are decidedly opposed user groups both in quality and weapon type. Fact is that 101 or any other unit for that matter can be managed either way, just not both. Either QM limited late opportunity or max opportunity but reduced quality. They're equally valid, just diametrically opposed.
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I guess only time will tell, yes I've kept pretty good tabs on this post. Sorry if you think that I've been "whining" from my point I don't think I've been whining, I just feel really frustrated because I live in the area so some whining may have come out. Not on purpose, sorry for that :chuckle: Overall there isn't much that I can do. But Colville does some it up nicely when he stated that there are two types of hunts/hunting areas: QM areas, a better chance at getting a mature deer, not as many taken and areas that you have high success rates, few mature animals. The conservation side of me wants quality. I live in the area so I see these animals all the time and I know where to hunt. I can see where someone that only gets to spend 4 days a year in the field would just like to see an animal that they can shoot. I grew up in Auburn and I remember as a kid getting really excited seeing and harvesting a spike or any non-mature animal. I would rather let those animals go now and look for that mature animal, to me it's taking it to the next level and I have the time.
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Good post Colville, certainly the truth that not all are "TROPHY" minded when it comes to hunting deer. Some tend to forget that for most hunters its about time with family, spent in a place they cherish and are happy to just get a deer.
Already looking forward to this fall! :)
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First off, I didn’t mean that you “TeacherMan” had and exclusive on the whining, far from it. Good or bad, you have managed to bring a lot of attention to this issue but that’s your business.
“Colville” has made some good points and a strong argument for just opening 101 up and letting everyone have at it.( I really doubt that this is what he really would like to see.) If that were to happen what kind of game management would that be?
So, you see, we really get back to the people in charge of managing “our” game and ultimately us. The way I see it, as far as the Game Dept. Management is concerned, it comes down to the risk being placed upon a irreplaceable resource versus the dollars it might bring to the states coffers. After all, doesn’t this money go to the general fund?
Just maybe in looking at the consumers of the hunting experience, us , young and old; we need to teach and instill in others that instant success and the gratification that may come with that success, in most cases, is not always the best policy. With that said I standby my personal conviction of the true reward of hunting and will do what is necessary to help preserve it. Don’t get me wrong, I do believe in using this resource in a fair and equitable manner with minimum impact so as to maintain a quality hunting experience. No Bull
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GMU 101 Late Season Rifle Hunt........"So easy, a Yakima Indian could do it!!!" LMAO :sas:
Thats funny stuff remington!
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some of you fellows amaze me!this is exactly why we get nothing accomplished in this state and the clockums get everything they want!they stick together!something apparently we forgot about how to do a long time ago.the only thing it seems we care about any more is what benefits us at the moment even if it hurts our neighbor.(if you forgot neighbor being all hunters in general regardless of weapon!)since ive been checking things out on this site ive come to the conclusion that the majority of you are bowhunters and care only about yourselves.or maybe you do not understand how bad it would hurt you if all the modern guys spoke their minds.and im sure the modern guys could share plenty of stories about arrowed deer!
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since ive been checking things out on this site ive come to the conclusion that the majority of you are bowhunters and care only about yourselves.
I think you should check things out a little longer, I believe there are far more modern hunters on here than archery. Purhaps the archery guys voice their opinions more often :dunno:
Welcome to the site :hello:
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I think the archery hunters were voicing their opinions more because it was the archery seasons that were shortened, or eliminated. Muzzleloader and modern firearm didn't change much so not as much to complain about. My only real complaint is that they want to close public land in August to bear hunting. :bash:
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I think the archery hunters were voicing their opinions more because it was the archery seasons that were shortened, or eliminated. Muzzleloader and modern firearm didn't change much so not as much to complain about.
+1
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Sherman is a very large area, and some of the ruffest country up north. Because of this very topic posted here, a lot of hunters will think it's a pice of cake hunt and that there is a trophy buck behind every bush in 101. I say, good job of pointing this out for all to see. :bash: But I for one, thank you for posting it, because this will ease the pressure in Stevens Co. for the late buck hunt. And this will give those bucks a break for once. :chuckle:
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And this will give those bucks a break for once. :chuckle:
In theory that might be but I think there will be a bunch of archery guys that are on the fence that will jump back to rifle, i am sure there is going to be a few thousand that will go rifle instead of bow . Most guys hunting is about tradition so do you think hunters will leave there old stomping grounds of stevens to go to ferry :dunno:.
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Archery hunters won't change for this, archery hunters hunt archery because it becomes a life style. But more rifle hunters will go up there.
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Archery hunters won't change for this, archery hunters hunt archery because it becomes a life style. But more rifle hunters will go up there.
keep thinking that ;) there is a bunch of rifle guys that switched over because of the longer seasons, better hunts.
All i know is Archery whitetails in 101 will be a joke if this happens, you think there spooky now, wait tell the pumpkin army gets done chaseing them around in the general plus a late season.
It is very hard for me to even comment about this i am so pi$$ed
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From what I have gathered on here, most archery hunters are 1-4 miles from the nearest road :chuckle: so when the army of pumpkins arrive in their lifted chevy crew cabs all their going to do is kill the stupid little bucks that are to dumb to know better than to live next to the roads, since we all know the pumpkin patch don't leave their rigs! :chuckle:
By the way I drive a Ford, and its not lifted. ;)
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By the way I drive a Ford, and its not lifted. ;)
I knew I liked you finnman :tup:
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By the way I drive a Ford, and its not lifted. ;)
I knew I liked you finnman :tup:
:rockin:
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Unfortuneatly I love this unit for late archery hunting. I have been hunting this unit forever... The thing I have seen especially in the last couple years is less deer do to predators. Bears, cougars coyotes and wolves. There has been a real incline in the amount of predators especially the last three mentioned. If predators are not controlled the deer if not killed off will leave areas that has large amounts of predators in them. Now if you open this area to a late modern season it will devastate it. I know for one if this passes I will be looking for a new archery unit as there will be no point in going into this unit.
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You could also argue that with the addition of a late lead-spitter season, there would be added opportunity for some of these guys to tag a Tom cat or coyote. I don't think bear season goes to Nov. 7? I know I will be looking for one if I am up there!
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I looked and its the 15th!!! :P
It will be a combo bambi-BooBo hunt! :IBCOOL:
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been hunting this unit since 68, I believe between the predators mainly courgars(no dog hunting like the old days) long indian season,and bag limit(who counts) in ferry county, this area has been doomed for some time now.
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And then you have the "locals" season which starts around Thanksgiving and runs until the end of the year.
